For my next vacation I want to go to a Muslim country. Any suggestion for Muslim countries that are safe for a white non-Muslim to travel to? Preferably one where I can ride a camel
For my next vacation I want to go to a Muslim country.
For my next vacation I want to go to a Muslim country. Any suggestion for Muslim countries that are safe for a white non-Muslim to travel to? Preferably one where I can ride a camel
t. Shaitan
Lol allah wanted that fart out. It was stuck by shaytan
muslims don't fard during prayer tho, you have to start all over if you do.
Uzbekistan
ones i'd consider
turkey
morocco
maldives
uae
qatar
oman
jordan
bahrain
indonesia (some regional risks)
malaysia
I'd only consider Dubai, and maybe Malaysia.
>dubai the country
Cancermong
morocco is the worst place i've ever been. i would recommend anywhere but there.
>morocco is the worst place i've ever been. i would recommend anywhere but there.
Egypt was the warning I needed never to go to Morocco
Morocco, Turkey, Oman are all 10/10 destinations, an incredible amount of diversity and things to do. Jordan is also great.
I’ve been to over 40 countries and Morocco is my #1. You sound like a pansy.
>Morocco is my #1. You sound like a pansy.
What a fucking douche
>DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the medina, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite INDIANA JONES MOVIES. you should totally come on down to my riad, it’s got GEOMETRIC MOSAIC TILE walls and everything, we can crack open a nice mint tea or three and get crazy listening to the call to prayer from the mosque across the street!
What is so bad about Morocco?
mostly the people. everyone i met was a complete asshole. and i mean everyone. here are things that happened pretty much constantly while walking around:
>every 5 minutes people offering me 'directions' (ie pointing down a street) and then demanding i pay them for their 'help'
>groups of children swarming me asking for money and then getting angry when i don't shower them with coins
>elementary school age kids flipping me off and telling me to go back to america
>people asking me if i want to buy drugs and then calling me a woman/bitch when i turn them down
>constantly scowled at by everyone i pass by
>people getting very aggressive and borderline violent when taking pictures anywhere near them
then there were a few highlights:
i learned pretty quickly to ignore people offering me directions. one time a group of young men just standing around (on a weekday, do these people not have jobs or anything better to do?) just barked out at me to not go down a street i had turned down. i just kept walking. maybe a minute later it was a dead end so i turned around and walked back out. well of course they were still there and just smirked and laughed at me for not listening to them. 'listen to people when they talk to you'. lovely.
went to a tagine restaurant and was the only person in there. the owner actually seemed nice, struck up conversation with me. but then after 10 minutes or so just as my food got there his friend came in, at which point the owner stopped talking to me and his friend sat down with me and spent the rest of my meal trying to sell me some travel package or something despite my repeated attempts to explain to him that i am not even remotely interested and just want to eat my dinner. this happened to me twice at different places. apparently it's common for restaurant owners to call their buddies to do this to their customers.
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You sound like you have pink hair
>you sound like a pansy
>you sound like you have pink hair
i'm assuming you're moroccan, since these kind of baseless, demeaning insults are exactly what i experienced from everyone there.
I'm not moroccan. I just hate women like you
>I hate women
Confirmed Moroccan
>I hate woman like you
See! He hates women!
I've actually noticed this here, going back years and years. Any time someone says anything negative about Morocco an anon will spring up out of nowhere to insult them and talk about how it's the best country. Pretty sure they're employed by the Moroccan gov't or tourism board or something. It's pretty funny.
>elementary school age kids flipping me off and telling me to go back to america
based
I get the impression that the Arab world(outside of the Gulf countries temporarily supped up on oil and other fossil revenues) are all very states. The stories of steroid level aggressive touting you tell of Moroccans and those others say of Egypt reek of an economically failed society where they look at every tourist as akin to an Elon Musk to aggressively beg. But they don't understand their honorless and ultra desperate approach destroys their tourist potential. They are biting their noses and spiting their faces.
