How do remote workers hiding the fact that they're overseas handle taxes?

How do remote workers hiding the fact that they're overseas handle taxes? Will the host country find out you're working if you live there for for >6 months? Last thing I'd want is to have some random country send a letter to my employer about payroll taxes or some shit.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why aren't you self-employed?

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you're getting paid locally there's no way for them to find out bar informing them yourself. There's no scenario where they contact your employer for taxes but if they have reason to believe 1) you are working and 2) are actually liable for taxes they may attempt to bother you.

    If you're on a w2 there's no tax benefit to be gained by living overseas and you'll just have to deal with that. If 1099 you can claim foreign exclusion (assuming eligible) and be exempt up to ~125k income

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can still avoid taxes if you are paying taxes in the country you're living in on. It isn't just a 1099 thing

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What I mean is you cant claim FEIE on a w2. Not that you have to pay taxes in the foreign country. As a DN you basically have to be moronic to end up paying foreign taxes unless you get a DN visa somewhere that it’s deliberately part of the agreement

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What I mean is you cant claim FEIE on a w2. Not that you have to pay taxes in the foreign country. As a DN you basically have to be moronic to end up paying foreign taxes unless you get a DN visa somewhere that it’s deliberately part of the agreement

        Oh I guess I misread your post. You mean you can claim paid foreign taxes as a deduction against US taxable income right? Yes. but still pretty sure no FEIE afaik

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I work remotely for a tech company but I wanna live in Japan for a year, I'm also trying to figure out how to do this without anyone knowing. I can use my friends address as my home address. From my company's point of view that's my tax address and I never left the country. From Japan's view it doesn't matter as I'd be on a working holiday visa and am just a tourist who isn't working, so no need to file anything.

      I'm more concerned about the implication from my home government. I guess they would have records I had the visa and left the country, but can I just file like I never left and pay the appropriate taxes? Would any eyebrows be raised? I mean it's not like I'd owe more to them for not living here.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        also yeah I need to do this because my company won't let me live abroad for tax purposes

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know two people who do this with remote tech jobs and they've never had an issue. Although they move around every few months; they don't just stay in one country.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >can I just file like I never left and pay the appropriate taxes?
        yes. you just do what you you would do if you were living in your home country in regards to tax. if you don't try and get out of paying tax then there is no issue. if you are trying to minimise tax then you need to workaround quite a lot of things.
        if your employer is doing the regular actions and you do the regular actions then there is nothing to worry about.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      with all the AML/KYC laws now they could find out. the trick is to never become a tax resident by jumping from tourist visa to another

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        AML/KYC laws? You mean for the VPN? Don't use NordVPN or another commercial VPN provider that defeats the purpose of using one in the first place.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What AML/KYC laws or procedure would lead to what is ostensibly a tourist being flagged for owing taxes? I already said don't get paid into a local bank account

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      > If you're on a w2 there's no tax benefit to be gained by living overseas

      Depends. If you aren’t already living in an income tax free state then declaring residency there before jumping overseas can give you a 10% pay bump.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, but thats not an advantage of living overseas, thats an advantage of residence in a tax-free state

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well, you get all the benefits of living in a place like South Dakota without actually having to live in South Dakota.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Better yet you can get both + FEIE by being an overseas 1099. But I digress...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you’re Canadian you’re usually still considered a tax resident even if you spend most of the year outside of the country.

      I did have a lawyer in Bogotá tell me not to worry about it, but to be honest the cost of living is so low in Colombia I wouldn’t even mind paying taxes there.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol you're funny anon. god i love how moronic people really are.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Will the host country find out you're working if you live there for for >6 months?
    Generally you need a proper Visa to actually live there that long. Nomads generally avoid staying the 183 days required to trigger tax residency, making this point moot. They'll do 90 days in Country A, 90 days in Country B, 90 days in Country A (180 total) and then another 90 in Country B (180 total)
    Throw in 5 days of vacation in Country C to round out the year and you're good.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      with all the AML/KYC laws now they could find out. the trick is to never become a tax resident by jumping from tourist visa to another

