3 weeks in the alps

Pic related is my itinerary. Euro bros, is this doable?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's your budget holy shit. I'm swiss and would never go to these places because of the price. I went once in Zermatt as a kid because my grandma paid for it actually and it felt like a resort for billionaires.
    Be prepared to be only amongst rich, old chinese and russian tourists.

    That seems extremely doable, now that depends on how much hiking you want to do. Also jet lag can be rough when going east so first days might not be that enjoyable.
    The traveling itself is ultra comfy and panoramic in Switzerland so I wouldn't worry about too much of it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Greetings swiss bro. I don't really have a budget, but after looking at prices im expecting to spend ~$3k USD on hotels/airbnb.

      I was worried about this being possibly too much travel, but the trains don't seem too bad. Not really looking forward to having to fly from zurich to venice but there is no other good way to get to the dolomites.

      I plan on doing alot of hiking for sure which is mostly why I am doing this trip.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        3k usd in total for those places means staying in poverty. Great airbnbs start from 300 a night, luxury ones (not needed of course) are 1k+

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want the true wealthy Swiss experience you need to also go to St. Moritz and Gstaad.
    The former is better, has more to do and is very classy. Dress well and be prepared to spend to be included in the best places

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >St. Moritz
      >Classy
      Snort. I see what you did there.

      Gstaad’s OK, though.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was in Zermatt last winter for the first time. I stayed for 5 nights. The views are insane. Word of warning though, the food and the bars were fricking expensive, even compared to the high southern California prices that I'm used to paying. Beers were 9 Euro. A wienertail was 17. When we went out for dinner in Zermatt, we never had a bill that was less than 120 for 2 people and my wife eats salads. If you don't want to spend a ton, you absolutely want an Airbnb with a kitchen and a fridge so you can do some cooking. Also, get the Swiss rail pass. We didn't, but it would have saved us a ton on trains and gondolas.

    I would say that after you see Zermatt and Wengen, that the Dolomites are going to seem a lot less impressive. Have you ever done Italy? If I were you, I'd go to Verona, Florence and Rome instead. Frick Paris. Go to Rome and fly home from there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've already done verona, florence, rome. The focus of this trip is the Alps. I just enjoy Paris.

      Do you think the dolomites are not worth the hassle to get to after french/swiss Alps? Would doing the Austrian alps instead be better?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I recommend you to go overland from Wengen to Dolomiti.
    You can take the train, but seeing that your visit is in July, why not rent a car and enjoy the mountain roads?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a good train route? From my research it seems like I have to hop 10 different trains to get to the dolomites from Wengen.

      I plan on renting a car when i fly into Venice as the train system in the dolomites is shit compared to the swiss alps.

      What are you gonna do there? If you just hike it's gonna be cheap, you can stay at older cheap hotels for a 100 a night and eat from grocery stores for 30 a day.

      Pretty much hike and outdoors stuff. Going with my gf so I don't want to absolutely rough it, nor do I need to.

      3k usd in total for those places means staying in poverty. Great airbnbs start from 300 a night, luxury ones (not needed of course) are 1k+

      Ok, I really meant $4k - $5k probably

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are you gonna do there? If you just hike it's gonna be cheap, you can stay at older cheap hotels for a 100 a night and eat from grocery stores for 30 a day.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Revised itinerary. Thoughts?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Since you're already going to be in Zurich, why not take the train up the Rhine and do a couple stops along the way. You could Basel, Colmar, Strasbourg and Heidelberg and then take the train to Paris. Or some combination of those stops.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not a bad Idea, I will take a look.

        >Paris

        Revise that budget up again, my man. You're there for the opening weekend of the Olympics.

        lmao, shit. I didn't realize that. Not sure if this makes Paris better or worse. Definitely more crowded. Might be fun buying to tickets to an event. I'll have to see if I even want to touch Paris during this time.

        This is solid, you'll be almost constantly in epic surroundings, especially with train rides in between.
        As other said you really need to be prepared to spend a lot, even if you find solutions to save like cooking yourself and avoid paid attractions.

        Train from Chamonix to Zermatt will be 91CHF, so that's 107$ each for a 4 hours train ride.

        I wouldn't stay in Chamonix, it's only good in winter if you ski, but it's not a nice city, it's like a little Paris, it's not quaint at all.

        Lots of hikes from there for all levels though and july is a good time.

        This is the itinerary I am currently playing with. Higlighted section is up for revision.

        I guess my biggest question is dolomites or Sardinia after 10 days in the french/swiss alps? Will it feel monotonous? Is it worth the travel to get there? I wish I could do it without renting a car, but the travel required to get to Ortisei without a flight to venice/munich and renting a car is a solid 8-9hr event with alot of transfers.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          forgot pic

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sardinia is pretty good, for hiking and beaches. The nature is different from the alps unlike the dolomites. Though mind you in july 2023 it was on 48°C there, so that's the risk you take.
          Why going to Paris in the first place? Apart from the flight connection. I'd stay just one day after getting tired from all the scam artists.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The idea of Sardinia is that a beach might be nice after 10 days hiking in the mountains.

            Paris is on there just because I like it. Stay away from the Black person neighborhoods and I find it to be nice.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Not sure if this makes Paris better or worse. Definitely more crowded.

