I literally can't think of a single beautiful north american city. It's all soulles grid trash with no history, even when the surroundings are amazing like Honolulu
I literally can't think of a single beautiful north american city.
I literally can't think of a single beautiful north american city. It's all soulles grid trash with no history, even when the surroundings are amazing like Honolulu
Americans have the cities they deserve
Nothing at all here in the CSA; our cities have too many rocket scientists ruining everything. New England LOL dereliction and incompetence galore. The west coast is ruined by homeless and leftards. The only places IMO worth a damn are the areas from Utah to Idaho.
Truer words have never been spoken
Stay behind and seething
>honolulu
>north america
seriously though i find the european aesthetic much less pleasing
>i find the european aesthetic much less pleasing
this is not possible.
most of it is soulles grid trash, but alright, I guess the dramatic elavation and little houses have their merits.
>this is not possible.
it's all fake shit for the tourism, no one actually lives in these places you vacationers go to.
San Francisco. You can hate it for all its issues and you'd never be wrong, but its spectacularly beautiful the way only a handful of other cities in the world are.
This. For all its problems, living In a van in San Fran is better than an apartment in 99% of america.
Drugs and cooming have rotted ur brain
You haven't traveled enough. Telluride Colorado is fucking gorgeous. A lot of small towns in the south are insanely gorgeous. There is nothing in Europe that looks like the plantations in Savannah Georgia. Go check out Asheville north Carolina. Cape May, NJ, Avalon California, Harpers Ferry Maryland. There are gems all over the California coast. Laguna Beach, Avila Beach, Newport Beach, Carmel, etc etc.
>Telluride Colorado is fucking gorgeous
no it's not, the surroundings are. I already gave this example with Honolulu.
>the plantations in Savannah Georgia
The plantations is not a city.
>Laguna Beach, Avila Beach
I have been to these and if that’s your idea of a soulful gem then I will have to disregard the rest of your list
I can see why you hate Avila Beach. It looks dreadful. I'm sure whatever third world trailer park you live in is much nicer.
It's a regular beach town. It's nice there but it's not something that belongs on a list of soulful gems
>Harpers Ferry Maryland
>gorgeous
I guess it's gorgeous if you just got outta prison or something.
>Telluride Colorado
why is there random furniture in the middle of the street
never mind. i see what they are now. man i bet there are tons of collisions with those things and the locals hate them
You must be one of those millennials scared to drive because it's not grand theft auto or Mario kart
I’ve heard Quebec City is beautiful
They have a cool hotel on a hill. The rest looks like this
It looks like an average town in England
Another country known for depressing cityscapes
True. It's exactly the same in Europe too.
The overwhelming majority of Quebec City actually looks like this. Just like every other city in Canada, basically.
Europeans lack a fundamental understanding of the scope of North American cities and space because they have spent centuries living a primarily urban lifestyle in relatively small, densely populated places where even on the edges, semi-detached homes and condominiums are the prevailing mode of habitation.
Neither one is better than the other, each have some very good qualities and some very bad. But of course Americans and Europeans will bicker about it endlessly.
As a tourist you're not gonna visit random people's driveway in the suburbs. Your picture is irrelevant.
>they have spent centuries living a primarily urban lifestyle
you are so clueless it's cute lmao
Your understanding of urbanisation is stupid and flawed in and of itself, notwithstanding the fact that North American and European "urbanisation" could reasonably be described as two completely different things. Again this stems from a lack of understanding of the scope and space of North American cities.
>As a tourist you're not gonna visit random people's driveway in the suburbs.
You're right, which is why in the Americas people generally visit to explore the country rather than the cities (bar NYC, DC, LA, etc). You are have just become accustomed to the constant stimulation of hyper-urban environments that you can't even begin to conceptualise anything else.
Also
is right. OPs cherry picked image of a romantic Roman street is not the rule, it's the exception. These exceptions are almost entirely located within walking distance from the centre of any European city. Beyond that you will see a lot of poor neighbourhoods with crumbling buildings and graffiti. In Eastern Europe you will see depressing commie blocks. It's entirely disingenuous to say "X cities are not beautiful" and then when someone says actually this one or that one is, you say "w-well not the whole city!!" knowing full well that there isn't a single European city that is "beautiful" throughout.
The statistics are also probably considering anyone who lives in a town over 10k as urbanized even if they're in BFE 100 miles from anything else.