Egypt especially seems screwed since they are going to expose in population to 100+ million, breaking the Nile's capacity to support them. The average Egyptian women also can't keep their legs closed and births 3.x kids, so the touting will only get more and more desperate as they compete for less and less tourists.
Morrocanfag here. I'm sorry you had to go through this shit, but it appears as if you made a couple of no-nos you should avoid doing in any third world country and this is why you didn't enjoy your experience quite as much.
The biggest issue with tourists is that they go on the usual spots who are chock full of grifters. Marrakech is a prime example of a city completely fucked by this, as well as other shitty spots like Sti Fadma. Even locals are subjected to these behaviors and it's fucking annoying. Your best way of doing stuff is to not answer or not even interact with those people. They take literally any kind of reaction as an invitation to try harder.
Also, general advice, maybe don't look like a a stereotypical american tourist like picrel in the muslim world in general. Americans have anglo-germanic traits that can easily be spotted, and the classic shirt + tshirt (or just shirt) set is a dead give away. if you really want to look fancy walking in a third world country, wear a polo shirt. Otherwise, just wear a plain t-shirt. This is what I do in every fucking country i visit, even first world ones.
Also, two other things : the Medina/Casbah of a given city isn't a place where you chill and drink coffee. They are on the same level as favelas in terms of poverty and education. Always stay in the beaten path and never leave it. If you're in a place where people are selling drugs to an American you're in the wrong fucking part of town. And when people tell you to get the fuck away from a certain street and get mad because you don't listen is because they were genuinely worried that your ass would get fucking mugged.
I’m going in a month— thanks for the tip about the medinas
>elementary school age kids flipping me off and telling me to go back to america
Based
lastly the best one. after about a week of dealing with this, i was sitting in a cafe having a coffee or something when some dude a few tables over starts talking to me. obviously at this point i'm skeptical but still open to giving people a chance. surely there are some nice people in this country. well i talked to this guy for like half an hour, he seemed like a really genuine dude. at this point i was actually starting to change my mind about my whole trip. anyway i had some stuff i wanted to do so i got up to leave and politely said goodbye, that hopefully i'd run into him again, etc. well as i'm leaving i realize he gets up and is right behind me, leaving with me. no big deal i thought, but then he starts walking next to me talking about his buddy's lamp shop or something. i politely tell him i'm not interested in buying any lamps. this is when he starts getting pretty aggressive. 'its only right down this street here'. well that's not the way i'm going, which upsets him. so he grabs my arm and tries to pull me down this street. so i grabbed his hand and squeezed it, pulling it off my arm, and shoved him telling him to get the fuck away from me and not to touch me. i have no idea what he said to me after that as it wasn't in english but it didn't seem very friendly as he was spitting on the ground in front of me and waving his arms around. at this point i was squaring up with the dude getting ready to get jumped by everyone in the medina and wind up on the news back in america but luckily for me he just walked away after that.
later that day i booked a ferry to spain and got the fuck out of there. never been anywhere remotely like that before or since. i have no idea how people have positive experiences in that country. i'm sure it's different if you're muslim or non-white, but you're not, do yourself a favor and go literally anywhere else. except probably egypt as the other anon said. i've heard very similar things about the people in egypt.
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The pushy/rude people exist only in the 4 major tourist cities, in Imlil, and along the highway to Merzouga. That's like 2% of the country, geographically speaking. I could list a dozen cities with interesting touristic sites where no one, literally no one will look twice at you.
You're acting surprised that everyone was fake and materialist when you chose to travel to the most meme-tier destinations.
>The pushy/rude people exist only in the 4 major tourist cities, in Imlil, and along the highway to Merzouga. That's like 2% of the country, geographically speaking. I could list a dozen cities with interesting touristic sites where no one, literally no one will look twice at you.
>You're acting surprised that everyone was fake and materialist when you chose to travel to the most meme-tier destinations.
