>original 737, which is also shit
Tell me your country doesn't allow the deuce to fly without telling me. I wish the smallest plane flying in my country was the guppy.
>"tell me twitter meme without twitter meme" redditspeak >guppy >deuce
Are you 14 or 90? I seriously can't tell.
Speak like a normal person you fricking homosexual
>Tell me you are not a pilot without telling me.
Yeah, it is moronic phraseology, but believe it or not that is how the two highly trained and professional men up front refer to airplanes
How is it Boeing's fault if properly trained pilots all over the world in first-world countries with competent airline maintenance crews were operating the exact same plane without incident 24/7?
made in america lawndarting machine designed for population control. the dirty little secret is it wasn't pajeet code, but american diversity hires and good old fashioned corporate greed that doomed it.
The only people who care about the Max debacle are legit autistic, regular people know they're safe or don't remember. I don't fly third world airlines so it's not a concern for me.
kek this give you the same bearish vibe as when the devs of the shitcoin you’re in start talking about charity, only instead of your shitcoin rugging you die.
Booked a flight from Krakow to London Luton which seems to switch between 737-800s and max so I guess I got an extra roulette if I'm going to die or not. The airline is Buzz which is a Polish subsidiary of Ryanair, which sounds fricking disgusting but the flight time and destination (i.e. not the other London airports) were literally perfect for me. At least I can take comfort that they have to follow first world EU standards and the crew will be white
It’s fine. Well publicised MCAS failures have been investigated and handling techniques are specifically trained for by all crew. You are literally more likely to be stabbed in Luton itself if you have to go into the town centre for some reason.
Had to get an Embraer 145 recently. I was more worried in that than you should be about the MAX.
Turns out when you let woefully inexperienced pilots from foreign countries with shoddy airline maintenance records fly complex modern airliners there's a good chance something bad will happen. Who knew!
Oh yeah don't even think about the fact that the first country to call for the grounding of Boeing's newest plane was China, who happened to be in an intense trade war with the US at the time and was premiering their own ripoff airliner. Nothing to see here!
Actually completely blows my mind how the public narrative around a fricking airplane somehow got all the way to "it's Trump's fault!!!!"
>But okay, ignore the thousands of flights all across the world that didn't crash.
stupid statement. for every air accident that has ever happened regardless of cause there have been thousands of flights made by the same aircraft type that have not crashed, even if the aircraft design has been proven to be faulty. there were thousands of flights made by concorde without incident, before the one fatal crash that basically grounded the plane forever. >Tell me, in the standard procedures that have been published since the 1960s, what does it say to do in the event of a trim runaway?
interesting attempt to assert your own authority. why would i know? i'm not a pilot. but i am a systems analyst with some experience in disaster analysis and recovery. so i am used to reading reports like the one published by the faa https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/boeing_reading_room/media/737_RTS_Summary.pdf
why not have a read of it yourself? it's pretty interesting reading for anyone interested in the causes of aviation disasters.
and stop having such a hard on for fricking boeing. they fricked up in this case and hundred of people died. they were forced to make countless changes to their design, paid out hundreds of millions in compensation and fines, and tarnished their reputation forever.
Right so you don't understand the flight recorder data and your counter is just an appeal to authority. This isn't about Boeing and implying that I have some sort of favoritism for them is strange, and right on target for the typical response
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This isn't about Boeing
it absolutely is. they fricked up from the bottom to the top. the faa told them so. get over it. >and right on target for the typical response
you mean the typical response of someone who has read the reports into the incidents? yeah that's me anon you caught me out. boy is my face red.
see you back in the office at renton tomorrow.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No my man, if you don't understand the flight recorder data then you just don't have an informed point of view. It's honestly pretty simple:
- There have been standard procedures for a trim runaway published for over half a century
- The pilots did not follow them
If you were merging onto the highway and one of your tires popped, would you keep pressing the gas pedal and then crash and cry that it was the fault of whoever manufactured your car? Oh and then wouldn't it be interesting if a completely unrelated third party who happened to be manufacturing a direct competitor to the car you were driving started calling for the global boycott of that car? Really jogs the ol' noggin...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if you don't understand the flight recorder data then you just don't have an informed point of view.
fortunately there are experts who can do that for me, and compile their findings into reports that i can read, so i can have an informed point of view. those experts say that boeing fricked up. boeing basically admitted it. as an independent observer i can question their findings but really the point is moot. the faa grounded the aircraft and boeing modified it before it caused any more accidents and that is the aircraft that passengers nervously board today. i suspect it will be quite a short lived variant compared to other 737 variants. >If you were merging onto the highway...