          Probably a little bit more crowded but if it's like London 2012, you'll only really notice in the hotel prices. The city is big enough to keep things spread out

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Paris

      Revise that budget up again, my man. You're there for the opening weekend of the Olympics.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is solid, you'll be almost constantly in epic surroundings, especially with train rides in between.
      As other said you really need to be prepared to spend a lot, even if you find solutions to save like cooking yourself and avoid paid attractions.

      Train from Chamonix to Zermatt will be 91CHF, so that's 107$ each for a 4 hours train ride.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’d also try to visit Lauterbrunnen and Grindelwald since you’re in the Wengen area. Also, Interlaken is also good

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's the plan, Wengen is just the base for that area.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't stay in Chamonix, it's only good in winter if you ski, but it's not a nice city, it's like a little Paris, it's not quaint at all.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of hikes from there for all levels though and july is a good time.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The anti-Chamonix anon had me thinking and I might have solved my Dolomites hang up. New itinerary is to skip Chamonix and Paris which would give me time for Dolomites.

    What do you bros think?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >swap Zermatt and Wengen
      >take the train Zermatt-Brig-Milano
      >rent a car in Milano, drive to Dolomites
      >drive back to Milano, take plane from MXP or LIN to Sardinia
      >fly back from Sardinia

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good insights, I made those changes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But you said you enjoyed Paris. Do add something just purely for fun. I mean I personally hate Paris, but I think for travelers from the USA with your budget it's almost an unwritten rule to fly out of Milan or Paris or Rome to buy a luxury bag for our cheaper euro prices with tax returns right before you go back to the USA (where those luxury bags are at least 20% more expensive if they're available). I don't know if you or your girlfriend is into that shit, but word of warning, you probably won't find a good Loewe or whatever store on Sardinia as you fly out (they might have local brands with varying stock and opening times).
      I mean during the Olympics CDG is probably going to be shit anyway, so I guess I'm campaigning for a mini Rome or Milan shopping stop before you head home. Or Madrid or wherever.
      Azores is boring as frick, but it's beautiful. Idk about the rest.
      The Alps is always fun, so honestly even if you leave the itinerary as is, you'll love it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        We decided to skip Paris since the olympics is gonna change the experience a bit. I'm way more excited about the new itinerary - the Azores is in a great spot for getting back to the US. I was considering Sicily, the french riviera, or italian riviera as well. We're not really into shopping so milling about a city consuming isn't all that exciting to us.

        I'm also excited to road trip through the dolomites which I think will feel different than the swiss alps.

        >Azores is boring as frick.
        Idk how Sardinia would be any different. After 2 weeks hiking in the mountains a beach and surfing sound great.

        >Moving around all the time
        When will this meme die? When I'm on vacation I don't want to be on trains or planes or out of the bed at 6 in the morning. I want to sleep in until 10 and get a latte, not tip, have a wonderful meal, walk around somewhere pleasant to digest it, go see a show or attraction, have a dinner with wine at night time, frick my girlfriend and pass out at 2

        you can do that at home bro. With this itinerary I don't think the travel part is too much. 3 - 5 days at one spot is enough. Last time I did Europe, I was there for 6 weeks and stayed in each spot for a week. I got so restless and bored after day 2/3 after seeing the handful of museums and churches, which while beautiful, started to feel the same after the 3rd one. I guess its hard for me to appreciate the nuances but that's me.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I was considering Sicily, the french riviera, or italian riviera as well

          Busy as frick at that time. Have you considered Puglia for the beach stop? I was there same time last year and it was way less busy than Sicily and I assume Sardinia too. Sicily beaches are shit and the ones in Salento in Puglia are some of the best in Europe. Mainly Italians who holiday there but most go in August so July isn't too busy. There's plenty of stuff inland to do too and you've got cities like Bari and Lecce.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What made you go for Wengen?

    Dermatologi is great. As the other anon said, Gstaad and St. Moritz are some good old money Alp destinations.

    Consider Grindelwald or Avoriaz if you want some proper skiing without the snobs. Also, I like to stay a minimum of 5 days at each destination.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wengen looks like a good base for lauterbrunnen/grindelwald/jungfrau

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any other good options for the beach portion of the trip over Sardinia?

    I'm looking at Maidera, the Azores, and Minorca. The Azores are a nice pitstop on the way back to the US.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Moving around all the time
    When will this meme die? When I'm on vacation I don't want to be on trains or planes or out of the bed at 6 in the morning. I want to sleep in until 10 and get a latte, not tip, have a wonderful meal, walk around somewhere pleasant to digest it, go see a show or attraction, have a dinner with wine at night time, frick my girlfriend and pass out at 2

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’d skip zermatt and go to lauterbrunnen/grindelwald instead

    t.burger who did a trip across Switzerland

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Too late already booked and I’m excited to see Matterhorn. Planning to climb it one day

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well make the most of it then. I liked zermatt but it was just insanely expensive, even by Swiss standards. Little bit of a tourist trap town but seeing the Matterhorn off in the distance was cool. I don’t remember how far it is from zermatt but if it’s not far I also really enjoyed the cable car up to the hike to the lake at Kandersteg. They had a cheap alpine coaster at the top too which was neato.
        Kino

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    double austrian stay

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