Good US cities for 20 somethings?

I'm finally moving out from my mom's house at 24, but I don't know where to go. Any recommendations? I'm looking mostly in the USA.
Looking for
>somewhere with 4 seasons
>A sizable white population
>good amount of social opportunities.
>A decent ratio of Females to Males in the city

If it has good outdoor activities nearby that's a bonus. If the city has girls who are into more straight laced, career focused guys that's also a bonus.

Most USA cities seem to suck so I don't know if there's many that would meet these requirements here. I'm going to visit the city first before I move there, I just want to narrow the list down first.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Salt Lake City and convert to Mormonism bro

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Salt Lake City
      This seems to be a great suggestion, I know there is plenty of outdoor things to do out there, and the landscape is pretty. I don't know much about the salt lake itself, but I assume that allows for boating and swimming too. I think I prefer a less arid climate but that's just nitpicking

      >convert to Mormonism
      I wouldn't do this though. Would that affect dating? I know there's a sizable ex-mormon population there too, but my intution tells me they are probably more likely to be shaved head lesbians and communists.

      Sioux Falls

      >Sioux Falls
      Interesting. pretty but it's pretty small, small than where I'm coming from in fact. So I'm concerned about whether it provides the social opportunities I'm looking for. Weather is cold but to my surprise it does get pretty hot in the summer. I'm from Florida so doubtless the population skews younger there comparatively, and I imagine it's not extremely leftist either which are both points in its favor. I will probably shelve this suggestion though due to the population size

      You want a really big one? Chicago or Philly? I personally think NYC is a little too much. Better be prepared for it to be a little rough around the edges in these cities nowadays though.

      >Chicago and NYC
      I've visited both Chicago and NYC for brief stretches of time visiting friends. From what I saw, I enjoyed both cities. The absolute noise and chaos of Manhattan can be fun, but after 3 days in row I had to go to New Jersey for some relative quiet.

      I am already planning to spend longer periods of time in both cities to get a better appreciation for both. I prefer NYC as a whole, but Chicago has some points in it's favor as a place to live. It has a better waterfront (plenty of beaches!) and better transportation into the city. It's a little less cosmopolitan than New York, which lends the city a more regional identity. Most importantly, Chicago is noticeably cheaper than New York, which might be the deciding factor all in it's own. Either way I can get great Italian food in either.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sioux Falls

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You want a really big one? Chicago or Philly? I personally think NYC is a little too much. Better be prepared for it to be a little rough around the edges in these cities nowadays though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Philly
      I always made fun of this city but I've never been. I've always seen it as a dangerous place that has been ignored in recent decades. I don't know how accurate that is to be honest, and if I can like Chicago as dangerous as that city can be, maybe I could enjoy Philly too. I assume it's cheaper compared to NYC, otherwise I wouldn't see much incentive to pick it over that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've never been, I've heard it was dangerous too, but you hear some people swear by it like Shane Gillis. I heard the suburbs areas are safe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And yeah, the suburbs are safe and probably some of the nicest in the country.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          as a 20 something that currently lives in Philly and is moving out to another city for single 20 somethings, its a pretty good place to relocate to.
          There is crime, and yes Kensington looks as bad as the videos, but its only really that bad in Kensington. There's part of North Philly I'd avoid, as well as parts of West Philly, but beyond that, it's just a less cramped version of New York with more green spaces.
          It's a big college town, and I'd say the food is some of the best in the country, at least for the money that you spend. There are random bars in Center City that have better food for $15 dollars than you'd find in Vegas for $40.
          You're within two hours of New York and DC if you're looking to travel, and the airport there has a decent amount of international and US based flights.
          Also, if you're into history, there's a lot of museum and monument here about the American Revolution, the Constitution, Benjamin Franklin, and many other figures and events that are central to the founding of the US.
          I think it would be a shock to you if you lived in some small majority white city out in the Midwest, but if you're from somewhere more cosmopolitan, then you'd have a good time.
          Summers are hot and humid. Winters are cold and wet, or cold and snowy. But snow has become scarce in the past few years.
          Lots of parades, there's usually always something going on downtown. Plenty of bars and clubs to wander into. Lots of places to work also if you're into finance or tech.
          >Why am I leaving?
          Lived here my entire life. It's a great city, and it'll always be home but I want a change of scenery. Also, there is a city tax on top of the state tax, which is something to consider if you work remotely or are getting job in the city.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Characterizing Philly as a big college town is off base. The majority of this city is black and will never take a single college course.

