I'm flying in few days and I'm fucking TERRIFIED
How do I get over the fear of flying?
I'm flying in few days and I'm fucking TERRIFIED. How do I get over the fear of flying?
I'm flying in few days and I'm fucking TERRIFIED
How do I get over the fear of flying?
Not OP but same, how do you increase chances of survival? I heard being close to emergency doors, what else?
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/safest-seat-plane/index.html
Summary - middle seats, rear of the plane, near the exit doors if possible. Catastrophic crashes usually mean the nose hitting first, so the rear has less impact. And having people on either side of you gives a squishy human shield buffer.
Rear middle seats have twice the survival rate as seats near the wings because the wings hold all the fuel.
Horrible advice though. For pleasant travel, you want to be as close to the front of the plane as possible. Anywhere near the engine will make it noisy and uncomfortable. Too close to the back and you'll deal with people constantly coming to take a shit. You're also the last to get off the plane.
There's a reason first class seats are always at the front.
They are talking about SURVIVAL. Dumb fucking idiot.
You're a dumb fucking idiot for even thinking you'll crash. Unless you're a loser, your only goal on the flight is to get to the destination as comfortably as possible.
Smoothest ride is over the wings, though.
Not true. Think of a plane as a sort of lever arm, with the pivot point being the nose. Anywhere behind that point is going to physically move more in every direction. The people in the back can literally bounce up and down 20+ feet in turbulence while the pilots feel almost nothing.
I appreciate the attempt at a nuanced approach but you've revealed that you don't actually know what happened in the crashes. I'm willing to bet that you believe most of the mainstream narrative, which is something like "the planes just suddenly started nose diving right after takeoff and there was nothing the pilots could do!!!". If you look at the flight recorder data that's just clearly false, and in fact at least one of the planes was even climbing until the final seconds.
Nothing about MCAS - literally nothing - changes the decades old standard procedures for trim runaways in a 737, with one of the most important steps being that the pilot should activate the STAB TRIM CUTOUT switches in the center pedestal, which completely deactivates MCAS. Another important step is turning off autothrottle, which prevents the plane from overspeeding and applying extraneous aerodynamic forces to the control surfaces. Guess what the pilots in the accident aircraft failed to do [both].
There's just no excuse to blame Boeing, it's like blaming Tesla for people dying while driving their cars but ignoring that the people were completely misusing the technology. It shouldn't surprise anyone that dozens, maybe even hundreds, of flights with 737 MAXs were happening daily without incident while being piloted by highly-experienced pilots all around the world, and the planes that crashed were piloted by foreign pilots with such low flight hours that no Western airline would allow them in the cockpit.
The lift, the balance point, is where? The... say it with me... wings. Any pivoting the lane does, the axis is through the center of lift at the winds.
Now if the whole plane jounces up and down, then the area over the wings does as well. And yes, towards the back is the worst, it is genarally true that planes are nonger bebind the wings than in front, and in 747s for example you even get a little flex-bounce going on as you get into the tail. No point is perfectly smooth if the going get's rough -- but your best ride is over the wings. Plus it's generally where an exit row is, which is great for the legroom and being able to get up and down if you are not in an aisle seat.
Yes, the lift is primarily coming from the wings, but if you take the airspeed into account along with the various trimming systems and/or pilot inputs meant to minimize excess yaw, pitch and roll, it's the front of a high-speed aircraft that is typically experiencing the least amount of turbulent airflow
>the front of a high-speed aircraft that is typically experiencing the least amount of turbulent airflow
Are you really confusing or attempting to conflate turbulent fluid flow with atmospheric turbulence? Is this whole thread bait?
>Think of a plane as a sort of lever arm, with the pivot point being the nose
Are you retarded? Thinking of it like that doesn't make it act that way in reality.
If the plane crashes, you'll be dead anyways. Why worry?
replace with a different anxiety
like hold in a poo for a really long time until its time to board - then you are worried about having a shit while waiting for take off and cruising altitude before seatbelt sign is off
I don't have a fear of flying but I always think
>human greed runs the world
>one plane accident would ruin the industry
>they wont let me die for financial insensitives
Planes seem safe
Even if you do die on one, its a really low risk activity
One odd irony of plane crashes is that when they do happen, people avoid flying with the particular airline involved, sometimes even the make/model of the plane. If anything, it would probably be a lot safer to fly with the very same airline/airplane shortly after its most recent accident, because they are on full damage control, and they're extra alert for any bullshit.
Reasonable logic, unless it comes to Malaysian Airlines and Aeroflot. Both have had multiple accidents within short periods of time.
Unironically go to your doctor and get him to give you a few Xanax. It's very effective. If you can't do that just have a few drinks on the plane.
Also for me personally, having a window seat helps a lot during turbulence - being able to look out the window just calms me a lot for some reason.
