Is Arizona worth living in for a single male late 20s?

Is Arizona worth living in for a single male late 20s? My family lives in a small town in southern AZ (Sierra Vista), and I am wondering if it's worth moving there, or Tucson (1.5-hour drive away), or somewhere further out like Phoenix (3-hour drive)? I'd like to be close enough to see them monthly, but then again idk how shit these locations can be to live in. I work from home.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    midzona

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just don't understand why you'd want to willingly subject yourself to even more ruthless summers.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      just to be close to family. Not sure of a good alternative besides moving up north during the summers

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      1. Don't be fat
      2. Don't be fat
      3. Learn to dress appropriately

      I honestly find myself feeling way hotter when I am in texas or fl with the humidity+heat than just, oh it's 115F outside but windy and the sweat dries off me.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only Sedona

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      looks great, but man is it expensive

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        > I work from home.
        Not with the current rent prices and the absolute flood of Californians into the state. The AMD/Intel factories and silicon valley relocating to the valley has sent rent through the roof. I'm moving out because of it. Back when I moved in around 2015-2016 you could get some good housing, decent rent places, and so on. Covid shoved like everyone thinking about leaving cali into this place and it sucks. I've lived here going on 8 years AMA, moved here in my mid 20's as well

        Phoenix has plenty to do but you're going to be paying out the ass
        Tuscon has some stuff to do and cheaper but is sketch
        The northern parts are expensive but safer in terms of things

        Compared to Phoenix it's not that bad, you get a more seasoned climate, better air, less bullshit whenever ASU decides to protest about a dindu.

        >Both UofA and ASU are huge schools with a lot of partying and seem to attract a lot of hot, loose young women.
        do you think it's tough meeting these girls if you're a bit older and not a part of the school? seems like the main benefit

        Mill Ave is full of girls looking for an older single guy because HOLY FRICK every ASU girl has daddy issues.Go to Fat Tuesdays on a thursday night? get fricked by some 19-20 y/o with a fake id who is drinking their brains out.The big issue is they are all legit insane, and never stick your dick in crazy if they are in the same city as you.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I live in southern California where I grew up, my parents moved to Arizona and I visit them about once every 2 months over a 3 day weekend. It's not bad driving there, just takes a few hours that's all, but Sierra Vista is farther than where they live.
    I like Arizona but those towns aren't great for young people, there really aren't any and there's not much to do besides going on quads and stuff like that and there's not many jobs that pay well. It's boomers and lots of Mexicans that work service sector jobs at the restaurants and golf clubs where these retirees go.
    Phoenix has a lot more to do. There's downsides and upsides, it's beautiful about 7-8 months of the year. It's only the really hot weather at the beginning of summer that's too much for me. Phoenix has also become very sprawled and there's lots of traffic now. Tucson is quieter but is more dumpy.
    Both UofA and ASU are huge schools with a lot of partying and seem to attract a lot of hot, loose young women.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Both UofA and ASU are huge schools with a lot of partying and seem to attract a lot of hot, loose young women.
      do you think it's tough meeting these girls if you're a bit older and not a part of the school? seems like the main benefit

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        To an extent, yes, female socialization in that age range is heavily based on women trying to one up their peers.
        However, due to gender politics, US colleges now all have a gender imbalance that skews toward more women than men. There's simpl an abundance of them and you'll find the ones who are at the upper end of the typical college age range will be more interested in guys who have aged out of fratty college guy behavior especially if they're in their 5th or higher year of a 4 year program (common at party schools) and are sick of the college scene.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          hmm would you recommend anywhere within driving distance to sierra vista? I could make the tucson thing work, but idk if it's worth it to get used up chicks moving out of their hoe-phase lol. I generally workout, hike, play tennis, basketball and such a lot. I guess I'd join all the existing groups catering to my interests, or build my own and promote them regularly on forums/flyers around the school