>Makes a bunch of wrong assumptions about numbers he never looked at so he can desperately cling on to his world view
pathetic.
>around 10% constantly from 1500 (possibly even earlier) to 1800
interesting. But I guess until industrialization, farming was not efficient enough to support a large population of non-farmers.
That website is literally retarded. LOL. This is what the US actually looks like. New Mexico and Germany are the same size. New Mexico has a population of 2 million and Germany has 88 million. Of course the cities look different. You have room to spread out. Who wants to live in a commie block with 2000 people when you can have a nice house in the burbs?
Guam not included STFU
>literally doesn't know the difference between urbanization and pop density
>calls people retarded
lmao
Lots of empty space with a few points of concentrated population is the definition of urbanization m8...
>room to spread out.
pretty sure you're the same guy who couldn't even read a graph, but here you go just in case
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Doesn't one tiny acre of land cost like $300,000 in Germany though? That's why no one can afford a house in Europe. They all just wait around for their parents to die in the hopes they inherit a tiny apartment. Fuck apartment living. Who wants people living on top of you? That's not the American dream. You can buy a giant farm with horses and barns and shit for 300k in the US.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/800-Ritter-Ln-Waddy-KY-40076/2092569492_zpid/
obviously depends on where the land is retard. Germans generally live more spread out in the entire country though. In USA/Canada they're mainly confined to cities.
NTA but this is twice the size, less than half the price and includes an actual home.
https://www.hemnet.se/bostad/villa-4rum-brannfors-pitea-kommun-brannfors-101-18702996
This is literally more than 10x larger, cheaper and includes an actual home.
https://www.hemnet.se/bostad/gard-jorn-skelleftea-kommun-anaset-1-18791075
lmao so you ARE the guy who couldn't even read a graph. And you've been samefaggin this thread for a week now.
stinky italians dont like anything that isn't their grandmothers village, who cares
>city
>tradlarper gay working round the clock
and for free!
Mexico City is the beautiful, cosmopolitan city that I imagined NYC would be before I visited. It in addition to having way more soul, it also has nicer food and better people.
Wow look at those beautiful office buildings
>Wow look at those beautiful office buildings
you seem like an Idiot not to find it lovely.
They're mostly hotels in this picture of a famous intersection with the American Embassy on the left.
I was staying in your pictured Maria Isabel during the big earthquake, remember looking out the window at the Angel every time I stayed there. It sustained a lot of damage, cracks in every wall.
Mexico city is 3x the size of the land mass of NYC, and I think the largest on the Continent, and I think their version of Central Park, Chapultepec is way prettier.
I actually love the architecture of Miami as my #1 , from Art Deco to Coral Gables, this is a pretty city, and usually ranks in one of the nicest night skylines in the world. It's the only zone in the US that is sub-tropicl and lush landscaping everywhere.
Most of Miami is a hideous literal third world looking shithole outside of Miami Beach, Brickell, Coral Gables and Coconut Grove. Cement square buildings and strip malls everywhere with little to no greenery, and it is also ghetto as fuck. You are going by just a small handful of areas. I lived in the city for 3 years, it is a fucking massive dump.
>you're an idiot if you don't like generic office buildings
Miami is just Dubai for poor people, and bureaucrats designed the city with a ruler.
and dubai is a halal version of miami with multiple human rights violations that require septic poop trucks to keep itself not drowning in literal shit.
>enjoys urban hell
>attracted to neon high saturation lights like a mosquito
u vill be happy about it
>it all has no history
No shit. These cities largely didn't exist 150 years ago.
Then you get cities like Boston and New York, which are nearly 400 years old. Still young compared to Mexico City.
Quebec, certain cities in mexico, and american nature are the only things worth in that vile globohomo epicenter continent
no cities are beautiful. all look like giant garbage scows.
I suppose it depends on how you define beautiful. Take Portland, OR. The downtown core is nothing special, but if you like the Craftsman bungalow type architecture, there are lots of nice residential neighborhoods all over the city, and when everything is in bloom and it’s late afternoon/early evening in the summer, it doesn’t get much better. Nothing in Europe compares.
Not a fan of Portland housing architecture
Because I know exactly the type of people who live in them having lived here my whole life
>suburu in driveway
>black lives matter sign in yard
>vegan
>shops at Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s
>moved from California
>owns several bicycles
>le keep Portland weird
Portland was beautiful 30 years ago
Yeah, you're right. The neighborhoods are still good looking though, even if the people living there are insufferable.