      I already know about hopping every few months to avoid tax residency, but what if you want to live in one country for a full year?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      most of the countries don't care about muh tax residency
      Thailand is a good example
      you can also stay legally continuously in Thailand for 365 days in a year without working there, and they still don't care how much you're earning abroad
      only thing they are care about is that you are bringing money to their economy from abroad

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just use your parents' address

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brownish people didn't wear clothes back thenz

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hiding the fact that they're overseas handle taxes
    so you're lying to your company but you're being honest with the government?
    what's the point? why not lie to both? i mean you're already going to hell

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Call a tax lawyer and ask the tax questions. Don't rely on SighSee to give you tax advice.

    On a technical aspect you need a VPN, your employer can probably see if you're accessing their services from Japan.

    A VPN service provider may be flagged as a VPN so get creative. Make sure you configure your DNS as well and set the timezone on your computer to your home timezone.

    Also goes without saying, but use a background filter for your video calls.

    Why not go on holiday somewhere first for two weeks and see how that goes?

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Will the host country find out you're working if you live there for for >6 months?
    This issue with staying longer than tourist visas allow is you'll usually need to apply for some other type of visa where the country will want info about your employment or finances. Their main reason for this info is so they know you wont be a financial burden on their welfare system, secondarily is to collect tax, but some countries won't bother with this if you don't make it easy for them (no local bank accounts or registered assets). If you can stay somewhere you can do visa runs or illegal immigration with just a slap on the wrist and not give them any info about you that's always safest.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be digital nomad
    >have home address back in US
    >for taxes have turbotax import my shit from work
    >pay taxes if I owe them
    >don't attempt tat bullshit 4d chess to be "tax free"
    >don't give uncle sam or work reason to know or care that I am in another country working
    >no one gives a shit
    >been doing this +4 years

    The only people who are going to shoot themselves in the foot and get caught or in trouble are the ones trying to tax loophole for some break on paying, or act like you just aren't still WFH. If you're trying to max pay by living abroad through a potential tax break for being abroad, you're doing it wrong.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are tax treaties so you don't play double taxes.

      The concern isn't about minimizing taxes. It's specifically the fact that many countries have employer taxes, and a single email is enough to expose to your boss that you're out of the country. A lot of DN's just hop around on tourist visas and say they aren't working, but how effective is that if you stay for over 6-months and establish tax residency? I want to live somewhere for a year.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I want to live somewhere for a year.
        Need to go somewhere with super generous tourist visas like Mexico.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Get a student visa for private language classes

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >go to [country] for maximum length of tourist visa
        >go back to America for a week
        >return to [country]
        Is there some problem I'm not seeing here?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Is there some problem I'm not seeing here?
          increasingly fewer tourist visas reset like that, most want you out for 90 days or something like that

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        > a single email is enough to expose to your boss that you're out of the country
        No it's fricking not no one is going to care about you checking email. Unless you are literally working for a bank/government agency that has systems to inspect that no one is schizo enough to go HMM BETTER LOOK AT THE EMAIL HEADERS!
        >A lot of DN's just hop around on tourist visas and say they aren't working, but how effective is that if you stay for over 6-months and establish tax residency?
        As someone who is a DN, it's about being nomadic that means traveling to other countries on a somewhat regular basis. If I just wanted to lower my cost of living to something great I'd move to Lubbock or the great plains and get a cheap house to the equity+low cost of living, but decent infrastructure.
        > I want to live somewhere for a year.
        That's great but realistically this gets boring and you'll want to change somewhere, honestly 6 months is enough to get the most out of all countries. Some have working holiday visa programs or student visa systems that bypass the tax requirements.

        My lifestyle is
        >Japan in spring
        >Europe for rainyseason/summer
        >Korea/Jeju for late summer
        >Japan for fall/winter
        >PH or KR for the fricking cold shits of winter
        It keeps me from just falling into a routine where I'm basically going "working at home :|, working place! :O" because that shit does happen as a DN and will make some people full of regret for wasting time.