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where do you live now? You'd be surprised at how outdoorsy AZ actually is, the whole northern half of the state is all mountainous and a lot of it is national forest or national park and its mild enough in the summer and winter to do stuff. There's tons of places to go hiking around Phoenix and Tucson in the cooler months. There's plenty of gyms and shit like that and a lot of people leave town in the summer if they're able to. You could retreat to Idaho or Colorado if you could line up a place to go. The small towns in AZ, are generally, dumpy places where mexicans, indians or white trash trailer park people live, usually some combination of the 3 but there's a lot of people moving in from out of state, mostly retirees which is what I guess your parents are. Arizona is the Florida of the west. The Phx or Tucson areas are really your only choices for cities, Sedona is nice and Flagstaff is little college town but might be too far out of your way. Arizona is huge and it takes all day to drive across it. I personally would live anywhere within like 8 hours drive of where my parents live, but you sound like you want to be closer. In Phoenix generally the further you get from the "river" the cooler it is, Tucson is a few degrees cooler than downtown Phx and so are places like Deer Valley then up in the mountains its significantly cooler. The difference between 108 and 100 is appreciable.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Just got a month-to-month spot in a nicer area of Tucson to think things through and quickly drive down to see family this holiday
              >You could retreat to Idaho or Colorado
              yeah that's a good idea. How's southern California during the summer? I think that's also within an 8-hour drive

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's nice especially after the june gloom goes away and the water is warm (starts around 4th of July and lasts to about the end of September). But its expensive. Anywhere near the ocean comes at a premium and that's the most expensive time for hotels vacation rentals in coastal areas, several hundred per night wouldn't surprise me. I do see a ton of AZ plates parked in front of such places. I would honestly look into some kind of camp vehicle and do that if you plan to spend time here every summer. Campgrounds in coastal areas book up a year in advance.

                You could look at Sedona if you can afford it, Cottonwood is where the more normal people live, kinda redneck. Or Flagstaff if you want to be in a colder climate. The whole state of AZ seeing something of a population boom though as a lot of Californians that work remote or who have retired moved there.

                The California desert is also pretty cool in the winter.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >do you think it's tough meeting these girls if you're a bit older and not a part of the school?
        It is, unless you're their coke or party drug dealer. Anyone telling you otherwise is bullshitting, or leaving out the part where they give away $100s in drugs.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          hmm assuming I have no drugs, what's a better city to move to?

          > I work from home.
          Not with the current rent prices and the absolute flood of Californians into the state. The AMD/Intel factories and silicon valley relocating to the valley has sent rent through the roof. I'm moving out because of it. Back when I moved in around 2015-2016 you could get some good housing, decent rent places, and so on. Covid shoved like everyone thinking about leaving cali into this place and it sucks. I've lived here going on 8 years AMA, moved here in my mid 20's as well

          Phoenix has plenty to do but you're going to be paying out the ass
          Tuscon has some stuff to do and cheaper but is sketch
          The northern parts are expensive but safer in terms of things

          Compared to Phoenix it's not that bad, you get a more seasoned climate, better air, less bullshit whenever ASU decides to protest about a dindu.

          [...]
          Mill Ave is full of girls looking for an older single guy because HOLY FRICK every ASU girl has daddy issues.Go to Fat Tuesdays on a thursday night? get fricked by some 19-20 y/o with a fake id who is drinking their brains out.The big issue is they are all legit insane, and never stick your dick in crazy if they are in the same city as you.

          >Mill Ave is full of girls looking for an older single guy because HOLY FRICK every ASU girl has daddy issues.
          is it the same thing at U of A? So far leaning on Tucson since it's a closer drive to my family. Not sure if I just need to hoard some drugs or whatever as an in

          Sierra Vista is a generic military town with a kickass backyard. Cochise County is at 4000 ft, so you see chillier winters and milder summers than the valley. Freezing temps occur through March. But when Phoenix is 115°, Sierra Vista is 102°. A good monsoon can make late summer amazingly mild and beautiful. Sonora is very interesting to explore, and you might even consider San Carlos as a winter getaway. Overall yes, SE Arizona is a good place.

          what do you think of Tucson compared to Sierra Vista for a late 20s guy? I've been to both a bit and Sierra Vista seems pretty dead except the community college and occasional military chicks going in for training at the base. Tucson seems like a tough spot unless I focus on recent grad chicks, which are a bit older than I like (18-23). The big pros are a closer drive to my family, lot of outdoors shit and good weather most of the year

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >is this the same thing at U of A
            No, ASU is in Phoenix. U of A is considered to be the more serious school of the 2 with a focus on hard sciences.
            As far as where to move it depends on what you want. Phoenix is the much bigger city with more diverse economy but that might not matter to you. It's only like 2 hours away anyway. I wouldn't live in sierra vista. I think I'd be bored and lonely. A lot of Arizona graduates don't stay in Tucson though.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh, yeah I know it's different, but I meant if there were equivalent to Mill Ave and Fat Tuesdays over in Tucson? I like the sunny weather, hiking spots, things to do and ideally not standing out as a graduate. It seems you mainly get Mexicans here or college students or retirees. Idk where would be better within an 8-hour driving distance. I work from home, so getting a job locally doesn't really matter, but ideally the cost of living should be lowish as I rather invest as much as possible.