It's not the "no history" that's bad you college retard, it's that they are filled with violent morons and laminates and pedophile queer onions chugging whit*oids
>I have never been to New Orleans: the post
you should go OP
You're completely right. And it's all overpriced garbage when it comes to hotels. There's really no point in travelling here.
The Europeans are all jammed together in cities because of the lack of available land. In the US, you can buy land and build a house. We don't need to live on top of each other. The cities in the US suck because they are mostly just large areas where we keep the lawless Black folks isolated from the whites.
>The Europeans are all jammed together in cities because of the lack of available land
You can have US stile here (Germany) too. It's way less dense than you think. But what we have too are walkways, public transport, lot's of associations (maybe you too) and in general not that leave me alone attitude.
>and in general not that leave me alone attitude.
Germans are far more individualistic and closed off than Europeans in general, who themselves are far more individualistic and closed off than Americans.
I think he means that europeans, especially germans are not as libertarian as americans in general, which isn't false.
I think he mens that Europeans are less likely to give you a big fake smile and ask you how you are when in fact they don’t give a fuck. Europeans re far more authentic. Americans act like everyone they meet is their best friend.
t. American in paris
lol, lmao
You misunderstand the data. It's all about population density. The US has half the population density that Europe has. The cities in the US are huge in terms of land, but most of that land is typically suburbs. Louisville Kentucky, for example, has a population of 350,000 and is 263 square miles of land. By comparison, Rome has a population of 4 million and is only 450 square miles of land. If you drove around Louisville, you would find that most of the city is really suburbs and single family homes while in Rome you would find that most people lived in tall buildings in apartments.
>You misunderstand the data
Still making assumption about numbers you haven't even looked at :^)
It's called inference, genius and it can be applied using common sense in this case. The irony is that it's YOU who is "desperately clinging" to your worldview.
>spend hours explaining why you can't look at data for 15 minutes
:^)
>"desperately clinging" to your worldview.
what world view? I posted a graph and now you're mad ¯_(ツ)_/¯
it wasnt even me you were talking too retard. take your emojis back to where you came from
It's still been hours since you posted and you're still scared of looking at the data :^)
>inference = dismissing facts if they hurt my feelings
Fucking libtards. This is why anyone voting democrat needs to be banned from STEM
>he doesnt know what statistical inference is
obviously you will draw different conclusions about data applied in the context of USA and data applied in the context of Europe. its literally statistics 101 you autistic sperg.
>statistical inference = dismissing facts if they hurt my feelings
Fucking libtards. This is why anyone voting democrat needs to be banned from STEM
i dont vote democrat because im not american
The conclusions drawn from raw data must be made with consideration of the specific context of their origin, otherwise it's just pure noise. Imagine unironically being this much of a brainlet and even doubling down on it. Consider suicide.
>this data doesn't agree with my feelings that euros are super urbanized cucks and americans are rural freedom enjoyers, therefore it's wrong
That's literally your entire argument libtard
No, the argument is that urban environments in USA are heavily sprawled and bordering on "suburban" even nearer to the city center, where European urban environments are typically urban/metropolitan throughout. As
said, even on the edges, the norm is semi-detached homes and condominiums in a lot of European cities.
So even though the raw data says that Europeans and Americans are just as urbanized as one another, if you think about the context of European versus American style urbanization, Europeans still live in and are much more accustomed to a more metropolitan lifestyle. The other consideration is that the data includes ALL of Europe which includes backward underdeveloped agrarian countries like Ukraine, Belarus, etc. Developed Europe, which is realistically the only place we are talking about since nobody gives a single flying fuck about Moldova, is infinitely more urbanized than USA.
I'm sorry you literally cannot think critically about data and just worship irrelevant numbers without thinking about them at all. YOU should be banned from STEM since you have zero ability to actually analyze anything. You have a female brain.
But you haven't even looked at the data.
I was in Rome for a week this year staying in an apartment. I'm so used to living in a big house in the US where I can't hear the neighbors that I forgot about apartment problems I had when I was in college. The people in the unit next to us in Rome started smoking and it filled the hallway and started coming under the door. Our apartment stunk. We left and they were still blasting music at 3am. Then they screamed at each-other drunk in the hallway for an hour. This kind of shit happened a lot during our 3 week trip. Living in pretty European city seems romantic, but the reality hits you hard when so many people are crammed on top of you. I'll take my house in the suburbs back in the good old US over any city in Europe.