            Anyway, where are you going?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              One of these
              >Tennessee
              >Florida
              >New Hampshire
              >Nevada

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            North Philly and West Philly are terrible but South Philly isn’t great either.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The city tax is so stupid because there are so many people with high incomes who just live in Conshohocken, King of Prussia, Baal Cynwyd, etc. just to avoid the tax.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When I did financial advising, I noticed there were a lot of clients who lived in King of Prussia. Now I know why

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s part of it but it’s also because there’s a lot of inter-generational wealth in the main line.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Philly in general is a terrible city but you can have a good experience living there if you know what you’re doing. It is comparable to New York and Chicago but smaller and cheaper. Pennsylvania is a decent state. Chicago is better than Philadelphia but Pennsylvania is better than Illinois.

        Philly is the best choice for Northeast. Get an apartment near Rittenhouse square

        Better choices would be Spring Garden, Fairmount, maybe East Falls, Manayunk. Rittenhouse, Washington Square, Center City, Society Hill, Old City, etc. are okay. Avoid Northern Liberties and Fishtown.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Philly is the best choice for Northeast. Get an apartment near Rittenhouse square

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m torn between Philadelphia and New York myself, but I’m older than you and I briefly lived in Philadelphia when I was younger.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boston if you have any education/money.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please don't listen to him, I lived in Boston during my college years. While I love it, there's not much to do once you graduate. Dating is not bad but the nightlife is fucking tragic. It's why being in a frat is of the utmost importance if you go to a Boston-area school.

      The subway stops running at 1am and last call is at 1:30, that should tell you everything you need to know. You're honestly better off going to New York. It mogs Boston in every respect, and the prices are comparable, so there's really no excuse unless you absolutely have to choose Boston, like if you got into med school there or got a job at Bain Capital or something.

      It's a glorified large town. Not even a million people in an ecksbawks huge city proper. It will begin to feel hopelessly small and provincial after a year or two if you are in any way well-traveled enough to know what a real big city is. You can live for years in New York and still discover new things to do. But how many times can you shop at the Prudential or Quincy Market with your gf before you start to get tired of the same old shit in little Boston?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh nightlife, muh shopping

        Get a hobby you boring fuck 8nstead of going out drinking and consuming with all the other npc druggies

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Get a hobby you boring fuck 8nstead of going out drinking and consuming with all the other npc druggies
          How did I know that one of you gays would come out with something like this?
          In my day, I loved catching live music in the basement of the Middle East up in Central Square, or watching a midnight screening of The Room at the Coolidge Corner theater, or having authentic European food at L'Espalier and Dolce Vita.
          The point is I'm not some boring turbonormie, it's actually just that you can find anything there is to find in Boston in New York, except more of it, and better, with more variety.
          The only way I see myself living in Boston these days is if I wanted to raise a family in a city that's walkable. Boston is pretty much the only place that would be feasible for that in America since it is a lot more laid-back and safe than New York.
          Contrarianism is actually just a low-effort way of fashioning yourself as special and somehow different from other people, how about you actually work on yourself and stop posting here until your balls drop and you realize that shopping and going out are things that interesting people can enjoy too.
          OP did say he wanted a city that would be a good place for a guy in his 20's to live in, Boston is definitely not that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Muh dating muh nightlife muh restaurants muh walkable cities muh shopping

