I want to go to Japan, i can afford it and i have plans but im afraid of the flight.. How to deal with sere flight anxiety?? How to cope?
Flight fear
I want to go to Japan, i can afford it and i have plans but im afraid of the flight.. How to deal with sere flight anxiety?? How to cope?
op here- severe* oops
I have flown countless times and never had a problem. Millions fly every year without problem.
You're more likely to die in a car than on a plane.
There's no guarantees in anything in life, but a plane is about as safe as it gets to be honest.
Worst case, ask your doctor for something to soothe your nerves.
Thanks. I just comprehend the "its safer" when someone talks from experience and i dont just read random facts.
What about the time on board, how do u spend your time?
>time on board
Most, if not all, long haul international flights have in-flight entertainment options available. If you'd rather time pass the quickest, take some benadryl after boarding and pass the fuck out.
Watch a couple of movies or tv shows, most airlines provide this. You could download a podcast or ebook. I've brought puzzle books before - crosswords, sudoku, that shit. You could bring a video game console like a DS or something if you like that. You can sleep too.
I read at take off and landing, watch one movie before/during meal time, then right after meal, I swallow a sleeping tablet, fall asleep, wake up right before next meal, watch another movie, start reading again before landing.
Before the hoax pandemic I used to go to East Asia (mainly China and Japan) every 3 months and it’s always been the same.
Going back there in April.
Have you gone since the pandemic? I used to travel somewhat frequently, but having not been on a flight since 2019, I am feeling nervous.
I have been elsewhere between 2019 and now, mainly Europe. Never stopped traveling, even during lockdown. It was actually better during the lockdowns because flights were empty and extremely cheap. Dual citizenship also helps.
IMO Tokyo-Osaka-Kyoto are always good for first timers. You can also do a daytrip to Nara. In my case I love the countryside so everytime I go to Japan I just pick some random small town or village and stay for 2 days. Last time I was in Japan I went to Yamanouchi, not far from the onsen monkeys.
Some recommendations for Japan? I already have a big list but i might be missing out sth cool. I want to go around tokyo kyoto and osaka (the usual).
planes aren't safer than cars. safer than motorcycles, though
Get some good noise cancelling headphones. I recommend sony’s on ear headphone.
Then you don‘t hear the plane noises. It‘s like sitting in a room.
Play games, read something, use the onboard entertainment, take a tablet with you, if necessary.
On this point, if possible get a seat in front of the wings so you don't have as much engine noise.
It's very safe to fly, but you'll likely still feel an irrational feat, at least I do. Just grip the seat, close your eyes and try to sleep, or start to watch a random movie on the screen to take your mind off the fear
>You're more likely to die in a car than on a plane.
This statement is incorrect, it's annoying seeing how much it is incorrectly peddled. It assumes that you spend far more time in a car than in a plane (correct for *most* people), and is calculated over miles traveled, but not time spent. Danger in a plane per time spent in an aircraft is higher than that spent in a car. This is somewhat offset, however, by injuries sustained in flight typically being lethal.
>Danger in a plane per time spent in an aircraft is higher than that spent in a car.
Why does time matter? Miles are what matter because that's what you're doing, traveling. It's safer to fly from Paris to Budapest than it is to drive from Paris to Budapest.
Because in every other facet of life, danger is calculated as a function of time/proximity to danger. Airlines and retards push the distance analogy as some weird cope. Planes are safe, but they are more dangerous than vehicles. Simple as
>Because in every other facet of life, danger is calculated as a function of time/proximity to danger.
Okay but if you're driving long distances you're spending significantly longer time in danger. A 4 hour flight is like a 30 hour drive. So while the 30 hour drive might be safer per minute, it's still safer to just take the plane.
And? You see how see how retarded your cope is, right?
>hey anon do you want to ride the mechanical bull?
>idk seems dangerous
>no it's not dangerous, because if you only ride it once, amortized over your entire life, it's nothing
>oh okay I see
This is how fucking stupid you are.