I mean, you can get this shit in any apartment, US or EU. It just depends on the complex you’re in and a solid dose of luck
Maybe, but you can live your whole life in the usa and never experience that and go to yuroland I
And see it everyday
>go to cheap toursit Airbnb apartment next to other cheap toursit Airbnb apartments
>omg why isn't everyone an upstanding citizen with a 9-5 job?
>lack of available land
Yeah, how do they even breathe in an environment like this?
I can tell that you're young and you don't really have any idea what you're talking about, but I'll give you some more examples.
The undeveloped land in the more affluent countries of Europe are not for sale or are much more expensive. An acre of land in Bavaria costs between 5000-$40,000, while an acre of land in Maine can still be purchased for less than $1000. Here's 42 acres in Maine for only 39k. https://www.landwatch.com/penobscot-county-maine-recreational-property-for-sale/pid/410004272
And here's less than acre in Germany for sale for 125K
If you look through the listings, these numbers are fairly consistent. Which is why people in the US don't have to live in big giant buildings in the middle of densely packed urban areas. They can spread out. This is why the cities look different.
The US cities are garbage because 90% were built in steam era and 75% were built in car era. Even then people have left historically old cities of Baltimore and Philadelphia for the suburbs in the past 70 years. Leaving their former "dense" cities to Black folks. They have become uninhabitable ghettoes of crime, drugs, and prostitution. That’s why Amerocuvks cry about $4 gasoline when even europoors were already paying $6. Amerocucks are rich on the outside but poor on the inside.
That's actually closer to the truth. But even in cities like Baltimore, you find huge suburban neighborhoods like Gambrills Maryland packed full of homes that look like this.
Rows of McMansions with fake brick facade on the front and disposable aluminum siding on the other 3 sides. Makes me puke.
cool story bro, now look at the picture I posted
Some random photo you pulled from the internet showing one piece of data with zero context is a bad way to form a worldview. That's why I know you're young. You only understand the world in memes.
Did you even read the rest of the website you sourced your photo from? According to the website, 90 percent of the US population lives in an Urban area. Their definition of Urban does not mean a city.
I don't care about your stupid argument but if you're gonna call someone young, you better stop redditspacing
>random photo you pulled from the internet
Do you literally not know what google earth is?
>one piece of data with zero context
>says the guy who just linked to a random landplot for sale
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH. It's literally an overview of all the free space you said didn't exist, go look yourself.
>Do you literally not know what google earth is?
Yes, it's part of the internet.
Since when does "urban area" mean "city"? They're different words for a reason, at least in english. I don't know what your first language is.
>90 percent
>can't even read a simple graph
American education everyone
If you had made it past the first paragraph on the website, you would have seen this. Ive traveled extensively across the US. I promise you that the US is not 90 percent urban. You're too young and inexperienced to know how ignorant you are.
>90 percent
>STILL can't even read a simple graph after his error is pointed out to him
Seems more like an intelligence problem than education problem now lamo
>another thread of retarded, seething foreigners
It's all so tiring
>Reeee you have cars
>Reeeeee you have houses
>Reeeeee you have food
>Reeeeee you aren't freezing to death because the ruskis shut off the gas
>Honolulu
>north american city
Is it not built by north americans in the style of other north american cities?
>eurochud cope thread
>I literally can't think of a single beautiful north american city.
You've never been to Seattle, then. Mount Rainier to the south, Mount Baker to the north, Cascades to the east, Olympics to the west, Puget Sound, islands, lots of rain so everything is green, some neat hills to liven things up.
If it weren't for all the fucking communists and druggies, it would be paradise. Even 25 years ago it was a garden gnomeel of a city.
Read the entire post you reply to.
Yeah I’m sure all that natural landscape was really beautiful till they built that ugly ass city smack in the middle of it.
>Thought about what you said to me the other day, about my cities. Stayed up half the night thinking about it. Something occurred to me... fell into a deep peaceful sleep, and haven't thought about you since. Do you know what occurred to me?
>You're just a kid, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talkin' about.
>So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the pope, sexual orientations, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling;
> If I ask you about women, you'd probably give me a syllabus about your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can't tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy.
