Deserting US military(theoretically)

Say theoretically a soldier in the US military wanted to desert. In your opinion including real data and facts where would be the best place to emigrate in Europe to start over, blend in, evade police(possibly become a citizen); when all you had was a US Passport and $5000.

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Portugal

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was just going to clown the theoretical deserter for having such a silly idea (most of Europe does not have its arms open for Americans who want to stay permanently regardless of their AWOL status or lack thereof), but
      actually probably makes a good point. The theoretical deserter might be able to apply for asylum in Russia and get accepted, especially if he’s not just some sad-sack private who can’t handle basic training. If he had any useful information to share I think the GRU might like to meet him.

      Not sure about nowadays, exactly—they may be on the lookout for potential spies, and might put him through the ringer for a while before helping him out. But I can see it ending well.

      Most of Russia is technically in Asia, of course, but it’s more like Europe than it is like Japan.

      Just about anywhere else I can think of, definitely-not-OP would probably need a lot more than $5K to make a decent go of it, even out East. But Albania and other Balkan countries have fairly generous visa regimes, and MonteBlack sells Europe’s cheapest passports—popular with deposed heads of state and gangsters from all over the world.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      russian's are so paranoid of cia agents they would never let ex-military vagabond in the country. foreigners stick out like a sore thumb and get picked up by the cops all of the time. you have to register with a passport to stay at hotels or rent an apartment as a foreigner, you'd never make it in russia unless you're ethnic and speak the language fluently.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good way to get fucked by glowies on both sides.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is the point in deserting? Why don't you just resign? I don't get it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why don't you just resign?
      you cant. you are contractually obligated to serve out the time left in your contract. the military process is a months long deal. While a lot of it is hype, you (or at least i was) told repeatedly that
      >YOU ARE SIGNING A CONTRACT. YOU ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO PERFORM THE DUTIES LAID OUT IN THE CONTRACT. FAILURE OR REFUSAL TO MEET THIS CONTRACT WILL RESULT IN PENALTIES!
      >now look at all the cool stuff you get to do!
      While military life isnt for everyone, those that cant, typically cant handle regular adult life either. In my experience those that cant are the type that want to sleep for 12+ hours, and play vidya all day while being less than productive. They cant understand that during your 20s, 4-6 years aint shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i had a pal that wanted to get out of the french military and he just told them he wanted to blow his cap off.
        They let him go pretty quick after that.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you cant. you are contractually obligated to serve out the time left in your contract.
        This is what they tell you, but if you tell your leadership you can't stand military life anymore and need to get out(and don't try to trick them with the suicide bullshit), unless they're pieces of shit they'll sooner or later accept it and see to you getting an early discharge.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you go AWOL your US accounts will all be locked and you will not have access to modern banking until/unless you can somehow get a fake ID and open up accounts overseas.

    You won't be able to use airports since AWOL us military soldiers are reported to interpol and other international security agencies, and if you try your passport will be confiscated and you will be detained first by airport police, then government police who will hold you until US authorities come to pick you up.

    Usually AWOL soldiers give themselves up because life becomes too difficult without access to anything if they are in the USA, and also the risk and anxiety having an open warrant for their arrest causes.

    If you absolutely wanted to disappear you would need to do so in an armpit of the world and you would need to learn the local language and get yourself a simple labor job asap to keep the cash coming and stay out of the system. You wouldn't want to do it in a big city with a functional security apratus. You are probably better off doing it in eastern europe in some weird place like Georgia or Romania.

    Your earning potential will be extremely limited, so you are probably looking at becoming some sort of criminal (you are already if you are AWOL).

    You don't need to go AWOL to get out of the military though. You can relatively easily separate from the service just by being a stupid fuckup mental case. You want to get out with anything besides a dishonorable discharge, since its basically like being a felon.

