how do i move and stay in thailand long term?
i was reading their visa bull shit and wtf. just let me live there you dumb third world pieces of shit
how do i move and stay in thailand long term? i was reading their visa bull shit and wtf.
how do i move and stay in thailand long term?
i was reading their visa bull shit and wtf. just let me live there you dumb third world pieces of shit
marry a local
Can't you just do border runs to Vietnam every 90 days? They make it even easier if you're generous.
what are the rules around it? why isn’t it 6-12 months? god why are these third worlders so fucking retarded. do they really not want american money?
You get 60 days when you arrive at the airport. Then you go to an immigration office and they extend it another 30 days. After 30 days you take a day trip to Vietnam. There you get a "visa on arrival" to enter Vietnam. Then you wait in line again to reenter Thailand. Boom, another 60 days. The Thai immigration office is probably not what you expect and is surprisingly efficient. Staying in Thailand for years is easy as long as you aren't extremely lazy.
As for why it isn't longer? You know the US should demand that it get better entry options than the EU passport holders but Americans don't travel overseas enough to know better.
yeah i’m sorry but i can’t do that. thanks for the advice but i just can’t pack up and leave the country every 2-3 months.
It really doesn't get any easier anywhere else unless you have passive income. If you have dividend income, social security or VA disability then look into the category F Cyprus visa. All together, this situation in Thailand has the lowest requirements for nomads .
mexico is 6 months isnt it
This is one of those situations like internet speeds where the words "up to" rear their ugly heads but technically maybe. Less likely these days though.
As an American, you can stay in Mexico for six months (or 180 days) at a time with a "visitor's visa" — everyone over age 16 who travels to Mexico with a US passport automatically enjoys this option. You will be given this document before you arrive in the country (either via plane or at a border crossing).
just the first result on google
Uh huh. The first time. But you will be a "Perpetual visitor". Go look at the changes announced like a week ago for people like you. Do you not know about how butt hurt Hispanics in Mexico are getting about the "gentrification" of Mexico City?
ok if i am a digital nomad how do i go to a third world country without all this stupid bull shit? i have big american money i should just be able to stay in their shit holes.
From what I've been told Estonia is one of the better deals but I'm not a digital nomad or an American.
Third world countries want tourists who are spending money on resorts, tours, and souvenir shit. They want you as a retarded tourist who gets scammed and blows all their money. Not digital nomads who are buying cheap food, finding cheap accommodations, and basically living like locals.
why not? we would still have more money than thai people
Because they don't know if you're going to be spending all that money. These countries tend to be xenophobic and see foreigners as walking piggy banks. If you're spending barely more than a local, they have no reason to want you in their country for a long time. Worst, you could be a begpacker and be a burden to their society. That's why if you actually had money and wanted to stay for a long time, they offer expensive long term visa options.
retard logic if people were rich they wouldn’t move to thailand. no wonder their country is a mess.
Is that so? If I was fuck you rich I'd be staying at the Melia in Koh Samui at least most of the year.
rich people can just afford a tropical mansion close to family and not have to beg asiatics to live in the third world
What's the point of this exactly? You aren't rich. Thailand offers an elite visa for this exact sort of person; no begging required. You on the other hand just want to reduce your cost of living while working remotely. Why are you talking like you're some bigshot? If you've got over 300k burning a hole in your pocket, you can get a permanent residence in most places. Just go try it for a while and see if it's even worth the effort. You're mad cause these asiatics aren't begging you to stay but dude the Thai are so fucking nice that once you go you'll be much less frustrated with them. Or maybe you'll hate it but I doubt it.
Why would they care how much money you have if most likely you're only going to rent a reasonably priced comfy condo, eat tasty reasonably priced food and enjoy reasonably priced entertainment? If you go there to achieve that cheap upper middle class lifestyle they simply aren't going to extract a lot of money from you.