        >go to [country] for maximum length of tourist visa
        >go back to America for a week
        >return to [country]
        Is there some problem I'm not seeing here?

        Flying back to the US is long and boring, you can simply fly to a neighboring country or something close for cheap to do a visa reset. Most the time you want to do more than a week as that raises eyebrows but it;s not exactly impossible

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >No it's fricking not no one is going to care about you checking email. Unless you are literally working for a bank/government agency that has systems to inspect that no one is schizo enough to go HMM BETTER LOOK AT THE EMAIL HEADERS!
          Anon, I was talking about a letter from some random country's tax authority to your boss asking why they aren't paying payroll taxes. That would expose that I'm out of the country, and almost certainly get me fired.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            How schizophrenic do you need to be to actually think this is a plausible possibility

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              these threads must be a psyop by IRS do discourage remote working

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I lean more to the fact these people are SighSee pseudo armchair CPA's going on about tax shit no one in the real world is going to do or be bothered with. Sure you can go about lowering your taxed amount but there are so many hoops to jump through and actual possible ways to get eyes from your company/tax man for doing shit overseas that it's not worth it. If one of the main things driving you into DN is the hope of paying lower taxes you need to reconsider everything.

                [...]
                The concern isn't about minimizing taxes. It's specifically the fact that many countries have employer taxes, and a single email is enough to expose to your boss that you're out of the country. A lot of DN's just hop around on tourist visas and say they aren't working, but how effective is that if you stay for over 6-months and establish tax residency? I want to live somewhere for a year.

                It always amuses me when people go "well yeah but I want to spend a year in x country!', when in reality you probably don't as you'll get bored and way too comfortable with your surroundings only to be pissing days away chilling in your airbnb/guesthouse dicking around on your laptop. 90 days is more than enough with some basic planning to see large amounts of a country and for most people here you get 180 days in most places. Sure it sucks for a day or two of travel to another country but you're getting a new experience. At least for most other nomads I know those kinds of breaks often help keep things fresh.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah we get it, you have to constantly being doing something, spending money on shit, or you get depressed, woman.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Never said you have to pay money or something but what's the point of DN if you're just in a room stuck in SEA on odd hours just to say "WOW WORKING IN SEA!". If you're not going to go exploring the place you're spending all that legit time/money/effort on; what's the point? It's good to change things up.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't say that to anyone. You're in it for vanity. You'll never be happy.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >well yeah but I want to spend a year in x country!', when in reality you probably don't as you'll get bored and way too comfortable with your surroundings
                most people spend their entire lives around the area they grew up and only venture out to visit relatives

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay? Nothing wrong with that but how does that relate to a digital nomad who is the stark contrast of that?

                You don't say that to anyone. You're in it for vanity. You'll never be happy.

                Projecting much? I'm speaking from experience here and conversations I've had with other successful digital nomads. The amount of people I know who've done WHV's or student visa's only to regret it about 4-6 months in after the acclimate to the surroundings is absurd. Many have regrets, some are different but it's quite few to keep as cheery and engaged once the starstruck mood wears off.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >WHV's
                nothing's keeping them there, they could move on if they wanted to

                Do you see DN as a phase of your life or how you'll always live?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Correct but I was more alluding to the conversation just being had of people wanting to be in a place for 1 year and scoff at the 6 months usually allowed.