    Your easiest and safest bet is simply to fail your PT tests until they kick you out. These days its an 'other than honorable', but not a dishonorable discharge.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      can someone please explain to me why anyone would do this, I have no idea how zogbot contracts work, do you get fined into bankruptcy or something if you quit before your contract is up?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lets say you want to get out IMMEDIATELY, today.

        walk up to you commanding officer and say these words
        >sir, I feel like I want to kill myself. Can you help me?
        he will have MPs or some other guys come and watch you, and then you will be detained and placed in a psych ward under guard and watched for 24-48 hours
        you will be relieved of duty status and all responsibilities
        you will go through a gamut of tests and interviews, and you just stick to your guns and say you can't get rid of your suicidal thoughts
        they will put you on meds, if you are in a facility you might be forced to take them
        it will suck
        your life will suck for 1-2 months, but sooner or later somebody will make a decision on what to do with you, and they aren't going to let a suicidal sadsack around military equipment
        you will be separated from the military with a medical discharge, or an other than honorable if they can prove you are malingering

        going AWOL is stupid, its very stupid, you can fuck up your life forever. If you hate the military that much then just defraud it by pretending you are suicidal.

        you can't quit before your enlistment is up, if you refuse to do the job then you get sent to military prison until your contract is up, and then you are dishonorably discharged, which is a black mark like a felony for future employment and certain rights

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you can't quit before your enlistment is up, if you refuse to do the job then you get sent to military prison until your contract is up
          >you get sent to military prison until your contract is up
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHHH

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            joining any countries' army is literally signing a slavery contract

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              In the US military, generally no you will not get sent to military prison for refusing to go to work
              Exact results will vary but you'll most likely end up getting kicked out with a general or less-than-honorable(but not dishonorable, that shit is reserved for actual criminal conduct) discharge

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              the army literally gives you $35,000 to join. shut the fuck up lol

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So it is slavery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >walk up to you commanding officer and say these words
          >sir, I feel like I want to kill myself. Can you help me?
          the DOD is catching on to that. That doesnt work as well as it used to. but the order of operations is roughly
          >sent to your NCO to be talked down from the ledge
          >sent to medical officer
          >loss of job (in the navy, that means you become undesignated and are given to the BMs, a rate already viewed as bottom of the barrel, but as undesignated, you are viewed below the barrel)
          >loss of rank (preparation in case if you get a medical discharge, they wont have to pay you as much if you get out as a E-2 instead of say, and E-4)
          >stuck in a type of "Purgatory" for many months while the DOD reviews your case and determines if they want you out, or if they can use you as a sort of useful idiot for the remainder of your time(doing horrible bullshit-ass jobs that go neglected by everyone else)
          >processed out if cannot be used and given Big Chicken Dinner (if your senior NCO fought hard enough against you), or an other than honorable with a separation code that prohibits you from utilizing VA benefits.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let's say you want to game the system - what's the easiest way outside of injusy and becoming actual handicapped to enroll, boot camp and then do nothing and get out w/ full benefits?

            Cry sexual assault?
            Say you're trans?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Trans, then claim disability based on transportation and white supremacy. Milk these retards for everything so China or Russia or Mexico can conquer America and make it great again

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, Have you been to MEPS? Don’t worry, the doctors weed out retards so you’ll be fine.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hardship discharge.

              Basically you knock up a chick that refuses to raise the child or have elderly impoverished parents that need looked after or some similar thing that requires your attention which isn't feasible while you're in the service. I've heard of people getting it for having too much debt but not sure how well that works.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've heard of people getting it for having too much debt
                That is a great way to get confined to barracks and have your NCO involved in your personal finances in a way I can conservatively describe as "invasive" until you pay your shit off.

                This anon gets it

                I should, lord knows I've made enough mistakes, I better have learned some things.

                https://i.imgur.com/TZPfY13.jpg

                Say theoretically a soldier in the US military wanted to desert. In your opinion including real data and facts where would be the best place to emigrate in Europe to start over, blend in, evade police(possibly become a citizen); when all you had was a US Passport and $5000.

                I've been remiss in not addressing you directly. Let me be clear: what you are contemplating is the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas. There is no way it ends well for you. It hasn't ended well for anyone in the history of ever.