>t. Moroccan lamp salesman
> don't be surprised touristy areas are pushy/exploitative/materialist
to be fair, when you visit a super touristy city in, say, eastern Europe, you aren't press-ganged into buying the restaurant owner's tour package or harassed by strangers for similar reasons
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>i have no idea how people have positive experiences in that country
They don't. Only a Romanian hippie shitlocks couple ever told me they liked it. Been to almost 80 countries. Not going there. Horror stories are so common.
I dont believe a single word you said.
Not one.
>I dont believe a single word you said.
>Not one.
Exactly brother. He doesn't know our culture!
Allah u akbar!
لَّقَدْ جِئْتُمْ شَيْئًا إِدًّا
why do so many moroccan women have foreign lovers? i even saw a tiktok/ig page about moroccan women in interracial couples. are they just desperate to leave?
Worked in the ME and been to most countries there. If you like nature, good food (because of Indian migration), incredibly safe and friendly people - go to Oman. Me and my friends described it as 'Disney Arabia'. It's what you would imagine as a kid.
Lebanon if you want city nightlife and ancient ruins - Balbek was great, if you like that. Also, Hezbullah museum/Park in the South was special - but gotta be more careful there and people are more aggressive.
Avoid North Africa. Egypt is a camel's cum dump.
I also went to Oman for work and can confirm the nature is really nice and the people are very laid back and friendly. Also helps that Omani's aren't uptight sunni's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi_Islam
>Omani's aren't uptight sunni's.
Yeah, they're Ibadi (Khawarij) aka the most extreme sect of Islam.
Didn't Lebanon collapse into chaos after Beirut was blown up by a harbor explosion the other years? Is it not still a shithole rife with bandits and no functioning financial institutions?
>Didn't Lebanon collapse into chaos
No
>Is it not still a shithole rife with bandits
Maybe Tripoli or rural areas on the Syrian border. But never heard of bandits
>no functioning financial institutions
Bring cash and change on the black market. ATM has fixed government exchange rates
Tunisia maybe? They have some cool old Roman architecture.
Thirding Morocco being a total shithole. Worst people I've ever encountered. Every moment I spent in that country was worse than the last.
Egypt is worse.
What level of Muslim are you looking for on a scale of Turkey to Saudi Arabia?
Turkey and Malaysia are the most accessible Muslim countries, afterwards maybe check out Uzbekistan, Oman, Jordan, Indonesia and Morocco. They're all pretty safe for white people. Avoid Egypt
Malaysia or Indonesia are relatively safe and friendly majority muslim countries. Probably not so many camel rides there though.
Albania
not muslim
Tunisia has great beaches and a laid back culture.
Egypt is supposed to be a shit hole.
Morroco is poor as shit but kind of comfy.
Jordan is very westernized, you can ride camels in wadi rum.
Saudi Arabia is the real deal Sunni Islam, Sharia Law, Kingdom.
Turkey is former Ottoman, they have a lot of unique shit.
Short of south east Iran, east Syria, Afghanistan, and some parts of north Africa literally everywhere is safe. If you're brownish and speak a bit of arabic/farsi, I'd go anywhere with a western passport.
I'm white and I speak english
Been to a few
> Morocco
Present day culture is irritating AF - everyone is a pushy salesman and it detracts from the experience. Shame as away from the towns there are some very nice sights. Once you get used to the pushy guys it feels a lot nicer as they become like mosquitoes - a small annoyance you can ignore. Camel rides possible.
> Saudi Arabia
Little for tourists unless you are a pilgrim on the hajj. I only went for work. Possibly the worst driving on the planet. Camel rides possible.
> Bahrain
This is where Saudis go for fun. Formula 1 race if you like that kind of thing. Good scuba. Camel rides possible.
> Türkiye
Good choice for baby's first Muslim country - you can openly drink beer for example. Lots of nice historical sites (all of Istanbul, Catal Huyuk, ...), food is good, if you want to spend time sunning yourself by a beach you can do that too. Don't know about camel rides unless you are talking about Louise from Ealing.
