That's why you time it in the morning when you are waking up and near a toilet. God-tier BMs. Imagine starting your day without at least 2 cups of coffee in your system.
Coffee makes you addicted. The longer you drink it the more addicted you become and it works like credit - you feels very good for 10-10 minutes and okay for hours then you feel drained. Same for energy drinks (i.e. coca-cola), tea.
If you consume it every morning for about 1 month and then stop you feel really terrible, like drug addicted
Melbourne if you want to see what the bleeding edge of white people coffee culture looks like. Otherwise go direct to the source, Colombia, Brazil, Ethiopia etc.
I dunno but it doesn’t seem possible that they can beat out Seattle, unless they are doing it on purpose for reasons. Every other building in Seattle is a coffee shop. It borders on silly. I’m skeptical anyone has them beat just because why the fuck would anyone have that many coffee shops
Italian immigrants came here post ww2 and shaped the coffee scene.
Famously, Starbucks came here and failed miserably. They have a small handful of outlets catering to foreign students near universities.
I was shocked when I left Australia and found out non-American countries love Starbucks - its fucking disgusting garbage
Starbucks used to be good but is now garbage. The story goes that as they grew they were no longer able to keep up the quality of the beans because there just aren’t that many good quality beans in the world. I don’t know or care if that’s why, but they do indeed suck now. I live in the pnw, and when I go to Europe the food tends to be on average better, the wine better, but the coffee is shit imo. It’s the only real food/beverage downgrade going from America-Europe. I should say though that maybe this only applies to the Pacific Northwest, there’s coffee places everywhere here. I’ve been elsewhere in the US but haven’t really explored the coffee situation
oh look, a retard who's never left Kansas yet for some reason feels the need to post on a travel board. That cost no more than $7 you fucking asshole. Only in Cafe Central is what you say true.
"A fool and his money are soon parted"
Nouveau-riche flexing of 'wealth' spending on frivolities is the quickest way to end up back in the poorhouse
So that Sacher-Torte better be really fucking good, is what I'm saying
Things have gotten better, but the standard coffee you'd get in Vienna could be really terrible. Even in the bigger Kaffeehäuser. Now you have all the specialty roasteries, but those are more of a newer development that followed international trends.
To be honest I think you will find the best, most consistently good coffee in Italy. You could go to a gas station and get an excellent espresso.
Finland had a period of prohibion and that of course spiked the use of coffee. It is a huge cultural thing too, I can't imagine Finland without people drinking this much of the stuff. The whole culture would be completely different, it is that ingrained in the Finnish life. I am an events manager / team leader for large events where I have to be responsible for organising the movement and work of teams up to 100 people and I have said on multiple occasions that my most important task on the job is to make sure the coffee never runs out.
I have to add to my post one thing I forgot to mention, Finland drinks by most the worst coffee in all of western Europe. In here it is quantity over quality. As long as it's hot, strong and caffeinated Finn's will slurp up any black tar coffee offered rather than to be left without it.
Vienna for elegant coffee with old-school service.
Italy for classic style coffees of all sorts, nothing over the top but quite consistent.
But in my very own experience, Spain has surprisingly great coffee, especially in the countryside. I think I had the best cup of coffee with milk in the bumfuck of nowhere in Extremadura. It was that good and it only cost 1 euro.
Scandinavian coffee is a bit disappointing because it’s very watery.
It is not "fire", it's been improved and perfected elsewhere. As a Melburnian fag I was hoping to get some world-class coffee in Italy and was severely disappointed everywhere I went. The pizza too, is generally better in Melbourne, although tbf I only went to Rome, Naples and Milan.
Italy has the technique but for some reason hasn't figured out the beans. Likely because coffee is an old art to italy, but a new science to everywhere else - we spent a century perfecting the process and the machines while other aspects of good coffee have been understood only in the last decade or so
I guess it depends on what you want out of your coffee. If you want the best of modern coffee, you could probably go to Sweden, Norway, Australia, even NYC. Here you’ll probably find lighter, more acidic coffees. Italy will give you an older, more classic experience, and the coffee will be more bitter and, yes, lower quality than the other countries I mentioned
I actually really liked the old school cafes, or kissaten, in Japan. Cafe de l’ambre in Tokyo or Otafuku or Hanafusa in Kyoto come to mind. They serve darker coffees, so they probably offer something more in line with a classic cafe experience than a trendy spot in Scandinavia or Australia
What makes Vietnam such a good destination for coffee? Is what they serve there typically much better than what one can find at just about any Vietnamese restaurant? E.g., very dark coffee with condensed milk?