                I know the military sucks. The culture gags on hot dicks. You need to lock it the fuck up and deal with it until your ETS date. To do this, I suggest you find your light at the end of the tunnel; think about all the shit you want to do once you're out. Have something to look forward to.

                In the meantime, refrain from spending money on dumb shit and save up as much as you can. You've managed to put away $5000, which is something most junior enlisted are incapable of doing. Keep doing that.

                When you get out you can travel SEA or wherever the fuck for years if you want. Indefinitely, if your MOS has given you skills that would allow you to work remotely. You're also front of the line for many jobs. You have so much ahead of you if you don't fuck it all up... and all you have to do is what you signed up to do.

                You'll be fine. This is not the last thing you will do in your life that will be unpleasant. Trust me when I say few things are worse than regret, and there are opportunities and paths in your future that you're not even aware of yet, and they will only be open to you if you don't do something as stupid as going AWOL.

                Now, get it together, young man.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’ve seen exactly this happen. Most cases are the bottom of the barrel shitbag privates that either try this immediately or somehow evade formal punishment until becoming specialist.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              To be fair, there's not really a mature/reasonable avenue for soldiers who realize they're not cut out to be, well, soldiers. In basic I saw *a lot* of guys get pushed through that had no business being in the army. Like if a private says he's suicidal whether he means it or not, when you're barely into white phase, the answer isn't "have his peers fuck with him" and if someone isn't even out of basic and they decide they want out, maybe don't have them do bitch work for months in the hopes they'll change their mind.

              This is one of many ways the military is, shall we say, dated, and in a strange parallel of corporate America, it cares more about appearances than efficiency.

              >you cant. you are contractually obligated to serve out the time left in your contract.
              This is what they tell you, but if you tell your leadership you can't stand military life anymore and need to get out(and don't try to trick them with the suicide bullshit), unless they're pieces of shit they'll sooner or later accept it and see to you getting an early discharge.

              I have literally never seen this go well. Then again, I was in 2006-2010, so my intel is dated.

              let me guess, blackpilled by 4chan and or reading actual books? seems easier just to stick it out m8. how many years you got left? take up smoking.

              In my experience, this is the correct take; the easiest way out of the military is through it.

              It can be hard to reconcile the reality of the military with what you thought it would be. Like I was 11B (could have been anything, but I chose 11B because I was a fucking idiot) and had no clue literally everyone I would serve with would be a skoal-sucking fucktard with the depth of a puddle.

              Also, it can be hard to make peace with the epiphany that this country straight up isn't worth dying for, once said epiphany hits you. As a white fucking male I can't imagine how I'd be turning in my grave if I had died for whatever the fuck it is we've become. I don't know how anyone who did a tour in the 'stan didn't lose their shit after Biden said LOL WE'RE LEAVING after God knows how many dumb ass kids who just wanted some college money and to see the world died for what turned out to be nothing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This anon gets it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >God knows how many dumb ass kids who just wanted some college money and to see the world died for what turned out to be nothing
                The US withdrew because they knew the war couldn't be won. Every dead insurgent created 5 new ones. Would most servicemen have preferred that it had been drawn out another 20 years so another batch of young men could die in an unwinnable war?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the war couldn't be won
                It could have if we had been playing to win. We never should have been there in the first place, but since we were I'm not sure why we weren't scorched earth all the way.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If we scorched earth we would have motivated more people to join armed groups to kick us out. The press was already hot on the ass of any and all aggressive action, do you think going in guns blazing really would have been any better?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If we scorched earth we would have motivated more people to join armed groups to kick us out
                Right. Because that's totally what's happening with Russia invading a first world country. Oh wait. Nothing but virtue signaling, condemnations, sanctions that have somehow ended with the ruble being stronger, and supply drops.

                But no, you're right. We should definitely leave the drones and the ordnance on the shelf and have dudes cross their fingers and hope they survive pointless, ad nauseum """presence patrols""" for the better part of two decades, then completely shit on the memory and sacrifice of the fallen by allowing a senile, walking fever dream of a puppet president to pull out unceremoniously, hastily, and incompetently.