ridiculous, pointless metaphor
11 months ago
Anonymous
The flight recorder data isn't hard to understand unless you're moronic. At least in the Ethiopian flight, the pilots should have followed protocol and disingaged autopilot AND autothrottle [instead of leaving the throttle at takeoff setting] so the plane didn't end up overspeeding at low altitude, exerting high aerodynamic forces on the control surfaces which made the controls in the wienerpit very hard to move. Boeing has even had an emergency "porpoise" procedure published for decades which would have helped them in this exact situation. After disengaging autopilot and autothrottle, they should have hit the "stab trim cutout" switches in the center pedestal which would have completely disconnected MCAS.
I bet you also believe the mainstream narrative that says "right after takeoff the plane just went into a nosedive!!!"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Different poaster here
It think it is both obviously telling that the only two crashes occurred w/ 3rd world pilots AND that Boeing obviously deserves some blame for outsourcing code to jeets
11 months ago
Anonymous
I just don't see the side of it where Boeing deserves to be completely roasted for the MAX crashes. Should they have had MCAS running on a single angle of attack sensor? Maybe not but it's genuinely hard to say; the procedures for an angle of attack disagreement and a trim runaway have been the same for decades, regardless of MCAS, and countless well trained pilots have implemented them successfully in that time.
People love to point to the FAA and say "see, they penalized Boeing for lots of money!!!" but they fail to connect the dots - Boeing gets shit tons of money from the federal government and is propped up out of necessity due to its relationship with the military. Any "penalty" money that Boeing paid to the government partially already came from the government, and will be returned to them inevitably through more federal deals. It's all a smoke and mirrors show for plebs who want to argue over the garbage hot takes coming from Vox and Vice and CNN.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Right, I dont have the expertise to really assess or argue what you're saying. I'm just noting from my layman's perspective, the likelihood of pilot error contributing to the two crashes seems EXTREMELY high. However that doesn't excuse Boeing from whatever heat they receive as a result of incidental revelations that their conduct was sketchy in the production and certification of the Max. They still deserve shit for that
"Reading reports" definitely doesn't entitle you to preach any sort of expertise, it only gives you broad insight into the topic. You're probably arguing with a commercial airline pilot who has thousands of hours of real world training and actual understanding of the complex factors at play regarding flight safety.
Btw the Concorde didn't fail purely because of that single freak accident (which wasn't even its fault). There were multiple compounding factors like overall profitablity and the general publics perception of supersonic flight (noise pollution). That crash just gave Air France and BA a reason the axe the program with peoples emotional support which is always the case with crashes. If an airframe was grounded after a single crash there would be virtually no airliners in the sky right now
Lmao that must be why it was flying without incident all over the world 24/7 before the Indonesian and Ethiopian crashes, and why it continues to fly 24/7 without incident today
"Lmao" that must explain why Boeing paid $2.5 billion out of court to avoid revealing just what a shitshow the plane's development was
The version currently in service has had so many changes from the original crashy version that it barely qualifies as the same aircraft.
The replies are always the same, it's actually super strange. Anyone who understands how planes work, and specifically 737s, can look at the flight recorder data from the crash flights and see that the pilots/airlines fricked up.
>The version currently in service has had so many changes from the original crashy version that it barely qualifies as the same aircraft.
So since OP is flying NOW, not the original version, he should be fine, right?
As long as your pilots are well trained and mentally stable, you're going to be fine, AKA fly on a western airline. There are systems to stop catastrophic failures that good pilots train to do, in a timely manner.
Boeing makes good planes, but that doesn't mean anything if you have a fricking moron behind the controls.
That list is from a passenger experience perspective and neglects pilot skill. Ethiopian ranks higher than the big 3 in the US, yet they had a crash not too long ago.
OP died this morning. Reply “F” to pay respects >OP books flight >Airlines fleet is compromised of Boeing planes instead of AirBus models >Hundreds of passengers in-flight plugged in to charge their personal devices so they could have entertainment >Batteries become overloaded, spontaneously combust >Lithium-fuelled fire spreads quickly >Oxygen masks drop, but do no good as everyone is about to be seared like an exotic fish in a ceramic pan >Knowing everyone will die, pilot pulls out a bugle and plays a sad tune over the PA system as the customers scream, cry, and pray >Plane is descending rapidly, but everyone onboard has compounded their light vacation tans with a solid blackened char >737 Max slams into the ground, smashing into a billion pieces >Local firefighters from the nearest station listening to “Flaming” by Pink Floyd show up late because there’s nothing they can do >All we have to remember OP by is his post on a Cambodian basket weaving forum >Jannies don’t even stick it in his honor
You really hate to see it
Is the system really defective if countless people using it have no issue whatsoever and the only people whose use resulted in catastrophic failure were severely undertrained?
