Im planning my first solo trip on June to Europe and I would like to visit Italy and france.
Thoughts about a 10-14 day trip combining these following places.
Milano 3-4 days
Turin 3-4 days
??? 2 days
Lyon 4 days
I would travel from city to city by only using the train. I would like to add a fourth destination to my list. I really like country side, so is there a good spot, a historic small town between Turin and Lyon to visit for few days? Something close to nature would be great. Is Chambery worth visiting in france? Any suggestions and tips are appreciated!
Chambery is ok but if I were you I'd go to Annecy
Hmmm Annecy might be a better choice. Thanks!
If you want a complete change of scenery then Nice or the surrounding towns would be a prime choice.
>is there a good spot, a historic small town between Turin and Lyon to visit for few days?
Maybe not for a few days, but if you want to detour to Chamonix you can get the lift up to Montblanc or do some hiking. Beautiful scenery if you want a lasting memory. Grenoble could also be cool if you want something closer to Lyon.
Best of luck with your trip OP.
Frick off you spamming homosexual.
Thanks for the tip. Chamonix looks beautiful.
milano->turin->aosta->chamonix(take the cart up to the mont blanc observation point if you're there)->annency->lyon.
a good mix between city and nature sightseeing
Alba is supposed to be really nice
Alba is where OP should be going instead of Turin, which is insanely boring. Its also a stone's throw from Barbaresco and endless rows of vineyards and world class wine.
you'll have a great time no matter where you go if its your first time
you will get a lot of negative comments about your city choices but i know i have enjoyed my time in all of them
Italy get pretty crowded in the summer. And none of the cities you mentioned are great summer destinations. Have you considered maybe doing Lisbon and Porto, or maybe Croatia and MonteBlack? I'd want to be somewhere with a beach.
>Milan
>Lyon
Half of your vacation is dogshit. Do this instead:
>Venice
>Verona
>Turin
>rent a car or train + busses to Annecy
or
>Fly Turin to Toulouse and daytrip/overnight in Carcassone
+1 for verona and venice. I'd add Florence to that list as well. There is literally nothing in Lyon France that can hold a fricking candle to Florence. 8V4S2
>There is literally nothing in Lyon France that can hold a fricking candle to Florence.
You wouldn't want to miss out on the diversity, would you?
I also heard that Milan isn't that good if you aren't going 100% for shopping
Whats wrong with Lyon? Ive already been to Verona and Venice. I might leave Milan from the list and replace it with Florence.
>your vacation is dogshit
hyperbole
sorry you saw a black person anon
>hurr durr you saw a black person
Milan is shit because besides the duomo and cathedral there is fricking nothing but shopping and gayshion. Lyon is shit because it doesnt compare to practically anything surrounding it. The riviera is better, annecy is better, chambery is better, toulouse is a nicer modern city imo and carcassone being closeby is a big sell. It's the same thing with Bordeaux, you're better off going to St. Emilion for both wine and atmosphere. Annecy wine is primarily why I recommend it, Cotes de Rhone Syrah and Grenache are tremendously good, much better than the fruit jammy garbage that is Australian Syrah.
Big city that pales in comparison to its surrounding small towns/small cities. There's a reason people recommended annecy instead, look up a few vids of the town and you'll see why.
+1. This guy knows what he's talking about
Thanks for the response. I was thinking about visiting lyon after a small french town.
If Verona and Venice are out then here's my recommendation:
>Fly to Milan (since you can directly land there internationally) and go directly to Turin immediately on arrival, at most spend one day for the duomo and cathedral and then GTFO
>Turin to Aosta
>Aosta to Chamonix (with a few hours to go to Mont Blanc)
>Head to Annecy
>Annecy to Lyon to fly out
Very direct route of travel, should be easy to get around and the stops are more than you could ever want. Annecy and Chamonix + Mont Blanc are the best parts of east france (excluding Colmar), hits Turin since you really want to go, Aosta is meh imo but it's not a bad stop, just a bit too small.
France is really in a particular situation where its big cities are outshined tremendously by the surrounding small towns/cities. I don't buy into the autistic >cities meme but if it's true for one country it's definitely true for France.
Thanks for the tips
Milan sucks ass, if you're not an instagramgay female influencer with father issues and a shit ton of money gained from whoring on the internet or having sex with a celebrity then it is not the city for you. There's not enough interesting stuff other than expensive shops to fill as short as 3 days of being a tourist there, you'll get bored quickly and likely will be robbed by some north african zoomer with a switchblade
First France stop from Turin would be Marseille where you could go visit the Calanques. Otherwhise you should go visit Montpellier and stay a while, nice weather, not too much peoples but pretty chill and eclectic, definitely worth the visit.
Don't bother with Grenoble.
Go to Clermont and climb the Puy de dôme it's not hard and the buses to the mountain should be running again (I went the week after they stopped and had to go up and down extra 500m of backroads and paths).