                Nah, I'm good. I still say we should have turned the whole region to glass, dealt with the week long uptick in hashtags and picketing gays before they move on to the next CURRENT THING they're very passionate about.

                Like I said, the correct move was never to go over there in the first place, but since we insisted on going, I wish we had taken steps to ensure that the shitstorm ended in a way that didn't involve our personnel being fired on while we were leaving, with zero fear of reprisal, and nothing accomplished except our strength, reputation, and frame significantly compromised, likelihood beyond repair.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We learned from Vietnam. The media can swing elections and end wars, even if the information they spread is completely false. Glassing Arabs wouldn’t have done anything weaken our standing in the Mideast. It’s unfortunate that we fought for nothing, and ya, the withdrawal was a complete failure, but I don’t know how you can say going full hooah and committing a few more war crimes would have done any of our fallen justice or put our nation in any better of a position than it is now.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't know how anyone who did a tour in the 'stan didn't lose their shit after Biden said LOL WE'RE LEAVING after God knows how many dumb ass kids who just wanted some college money and to see the world died for what turned out to be nothing.

                Bro they literally sent out emails asking people to please not kill themselves just because you wasted 4 years of your life in the sandbox for nothing.

                Afghanistan I think had one of the lowest fatality rates of any US engagement though considering how long it lasted, Vietnam killed 10 times as many of our guys in half the time.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Bro they literally sent out emails asking people to please not kill themselves
                Lmao wtf, is this true?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, with the suicide hotline number and everything
                https://www.va.gov/minneapolis-health-care/stories/letter-from-the-director-about-afghanistan/

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've heard of people getting it for having too much debt
                That is a great way to get confined to barracks and have your NCO involved in your personal finances in a way I can conservatively describe as "invasive" until you pay your shit off.

                [...]
                I should, lord knows I've made enough mistakes, I better have learned some things.

                [...]
                I've been remiss in not addressing you directly. Let me be clear: what you are contemplating is the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas. There is no way it ends well for you. It hasn't ended well for anyone in the history of ever.

                I know the military sucks. The culture gags on hot dicks. You need to lock it the fuck up and deal with it until your ETS date. To do this, I suggest you find your light at the end of the tunnel; think about all the shit you want to do once you're out. Have something to look forward to.

                In the meantime, refrain from spending money on dumb shit and save up as much as you can. You've managed to put away $5000, which is something most junior enlisted are incapable of doing. Keep doing that.

                When you get out you can travel SEA or wherever the fuck for years if you want. Indefinitely, if your MOS has given you skills that would allow you to work remotely. You're also front of the line for many jobs. You have so much ahead of you if you don't fuck it all up... and all you have to do is what you signed up to do.

                You'll be fine. This is not the last thing you will do in your life that will be unpleasant. Trust me when I say few things are worse than regret, and there are opportunities and paths in your future that you're not even aware of yet, and they will only be open to you if you don't do something as stupid as going AWOL.

                Now, get it together, young man.