If you download my app "Mylot", then you can see user reviews of pilots and planes, as well as the en-route weather. We use algorithms to work out the percentage chance of your plane crashing.
Not fricked at all as long as the pilot and co-pilot are both White men
Shitty plane with pajeet code pretending to be an old plane (original 737, which is also shit) to avoid new regulatory approvals
Worst config in the business, sometimes even configured as all-scum class
Wtf that's scary bro
You will be fine.
>original 737, which is also shit
Tell me your country doesn't allow the deuce to fly without telling me. I wish the smallest plane flying in my country was the guppy.
>"tell me twitter meme without twitter meme" redditspeak
>guppy
>deuce
Are you 14 or 90? I seriously can't tell.
Speak like a normal person you fricking homosexual
>Tell me you are not a pilot without telling me.
Yeah, it is moronic phraseology, but believe it or not that is how the two highly trained and professional men up front refer to airplanes
Yet you keep using the same "tell me" shit used by 14yo girls and 90yo prunefrickers
Huh ...now I know why my dad (a hobby pilot) keeps track of what plane I am flying on
>2 flights from shithole countries crashed out of 250,000 flights
You're fricked. Definitely gonna die
And whose fault were those 2 crashes?
Mine. Sorry about that.
It's co just don't do it again
> moron moron moron
the planes clearly tell you to not crash anon
Ultimately Boeings but better pilots would have thought to disconnect the faulty computer.
How is it Boeing's fault if properly trained pilots all over the world in first-world countries with competent airline maintenance crews were operating the exact same plane without incident 24/7?
same boat and I have this fear also
this is the cope I believe
There are 180 million 737 flights per year in the world.
>Plane crashes don't happen in first world countries
lol
100%. Make funeral arrangements now.
made in america lawndarting machine designed for population control. the dirty little secret is it wasn't pajeet code, but american diversity hires and good old fashioned corporate greed that doomed it.
as good as dead
At the very least, you'll avoid WW3, lucky you
It's been 3 years since the last time it was grounded, I'm sure most of the issues have been solved by now, so you should be fine.
The only people who care about the Max debacle are legit autistic, regular people know they're safe or don't remember. I don't fly third world airlines so it's not a concern for me.
In America, pilots are hired based on skin color instead of merit, don't think third world airlines do that thus should be safer.
kek this give you the same bearish vibe as when the devs of the shitcoin you’re in start talking about charity, only instead of your shitcoin rugging you die.
Yeah because instead everyone has moved on to the 787 “Dreamliner” aka Nightmareliner. Boeing is garbage. Didn’t used to be, but is now
787 has never crashed
Booked a flight from Krakow to London Luton which seems to switch between 737-800s and max so I guess I got an extra roulette if I'm going to die or not. The airline is Buzz which is a Polish subsidiary of Ryanair, which sounds fricking disgusting but the flight time and destination (i.e. not the other London airports) were literally perfect for me. At least I can take comfort that they have to follow first world EU standards and the crew will be white
>London Luton
>I guess I got an extra roulette if I'm going to die or not
yeah luton airport is like that. get out of there quickly anon
Yes, I just happen to live close and on the direct rail line to it. It's 2 - 2 1/2 hours to get to the other ones
The only thing that will frick you is your moronic mind.
It’s fine. Well publicised MCAS failures have been investigated and handling techniques are specifically trained for by all crew. You are literally more likely to be stabbed in Luton itself if you have to go into the town centre for some reason.
Had to get an Embraer 145 recently. I was more worried in that than you should be about the MAX.
The plane isn't nearly as critical as who is behind the yolk.
Turns out when you let woefully inexperienced pilots from foreign countries with shoddy airline maintenance records fly complex modern airliners there's a good chance something bad will happen. Who knew!
Oh yeah don't even think about the fact that the first country to call for the grounding of Boeing's newest plane was China, who happened to be in an intense trade war with the US at the time and was premiering their own ripoff airliner. Nothing to see here!