              >what do you think of Tucson compared to Sierra Vista for a late 20s guy?
              Not him but unless you're looking to shack up with a poor mexican girl who will make you breadwinner of all families close to her gl.

              The retiree's have been moving down there en mass due to cost spikes in PHX. Anyone wish skillsets moves away from Tuscon as pay is low and crime is high. The only reason I would have moved down there was because I got a meager 110k for my job that is still lower than shit in PHX with a good relo. Cost of living was lower but man not worth it just so you get a few days more rain and winters.

              Arizona is not worth moving to unless your work is relocating you for some reason at this point. Even then I'd not move specifically for being closer to my parents, the rest of the year it's going to be a chore to live in.

              How much do you make because without knowing that some places might just be a no go.

              I make $110k before taxes
              >crime is high.
              funny you mentioned that, only been here in Tucson a little bit and someone broke into my car just yesterday. I guess I forgot to lock it and they took all my pocket change, car chargers, old CDs, and a bunch of junk I didn't even care for. Wild.

              Grew up in west side Phoenix, I have family in nearly every part of the city and have lived in many of the suburbs. Thoughts on each, in the case that you live there:
              >Glendale
              South bad/Hispanic, north-central is probably the best area for cheap but relatively safe suburban/apartment living. More white hicks in this area than most others, also old people. Not trendy but there's lots to do if you look for it. Maybe not the best for meeting people
              >Scottsdale, downtown (north side is for millionaires)
              Ritsy, slightly walkable, tourist-filled and bachelorette party galore. It's exactly what you imagine, go for it if that's your vibe
              >Tempe
              ASU, so you'll meet smart people, party girls, morons and liberals. Best for walkability, trendy, interesting stuff to do, but expensive and really not the authentic Phoenix experience. Lightrail goes through some cool areas but I would not recommend it for major use as-is since it's somehow still ghetto and university students barely use it
              >South-east cities of Chandler, Gilbert and Mesa
              Mormons, wealth, California migrants, overpriced everything. It's where people who made their money in Scottsdale go to start a family, would absolutely not recommend for the average SighSeener. It's getting better here both in prices and in culture though, so if you have a friend in the area, consider checking out downtown Chandler/Gilbert
              >Outskirts I haven't mentioned, like Surprise, Maricopa and Apache Junction
              Please don't live in these places. They're cheaper on the surface but you can't get anywhere without driving for an hour on a freeway. Culture there is generally low-education, blue collar whites who were either priced out of California or fled from the increasingly Mexican south Phoenix. I can't vouch for all random suburbs, but most are this
              >Central parts of the city I haven't mentioned, like City of Phoenix
              Just don't, this is homeless central and is only visitable for work

              >would absolutely not recommend for the average SighSeener
              lol what did you mean by this?
              And do you have any opinion on Tucson? Currently here, but I'm tempted to move to Tempe. I just don't know how I'll deal with the heat besides leaving part of the year somewhere colder

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd recommend you live in Tempe if you aren't absolutely hustle culture (Scottsdale) and aren't blue-collar or WFH (Glendale). The heat is bearable imo, I even like it, but I grew up there and rarely go outside so it's a different story. Most people don't care since cars are AC'd
                >Tucson
                A more normal city but not in a good way, I'd rather go to U of A than ASU but other than that, Tucson is worse in almost every way
                >wdym by not for the average SighSeener
                Southeast side is judgy and upper middle class craft beer culture. It's just not the place I'd imagine someone from SighSee making any sort of human connection, but since it does have more young professionals, it's probably better for networking if that's your thing

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                The boomer tax is high so unless you’re well off I wouldn’t recommend it.

                Also this
                >get flooded with a bunch of +55 market homes
                >like no really flooded to where it causes a housing bubble
                >HOA's go up so landlords can refinance and sell homes
                >they all lobby to raise taxes for their broke asses
                Doesn't help that the weed tax goes to frick all in the state.