Permanent residence in Mexico you only need to show you have $100k in the bank, after 5 years you c an get a passport
https://residencies.io/residency/mexico/permanent-residency/mx4
Mexicans are so fucking stupid and hypocritical it's insane. They flood over the fucking US border and ruin American cities with their illegal immigration like subhuman animals, but if you attempt to legally immigrate to Mexico they lose their absolute fucking shit that you are gentrifying their country and pricing them out of the nice parts of their big cities. Too fucking bad Pablo, your twelve cousins shit up Texas so now there's no difference to me between living in El Paso and Mexico City aside from one being way fucking cheaper! You reap what you sow you beaner prick, but that's okay you can go live in a smaller Mexican city on the outskirts of Mexico City and commute in daily for work like people in America and Canada have to.
Who said anything about packing up?
You can leave your things where you live and just take some essentials for wherever you're going on the visa run.
And then you get denied re-entry and your belongings are stranded in Pattaya
>And then you get denied re-entry
doesn't happen, thousands of people do border runs every single day in thailand
its a big source of revenue for them and the border countries
you have to have seriously fucked up to get denied re-entry
its almost unheard of to be denied at land borders, since you might be stranded there and then its somebodies problem
>And then you get denied re-entry
>doesn't happen, thousands of people do border runs every single day in thailand
This is horseshit, almost 100% wrong. The second part is kind of true; people do of course do border runs daily. But they don’t/can’t do them forever, and they are regularly told to stop it, including but not before being denied entry.
>its a big source of revenue for them and the border countries
More nonsense. Ordinary tourist visas and ordinary tourist spends are a comparatively minor source of revenue. Rich tourists like those buying the 5-year “Elite” visas are a slightly larger source of revenue, investor visas larger still. But the biggest revenue is always going to come from people using non-immigrant visas, working locally, and paying taxes.
>you have to have seriously fucked up to get denied re-entry
Or you have to overstay or come back too many times. It’s actually quite easy.
>its almost unheard of to be denied at land borders,
Again, this is nearly 100% wrong.
>since you might be stranded there and then its somebodies problem
There’s some truth here, but they make specific provisions to avoid it.
The video below is a little old, and this lawyer is uncharismatic and awkward, but unlike you, he knows what he’s talking about.
In the interest of full disclosure, while I don’t know this guy myself, one of several attorneys I do know who work in Thailand does know him, so he’s technically kind of a friend of a friend. But I am not shilling for him, I just think his perspectives are be useful for people with an interest in staying in Thailand.
…and yeah, there are lots of typos in my post above; apologies for what look like grammatical errors. I’m phoneposting while taking a shit. But people who think you can bounce back and forth across the border forever and get away with it are misinformed.
For Americans, isn't it 45 days on arrival through visa exemption? Do you have to apply separately at the airport for a 60day visa? I'm not seeing it on their website.
> For Americans, isn't it 45 days on arrival through visa exemption?
Yep, since last fall it’s been 45 days, with the option to add an additional month in-country, for the visa exemption.
>Do you have to apply separately at the airport for a 60day visa? I'm not seeing it on their website.
They were doing 60 day “special visas” (on arrival, maybe?) back when you still had to quarantine. Completely different from the 45-day visa exemptions, which you get automatically when showing up by air and don’t have to pay for.
You can still buy a 60-day tourist visa, but you have to do it in advance at an embassy or consulate (or have a travel agent do it for you if you are lazy or unable to locate an embassy or consulate). Can’t be done on arrival. Can also be extended once by 30 days before you have to leave the country to repeat the process, like the visa exemption.
Officially, however, neither of these things can be done indefinitely. In both cases, you’re only officially entitled to do it twice in a row in a given year, giving you a total of either 150 or 180 days in country in a given year. Subsequent returns are still possible at the discretion of immigration and border control officials, but the standard now appears to be that they’ll let you in a third time with a warning that they’re not doing it again. It’s also possible just to be refused entry on your third try.
I guess some people are still getting lucky and pulling it off for a longer period, but it’s not like the 90s when people stayed for years and years just on exemptions.