1. Coffee culture
2. Lots of coffee shops
3. Variety of coffee drinks and styles available
4. Cheap as fuck
Its coffee fucking heaven. No country (that I've been to) comes close. I'm curious about Colombia, Central American, Ethiopia and Indonesia though.
Also, to stay on topic, I really liked the coffee in northern Vietnam. Thailand coffee sucked
Thailand is a surprising shithole for coffee. A lot of places will serve instant Nescafe shit or a sugary as fuck black coffee. I unironically think westoids with their sugary calorie filled habits ruined whatever coffee culture Thailand had.
If you go to a local boutique coffee shop in Medellín, Bogota, etc. you'll get phenomenal coffee for around $3. Otherwise you'll struggle to find a decent cup. They export most of the good quality beans abroad, so most Colombians drink a shitty, watered down espresso (forget what they call it). If you can, go to a coffee plantation and do a tour. The countryside of Colombia is breathtaking and you'll literally be drinking coffee fresh from the roaster.
Coffee is overrated beanslop.
I live in Australia which is coffee mad but I genuinely dont get the hype of one hot bitter cup of shite compared to another.
An instant coffe latte tastes just as good or better than anything ill get in a store, and it wont cost me the hipster tax to drink.
Unironically France, Italy has memed up espresso so much that they serve you an actual drop of coffee for 10x the price.
For me the best coffees are from central america but over there they tend to drink it like in the US i.e. oversized watered up sugary shit
French coffee is notorious for being absolute trash.
The only coffee culture there is there is having a cup by the counter and chitchat with locals. That’s it.
Their milk coffee (café crème) is absolutely horrendous. Even their expresso is very very mediocre at best.
Anyone that says Italy has zero clue what they're talking about and has never been to an actual country that cares about the quality and art of coffee.
Italians drink a lot of espresso in their culture, that's about it.
Anyway, obviously the answer is Australia, and Melbourne is way overhyped though.
The CBDs of Melbourne and Sydney are hyper-competitive for coffee shops and you will find many with very unique offerings, many types of single origin beans, cold drips, artisan blends, all sorts of things.
There are like 5 starbucks in Sydney and I really want to set them on fire, but unfortunately stupid tourists (probably from America) and asian uni students keep them alive.
Puerto Rico >actual coffee industry so you have local coffee literally 1-2 hrs away >roasted in the capital 15 mins from wherever you're going to be staying >shit is actually good and ranges from med-strong to petroleum tier goodness >PR coffee beans are recognized as some of the strongest and best in the world
Get down here, buy some dark roast arabica beans (or, better yet, caracolillo) and laugh at europoors who can't come close to an espresso or latte as good as one made at a literal favela tier burger owned island.
Recommend you amazon order caracolillo from Cafe Lareño or if you want maximum strength petroleum go pay the huge premium and buy a bag from Cafe Cuatro Sombras.
Coffee is as good as where and how you drink it.
A mediocre cup of coffee tastes amazing when you're sitting in sunny Salzburg and the cute late teens café maid just gave you the brightest smile when you both found yourselves staring at one another. Yes, I still have regrets about that.
MY POINT BEING, coffee is about the same everywhere, but make sure you drink it in a good location that makes you feel comfy on the inside, wether that be bringing coffee in a thermos into the forest, sipping on expensive cafe coffcoff on the street in Paris, etc etc
t. extremely comfy-oriented connosieur of cuppa coffcoff
Coffee makes you shart(in mart)
That's why you time it in the morning when you are waking up and near a toilet. God-tier BMs. Imagine starting your day without at least 2 cups of coffee in your system.
Coffee makes you addicted. The longer you drink it the more addicted you become and it works like credit - you feels very good for 10-10 minutes and okay for hours then you feel drained. Same for energy drinks (i.e. coca-cola), tea.
If you consume it every morning for about 1 month and then stop you feel really terrible, like drug addicted
Melbourne if you want to see what the bleeding edge of white people coffee culture looks like. Otherwise go direct to the source, Colombia, Brazil, Ethiopia etc.
>Melbourne has more coffee shops per person than any other city on the planet
Weird. Why is Melbourne so connected with coffee?
I dunno but it doesn’t seem possible that they can beat out Seattle, unless they are doing it on purpose for reasons. Every other building in Seattle is a coffee shop. It borders on silly. I’m skeptical anyone has them beat just because why the fuck would anyone have that many coffee shops
Italian immigrants came here post ww2 and shaped the coffee scene.
Famously, Starbucks came here and failed miserably. They have a small handful of outlets catering to foreign students near universities.