I don't even understand your analogy. There are multiple methods of travel. There's only one way to ride mechanical bull. Also mechanical bulls are safe and if you're too pussy to ride one because they're "dangerous" then I'm not going to take your advice on anything.
Again, you're not flying for fun, you're flying to get somewhere. If it's longer than a 5 hour drive, flying is going to be safer. So you saying "Ummm actually it's safer to drive" makes you sound like a fucking retard because it's not safer to drive that distance.
Where did I say it was safer to drive over an equal distance? You must be on your 8th mRNA shot to not comprehend this.
You didn't. You just made a blanket statement about how plane travel is not safer than car travel and I'm trying to point out that distance traveled is way more relevant than how much time you spend in a vehicle.
Read retard.
I did. Now explain to me why "time in vehicle" is relevant info at all when it comes to safety and travel.
Figure it out, vaxxie
Not really. Pilots are professionals with a shit load of measures and procedures to prevent idiotic behaviour - of course, check airline safety ratings before flying with dumbfuck air.
Car drivers can be any idiot, they don't even necessarily have a license as they run up your ass in their SUV.
Sure, if you're a very seasoned driver and you're driving in perfect conditions with no other vehicles around, your chance of an accident is very low - but as soon as other drivers are involved the chance of an accident goes right up.
Sounds good. Worst case i just overdose on sleeping pills. Why the bendryl tho?
What about the jet lag? Can you avoid it somehow?
I suggested Benadryl due to the fact that it knocks most people right the fuck out.
This'll will make you feel like youre waking from deep cryo-sleep but what I do is pop 4 severe night time NyQuil caps. Swear it won't kill you if your healthy and it'll be like you teleported to you're destination.
Have you ever gotten in a car?
Yes? Ok, you have already accepted more risk than flying. You're more likely to die sitting in a car for 8 hours compared to a plane
It doesn't matter, that shit does not help you conquer your fear and I'm tired of everyone parroting this shit. The fear of flying is not something rational and appealing to logic and fact does not just magically make it go away. It's not even just the fear of being high in the air, it's the complete lack of control over your fate that makes flying terrifying. Cars might be more dangerous, but at least you're the one behind the wheel. I would also venture to guess that most of us have been in a minor car crash; but a minor plane crash is comparatively rarer. Even if you think, "Oh, this is way safer than xyz," there's always that nagging feeling in the back of your mind saying, "But what if this is the exception, what if the pilot makes a mistake, what if something goes wrong." You can't conquer a fear of the dark by saying, "There's nothing out in the dark, you're way safer out in the dark than in a Walmart" or something, it's not anything rational or logical, it's a primal fear. The only way to conquer is to actually fly and make the unfamiliar familiar. Something I also do is actually research the history of flight and the engineering that goes into a plane. I think, "Wow, what an amazing piece of human ingenuity," instead of "This is a fucking metal death trap."
Also with cars as u are on the ground in the back of ur mind u have "i can open the door and jump' or some other unlogical cope. U have some control, while the plane is just enclosed container with no exit.
Planes are indead wholesome tho, but when im on the ground.
I don't just mean injured in a car, I mean you are more likely to DIE in a car accident compared to dying in a plane accident.
There is plenty outside of your control in a car. You could be a passenger. You could be driving next to a drunk, you cannot control the people around you. You don't know if the servicing was done correctly or if you're brakes are just about to break.
Planes are serviced to extremely high standards. There are many fail safes with respect to backup control systems, extra fuel, flight authorities.
Also a plane is largely controlled by computers now, there is little room for human error.
Rationality is all that matters, if you have irrational fears then overcome them.
dont come i kill you
gays like you should just stay in the basement.
>oh no I get anxiety (made up bullshit) in public!
>JAPAN WILL FIX ME!!!
The flight crashing and killing everyone on board should be the least of your worries.
???
What anxiety, what public lol
Fear of flying is legit and has nothing to do with anxiety in public or whatever shit what?
Who said japan will cure me, the country has nothing to do with my flight problem
Why so bitter, no money for traveling or what?