                People who say "the fastest way out of the military is to finish" are liars trying to gaslight you. I joined the Navy last year because I was in a place of abyssal self worth and was unable to find a job despite a college degree. Got a 99 on the ASVAB, signed on as an E3 nuke, they wanted me bad. Got to boot camp, did the calculations on what I was getting paid relative to effort, immediately realized I wasn't a robot and that I was better than that shit and decided to stand up for myself. So when it got time for them to give me my shots I just politely declined. They couldn't process me and they couldn't jail me for refusing medical treatment. They did, however, insult me, lie to me about the separations process, threaten me with a DD and prison time, tell me I'd never find employment, etc. etc. They said I'd be sitting in limbo for months. In reality the separations process took 2 weeks and it was the chillest fucking place on base, we spent all day watching ATLA and reading GoT and eating the same food as everyone else. We called ourselves SEAL Team SEPS. We got to shower as much as we wanted. And I got paid for it. Now I'm out and working a job worth my time, living on my own and breathing free air. No DD, in fact we were all told that not a single one of us would be getting a DD. We all got an "entry level separation" which is basically like never serving at all. Fuck the military and anyone who supports it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That sounds great, but I’ve never seen a transition that smooth in the army. It seems much more stressful, and is a lot more elongated than what you were being told would happen to you. I’ve seen psych-separation people stand in limbo for multiple years, just to get a general or other than honorable discharge, all while being treated like absolute shit in the process. It seems like the Navy and your unit are better at these things than the army and it’s units are.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its a lot easier if you haven't been in the military long (less than 6 months) They know that a certain percent of people aren't cut out for it and that will manifest itself within that period and they would rather get rid of those people lest they cause further problems.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I knew AIT kids that had been there for two years in limbo. Could you imagine dealing with drill sergeants for two years? If they weren’t crazy before, they will be after.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Actually what I heard while in SEPS was that the navy is actually one of the worse branches for processing people out. It mostly depends on how you go. Going the kms route is not ideal because then they *do* put you in limbo while they try to work out whether they can get sued or not. The military wants to avoid responsibility at all costs, so you want to craft a situation that squarely puts the blame on you but also renders you unusable to them. e.g. medical noncompliance. Another key is to remain as peaceful and passive as possible, pissing people off will only slow you down. But be firm. They will try to "compromise" with you, they'll say "just give it a few more months". This is how they get you past deadlines into zones of no retreat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm in a similar boat as you were anon. I'm joining the air force though. However, I think the navy is a much different experience and the point isn't the pay if you have a decent MOS. The idea is to get some skills, unfuck your shit, and have decent options and the GI Bill/VA home loan when you get out. Definitely not for everyone though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you go AWOL your US accounts will all be locked and you will not have access to modern banking until/unless you can somehow get a fake ID and open up accounts overseas.

          You won't be able to use airports since AWOL us military soldiers are reported to interpol and other international security agencies, and if you try your passport will be confiscated and you will be detained first by airport police, then government police who will hold you until US authorities come to pick you up.

          Usually AWOL soldiers give themselves up because life becomes too difficult without access to anything if they are in the USA, and also the risk and anxiety having an open warrant for their arrest causes.

          If you absolutely wanted to disappear you would need to do so in an armpit of the world and you would need to learn the local language and get yourself a simple labor job asap to keep the cash coming and stay out of the system. You wouldn't want to do it in a big city with a functional security apratus. You are probably better off doing it in eastern europe in some weird place like Georgia or Romania.

          Your earning potential will be extremely limited, so you are probably looking at becoming some sort of criminal (you are already if you are AWOL).

          You don't need to go AWOL to get out of the military though. You can relatively easily separate from the service just by being a stupid fuckup mental case. You want to get out with anything besides a dishonorable discharge, since its basically like being a felon.

          Your easiest and safest bet is simply to fail your PT tests until they kick you out. These days its an 'other than honorable', but not a dishonorable discharge.

          All true but to get a full dishonorable discharge in the modern military you need to commit a horrible crime (rape, murder, treason, espionage etc). You don't get one for being a dumb kid who goes AWOL or refuses to work unless you do that in the middle of a firefight while your comrades are being killed or something. 9% of US military discharges are less than honorable but only 0.08% are dishonorable. When I was in the Navy I saw people get busted for major felonies (car theft, home invasion, drug dealing etc) and they got kicked out but it was at worst a BCD and sometimes and OTH. If you just stop working worst case scenario they'd write you off as a mentally ill weirdo and OTH you out as quickly as possible. In fact you'll probably just get a general if you haven't been there long. All they care about is slapping that RE-4 code on your paperwork so they never have to worry about you again. No one wants to go through all te paperwork and hassle of a BCD (much less a DD) some depressed kid that just doesn't want to be there. OP shouldn't worry about that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >reasonable response from a ex sailor
            >0 replies
            ishygddt

            there's not going to be a way in the next 4 years. just finish your contract and live off the GI bill gibs. it's not that hard to clean toilets at ft. hood for $40k a year.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The suicidal method is pretty close to how i got medically retired at 21 years old after only being in for 2 years with 70% va disability, op is a retard for not seeing any other option other than just lulgoawol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How did u get discharged? Ptsd?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Major depressive disorder, it makes you undeployable and technically being undeployable makes you unable to be in the military any more so i was medically retired