I was shocked when I left Australia and found out non-American countries love Starbucks - its fucking disgusting garbage
Starbucks used to be good but is now garbage. The story goes that as they grew they were no longer able to keep up the quality of the beans because there just aren’t that many good quality beans in the world. I don’t know or care if that’s why, but they do indeed suck now. I live in the pnw, and when I go to Europe the food tends to be on average better, the wine better, but the coffee is shit imo. It’s the only real food/beverage downgrade going from America-Europe. I should say though that maybe this only applies to the Pacific Northwest, there’s coffee places everywhere here. I’ve been elsewhere in the US but haven’t really explored the coffee situation
Vienna
>15 fucking Euros for a cup of coffee and a piece of cake
look. lmao even.
oh look, a retard who's never left Kansas yet for some reason feels the need to post on a travel board. That cost no more than $7 you fucking asshole. Only in Cafe Central is what you say true.
It literally says 15 Euros on the menu.
>Being poor
Lol
Lmao even
"A fool and his money are soon parted"
Nouveau-riche flexing of 'wealth' spending on frivolities is the quickest way to end up back in the poorhouse
So that Sacher-Torte better be really fucking good, is what I'm saying
if i'm in austria i'm getting some legit sacher-torte, don't really care how much it costs...
People who earned their money tend to be good with it, and don't overspend. It's poorfags who are bad with money.
Things have gotten better, but the standard coffee you'd get in Vienna could be really terrible. Even in the bigger Kaffeehäuser. Now you have all the specialty roasteries, but those are more of a newer development that followed international trends.
To be honest I think you will find the best, most consistently good coffee in Italy. You could go to a gas station and get an excellent espresso.
Not a great time to visit but Lviv has an amazing coffee culture
Yeah, I agree. I think the Ukrainians are kind of underrated for coffee culture. Lots of good coffee stands and cafes there.
Albania, not only is it top notch it's often less than $1
Do scandis consume a lot of coffee due to fika or is it because of how cold and dark it is there for 6-8 months?
the latter
Finland had a period of prohibion and that of course spiked the use of coffee. It is a huge cultural thing too, I can't imagine Finland without people drinking this much of the stuff. The whole culture would be completely different, it is that ingrained in the Finnish life. I am an events manager / team leader for large events where I have to be responsible for organising the movement and work of teams up to 100 people and I have said on multiple occasions that my most important task on the job is to make sure the coffee never runs out.
I have to add to my post one thing I forgot to mention, Finland drinks by most the worst coffee in all of western Europe. In here it is quantity over quality. As long as it's hot, strong and caffeinated Finn's will slurp up any black tar coffee offered rather than to be left without it.
I do it so i dont fall asleep in front of my desk, I actually dont like coffee
Vienna for elegant coffee with old-school service.
Italy for classic style coffees of all sorts, nothing over the top but quite consistent.
But in my very own experience, Spain has surprisingly great coffee, especially in the countryside. I think I had the best cup of coffee with milk in the bumfuck of nowhere in Extremadura. It was that good and it only cost 1 euro.
Scandinavian coffee is a bit disappointing because it’s very watery.
How the fuck has no one in this thread mentioned Vietnam? Its better than all the shitholes mentioned here.
Colombia second.
Easily Italy, espressos/americanos/cappuccinos can be had for a couple euros at most at any bar and it’s always fire
It is not "fire", it's been improved and perfected elsewhere. As a Melburnian fag I was hoping to get some world-class coffee in Italy and was severely disappointed everywhere I went. The pizza too, is generally better in Melbourne, although tbf I only went to Rome, Naples and Milan.
Lol coffee in fucking Melbourne is not better than Rome
this anon is retarded
Yes Italian pizza is overrated but their coffee is not
1. Vienna
2. Vienna
3. Vienna
4. Wien
Australia
Vietnam
Italy
This is the trifecta of coffee
Italian coffee is actually kinda shit
Italy has the technique but for some reason hasn't figured out the beans. Likely because coffee is an old art to italy, but a new science to everywhere else - we spent a century perfecting the process and the machines while other aspects of good coffee have been understood only in the last decade or so
VIVA KYIV
Any country. It's called a coffee machine.