>Fear of flying is legit
Let me guess, you're a 16 year old trans on a cocktail of drugs who has a list of other made up "disorders" on their SNS profiles, too?
stay mad retard. Japan fixed the one problem I had in my life.....living in Canada
There's no need to be nasty to the guy anon. At least he's making some effort, he just wants some assurance that's all.
Some weekend in the near future book a short flight to get accustomed to the airport, landing and takeoff, and all of that. Flying can be scary. Takeoff you go very fast and all of a sudden you're not on the ground anymore. Landing is almost always somewhat rough and you're going to get knocked around a bunch. There's also turbulence which can also feel very scary.
You just gotta accept that your life is in the hands of the people that maintain the aircraft and the competency of the people flying it. There's nothing you can do about it really. Once you're in the air you either land safely or you die.
The worst part about flying to Asia is how long it takes to get there. Japan takes 12 hours from the US, not sure how long it takes from Europe. Those 12 hours are FUCKING BRUTAL. You're cramped in a tiny ass seat surrounded by other cramped people. You're in this dry ass capsule so you need to stay hydrated and the bathrooms are disgusting and for me it's very difficult to sleep on the plane. I just watch movies until the plane lands. It sucks. I hate it so much.
Yep thats what i imagine. Hm from here its 11-14 weird.
Yeah if u want to go there thats all u can do.
Many people suggest me to take a short flight but for some reason i like the thought of throwing myslef on a 11h flight first, hoping it will beat my ass and make me realize its not that bad.
If you can get a direct flight from your local airport to Japan then yes, I think a good strat is just go straight into the flight. If you have to do connecting flights I'd really recommend just taking a short trip somewhere so you become familiar with airport procedures and don't miss your flight because you accidentally walked out to baggage claim and had to go through security again.
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just fly/get used to flights, flights get dangerously boring when used to, also imo landing is the most chillest part (you also get to mentally judge the pilots skills) this is coming from someone with an active fear of heights above 3 ladder steps
It's actually fascinating how fatal cases have dropped like a rock (at mind-boggling flight volumes), I kinda wished private cars would get 1/10th of the treatement planes get in terms of safety.
I'm arriving during the morning, so I hope window Mt Fuji might relief the pain a bit. Also I'll definetly try to sleep, otherwise I guess it's time to read a book and view downloaded netflix. Filling about 12 hours is bonkers, only home flight is going to be worse.
I have the same problem and have found a way to cope with it. Believe me, I tried everything. Xanax, sleeping pills, alcohol, weed, everything, nothing really did it, and actually weed and alcohol just amplified my paranoia. No matter how strong the sleeping pills, I couldn't fall asleep. I know this will sound stupid and people will probably shit on me, but meditation is what helped me. It's not like some hippie dippy shit. The part that scares me the most is takeoff. So what I do is start counting in my head when takeoff starts and don't stop until we're in the air and stabilized. I empty my mind of everything else except for the count and don't allow myself to focus on the strange sounds the sensation of the ground falling out from under me. I do the same thing whenever there's turbulence - just count until it's over. This might not work for you, but there are lots of ways to meditate. I know it might sound stupid but it really has helped me tremendously. I still hate flying but I don't let it stop me anymore.
Sounds great, ive tried something similar but my focus level is too low and my attention is glued to the scary shit lol
I went with my friends in Japan in 2018 with my friends for the first time, was supposed to go in 2016 but freaked out, but most likely because our stay was badly programmed and I never traveled before.
Long flights are very secure and most stable, don't be scared of flying higher than most planes. They have a lot of way to avoid problems.
Just walk a bit in the corridor sometimes because the flight may last 10 hours, also they will give multiple meals so you won't starve. Low costs flights may not do this but I never wanted to take one.
If i could fly with someone else would be nice ;/ but on your own is a different beast
Planes nowadays should be fine, unless its some 3rd world country or cheap china.
I searched for plane crashes and real bad shit hasnt happened in a long while. 2017 was a year without any airline plane crashes.
Don't go to Japan, or I will murder you.