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you pretend you had it? Or you really have it?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There’s no difference

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I really had it and was suicidal because i felt trapped and there was nothing in ttavel distance from my base, im completely fine now that im older and out of the military but like the other anon said it doesnt really matter if youre just pretending since the method will still work to get you medically discharged or retired

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lemme guess... twentynine palms?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nope, was air force in the middle of nowhere, and despite it being an easy job i hated feeling young and trapped in a 6 year enlistment with no way out surrounded by idiots

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lol no. This is all in theory, and most of it is just not even protocol. In reality, if you don't show up, you get marked AWOL, and that's it. No more paperwork is done.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have actually deserted the US military. I was in the Army. They're not going to lock your accounts and send interpol after you. That's bullshit. Call these guys and discuss your options with people who actually know what they're talking about: eight seven seven dash four four seven dash four four eight seven / girightshotline dot org

    I only know of one place in the world where you can legally immigrate and attain permanent residence with just $5k and a US passport. It's Paraguay.

    If you do want to hang out in Europe for a while, Georgia will let you stay there for a year without a visa, and they don't have an extradition treaty with the US. Albania also will let you stay for a year without a visa. They do have an extradition treaty, but I wouldn't worry about it.

    Staying someplace as a tourist doesn't give you the right to work there, but if you could find a US remote job, you could support yourself. If you want to stay abroad longer, you best bet will be to find a nice local guy/girl and get married.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i dunno bro just leave?
    what are you even complaining about?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just j9in the French foreign legion. They take anyone no questions asked. And 10 years later you're french.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought it was 5 years to reciieve cotyoneté

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Citoyeneté

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just do your fuckin’ time and get out. Only the greenest of privates actually think like this. There’s hardly even any action going on right now. Go to behavioral health if it’s really that bad. What’s your MOS anyways, pussy?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    let me guess, blackpilled by 4chan and or reading actual books? seems easier just to stick it out m8. how many years you got left? take up smoking.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Resign you fucking retard this isn't China.
    >MUH CONTRACTS
    just say "I'm not into it anymore", contracts have no legal binding in regard to an individual's personal mental exhaustion.
    >NOOO YOU HAVE A 6 GORILLION CONTRACT TO SING ME FOR
    >nah just not feeling it, you're fired from being my manager btw
    takeshi 69 did this and he's a dumb Hispanic and there was 0 consequences. you're not a slave you fat fucking retard get off the internet huffing those third worldie story fumes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Government contracts are binding you nitwit. Serve and get first-hand experience on how things actually work before you blab about things you know nothing about.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Serve and get first-hand experience on how things actually work
        Hes correct, it literally is that easy to get out
        >hello sir im suicidal and can no longer perform my job or deploy
        >ok anon go to therapy for a few months and if nothing fixes it heres your free medical retirement with neetbux for life

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus Christ, who let the underage b& in

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this, I had 0 problems leaving. So many delusional by the rules gays in here. Do you think you'll automatically get in trouble for parking in a handicapped spot in the middle of nowhere too?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Suspending your passport and your bank cards are just a couple of the ways the US government can try to apprehend a deserter (away 30 days or more).

    As soon as you try to use the locked card your bank informs them of your location.

    Source: meth addict squadron member had it happen to him, and was apprehended at the Mexico border trying to come back into the USA from Tijuana.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    When was this? I deserted in 2008, and I didn't have any such problems with my banking (I didn't try to go abroad). During outprocessing at the PCF (most chill two weeks I spent in the Army), I met a bunch of guys who had deserted months and years ago and just ended up there after random traffic stops and such. Maybe things have changed since then though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of discharge did you get?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        OTH in lieu of court martial. It's the same one that all the other guys I outprocessed with got. It's not a DD or a BCD. I can still buy guns. It's not a criminal record or any such thing. It just means I don't get veterans benefits.