I don't think I'd really care it was hydrogen carpet bombed to glass tbh. As long as they could ensure the radioactive fallout only falls back down in any possible remaining survivors.
anons, what is a good site to look for cheap tickets from america. i am hoping for an opportunity to travel to tunisia specifically and i am inexperienced with this sort of thing so i don't know where to look
It's usually cheaper to book round-trip tickets to a major European city, then book a separate itinerary from Europe-Africa. For Tunis, I'm guessing Paris or Brussels would be cheapest.
If it wasn't for the whole revolution going on, Iran would be the go to place, probably the safest middle eastern country.
Head to Tunisia or Morocco, both pretty safe for toursits and you'll get your camels
I’ve been thinking of going to Tunis. What should I expect?
>I’ve been thinking of going to Tunis. What should I expect?
An absolute dump in perhaps the worst Islamic country to visit in the world
How come? I imagine it can’t be more dangerous than like Libya, and I bet the ruins will be cool. Is there something I’m missing?
It's a tiny, ugly country with no charm. It survives almost exclusively on tourism - but it's the poorest families of Europe. Tunisia is the cheapest 'out of Europe' destination for Europeans. Lots of old German and British women go to fuck Arabs. Big trashy resorts for families, dirty ugly beaches.
Ofc it's safer than Libya, ffs. 99% of the world is. It's just a Cheap nasty little charmless shithole.
You're obviously inexperienced travelling. Why don't you build your confidence up in non Muslim countries rather than going to one of the shittest on earth.
Or.. just go to Indonesia.
Ohhh, so it’s like the Cancun of Europe. I figured something was up; it looked good on paper but airfare was too good to be true.
>you’re obviously inexperienced traveling
You got me there, I’m a burger and this would be my first time on the dark continent. Any suggestions for better places in the area?
>first time on the dark continent. Any suggestions for better places in the area?
African Islamic countries are nightmare shitholes.
If you want a safe, easy Africa, go to Diani Beach, Kenya. It's my favourite spot in Africa, reminds me of Thailand. Feel at home there. Beautiful beach, cheap accommodation (for Africa) and you learn what it feels like to be a 10/10 hot girl in your own country. I got aggressively hot on by pretty much every girl who had the opportunity to talk to me. All the waitresses - I had one find out my number from digital pay, the airbnb host, the pharmacist. Everywhere you are aggressively pursued to fuck.
>. t. Coombrain
Sounds awesome. Will check out airfare tonight lmao. I still want to see the old Mediterranean, though. Maybe Turkey?
>Turkey
Much better than Tunisia. Check out Yanartaş, if that's what you'relooking for - incredible buildings of the ancient Greeks, beautiful nature, cool hiking up Mount chimera. Also taking advantage of the weak af lira
Andalucia actually has the best-preserved Moorish architecture in the world. Doing the Grenada/Cordoba/Seville triangle is rewarding if you want to see Islamic architecture and eat Mediterranean food.
Nice people who will welcome you into their homes and offer you food. Women who don't wait until marriage to have sex. Roman ruins and all sorts of goodies left over from travelers over the past 4000 years.
>Nice people who will welcome you into their homes and offer you food. Women who don't wait until marriage to have sex. Roman ruins and all sorts of goodies left over from travelers over the past 4000 years
>t. Only been to 3 countries. Isn't the world wonderful!
>Roman ruins and all sorts of goodies
Oh my! What goodies! Such joy! Tunisia Is heaven! Oh golly!
>What should I expect?
An absolute dump. Don't bother. The nature mostly sucks. Cities, towns and villages are just copypaste hellholes consisting of gray/brown concrete slabs and mosques. The only remotely clean places are the tacky and soulless coastal resorts. People are mostly unfriendly. Lots of touts but they're not as aggressive as in Egypt or Morocco. Police checkpoints at every major town, junction or district border. When I went a few months summer ago I also had the fun of massive shortages of virtually everything (even bottled water) in supermarkets. Entering the country by ferry from Italy was incredibly difficult. Traffic is insane.