Another one, there is a queue my friend. Why the murder intentions?
Clonazepam and zolpidem
Look at airlines on air safety ratings.
Pick a 7 star carrier, you'll have the confidence that you'll be fine.
That just means that they are due a major accident. The loaded chamber creeps closer with every flight. Better to pick a carrier that just had an accident since lightning shouldn't strike the same place twice, it'll be years before they have another
lmao
Take a ship if you don't want to fly
It will take weeks with a ship, otherwise i would lol
That honestly makes sense. I wouldnt get on some cheapass shit, but in some sense its true if one fell whats the chance another one does lmao. Never heard of 2 airline companies loosing 2 planes in a row. Tho im pretty sure my anxiety of the knowledge that it happened wont allow me.
Why are they due a major accident? Is there some magic counter ticking down to a major accident for every airline that we don't know about?
On a long enough timespan every airline will experience a fatal crash sooner or later. It might take years, decades or centuries, but it will happen. That means that for every single flight that goes by without a hitch, the probability that the next flight will suffer an accident increases.
morons don't know about Malaysia Airlines in 2014
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
Yea today i talked about that with a friend lol. Uuuh i guess it happens lmao
Fly Qantas. They have never had an air crash
>Fly Qantas. They have never had an air crash
Qantas had four fatal crashes between 1946 and 1951. They have not had a fatal crash in the jet era. In 1999 QF1 (747-400) overran the runway in bad weather at BKK, effectively damaging the aircraft beyond serviceability. There were no serious injuries or facilities in that incident but Qantas wrote the hull off and I believe the Captain was fired. In 2010 QF32 (A380) suffered an uncontained engine failure, shrapnel from the engine damaged the port fuel tank causing a fuel leak, it also caused damage to the hydraulic systems and control surfaces of the port wing. They made an emergency landing in Singapore, there were no injuries or fatalities but this had the potential to become a major incident.
Pretty sure there were some which rly didnt have any. Im from eu, the regulations are crazy and the main airlines are fine i think. Idk like finnair or sth
Just get blackout drunk before takeoff
I feel your pain op, ive been to 70 countries, been on probably 500 flights and everyone of them has terrified me, I hate flying with a passion but I see it as a barrier to entry, sometimes you just have to do something you hate to get something you want, think of it as a ying to the Yang that is travel.
Despite contrary recommendations ive never gotten black out drunk or drugged up for a flight, I thought it would be even worse, you just have to white knuckle it. You'll literally be fine, just man up
I like that. It really is like a barrier..
Things cant be just good right, gotta experience some shit before u can enjoy
50 cpumtries woah.. Thats crazy
valium and booze.
My flight leaves next week and I’m scared. Mostly of getting covid at one of the airports or on the plane. Not because of the disease itself, but because it would ruin my whole trip (it sucks to have covid). It’s also such a long goddamned flight…
Covid doesn't affect you unless you are old or obese. You aren't a fatty are you?
vaxed, healthy, had covid, first two days of showing symptoms were bad, then one medium, rest four were light/none
I probably would have lied a full week in a bed if I were an unvaxed schizo
The worst thing that can happen to you is you die. What's the point in living if you can't feel alive. When you're plane goes turbulence and feels unstable you should enjoy the adrenaline.
get stinking drunk like the rest of us.
Just pack a parachute into your carry on
Solution
You're more likely to die in a car than in a plane, assuming you drove a plane instead of a car.
Don't sweat it.
Or go to a psychiatrist and get some xanax or something
>How to cope?
Go by boat. Beware that they may hate you because that's how the coof originally got to Japan, as per the public retelling of the sagas
Lol
Would go by boat if i could but it will take weeks oof
drugs. xanax is shit, it doesn't last long enough, get some klonopin. 2mg kpins you'll be happy as fuck looking out the window wondering if u wanna become a pilot, and if you hit the mega lottery and the plane does crash you'll be the only one enjoying the ride down. keep extra in your pocket and if it wears off mid flight just take some more
You druggies, most peoples solution B)