                >Do you see DN as a phase of your life or how you'll always live?
                I have a home back in the US at some point I'll stop, maybe in my 40's but that's like a decade away. I've been doing this for the past 5 years, no reason to stop. If I was doing 1 year plant myself in an area, which I've tried, I'd be so bored out of my mind I'd most likely look back on it as a waste of time and money.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I get it, you only want to have some Peter Pan understanding of a group of people from a particular place. Don't want to be racist. Don't want to know that it's not only your own people that suck, but all humans possess the ability.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                If somehow you can't understand a group of people within 6 months of a 365 calendar year, you must either be extremely introverted or straight up socially stupid. besides it's not like you can't come back after a bit. For the rest of the post 0/10 pushing the troll way too hard.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not trolling. I literally think you're scum.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It always amuses me when people go "well yeah but I want to spend a year in x country!',
                this
                things become 10x easier if you replace "a year" with "a half a year"
                why would you want to spend a year in Japan or other country that has cold winters anyway?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't know what info foreign tax authorities can get, or if the visa-process might give you away.

              I lean more to the fact these people are SighSee pseudo armchair CPA's going on about tax shit no one in the real world is going to do or be bothered with. Sure you can go about lowering your taxed amount but there are so many hoops to jump through and actual possible ways to get eyes from your company/tax man for doing shit overseas that it's not worth it. If one of the main things driving you into DN is the hope of paying lower taxes you need to reconsider everything.

              [...]
              It always amuses me when people go "well yeah but I want to spend a year in x country!', when in reality you probably don't as you'll get bored and way too comfortable with your surroundings only to be pissing days away chilling in your airbnb/guesthouse dicking around on your laptop. 90 days is more than enough with some basic planning to see large amounts of a country and for most people here you get 180 days in most places. Sure it sucks for a day or two of travel to another country but you're getting a new experience. At least for most other nomads I know those kinds of breaks often help keep things fresh.

              >It always amuses me when people go "well yeah but I want to spend a year in x country!', when in reality you probably don't as you'll get bored and way too comfortable with your surroundings only to be pissing days away chilling in your airbnb/guesthouse dicking around on your laptop. 90 days is more than enough with some basic planning to see large amounts of a country and for most people here you get 180 days in most places. Sure it sucks for a day or two of travel to another country but you're getting a new experience. At least for most other nomads I know those kinds of breaks often help keep things fresh.
              I'm not looking to country-hop as a DN. I'm looking to live somewhere for a year. I'm fine experiencing countries at a slower rate if it means not uprooting my life every couple months.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon, I was talking about a letter from some random country's tax authority to your boss asking why they aren't paying payroll taxes.
            Why isn't your boss paying payroll taxes?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why isn't your boss paying payroll taxes?
              To the foreign country that he was asking about? Really?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >why isn't your boss paying payroll taxes to the country he doesn't and shouldn't know you're in

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are tax treaties so you don't play double taxes.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or you just don't pay taxes abroad in the first place because you are moving every few months under a tourist visa to avoid that shit. Why you would willingly position yourself to pay double tax is silly.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You still need to pay taxes, if you're from the US no matter where you are in the world you must pay taxes even on income NOT generated in the US.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I pay taxes to uncle Sam with my job, I'm not paying any more. It's stupid to do so especially under a tourist visa, hell probably impossible. If you're paying double taxes lmaoing at your life

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dude are you fricking stupid, that is why the tax treaties exist So you don't pay double taxes.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Or you just pay your taxes like you would if you were working from home and never have to worry about juggling shit.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              ya, and then take a regional pay cut because you're no longer living in san francisco, nyc or seattle, but now bangkok, so you go from making 400k to making 40k

              sounds good.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes, bouncing is best if you're fine with it, but if you want to settle in somewhere you'll have to figure out how to deal with the taxes

        also
        >double tax
        it's usually not double, but basically whichever one is higher

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's different than digital nomad then, if you're doing more than 90 or 180 days in a country you may want to use a different term. I honestly don't know why you would not want to move every few months to see the world. Just moving to place abroad to work with a possible unfavorable timezone seems dull.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >start online business
    >be your own boss, set your own schedule, never have to talk to anyone or earn money for them
    >register company in zero tax country
    >open trust to front company
    >use trust to open bank in banking privacy country
    >use funds to earn interest and acquire assets
    >earn money at home without taxes or anyone knowing your name or residence

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Illegal in the US.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Perfectly legal and try having multiple citizenships and not being americas b***h

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