                The only reason to move to Tucson is if you like hiking or bike riding. As far as amenities, it's like a rust belt city in the desert. Everything is far.

                would you recommend any other city for someone that's wfh? Ideally low cost of living, good weather, things to do like hiking and where it's easy to make friends. Not sure if any of these are good - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/cheapest-places-live-us-us-news-world-report.html

                https://i.imgur.com/Rbhu32T.jpg

                I spent 5 weeks in Sierra Vista in March / April of this year for military related training. Not that it's a bad thing, but I promise you that there is a lot going on beneath the surface both there and Tuscon. Nothing nefarious, but if you have the eye for it you might catch on lol. I would take Sierra Vista over Tuscon any day, as the demographics are much better, the people are nicer, far less homeless, prettier surroundings, better weather, less people in general. I remember buying a dozen eggs from a few kids on the side of the road after a hike, like a lemonade stand but eggs instead. Much more of a suburban feel, and if you had children they would grow up relatively normal there. Not that I saw any women worth marrying though. Majority of the people I saw walking the streets were middle aged white folks and young white guys / a few spics. Some families too. The military base is really nice which was very surprising. The issue is unless you work as a gov employee or contractor on the base I really didn't see much of an opportunity for good employment. Tuscon really is a shithole where there are either homeless, old retirees, annoying and criminal spics, and a few college age women. Weather fricking sucks and their downtown is dirty. Not much to do either. If it was me, I would go for a nice suburb outside of Phoenix like Surprise, or go to Scottsdale. Sonora was really cool and nice too, but quite expensive. Final thoughts are the drive from Sierra Vista to Tuscon isn't really that long, as there are no cops on the roads and it's a straight shot. Picrel was taken on a trail in Sierra Vista during March.

                yeah, Sierra Vista is tempting. Currently renting an apartment in Tucson, might be better off renting a house in Sierra Vista. Phoenix is just so hot I wouldn't even go outside half the year. I'm pretty good at creating clubs and inviting people to my own private parties, hobbies, road trips etc, so maybe small towns would work for me and then just flying out to beaches, national parks, music festivals etc a few times a year

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Move to Rita Ranch or Catalina Foothills and only go into Tucson proper when you have to

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what do you think of Tucson compared to Sierra Vista for a late 20s guy?
            Not him but unless you're looking to shack up with a poor mexican girl who will make you breadwinner of all families close to her gl.

            The retiree's have been moving down there en mass due to cost spikes in PHX. Anyone wish skillsets moves away from Tuscon as pay is low and crime is high. The only reason I would have moved down there was because I got a meager 110k for my job that is still lower than shit in PHX with a good relo. Cost of living was lower but man not worth it just so you get a few days more rain and winters.

            Arizona is not worth moving to unless your work is relocating you for some reason at this point. Even then I'd not move specifically for being closer to my parents, the rest of the year it's going to be a chore to live in.

            How much do you make because without knowing that some places might just be a no go.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >>you're looking to shack up with a poor mexican girl who will make you breadwinner
              Funny thing is that's still more dignified and cheaper than marrying the average feminist american foid who'll divorce rape you and abort your kids

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was a frat bro at u of a in 2005, your not getting a bj from any gifl at these schools unless your 6'4 and giga jacked and really good looking.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do you think it's tough meeting these girls if you're a bit older and not a part of the school?
          Yes. I went to ASU, trust me the girl you're picturing is not trying to frick some 30 year old townie.
          She wants Chad Thomas Erickson III who's 6'4, looks like an Abercrombie model, and is in the most prestigious frat on campus. (She will grudgingly settle for Brad Michael Davidson IV, the 6'2 lacrosse player)

          >I was a frat bro at u of a in 2005, your not getting a bj from any gifl at these schools unless your 6'4 and giga jacked and really good looking.
          >Yes. I went to ASU, trust me the girl you're picturing is not trying to frick some 30 year old townie.
          >She wants Chad Thomas Erickson III who's 6'4, looks like an Abercrombie model, and is in the most prestigious frat on campus. (She will grudgingly settle for Brad Michael Davidson IV, the 6'2 lacrosse player)
          What did you guys end up doing to cope?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            That's for dating college girls as a college guy btw.
            If you're asking for advice on dating college girls as a late 20s/early 30s townie, I have no idea.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >howd you cope?
            I told you at uofa i was one of those 6'3 frat chads, i fricked alpha phis and gphis

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >do you think it's tough meeting these girls if you're a bit older and not a part of the school?
        Yes. I went to ASU, trust me the girl you're picturing is not trying to frick some 30 year old townie.
        She wants Chad Thomas Erickson III who's 6'4, looks like an Abercrombie model, and is in the most prestigious frat on campus. (She will grudgingly settle for Brad Michael Davidson IV, the 6'2 lacrosse player)