            You aren't a man you are a consumer of whatever slop you are told to but you think better than other npcs because it's a higher grade of slop and the only way you are measuring the city is the variety of slop so obviously a bigger city is better to you. You are a male version of a roastie riding the cock carosel

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            New York sucks. Sure you have unique things there. Where in Boston are you going to find an East Nigerian restaurant, a gay leather puppy fetish coffee shop or a deconstructivist postcolonial art museum? OP seems like a normal person though that just wants to get laid with out a lot of effort and enjoy being physically young and active. Boston is those things. Boston is easily impressed college girls you meet at bars. Boston is close to the coast. NY is close to Jersey City. Boston isn't cheap but has decent selection of stores and modern apartments. Forget living somewhere that isn't a 5th floor walk up in New York built in 1905 unless you're a partner at Goldman Sachs. Boston also smells much better and has a better racial balance.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I personally really disliked NYC when I visited. It had such a negative, claustrophobic, angry vibe that made it seem like anyone who wasn't born there would want to escape. Don't get me wrong, it was cool how it was on the cutting edge of cutting edge, and there was endless things to do, but it seemed like more of a place to visit than live in, unless you were really enamored by the city

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope you like subwoofers.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It depends entirely on what you want to do with your life like how you’ll spend your time and effort. If you just move to some city to enjoy the city it will be nice for a while and then you’ll be miserable. Worrying too much about where is a cope for having no what how or why.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're right but black people are fucking loud.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, this is the thing then. If you’re not from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Missouri, or Michigan, I can’t see what exactly would bring you to Philadelphia, Baltimore, St. Louis, or Detroit so the concern is misplaced.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why
      Where I live there is a small professional class and likewise a small proportion of 20-30 year olds. The 20 somethings I do meet tend to be drug addicts, ne'er do wells, and aimless. I can't relate to these people very well. I would like to move somewhere I can interact with more likeminded people.

      Also, whenever I seek events for the weekend or money-making opportunities I often have to drive 30-80 minutes to pursue them. It's stopped me more than a couple of times.

      >how you’ll spend your time and effort
      I have a decent amount of hobbies to pursue already that could occupy my time anywhere. I go to the gym, practice music, and have been studying foreign languages (Greek + Italian).

      One advantage of moving is the climate. I'd like to spend more time walking (parks/trails/etc.) and it's unbearably hot here for 2/3rd the year. Anything besides the beach is uncomfortable to do for most of the year. I would rather be somewhere cooler with a city park that I can walk around. But as I've said in the OP, somewhere with outdoors activities within driving distance would be excellent.

      >Worrying too much about where is a cope
      I'm trying to avoid regret about this choice as much as possible. I have only lived briefly in a big city before, therefore I'm trying my best to imagine what qualities I am looking for. Price is going to be a big factor too, I am plenty aware of that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you only care about your hobbies? You don’t care about what you do for work or anything like that?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe I didn't mention it yet, but I'm working remotely and will continue to work the same job

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where are you from?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              SW Florida.

              I might look at Miami or surrounding cities (like Ft. Lauderdale) on the Atlantic side despite not having the weather I like (or being that white in miami, but hispanic girls like me), simply for it being not too far and having a nice social scene. However, I don't feel warmly towards moving to Tampa, Orlando, or Jacksonville

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re pretty young so you can do what you want honestly. I’d try Miami-Ft. Lauderdale if I were you. I’d also consider New York just because it’s New York.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Baton Rouge, LA

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      red pill me on Baton Rouge

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Denver.

    There's a reason it's one of the youngest cities in the country (I think Austin and SF are the other top 3). Colorado is full of 20 somethings because dude, weed and snowboarding and this includes a lot of girls with rich parents and "daddy issues" if you catch my drift.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's been a few years since I've been there, so I might be out of date, but if I were going to move back to the US, I would move to Chattanooga. I used to go there a lot for work, and it seems like a nice place with a reasonable cost of living where one could easily meet a white woman with good values.

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