>Also for me personally, having a window seat helps a lot during turbulence - being able to look out the window just calms me a lot for some reason.
I've found counting seconds during turbulence helps, usually episodes of turbulence only last a few minutes. Also think about how turbulence is basically driving along a road with some ruts and potholes -- you bump along for a bit, but that's about it.
yea i just pop xanax. once i forgot to bring some and had a 2 hour flight. holy fuck i had a panic attack the whole way, felt like i was zoned out ot this universe, the attendant was so nice she basically just sat next to me quietly for comfort
you can overcome those situations but it's a real daunting task, and for rare stuff you only do every now and then, xanax just makes life easy. i take that shit for dentists, leading up to surgery before, whatever you rarely do that there's 0 reason to expose and overcome, just drug it up baby
if you're a retard that's going to start self medicating over any little stress don't do it though, you'll fuck yourself
Hey boss. That's a super typical, & normal fear. It's the fear of death, that's why you're afraid of every single bump. There's a part of you, which is triggering your fight or flight response - spiking your adrenaline, and making you nervous as can be. I think the worst thing for yourself to say is, "I don't want to fly - but I have to". In your mind, you're putting yourself in this box where you're being forced to do something you don't want to.
The reason behind this, is because we develop such a horror to flying - we think it's flying thats the problem when it isn't. It's a lack of knowledge of our ability to control our level of anxiety, your psychological stress everytime is likely so painful that it made you think flying is the issue. It isn't.
You need to learn how to manage your level of anxiety. Take for instance, a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being relaxing like you're at home, reading your favorite book. 10 being you're so anxious you're having a panic attack that is fully blown. I'd say the "victory" is getting it to a manageable level, like a 3 to 4 out of 10. You're anxious, but it's manageable.
I hovered around that level for 3 or 4 flights before I completely got over the anxiety. I'll add, and emphasize I was probably more anxious than you. I curled up physically in a ball out of sheer terror of flying during take off, and I recoiled at every little bump during flight. Dedicate yourself to a few, short flights, where your only goal is to complete the flight at a manageable anxiety level. 20 minutes, to 45 minute flights are the ideal length of flight for this type of journey. Round trip flights often cost less than one way, keep this in mind. I'm not sure what state you live in, but quite the number of states have this available.
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California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Upstate New York, Georgia, North & South Carolina, Florida, all have short 25 to 35 minute flights available. There are likely more. Go to Google Flights, type in your airport like, "SFO to United States" and view all the options available to you in your area. You can even type this into the google search bar. Make sure you specify the exact date you, "plan to fly" hypothetically so you can see for yourself.
For example: SFO to MRY when entered into travelmath is precisely 27 minutes. I've never experienced this website underestimating, but I've experienced it over estimating. A flight I took was estimated to be 50 minutes, and it only took 32. When you're afraid of flying, this is a good thing. You get off the plane sooner in this case. Perhaps what happened was we were able to maintain 500 MPH.
https://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/San+Francisco,+CA/to/Monterey,+CA
Read the book: Face your Fear of Flying on Amazon, thats what helped me more than anything.
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Bonus: Always fly United Airlines, or Delta. Never American Airlines. American Airlines is super fucking gay when it comes to flight cancellations. United Airlines is the most relaxed. If you can't handle it, you can absolutely back out no problem and get flight credit.
this is the typical CBT response and it's true. slow exposure is how you get over panic inducing situations. social anxiety is the one probably most people can relate to, for some people they have to work up to even walking to their mailbox. taking 20 minute flights would 100% work, then 40 minutes, then 2hours, then 4h ours, 6, then international, etc
but again if you only do this once in awhile fuck that just pop a pill
when i have turbulence i just repeat the golden grahams song
>when i have turbulence i just repeat the golden grahams song
Funny, that's what I do when I think someone's trying to read my mind.
thats part of why flying is so memorable anon, everyone shits themselves at landing, take off and during the flight if there's turbulence
it can either be insanely smooth OR fucking hell and people vomiting because there's a storm over frankfurt and the wind is so strong it pushes the door closed after landing
I recommend you just look out the window, dont let your imagination run wild just fucking look and enjoy the near death experience that is commercial man made flight
how do people develop a fear of flying?
Too much turbulence when you were a kid or something?
op here
Pretty sure, my phobia developed well because I saw final destination when I was a kid…I still remember that flying scene
fair enough. I never watched Final Destination. Or maybe I watched 1 but don't remember anything from it.
Ahh, I can definitely see how that can be develop something. Kinda makes you start overthinking as well
>I got the dropping stomach feeling like on a roller coaster. Does that happen on commercial air liners?
I don't think it's intense all the time, but it does happen. I personally don't get affected by it much, but my gf does. Don't know hot to combat that for you unfortunately. Gf says its uncomfortable and nothing really helps, so I guess it's something you just got to sit through.