Actually completely blows my mind how the public narrative around a fricking airplane somehow got all the way to "it's Trump's fault!!!!"
what the frick are you even talking about you revisionist schizo
Lol go ahead, tell me what actually happened then Mao
It's the resident Boeing shill. Nothing in the 737MAX crashes was their fault, it was all because of the pilots.
Lmao it legitimately was the pilots who were at fault. But okay, ignore the thousands of flights all across the world that didn't crash.
Tell me, in the standard procedures that have been published since the 1960s, what does it say to do in the event of a trim runaway?
>But okay, ignore the thousands of flights all across the world that didn't crash.
stupid statement. for every air accident that has ever happened regardless of cause there have been thousands of flights made by the same aircraft type that have not crashed, even if the aircraft design has been proven to be faulty. there were thousands of flights made by concorde without incident, before the one fatal crash that basically grounded the plane forever.
>Tell me, in the standard procedures that have been published since the 1960s, what does it say to do in the event of a trim runaway?
interesting attempt to assert your own authority. why would i know? i'm not a pilot. but i am a systems analyst with some experience in disaster analysis and recovery. so i am used to reading reports like the one published by the faa https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/boeing_reading_room/media/737_RTS_Summary.pdf
why not have a read of it yourself? it's pretty interesting reading for anyone interested in the causes of aviation disasters.
and stop having such a hard on for fricking boeing. they fricked up in this case and hundred of people died. they were forced to make countless changes to their design, paid out hundreds of millions in compensation and fines, and tarnished their reputation forever.
Right so you don't understand the flight recorder data and your counter is just an appeal to authority. This isn't about Boeing and implying that I have some sort of favoritism for them is strange, and right on target for the typical response
>This isn't about Boeing
it absolutely is. they fricked up from the bottom to the top. the faa told them so. get over it.
>and right on target for the typical response
you mean the typical response of someone who has read the reports into the incidents? yeah that's me anon you caught me out. boy is my face red.
see you back in the office at renton tomorrow.
No my man, if you don't understand the flight recorder data then you just don't have an informed point of view. It's honestly pretty simple:
- There have been standard procedures for a trim runaway published for over half a century
- The pilots did not follow them
If you were merging onto the highway and one of your tires popped, would you keep pressing the gas pedal and then crash and cry that it was the fault of whoever manufactured your car? Oh and then wouldn't it be interesting if a completely unrelated third party who happened to be manufacturing a direct competitor to the car you were driving started calling for the global boycott of that car? Really jogs the ol' noggin...
>if you don't understand the flight recorder data then you just don't have an informed point of view.
fortunately there are experts who can do that for me, and compile their findings into reports that i can read, so i can have an informed point of view. those experts say that boeing fricked up. boeing basically admitted it. as an independent observer i can question their findings but really the point is moot. the faa grounded the aircraft and boeing modified it before it caused any more accidents and that is the aircraft that passengers nervously board today. i suspect it will be quite a short lived variant compared to other 737 variants.
>If you were merging onto the highway...
ridiculous, pointless metaphor
The flight recorder data isn't hard to understand unless you're moronic. At least in the Ethiopian flight, the pilots should have followed protocol and disingaged autopilot AND autothrottle [instead of leaving the throttle at takeoff setting] so the plane didn't end up overspeeding at low altitude, exerting high aerodynamic forces on the control surfaces which made the controls in the wienerpit very hard to move. Boeing has even had an emergency "porpoise" procedure published for decades which would have helped them in this exact situation. After disengaging autopilot and autothrottle, they should have hit the "stab trim cutout" switches in the center pedestal which would have completely disconnected MCAS.
I bet you also believe the mainstream narrative that says "right after takeoff the plane just went into a nosedive!!!"
Different poaster here
It think it is both obviously telling that the only two crashes occurred w/ 3rd world pilots AND that Boeing obviously deserves some blame for outsourcing code to jeets
I just don't see the side of it where Boeing deserves to be completely roasted for the MAX crashes. Should they have had MCAS running on a single angle of attack sensor? Maybe not but it's genuinely hard to say; the procedures for an angle of attack disagreement and a trim runaway have been the same for decades, regardless of MCAS, and countless well trained pilots have implemented them successfully in that time.
People love to point to the FAA and say "see, they penalized Boeing for lots of money!!!" but they fail to connect the dots - Boeing gets shit tons of money from the federal government and is propped up out of necessity due to its relationship with the military. Any "penalty" money that Boeing paid to the government partially already came from the government, and will be returned to them inevitably through more federal deals. It's all a smoke and mirrors show for plebs who want to argue over the garbage hot takes coming from Vox and Vice and CNN.