        The backstory is that I realized during AIT that the Army was a lame fuckaround. I also found out that the reason I enlisted was actually not my problem. I talked to my platoon sergeant about an ELS, he said "No", so I just found another job and left. I let people in my unit know that I didn't plan to return. After about six weeks, I was able to verify that I had been dropped from rolls in my unit, so I reported to the PCF at Fort Sill and did two weeks of outprocessing. It should have been one week, but the officer who needed to sign off on the papers at the end was on vacation. I already mentioned that it was super chill-- go to one or two appointments per day, otherwise just hang out on bleachers smoking cigarettes and shooting the shit with the other guys outprocessing. At the end, I got my terminal leave papers, drove home, and my DD-214 arrived a couple months later.

        I deserted at the end of 2008 and outprocessed in early 2009. Things may have changed since then, but, based on documentation I see from GI Rights Hotline web page and official Army docs, it looks like this is still the procedure.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I also found out that the reason I enlisted was actually not my problem
          Lemme guess. Wasn't your kid?

          >The backstory is that I realized during AIT that the Army was a lame fuckaround
          >I talked to my platoon sergeant about an ELS, he said "No"
          See, like you tried to handle it like an adult and I doubt there was any consideration. Did he actually just give you a flat "no" or were there pushups and mindlessly parroted rhetoric involved?

          >so I just found another job and left. I let people in my unit know that I didn't plan to return.
          >so I reported to the PCF at Fort Sill and did two weeks of outprocessing
          Wait... so you straight up Craig Tucker'd your way out of the Army? That's fucking amazing.

          I learned during my own separation ordeal a very important lesson: power is all about perception.
          >"DO PUSHUPS, SHIT BAG!"
          >"No."
          >"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN NO!?"
          >"I mean, I have three inches of height and forty pounds of muscle on you. I give precisely zero fucks about your rank, as I'm not partaking in your LARP anymore. What I'm saying is, you have exactly zero means at your disposal to make me do pushups, and as chest day was yesterday, I'd rather not. So no. Call the MPs, I don't give a fuck."
          >*angry Appalachian noises*

          Or...

          >"How are you going to live with your regrets, Anon? How are you going to live with turning your back on your company?"
          >"Well you guys are deploying in a month, and I'll have nothing but time and six figures in savings, so I imagine going full Jody on your wives will be pretty dope. Although in the case of one of you, I don't have to imagine at all, and I'm very much looking forward to the repeat. So is she. We text."

          Saying and doing whatever the fuck you want in the Army, whilst completely no-selling the bullshit is pretty fucking amazing if the stars align and you're in a position to do so.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically, go online and post racist shit with your face

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretend you're really suicidal, I heard that can get you discharged

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just wait it out and then apply for disability

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This guy gets it, if you can get 70% VA disability you can go live in eastern europe or Asia and never have to work again.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im at 70% right now and southeast asia looks like an absolute fucking goldmine of a place live with these neetbux, im just worried the VA will stop giving me neetbux for depression if they see im living just fine in a foreign country and not needing treatment

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Would the VA even notice? How does that work, do they just send you a check every month no questions asked?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            5 years after medically retiring they interview you to review if you still need neetbux, then every 2 years after that i think
            I still have 3 more years before my first review

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you have to do this if you don't medically retire? Like, if you serve your 4 years and go to the doctor for every little thing while you're in.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you dont medically retire but want to get some disability percentage for your medical problems you would probably still end up having to meet with the VA periodically to determine if your percentage should be raised, lowered, or kept the same

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You aren't in the actual military until you have your first set of qualifications for your job.

    Up until that point you are still a disposable retard that might not make it, and the process to get you out is streamlined.

    Tons of people dropped out for so many reasons through basic, tech school, and ojt.

    The people who I saw get into deep shit for going AWOL were rated and mission critical individuals who were part of a crew and were deployable. Individuals with secret or above clearances, individuals with privileged knowledge and access.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Read

      I knew AIT kids that had been there for two years in limbo. Could you imagine dealing with drill sergeants for two years? If they weren’t crazy before, they will be after.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you
    why desert? just identify yourself as a chud or something and go complain about mental abuse or some other shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's trying to leave, not get promoted.

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