The medina experience is quite literally this:
Tunisia does have a few merits though:
1. There's a surprising bunch of Roman ruins if you're into that.
2. Beginner-friendly African country.
3. Okay infrastructure.
4. TONS of stray cats. Never seen a density of cats this high anywhere else.
5. Pretty cheap.
6. Nice weather.
7. Desert stuff I guess.
I'm grasping at straws here really. The cats really were the best part.
Oman is what every kid imagines the Middle East to look like after watching Aladdin. It comes closest to the orientalist fantasy of 1001 nights. Oman is perfectly save, well-developed, people are friendly and hospitable, they aren't pushy and don't view tourists as walking ATMs. They also have their own version of Islam that is pretty chill. Overall, it's very underrated.
>own version of Islam
What does this mean?
Ibadism
I've never been to Oman but I met a guy from there while staying in UK, he was my flatmate. To this day the only Muslim man I've met without a massive chip on his shoulder.
>To this day the only Muslim man I've met without a massive chip on his shoulder.
Why are they like this?
>safe for a white non-Muslim to travel to
Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo.
For camel riding try Kazakhstan.
>For camel riding try Kazakhstan
Haven't been there, have you? KZ is horse riding country. Never seen a camel there. Worked there for years.
I'm not Muslim but I'm very interested in visiting Islamic countries now that I've seen they don't immediately assrape every Westerner who visits. Is Kazakhstan worth visiting or is Central Asia prohibitively expensive due to travel costs? The UAE, Egypt, and Morocco all look touristy to me.
>Is Kazakhstan worth visiting or is Central Asia prohibitively expensive due to travel costs
It's not expensive but central Asia is just fucking boring and almost certainly not the "Islamic experience" you're looking for
Kyrgyz mountains are reputedly outstanding for hiking, although I’ve not been there personally
France
And Sweden
Can't believe these weren't the first posts
Can't believe they are still up
The posts or the countries?
What do you mean by you're a non-white muslim? Just say what country you are from.
If by that you mean that you are black African, in the racist muslim world black Africans are perceived as slaves. They don't have a concept of anti-racism like in the West. I read some book by a black African born in the South or Sudan. The northern Arabs raided her people and took her as a slave and she lived as a slave for a rich northern Sudanese family who abused her. The book was Slave: My True Story by Mende Nazer. Even today many other Arab and islamic countries like the Gulf nations, Libya, etc. practice veritable chattel slavery.
Muslim nations are very open about their racial hierarchies they are not like European nations that at least maintain the neoliberal veneer of anti-racism.
>non-white muslim
Read again, retard
Retard non-white literally means almost nothing as descriptive term. It is basically the majority of the globe outside of Anglosphere whites and most of Europe. It could be a Korean, other East Asian, someone from the Indian continent or Africa.
Literally there are few muslim nations considered sometimes as de jure white like Bosnians, some Turks, etc.
If you go to say the Gulf as Filipino muslim, black, etc. they will likely treat you like dirt, like how they treat the third world immigrants whose passports and documents they steal under the notorious Kafala system.
It says white non-Muslim you fucking cretin
I can't understand why non-muslims visit shitstain muslim countries, plus I read it too fast. So I read it as a non-white muslim, instead of as a white non-muslim...
OOPS!
Unironically have a nice day. Your stupidity is going to be the end of you. How come you didn't understand that your read it wrong even after I told you to read it again? Do not blame this on "reading too fast". This is all low intelligence
Seriously, how retarded are you if you think white non-muslim is the same as non-white muslim? Learn how to read
Do you reckon Iran will be fine to travel in like 3 months or am I gonna get kidnapped. Ive been wanting to go for ages but now I've given notice it's all gone to shit.
Should I just risk it
ESL-fag here. NEVER come to Saudi Arabia.
Bahrain is cool. You can party there.
Also, eat dates. The dates here are way better than anything you'll get back home.
Not truly muslim anymore, but ironically the best place would be south Spain. You get the feel of the architecture, while not being in one of the shithole muslm countries.
I'd say Albania but those people love cocaine and getting fucked up far too much to actually be Muslim. Then you learn they converted just so they could dodge tax and get into scraps and it all makes sense.