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's by definition not a townie, he's from out of town

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            A townie is just someone who lives in a college town but isn't a student. It doesn't matter if you've lived there 5 minutes or 50 years.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          What a fricking dystopian Shithole then. Crossing out Arizona as a place to live on my list as an older guy.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean it's perfect to live as a really older guy, tons of retirement communities

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sierra Vista is a generic military town with a kickass backyard. Cochise County is at 4000 ft, so you see chillier winters and milder summers than the valley. Freezing temps occur through March. But when Phoenix is 115°, Sierra Vista is 102°. A good monsoon can make late summer amazingly mild and beautiful. Sonora is very interesting to explore, and you might even consider San Carlos as a winter getaway. Overall yes, SE Arizona is a good place.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at Prescott too. Neat mountain town. It's another option, a lot of older people and gotten big and expensive but even if you don't want to move there the whiskey bars are cool. And it's only like an hour from Phoenix.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Grew up in west side Phoenix, I have family in nearly every part of the city and have lived in many of the suburbs. Thoughts on each, in the case that you live there:
    >Glendale
    South bad/Hispanic, north-central is probably the best area for cheap but relatively safe suburban/apartment living. More white hicks in this area than most others, also old people. Not trendy but there's lots to do if you look for it. Maybe not the best for meeting people
    >Scottsdale, downtown (north side is for millionaires)
    Ritsy, slightly walkable, tourist-filled and bachelorette party galore. It's exactly what you imagine, go for it if that's your vibe
    >Tempe
    ASU, so you'll meet smart people, party girls, morons and liberals. Best for walkability, trendy, interesting stuff to do, but expensive and really not the authentic Phoenix experience. Lightrail goes through some cool areas but I would not recommend it for major use as-is since it's somehow still ghetto and university students barely use it
    >South-east cities of Chandler, Gilbert and Mesa
    Mormons, wealth, California migrants, overpriced everything. It's where people who made their money in Scottsdale go to start a family, would absolutely not recommend for the average SighSeener. It's getting better here both in prices and in culture though, so if you have a friend in the area, consider checking out downtown Chandler/Gilbert
    >Outskirts I haven't mentioned, like Surprise, Maricopa and Apache Junction
    Please don't live in these places. They're cheaper on the surface but you can't get anywhere without driving for an hour on a freeway. Culture there is generally low-education, blue collar whites who were either priced out of California or fled from the increasingly Mexican south Phoenix. I can't vouch for all random suburbs, but most are this
    >Central parts of the city I haven't mentioned, like City of Phoenix
    Just don't, this is homeless central and is only visitable for work

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I spent 5 weeks in Sierra Vista in March / April of this year for military related training. Not that it's a bad thing, but I promise you that there is a lot going on beneath the surface both there and Tuscon. Nothing nefarious, but if you have the eye for it you might catch on lol. I would take Sierra Vista over Tuscon any day, as the demographics are much better, the people are nicer, far less homeless, prettier surroundings, better weather, less people in general. I remember buying a dozen eggs from a few kids on the side of the road after a hike, like a lemonade stand but eggs instead. Much more of a suburban feel, and if you had children they would grow up relatively normal there. Not that I saw any women worth marrying though. Majority of the people I saw walking the streets were middle aged white folks and young white guys / a few spics. Some families too. The military base is really nice which was very surprising. The issue is unless you work as a gov employee or contractor on the base I really didn't see much of an opportunity for good employment. Tuscon really is a shithole where there are either homeless, old retirees, annoying and criminal spics, and a few college age women. Weather fricking sucks and their downtown is dirty. Not much to do either. If it was me, I would go for a nice suburb outside of Phoenix like Surprise, or go to Scottsdale. Sonora was really cool and nice too, but quite expensive. Final thoughts are the drive from Sierra Vista to Tuscon isn't really that long, as there are no cops on the roads and it's a straight shot. Picrel was taken on a trail in Sierra Vista during March.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The boomer tax is high so unless you’re well off I wouldn’t recommend it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also this
      >get flooded with a bunch of +55 market homes
      >like no really flooded to where it causes a housing bubble
      >HOA's go up so landlords can refinance and sell homes
      >they all lobby to raise taxes for their broke asses
      Doesn't help that the weed tax goes to frick all in the state.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also this
      >get flooded with a bunch of +55 market homes
      >like no really flooded to where it causes a housing bubble
      >HOA's go up so landlords can refinance and sell homes
      >they all lobby to raise taxes for their broke asses
      Doesn't help that the weed tax goes to frick all in the state.