Officially you’re only allowed to do this twice in a row now. Enforcement is, as always, irregular and sporadic. But people absolutely do get denied entry.
>25 bucks per Viet visa with a bothersome approval process
>land crossing so limited to twice a year
Just get a flight to KL or something, it'll end up cheaper. AirAsia is like a bus service from DMK, they fly a gorillion times per day and you don't even have to book in advance, it's still dirt cheap.
Why does everyone on this site talk about visa runs like it's a sure thing? I was in Vietnam for years and I met plenty of cocky foreigners who thought the same way only to get denied after a couple of times. Do not rely on it working long term.
> Why does everyone on this site talk about visa runs like it's a sure thing?
I think people are using bad/old information they either get from other forums or, frankly, just sort of think they heard someplace. I don’t think anyone is speaking from personal experience apart from one or two people with atypical, unusually long Covid-extension experiences.
I was in Thailand for years with real local jobs (and as a grad student with a legitimate university affiliation doing dissertation research on non-fraudulent education visas before that), and it hasn’t been a sure thing there in literal decades. People do get lucky or slip under the radar, and there’s a small portfolio of dishonest ways to get away with staying longer than the government wants you to without a good reason, but it’s inherently precarious. And at least in Thailand’s case, enforcement has always been sporadic (even back when it was a lot easier), so there’s always been an element of chance involved in knowing when your time will run out.
You will NEVER be a travelchad.
not looking at your mumbling heavily pierced nagger MONKEY for more than 2 seconds, you retard
get that shit out of here
>seething because i can't travel
Anon, if you don't have a couple hundred for a passport you have bigger problems. Don't get assblasted by minorities doing what your supposedly triple-digit IQ-having self can't.
The last great dodgy visa scam appears to be the year-long visas that some language schools are still offering. You will be required to actually attend a few hours of language class every week (the school signs off on your visa, so it’s not likely you can fake or skip this), and check in with immigration every month, but ever since the pandemic started it’s been possible to do this without leaving the country (you used to get shorter visas that had to be renewed abroad when going through a private language school).
The immigration authorities have been complaining about these programs for several years now, and friends in the know in Bangkok are confident that its days are numbered. But it’s still possible at least for now.
Otherwise, your long-term stay options are an investor visa (good for a year at a time, renewable indefinitely as long as the value of your investment portfolio never dips below ten million baht at renewal time), marrying a local, enrolling in a real school (university), or starting a business that employs Thai people.
There’s a new ten-year visa program that’s just been rolled out, as well, but it’s extremely expensive. And there used to be a VIP 5-year visa for something like $20K that included goofy perks like concierge services and airport priority lanes, but I’m not sure if they’ve axed it yet.
education visas are now under intense scrutiny because they were used by chink mafia to stay in the country and a lot of them got busted recently
They’ve always been used essentially dishonestly. They’ve been talking about getting rid of them for several years. The one-year thing was actually only a recent innovation from the last few years; previously private language schools could only issue visas for three months at a time, theoretically renewable for up to a year, but in practice rarely for more than 90 days. Immigration always liked it better that way because it was harder for people to work illegally.
>the school signs off on your visa, so it’s not likely you can fake or skip this
lol dunno about Thailand but in Canada you absolutely can, there are "schools" that you can buy PR from because studying in Canada = free guaranteed Permanent Resident status. So you pay them money and you don't even have to show up to classes, they just say you did. You spend your time working your job (you can work in Canada while on a studying "visa"/PR) and you've cheated the system and immigrated to Canada, couldn't be easier. It's that easy to get into a first world country so it's understandable people think it should be that easy to get into a third world one.
I'm sure some of the schools are, or were, corrupt--I doubt the Chinese mafiosi abusing the system as mentioned above were actually attending many Thai classes, and Thailand is generally at least a moderately corrupt place. But Thai immigration is actually unusually stringent, in part because authorities have been unhappy for decades with the fact that the country has such a long history of attracting lowlifes, scumbags, and perverts. And education-visa abuse has been problematic since the beginning--I don't think anyone living in Thailand on a one-year education visa from a language school actually moved to Thailand to learn Thai, and they know it, so they've been talking about cracking down for some time now.