Milan Italy
Melbourne
Canada. Tim hortons shits on meme coffee like “espressos”
I guess it depends on what you want out of your coffee. If you want the best of modern coffee, you could probably go to Sweden, Norway, Australia, even NYC. Here you’ll probably find lighter, more acidic coffees. Italy will give you an older, more classic experience, and the coffee will be more bitter and, yes, lower quality than the other countries I mentioned
I actually really liked the old school cafes, or kissaten, in Japan. Cafe de l’ambre in Tokyo or Otafuku or Hanafusa in Kyoto come to mind. They serve darker coffees, so they probably offer something more in line with a classic cafe experience than a trendy spot in Scandinavia or Australia
What makes Vietnam such a good destination for coffee? Is what they serve there typically much better than what one can find at just about any Vietnamese restaurant? E.g., very dark coffee with condensed milk?
1. Coffee culture
2. Lots of coffee shops
3. Variety of coffee drinks and styles available
4. Cheap as fuck
Its coffee fucking heaven. No country (that I've been to) comes close. I'm curious about Colombia, Central American, Ethiopia and Indonesia though.
Thailand is a surprising shithole for coffee. A lot of places will serve instant Nescafe shit or a sugary as fuck black coffee. I unironically think westoids with their sugary calorie filled habits ruined whatever coffee culture Thailand had.
If you go to a local boutique coffee shop in Medellín, Bogota, etc. you'll get phenomenal coffee for around $3. Otherwise you'll struggle to find a decent cup. They export most of the good quality beans abroad, so most Colombians drink a shitty, watered down espresso (forget what they call it). If you can, go to a coffee plantation and do a tour. The countryside of Colombia is breathtaking and you'll literally be drinking coffee fresh from the roaster.
Yeah, I don't see the hype for Vietnam. It's just coffee with condensed milk
You can het a coffee + sucky-sucky at discount prices
White guys are funny
Also, to stay on topic, I really liked the coffee in northern Vietnam. Thailand coffee sucked
Coffee is overrated beanslop.
I live in Australia which is coffee mad but I genuinely dont get the hype of one hot bitter cup of shite compared to another.
An instant coffe latte tastes just as good or better than anything ill get in a store, and it wont cost me the hipster tax to drink.
not a fan of Melbourne but Melbourne and Australia in general are the best in the world for coffee.
Unironically France, Italy has memed up espresso so much that they serve you an actual drop of coffee for 10x the price.
For me the best coffees are from central america but over there they tend to drink it like in the US i.e. oversized watered up sugary shit
French coffee is notorious for being absolute trash.
The only coffee culture there is there is having a cup by the counter and chitchat with locals. That’s it.
Their milk coffee (café crème) is absolutely horrendous. Even their expresso is very very mediocre at best.
Anyone that says Italy has zero clue what they're talking about and has never been to an actual country that cares about the quality and art of coffee.
Italians drink a lot of espresso in their culture, that's about it.
Anyway, obviously the answer is Australia, and Melbourne is way overhyped though.
The CBDs of Melbourne and Sydney are hyper-competitive for coffee shops and you will find many with very unique offerings, many types of single origin beans, cold drips, artisan blends, all sorts of things.
There are like 5 starbucks in Sydney and I really want to set them on fire, but unfortunately stupid tourists (probably from America) and asian uni students keep them alive.
Puerto Rico
>actual coffee industry so you have local coffee literally 1-2 hrs away
>roasted in the capital 15 mins from wherever you're going to be staying
>shit is actually good and ranges from med-strong to petroleum tier goodness
>PR coffee beans are recognized as some of the strongest and best in the world
Get down here, buy some dark roast arabica beans (or, better yet, caracolillo) and laugh at europoors who can't come close to an espresso or latte as good as one made at a literal favela tier burger owned island.
Recommend you amazon order caracolillo from Cafe Lareño or if you want maximum strength petroleum go pay the huge premium and buy a bag from Cafe Cuatro Sombras.
Of course Ethiopia is the number one, why is that even a question
Turkey
>Turkish coffee
lazy morons don't even bother to filter their coffee. no thank you, I do not want to eat coffee grounds.
It's supposed to be like that Anon. There is a coffee culture revolving around fortune telling from the ground of the coffee.
t.Turk
Meant to answer
Coffee is as good as where and how you drink it.
A mediocre cup of coffee tastes amazing when you're sitting in sunny Salzburg and the cute late teens café maid just gave you the brightest smile when you both found yourselves staring at one another. Yes, I still have regrets about that.
MY POINT BEING, coffee is about the same everywhere, but make sure you drink it in a good location that makes you feel comfy on the inside, wether that be bringing coffee in a thermos into the forest, sipping on expensive cafe coffcoff on the street in Paris, etc etc
t. extremely comfy-oriented connosieur of cuppa coffcoff
Rome and Vienna
Coffee is good for you.
coffee sucks