      The snowbirds won? Where I used to live in Tucson they lived in several upscale neighborhoods which were probably mostly vacant 3/4th of the year. They'd come up here for winter and leave back to wherever they usually live the other 3/4th of the year. It was nice living near them because the traffic wasn't so bad, but I saw a lot of new building taking place around me. I guess word got out.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Californians flooded in during covid, silicon valley has been moving to phx, and snowbirds have sold their properties at premiums. It's a cluster frick now

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason to move to Tucson is if you like hiking or bike riding. As far as amenities, it's like a rust belt city in the desert. Everything is far.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been to Arizona many times, it generally seems like a high Chad environment. Dudes are more fit, pockets of major money around Paradise Valley and Fountain Hills, smart lawyers and doctors from Mayo Clinic. The white women are hotter, demanding, more sexually adventurous. The people frick a lot and there way more kink communities and swingers groups than average. Black guys can clean up like mad with middle aged white couples.

    If you have incel resentment issues or low confidence this is not a place to go. You should be reasonably fit, successful, and adventurous or best two out of three to maximize your enjoyment. I am mostly talking about whites, the Mexican communities are pretty insular and live separately.

    Oh, and don't get too hung up on politics as a Trumpanzees or whacky progressive. Arizona worships its middle of the road mavericks like John McCain, Sinema, Captain Mark Kelly. If you show up spouting crazy extreme shit it will not be appreciated.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What can you tell me about the native American community? Are they pretty insular too? I imagine they vibe with the mexicans but do they generally hang around whites? I know that next to Phoenix is the largest indian reservation in America

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's pretty insular. Though, a lot of them are culturally Mexican and so are just out and about like normal. Going into the reservations themselves is kind of weird, and you can't really go off-road much without guides whom you have to pay.
        Though, it ultimately depends on what you do. I used to go to metal shows, and Indian dudes love metal so I've gotten fricked up with a bunch of long-haired, fat, middle aged indian dudes.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can also just have an in. I live near a reservation, and I'm Catholic. So, they're just there in Church and they do normal Church stuff like help out with festivals and stuff and you interact with them there.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can also just have an in. I live near a reservation, and I'm Catholic. So, they're just there in Church and they do normal Church stuff like help out with festivals and stuff and you interact with them there.

          Are whites/outsiders allowed to watch pow wows? I've always wanted to see one in person and it would seem like a waste to travel to the southwest without experiencing one

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You'd have to look around at the various tribes. The Hopi used to have a big major religious festival that you could go to if you behaved well and asked and such. No idea what the situation is now. I never did it.
            The big nation near Tucson is the Tohono Oodham. You can go check their website or check at the university for stuff like that. A professor there is a big representative for the Oodham. Ofelia Zepada.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    f you're already in AZ and you want something close in a nice small town, I'd definitely look at Bayfield Colorado . You'd be 20 minutes from Durango and epic skiing. There are apartments for 900/month. The food is really good for a small town. It's all mom and pop restaurants, maybe 1 or 2 fast food places in town at the most. Durango has a shit ton of hotels, so it would be easy to get a comfy front desk hotel job and commute 20 minutes to work. Colorado minimum wage is $14.42 an hour, so you can work anywhere and afford 900 for rent. Get a girlfriend/roomie and split the rent.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      hmm definitely will look into it, thank you. I've lived in Boulder and CO Springs for work and it was awesome.

      It's good for old single males. Start learning golf buddy

      is it that bad for young single males? tried golf but I enjoy tennis a ton more.

      I live in the desert south of Tucson, east of Sahuarita near the Santa Rita mountains.
      What do you want from life? Southern Arizona is my favorite place in the entire world. But it depends on what you want?
      If you want to date, go to Phoenix unless you're going to go to UA. Dating scene is not great in Tucson. If you don't want to date or you have a family it's nice.
      What do you want?

      The most important thing to me is whatever lets me keep the most money. Since I work remotely it’s just a little weird not thinking that I’d make more in a bigger city. I actually make more than ever just being at home and actively investing/monitoring the markets and receiving rewards for participating in some early tech.