Jordan for sure
I don't have any advice but I'm going to Oman in February for 10 days, you can camp wherever you want so should balance out the unreal petrol dollar
My friend go to Oman very nice people
France
Kurdistan was my fave. Egypt is kinda crazy but worth a week. Had a long layover in Qatar and that’s all I’ll ever need to see of that shithole desert mall
Kurdistan isn't a real place. Do you mean southern Turkey, northern Syria, northern Iraq, northern Iran, or did you actually visit them all?
Your pic looks too green and mountainous for Iraq or most of Syria
Google Iraq nature and shut up you fucking retarded fat american
Alright, this is kino but these are the Zagros mountains. maybe that's what that anon meant by "kurdistan".
the rest of Iraq is a desert wasteland
How is Tinder in Istanbul? Asking for a coomer-monger-incel.
>inb4 coomer-monger-incel
How dumb are you? Turks in the 2nd and 3rd generation as migrants won't allow their sisters/cousins/daughters/etc. to have vaginal sex and you think you will go to Istanbul and hook up with Turkish women on Tinder? Far as I know they only do anal and oral to preserve their hymen but I doubt they would do it with a foreigner or that hotel staff would let you bring in a Turkish women to defile.
Just one source from my internal notes on this:
>https://en.qantara.de/content/german-edition-of-hurriyet-newspaper-smear-campaign-against-german-turkish-female-activists
>[Seyran Ates] further outraged the newspaper when she went on to say that many Turkish girls must "give in to having anal sex with boys" because this is considered a good way to protect their virginity and the best form of birth control.
Can confirm, even in Canada they do this, went home with a Turkish girl, she wouldn't have sex but then said I could fuck her ass.
was she born in turkey? i find turkish girls raised in the west are pretty liberal
No, they are not. Turks in their 3rd generation in Europe still haven't adopted European values and they perpetuating alien Islamic values. See my previous source:
A Turkish-Dutch female, Lale Gul wrote a book decrying the backwards Islamic values of her Turkish community. She received constant hatred, attacks and even death threats from Turks:
>https://nltimes.nl/2022/04/16/lale-gul-considering-leaving-country-fresh-threats-autobiography
Turks don't adapt when they migrate. Even Dr. Oz in the USA, was born in the USA but served in the Turkish military. He didn't vote in the last American elections but went to Turkey to vote. Then he ran for Senator in Pennsylvania to help his watermelon seller leader Erdogan nab Gulen. But he failed and John Fetterman kicked his ass in the election even after a stroke. He would have been the only Senator with dual nationality and probably the only to serve in a foreign and not the American military... That is their national mentality - migrate and turn places into Turkey.
>How dumb are you? Turks in the 2nd and 3rd generation as migrants won't allow their sisters/cousins/daughters/etc. to have vaginal sex and you think you will go to Istanbul and hook up with Turkish women on Tinder? Far as I know they only do anal and oral to preserve their hymen but I doubt they would do it with a foreigner or that hotel staff would let you bring in a Turkish women to defile.
Turk here, I'm always amused by the confident commentary of clueless western morons who never step foot in here and get their travel knowledge from youtube videos and onşine articles. Must be nice having the answer to everything in your own head bahah
Just mention being american or european.
Are you pretending that I am wrong in my contention that fake secular Turks just like other muslim nations that Westerners can't visit Turkey and have casual vaginal sex with natives? Because they need an intact hymen for marriage even among fake secular circles.
Turkish modernization(like that of other muslim societies) is very selective, they only want the technology and riches of the West and they reject even most core Western Enlightenment values(I am not talking about the current globalhomo values that should be rejected). To wit:
>"The theme that a patriotic Turk should try to achieve a balance between the benefits of the West and the East by opting for adopting the science and technology of the former and the spirituality of the latter is repeated quite often in the schooling system designed by the educational establishment in Turkey. This difficult endeavour is almost like a mission for every patriotic Turk. Hence, it is possible to argue that since the days of the early Westernization efforts, the Turkish psyche has been burdened with the difficult task of achiev- ing a balance between the Western civilization and the Turkish culture.