Right, I dont have the expertise to really assess or argue what you're saying. I'm just noting from my layman's perspective, the likelihood of pilot error contributing to the two crashes seems EXTREMELY high. However that doesn't excuse Boeing from whatever heat they receive as a result of incidental revelations that their conduct was sketchy in the production and certification of the Max. They still deserve shit for that
"Reading reports" definitely doesn't entitle you to preach any sort of expertise, it only gives you broad insight into the topic. You're probably arguing with a commercial airline pilot who has thousands of hours of real world training and actual understanding of the complex factors at play regarding flight safety.
Btw the Concorde didn't fail purely because of that single freak accident (which wasn't even its fault). There were multiple compounding factors like overall profitablity and the general publics perception of supersonic flight (noise pollution). That crash just gave Air France and BA a reason the axe the program with peoples emotional support which is always the case with crashes. If an airframe was grounded after a single crash there would be virtually no airliners in the sky right now
frick the fricking boeing shills in this thread
the max is a shitty death trap, get over it
Lmao that must be why it was flying without incident all over the world 24/7 before the Indonesian and Ethiopian crashes, and why it continues to fly 24/7 without incident today
"Lmao" that must explain why Boeing paid $2.5 billion out of court to avoid revealing just what a shitshow the plane's development was
The version currently in service has had so many changes from the original crashy version that it barely qualifies as the same aircraft.
The replies are always the same, it's actually super strange. Anyone who understands how planes work, and specifically 737s, can look at the flight recorder data from the crash flights and see that the pilots/airlines fricked up.
>Anyone who understands how planes work
you mean like the investigators who found Boeing's shoddy work at fault?
>The version currently in service has had so many changes from the original crashy version that it barely qualifies as the same aircraft.
So since OP is flying NOW, not the original version, he should be fine, right?
Airline pilot here.
As long as your pilots are well trained and mentally stable, you're going to be fine, AKA fly on a western airline. There are systems to stop catastrophic failures that good pilots train to do, in a timely manner.
Boeing makes good planes, but that doesn't mean anything if you have a fricking moron behind the controls.
>AKA fly on a western airline
western airlines barely get a look-in in most lists of the world's best airlines
That list is from a passenger experience perspective and neglects pilot skill. Ethiopian ranks higher than the big 3 in the US, yet they had a crash not too long ago.
The important metric really is who has the best faux gold plated seats on the flight. Screw safety
All the airlines on the list in
also have almost perfect safety records
OP died this morning. Reply “F” to pay respects
>OP books flight
>Airlines fleet is compromised of Boeing planes instead of AirBus models
>Hundreds of passengers in-flight plugged in to charge their personal devices so they could have entertainment
>Batteries become overloaded, spontaneously combust
>Lithium-fuelled fire spreads quickly
>Oxygen masks drop, but do no good as everyone is about to be seared like an exotic fish in a ceramic pan
>Knowing everyone will die, pilot pulls out a bugle and plays a sad tune over the PA system as the customers scream, cry, and pray
>Plane is descending rapidly, but everyone onboard has compounded their light vacation tans with a solid blackened char
>737 Max slams into the ground, smashing into a billion pieces
>Local firefighters from the nearest station listening to “Flaming” by Pink Floyd show up late because there’s nothing they can do
>All we have to remember OP by is his post on a Cambodian basket weaving forum
>Jannies don’t even stick it in his honor
You really hate to see it
F. Op was a gay but he will be missed
f
F
F
not an airbus, not getting on. simple as.
good luck dude
If it's boeing I ain't going.
flyinggg
buy me a ticket fly to japan
I only fly on Airbus. I don't trust Amerijeets. Simple as.
>ITT: morons blaming the gun instead of the person who shot it
>blaming the user for a defective system
are you a linux user by any chance?
Is the system really defective if countless people using it have no issue whatsoever and the only people whose use resulted in catastrophic failure were severely undertrained?
And why is the main competitor in the aviation industry capable of making planes that don't crash when undertrained pilots are piloting them?
You gon flyyyy, you gon fricking flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
If it's not airbus, I'm taking the bus
PULL UP PULL UP PULL UP PULL UP
If you download my app "Mylot", then you can see user reviews of pilots and planes, as well as the en-route weather. We use algorithms to work out the percentage chance of your plane crashing.