      Besides that, what’s important to me is seeing my family, hiking, breathing in good clean air, nice gyms, tennis courts, and basketball courts. Ideally where there's people to play with. If not, I'm good at building clubs and hyping up stuff to do.

      I also DJ/produce music as a hobby. I’ve had a few gigs at a club over in downtown Phoenix where a buddy of mine plays every Friday. I still debate if it’s worth moving up there just to give myself a chance to build a career of sorts. I’ve mainly been building up a YouTube and Soundcloud, which I can do anywhere. So far in Tucson, I’ve played at a few bars just for fun, but it gets old playing the same pop mixes over and over. I’d just rather create things.

      Dating is a lower priority than the other stuff, but I like finding pretty girls under 25 or so to date and share hobbies with. I'm sure it's easiest in Phoenix. Idk how to go about it besides just going up there regularly for concerts/events, playing DJ gigs, joining a tennis league/club, or finding girls off Instagram/dating apps etc.

      Right now I'm leaning on just whatever lets me invest the most money. I rather just live off dividends once I hit my 30s and then be free to travel the world whenever I want for the remaining decades of my life.

      https://i.imgur.com/rc5VxlQ.jpg

      When visiting your family, at least once do the slightly longer drive through Sonoita. It's very nice. Go explore the mountains around Tucson.
      Mount Lemmon is the big one, everyone knows it.
      Check out Sonoita and Patagonia down in Santa Ritas. Both very pretty towns. Sonoita is on the non-freeway route to Sierra Vista. It's a growing wine area of Southern Arizona
      (Jerome and Cottonwood up north is the main wine region of Arizona, Sonoita is still growing but there are about 10 vineyards.)
      Bisbee is a cool city if you like weird hippy towns. That's near your family, and I quite like it. The comedian Doug Stanhope lives there and sometimes does shows if that means anything to you at all.

      Hiking, check out Madero Canyon which is very nice. It's probably too cold right now, but use your judgement. I go up there a lot in the summer since it's generally in the 80s when it's 100 or so in Tucson.
      Don't be afraid to go to the southside or otherwise try random restaurants. It's a good food city, a lot of it is in little family shops.
      Go to Estrella bakery. It's a mexican bakery. Get a cochito. It's a wonderful pastry, just be aware it's not super sweet. Considering eating it with coffee.
      Look out for Tucson Meet Yourself in October. It's a great local festival. I'd say go out and meet folks, the people from here are frequently poor and friendly.
      And don't be afraid to just go drive around the outskirts. Nogales is a nice drive.

      great suggestions, thank you!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Money. I have no thoughts. I work in tech and make money, it used to be very, very cheap here but things have gotten more expensive as people move here. But, still I live in a house on acreage down south and it was about 400k. Would have been half that 4 years ago, but it's still not that crazy. The further south you get, the cheaper it gets. Rio Rico and such is pretty affordable, but that's really a border town. Bisbee and Tombstone are relatively cheap right now. Those are also small towns. I don't have much to say on the price thing. I'd say it's more important to figure out what you want.
        As for music: Tucson is a hipster town due to the university. You can find underground stuff if you know where to look. Plus, there are a fair amount of desert raves.
        The biggest one I'm aware of is the Gem and Jam Festival. Google it, you'll find it.
        Tucson has the largest gem, mineral, and fossil show in the entire world. It takes place each February. This rave built up alongside of it. If you get to know folks you can find more desert raves. I don't know them anymore, but you'll find them. Some smaller music venues that have some rave culture, Club XS, 121 Toole Ave, Club Congress, Sun Culture.
        Your results may vary. But these are some. There are smaller and weirder venues. And if you're willing to put forth the effort, I've gone to a fair amount of basement shows that are uber hipster. You'll just have to ingratiate yourself for those.

        Tennis: https://reffkintenniscenter.com/
        This is the major one, it's in central Tucson. Tucson has some sort of Tennis scene. I don't have a great sense of it. It might be really good, but I don't know. Tucson has weird things that are big here, bicyling is big here for instance. Also, David Foster Wallace went to UA and played Tennis here. Which is why Infinite Jest directly references the above linked tennis court. So, fun fact.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Finally, hiking, you just need to get out. There are four mountain ranges, one in each direction. It's hard to go wrong. Consider driving out to Safford for Mount Graham as well, it's very nice. Learn how to hike in the summer, if you so choose to. It's very doable, but you need to know what you're doing. Right now it's easy, though if you're going to peaks it does snow and gets quite cold.
          I don't think you can go wrong. The Santa Ritas to the south tend to be the least busy because they're the furthest from town. Madero Canyon is extremely nice, I recommend it.