>"A preoccupation with this balance between modernity and tradition, Western materialism and Eastern spirituality as well as Civilization -- based on the premises of Enlightenment -- and Culture -- based on the premises of Romanticism -- is a recurring theme accompanying Turkish modernization. ...
... "While on the one hand, there were those intellectuals and politicians who opted for a social reconstruction by way of reversion to Seriat (Islamic law), there were those who staunchly supported the idea of Westernization, on the other. ... Yet, he[Gokalp] envisaged a middle road in the tradition of Namik Kemal: `that only the material civilization of Europe should be taken and not its non-material aspects'.(21)" ...
>The Paradox of Turkish Nationalism and the Construction of Official Identity by Ayşe Kadioğlu
>Are you pretending that I am wrong in my contention that fake secular Turks just like other muslim nations that Westerners can't visit Turkey and have casual vaginal sex with natives?
This is the most common mistake amerimutts make, they put every ME country in one category, for example, at night you will see gay and female escorts in Taksim square next to police because they dont care. Foreigners always flex on how easy it is to pick up turkish girls and fuck them because they are desperate to come to the west. its not that easy for arabs and poos but i wouldnt fuck arabs and poos either. You have to be a massive incel to not score here
>Because they need an intact hymen for marriage even among fake secular circles.
Hymen reconstruction surgeries are very popular
>Turkish modernization(like that of other muslim societies) is very selective, they only want the technology and riches
We are the only ME country besides israel where homosexuality and prostitution is legal. You using "globohomo" suggests that you also unfortunately are affected by backwards Christcuck puritan beliefs. If you live in the West you should allow yourself to be enlightened my friend. It shouldnt take a backwards turk to tell you to open your mind and catch up to the modern world haha
there wasnt even a religion lesson until like 2008, it was banned to get inside public institutions with a headscarf. I actually saw it in European countries, not here. You were labelled "ignorant" or a "villager" if you wore one.
Yes, I already knew that fake secular Turks are obsessed with trying to portray their country as modern, European and secular, while it is not. Matter of fact the founder of your only atheist organization is currently claiming asylum in Canada after incessant death threats and constant legal problems:
https://www.onurromano.com/
Were the Ottomans secular because they took white European women as sex slaves? The same is happening now. Mostly Eastern Europeans due to the rapid economic collapse the West forced on them, have been reduced to their women becoming one of the biggest global prostitute demographics -- even in a country like Turkey. Anyway in UAE for sure(and likely Bahrain), the Arab bedouins in their absolutist monarchies allow prostitution because like Turkey no Arab women is a prostitute. If most prostitutes in Turkey were Turkish women, they would have banned prostitution.
Actually BBC did a whole program on sex and prostitution in Turkey. They interviewed one of the very few ethnically Turkish female prostitutes and she said the Turkish population is so ignorant about sex, many men try to penetrate via the bellybutton and not a woman's vagina! They also covered a trans Turk(mtf) who works as a prostitute and caught some male Turks admiring "it" and the BBC presenter tried to dialogue and the admirers pretended that they were straight and not attracted to men. See:
>https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03kszyy
Article:
>https://en.protothema.gr/turkish-men-try-to-have-sex-with-wives-belly-button-says-turkish-sex-worker-picsvideo/
Kemalists banned headscarves in the public sphere more because of the fact political Islam is a threat to their powerbase and rule as we have seen. Not because of secularism. Fake Turkish secularism always imposed and favored Sunni Islam over Alevis, garden gnomes, Christians, atheists, etc., which is why the AKP now rules as a natural outgrowth of Turkey's pseudo-secularism.
United Kingdom or Sweden
Qatar or Dubai. Both are pretty neat. If you're an engineer it's like a mecca of engineering marvel.
Dubai and Qatar are the meccas of garish stupidity and wanton waste. They are just pissing their oil wealth away on vanity projects. They make American cities seem not car centric.
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