OP, besides being a homosexual, are you perhaps israeli or a teenager fantasizing about living abroad? You give the weirdest objections in the most bitter tone which I associate with israelites and teens.
no, but i am trans if that matters
elite visa 15k
600.000 baht 5 years
ain’t nobody paying 15k to live in thailand
If I didn't hold all my crypto all the way down I would unironically pay 15k to live in Thailand
ditto. i want to kill myself every-fucking-day. its so sickening. 15k wouldnt have even raised my pulse; it was less than my daily variance.
takes me 3 months to earn 15k. step up poorfag, if you're going to scrape and scrape your way into and around Thailand you might as well just be poor in your own country where you may enjoy legal representation. In thailand, no money, no honey- no money? fuck off, you're on your own
Why are there so many poorfags on this board, just go learn ukelele and become a begpacker
t. in debt
Autists can't do anything in front of a crowd
>walk into UK from pakistan
>stay forever
>get job and money + have people defending for you to stay
>go to SEA where you are a white king with wealth
>asked to leave constantly
Why? Do they hate money or something? It's doing your country a favor
All countries hate immigrants taking away their jobs and land, it's just that Europeans and North Americans aren't allowed to do anything against it.
this. 60 years of israelites making immigrant and ~~*human rights*~~ laws, people like Frank Soskice and their shabbos goys like Ellen Fairclough
> Why? Do they hate money or something? It's doing your country a favor
They love big money that’s going to stay in the country and contribute to local industries in a serious way. They have their own middle-class taxpayers, literal
millions of them, to spend the kind of chump change laptop hobos are spreading around.
fucking third world retarded bugs. hope they die.
Thais unironically hate white people and they were never cucked by colonialism so they actually hate you fuckers. Pakis and Indians lick the ground whites walk one because they are cucked beyond belief
5 year golden visa is a few thousand dollars you retarded wojakposting nagger.
But of course you can't afford it.
not what i read. google says it’s 20k which defeats the entire purpose.
Yeah, 20k is only a few thousand dollars, fucking poorfag. Jesus these basement dwelling incel coomers are so pathetic. This is clearly a bait thread. Mods, do your jobs.
it’s 20k usd. dumb angry incel.
I know. If you don't have 20k USD to drop, then why are you claiming that you have money. Since you're broke, I recommend you become an esl teacher. Then you can earn some money and stay long term through a work visa.
20k over 5 years is nothing wtf
If you can't manage to scrounge up 4k a year, you have way bigger problems to worry about. Moving to Thailand is the least of your worries.
20k usd is quite a lot to any euro and will take a lot of scrounging to reach
I stayed 10 months thanks to covid extension visas. now that scheme is over I fucked of to the Philippines, 3 year visa and they speak english. comfy. fuck thailand
what's the monthly cost for reasonably comfy stay? Thailand does piss me off with this shit
if you want western standard, no favelas, no beggars, no dirt, it'll be slightly more expensive than TH. if you are ok exiting your western condo into dirty streets it's cheaper than TH. I dunno the costs for "reasonable comfy stay" since I make good money. staying in BGC
Just left Thailand after 6 months. Education visa is your answer. You sign up for an English course (that’s right it doesn’t have to be Thai) get a 1 year visa and there you go.
Be warned the place is absolutely flooded with Russians. In Phuket there are more Russians than Thais. I am not even joking.
Not OP, but what were your accommodations for those 6 months? Where in Thailand did you stay? Looking to live there for only about 3 months, so I'm wondering what cheap options are available for short term
Nice, Russians are awesome
No, those are not the cool Russians that are total bros, it's mostly liberals and other fifth column types.
>just let me live there you dumb third world pieces of shit
they don't need you or your (pitiful amount of) money anymore