Ah. I've never dealt with that as I think the longest flight I've ever taken is like 3-4hrs. Definitely something I'd have to prepare for if I went on a long flight.
>I don't think it's intense all the time, but it does happen. I personally don't get affected by it much, but my gf does. Don't know hot to combat that for you unfortunately. Gf says its uncomfortable and nothing really helps, so I guess it's something you just got to sit through.
it doesn't bother me on roller coasters. I actually enjoy it. But the context is different I guess, on a roller coaster you're fashioned to tracks, but on a plane you're just suspended in air, nothing between you and the ground. Maybe that's why it was sketchy. I just got a little antsy wasn't terrified or anything.
For me, it's because my father is absolutely paranoid about planes. Any time any member of our extended family is on a flight he spends the entire time pacing the house angrily and refreshing the flight trackers. If any information on a flight tracker seems suspect to him, he makes it the whole house's problem and has my mom call the airline for information. If I ever go on a flight, I always land to about a dozen texts from him asking me why I am not responding and if I am okay. He has not been on a plane in nearly 30 years. It's rough because I used to have no problem with flying but all this paranoid projection has rubbed off on me once I started flying more for work.
I've never flown before until recently, like a few months ago. Because I've never done it I just payed someone to take me up in one of those little light aircrafts. Still haven't rode a commercial air liner yet.
The only sketchy part was when we would descend altitude too quickly I got the dropping stomach feeling like on a roller coaster. Does that happen on commercial air liners?
>Always fly United Airlines, or Delta. Never American Airlines. American Airlines is super fucking gay when it comes to flight cancellations
I'm more concerned that they're pushing "diversity and inclusion" in some airlines above actually having fucking standards to becoming a pilot.
>I'm more concerned that they're pushing "diversity and inclusion" in some airlines above actually having fucking standards to becoming a pilot.
Yeah I feel you on that. But, that's gonna take some time. The average colored folk is unaware of the option, and is too lazy to pursue it. The past 8 domestic flights I've taken with United this past month & a half all had a fully white crew.
I had a pretty bad United flight a couple weeks ago, gay white guy fumbled around the oxygen mask in the demonstration, was generally clumsy and incompetant, sassy fat black lady, showed preferential treatment to the albeit nice black lady next to me, pilot was a native spanish speaker I didn't understand.
Hour long wait to fix the "luggage net"
I did a 20hr flight from Doha-Auckland and got thrombo.
I am mainly afraid during the takeoff but alcohol helps me a lot. Then I switch on the autopilot
Learn to enjoy the feeling of fear. It is such a thrill, the anxiety and adrenaline. I am cursed in that I only feel fear when engaging in high-risk behavior with no backup or safety net, which common sense won't let me do. Imagine feeling heart-pounding terror over something as safe as a plane ride - I am sooo jealous.
do you have social anxiety fears for love life or career? i mean common ones, not incel neet level.s
does overcoming that fear apply to your thrill?
i havent flown in 10 years and im heading to japan in may for a few weeks and im a little anxious too but im just gonna knock back a few pints before hand which should settle the nerves a bit
I have this belief. We are all predetermined to "die" naturally. If there is an incident where we die, then perhaps it did happen but there is no recollection maybe in a premonition or in a dream. We continue on towards a straight path. Perhaps this is similar to the Many Worlds Theory but really I am thinking along the lines of conservation of energy. And when we do "die" we end up someone/somewhere else...Buddhist would say we end up something else...
okay maybe its is more /x
I always prepare for the worst and make my peace with the world most of the time, and get pleasantly surprised every time the plane lands safely.
I also tend to imagine my window being blown open and me being sucked out of the plane mid-air.
Sitting far back is supposed to increase survivability, I also recommend using your seatbelt at all times when not going to the toilet.
Also, using Star Alliance airlines seem like a good idea, I trust less and less other airline companies, especially 3rd worlders and Russians.
I'm happy to spend an extra $400 so I fly with Japan airlines over Philippine Airlines lmao for that reason
realize you're statistically more likely to die at home then on a plane.
also alcohol
Dunno how helpful this is, but I get way more anxious in cars, and with planes they are way safer and plus the way it seems to work with plane crashes is either basically everyone is okay, or the entire thing is just turned into a superheated deathball explosion, which kills you in an instant, which this could just be me, but I am way more scared of getting maimed in a car wreck than I am just instantly getting snuffed out
the fear is irrational idk what we can say so 2 beers to take the edge of
>How do I get over the fear of flying?
By getting on the plane and taking your flight and getting it over with.
The worst feeling for me is a couple hours in when my ass hurts from the seat. Im also super alert while flying
Prett y sure every airport I have ever been to has a bar. I just had a $20 Long Island cocktail going from Key West to Denver last month.
Weed Candy helps also.