>You're a tough kid. And I'd ask you about war, you'd probably throw Shakespeare at me, right, "once more unto the breach dear friends." But you've never been near one. You've never held your best friend's head in your lap, watch him gasp his last breath looking to you for help.
>a park filled with highways and parking lots and another park filled with homeless people
I genuinely can't tell if this is troll or not.
carmel by the sea in california is considered the cutest place. but even there you have those typical american roads with cars everywhere. these fucks just can't have walkable centers with no car
It's definitely the kitschiest place. I don't know about beauty.
I get a sense that the guy arguing with people about urbanization is likely a 16 year old Austrian who's never been to the US.
downtown san antonio is nice, especially if one of their festivals is going on. rest of the city is like every other texas big city.
Hmm, that does look nice. Do people in texas seethe that this looks "gay"?
The murder rate is up 200% last year and even more this year
Ruined by all the gay garish colors on the boat, umbrellas…Why are Americans so tacky?
>all that empty space
>still live right next to each other in tiny designated rectangles the government drew on a map
>make sure to eradicate any trace of nature within the rectangle
Why do they do it? Are birds and lack of starbucks their greatest fear or something?
For reference, here's what similar areas look like in europe
...that isn't a suburb like pic above though, thats a fully rural area
>fully rural
>no farms
>a fucking MX track
>20 minutes from an airport.
mericans literally think anything that isn't asphalt and shopping malls is "rural" lamo
euros don't all cramp together in tiny government designated areas. We live were we want. Those homes have faster internet connection than you.
Packing houses together makes the cost of utilities and thus the prices of the houses cheaper than if they were far apart and sewage lines had to be spread out. Simple as that
Having said this, I don't think it looks good. It's the McDonalds of neighborhoods. Like McMansions but somehow ten times worse
I guess euros have more money then since they don't seem to care.
Euros are more inclined to deal with the hassle of septic tanks, water wells and shit like that. Americans seem to be worried about convenience first and foremost and that comes at a price
>hassle of septic tanks, water wells and shit like that
This is a non-problem. Rural living conditions is more common in Europe than USA so there are very routine standards and procedures for how to maintain this. Basically a firm or local government comes around 2 times a year to check that everything is in order and empty the septic tank if needed.
>Americans seem to be worried about convenience first and foremost and that comes at a price
The main price is freedom to live how you want where you want. Most are forced to live cramped in the government designated rectangle
Yuros all live together in commie blocks, especially, the UK, France and Germany
nah, see
This. That pic looks like it is from Arizona or New Mexico. Take a gander at Pheonix, a completely planned city with it's canals and everything. Also, most homes aren't one plot of land passed down, since we have an abundance of land, developers buy a huge plot and maximize how many houses they can get per acre while still keeping yard space etc.
Is tiny boxed in lawns considered "yards" in america? Or did you mean the surrounding area
Mexico City and New York have their own mystique and beauty about them, shanty towns are the American way all the way throughout both continents
Here's my experience staying in apartments in Europe: They are usually 700 square feet with a kitchen with maybe 2 small appliances. You can't open your window to enjoy the outside because literally 50 people in the building smoke and that shit pours in through the window. The walls are paper thin and people blast their music and televisions all night long. The lack of building regulations and inspections means that everything is dangerous. The elevators are death traps. No one has a fire alarm or CO2 alarm because the smoke would set them off all day so the every building is a massive fire hazard. No one has a real mattress like we have in the US. They sleep on shitty thin foam. People walk through the allies screaming all night from 12-5 am as the different bars close. The buildings are so close that any police siren or ambulance within a mile of your apartment is enough to wake you up. All of the streets outside your apartment stink like piss because there are no public restrooms.
This is why people choose to live in big houses in suburbs in the US.
One nice thing about European apartments is they are small. 750 Sq ft is a nice size for one person. When I owned houses in the US I ended up buying 2000 Sq ft because that was the smallest I could find and I always ended up with 3 extra bedrooms I didn't need
All you need is proper sound proofed walls and windows. You dont need to buy a house in a shitty suburb, especially if you have neighbors who sit outside and blast music and drink beers all day.
>hate city
>go for vacation in a city
you're retarded, what else can I say? You could have rented a nice summer home in the countryside for 3 months for less money. Then you get way more space and privacy than the cramped suburbs of usa
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