The first time I skydived, I did it alone (no tandem), I didn't sleep at the night before and contemplated death very deeply.
I was absolutely terrified the next morning but as we started going up in the plane, with every thousand feet or so I became more confused if I was actually scared or not. Then I asked myself 'am I... am I smiling!?'
My fear had warped into excitement. But the time we reached altitude, I was beaming and jumped zero hesitation.
>tldr: fear and excitement are incredibly closely related. Ask yourself if you're really afraid when you sit down in the plane
...have you tried just not being a gigantic gay?
get drunk
this is the kind of girl that just explodes once you put a baby in her. look at those ankles, pure brood sow material.
then you won't be afraid of flying anymore because you would welcome the end
problem solved
Just don't worry about it mate
>be scared of flying before trip
>decide to face my fears head on
>watch many plane crash videos on YouTube
>realize that all the crashes happened 30-50 years ago
>realize that most of the accidents are pilots doing dumb shit like letting kids in the cockpit or whatever
>learn that planes now essentially fly themselves and that THOUSANDS of planes fly every day and never crash
we don't know anyone that's ever been in a plane crash. but we know lots of people that die from car accidents, drinking, drugs, heart attack, all that shit. planes are safe man. but you can also take a shot of liquor and a Xanax and sleep or watch a cozy show and eat the snacks
>we don't know anyone that's ever been in a plane crash
Of course not, they're fucking dead because they were in a plane crash.
Nope.
https://www.thehealthyjournal.com/faq/what-are-the-odds-of-surviving-a-plane-crash
But assume you were right -- I knew maybe a dozen folks who dies or were injured in a car crash, I am not sure that ANYBODY I know has never been in one. Nobody that I know has died in a plane crash or even been in one. Around 40,000 people died in 2021 in the US in car crashes. 176 people died in air crashes that year... worldwide.
Also, 3/4 of modern plane crashes are by piece of shit third world airlines with undertrained pilots of ancient poorly maintained planes.
This, over and over and over again.
Just go on Twitter or YouTube and try to argue with people about the 737 MAX crashes that happened a few years ago. Normie gays all blame Boeing and muh capitalism and completely ignore the fact that foreign airlines buy multimillion dollar planes and then let ESL pilots with like 45 hours fly them [and they'll call you racist for suggesting that that's the issue]. Shit, I have more hours than that in flight simulators; even I know where the switches are that those pilots could have flipped to prevent deadly crashes.
They were also flying with known unsafe conditions. The aircraft in the SEA crash had just landed with the AoA sensor written up due to a malfunction on that flight. Instead of fixing it, the airline sent it back up again.
Bit mixed on this. On one hand, there were multiple recorded instances of well trained pilots who just shut off the system but on the other hand, it shouldn't have had a single point of failure (the 1 sensor) for it to catastrophically take control away from the pilot and it absolutely should have had both a better way of telling the pilot what it thought it was doing and had an easy access shut off.
Pilots should have been trained to understand what they needed to disconnect or provided with a checklist to do the thinking for them. Boeing shouldn't have rushed out a poorly conceived and tested solution to the already rushed out 737Max design.
White women have repulsive faces
The real fear comes from turbulence and sitting close to the front you experience it less, I tend to get nervous when turbulance hits otherwise it's ok, my father flies a lot over 1000 flights in his life and i remember as a kid watching him fall asleep during take off and it always shocked me, i just remember he has never been in a crash in his life, i asked and his #1 fear of flying is being delayed hours.
Turbulence has to be the same fear for people scared of thunderstorm.
get drunk at the airport before you take off. not too drunk though or they wont let you board the plane.
Can't relate, but I am always intrigued by people who have a fear of flying, since I have always had an obsession with flying. What about flying makes you afraid?
>am career helicopter pilot.
>CFI-I Rotorcraft
>Commerical rated airplane pilot
Over 12000 hours in the air, never had an emergency.
Must be flying nice stuff then, ferried an absolute shitbox 310 down the east coast of Australia. That fucking plane nearly was the end of me. Fuel pumps went, had to tape up the storm window, HSI was fucked, GPS was something from the 1980's.
Piece of shit plane.
Learn the science of flight, how planes actually work. That helped me more than anything
There’s a video that explains how the plane knows it is because it knows where it isn’t. By calculating the difference between where it was and where it isn’t, it’s able to traject a flight path.
If the wings bend, tell the attendant IMMEDIATLY. The steel support that holds the wing can snap if bent, and the craft will spiral apart in seconds.
It'll probably still snap, but at least pilots might be able to get low enough to avoid explosive decompression.
trolling of this magnitude belongs on /b/, not sighsee
>How do I get over the fear of flying?
Fly a few times. It is not terrifying, it is boring as fuck.
Make sure your pilots are white men
Unfortunately that’s not an option, most pilots here are American
pregame some kino