          Biggest thing is get around an interact with people. Tucson definitely has a vibe. It's one of its greatest virtues is that it's not for everyone. Give it a go and if it's not for you, that's life. No harm no foul. I personally believe it is a magical place though. Make sure you're around in the summer for Monsoon season. It's the best time of year, and snowbirds never get to experience it.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hmm yeah I should subject myself to over two months of 110 degree highs that sure does sound like fun

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You get used to it. I actually quite like the hot summer nights. But what happens is you learn to hike in the early morning and enjoy the warm nights.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah way too hot

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's good for old single males. Start learning golf buddy

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I live in the desert south of Tucson, east of Sahuarita near the Santa Rita mountains.
    What do you want from life? Southern Arizona is my favorite place in the entire world. But it depends on what you want?
    If you want to date, go to Phoenix unless you're going to go to UA. Dating scene is not great in Tucson. If you don't want to date or you have a family it's nice.
    What do you want?

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    When visiting your family, at least once do the slightly longer drive through Sonoita. It's very nice. Go explore the mountains around Tucson.
    Mount Lemmon is the big one, everyone knows it.
    Check out Sonoita and Patagonia down in Santa Ritas. Both very pretty towns. Sonoita is on the non-freeway route to Sierra Vista. It's a growing wine area of Southern Arizona
    (Jerome and Cottonwood up north is the main wine region of Arizona, Sonoita is still growing but there are about 10 vineyards.)
    Bisbee is a cool city if you like weird hippy towns. That's near your family, and I quite like it. The comedian Doug Stanhope lives there and sometimes does shows if that means anything to you at all.

    Hiking, check out Madero Canyon which is very nice. It's probably too cold right now, but use your judgement. I go up there a lot in the summer since it's generally in the 80s when it's 100 or so in Tucson.
    Don't be afraid to go to the southside or otherwise try random restaurants. It's a good food city, a lot of it is in little family shops.
    Go to Estrella bakery. It's a mexican bakery. Get a cochito. It's a wonderful pastry, just be aware it's not super sweet. Considering eating it with coffee.
    Look out for Tucson Meet Yourself in October. It's a great local festival. I'd say go out and meet folks, the people from here are frequently poor and friendly.
    And don't be afraid to just go drive around the outskirts. Nogales is a nice drive.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm in my late 20s and live in Scottsdale. Honestly it reminds me a lot of Orange County: not really somewhere you'd go on vacation but a great place to live.

    People are outdoorsy, golf and hiking are especially huge. Mountain biking scene is growing fast. This is one of the West's big nightlife destination so there's lots of clubbing if you're into that. Definitely hotter girls here than the average American city. Everyone is originally from somewhere else.

    It's not that cheap - nowhere west of Denver really is - but it's also significantly less expensive than California or New York/DC/Boston. Scottsdale is like 86% White so that's a nice plus too.

    Job market is okay, nothing special. Most people I know here work remotely for companies based in other cities. Making friends isn't particularly easy here, but it's not like people are cold either. I think it's hard to meet friends anywhere these days.

    The easygoing vibe is a double-edged sword. Sometimes I feel like I'm semi-retired at 29. Just sunshine and golf and long hikes. Doesn't help that like 60% of the people in my condo complex are actual retirees, lol. The Phoenix metro is huge, about 5 million people, but there's no grit or bustle here. For anyone coming from a place like New York, DC, SF, Chicago, etc that's going to be a big adjustment. If that's something you need to thrive then I would advise you look elsewhere.

    Happy to answer any specific questions about Scottsdale/metro Phoenix or AZ in general.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      is originally from somewhere else
      That means it's soulless
      >>I think it's hard to meet friends anywhere these days
      Nah, it's still really easy to make friends in the midwest and south. I saw some memes where people from the southwest are stereotyped as being mean so I think it's just regional
      >>no grit or bustle here
      What do these even mean?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That means it's soulless
        Eh, I disagree. Almost every coastal big city is that way, and I certainly wouldn't call them soulless. Unless you think "sovl" can only be found in heckin wholesome small towns or something.

        >Nah, it's still really easy to make friends in the midwest and south
        That wasn't my experience in Chicago but I'll concede that's probably not typical of the Midwest. In Chicago EVERYONE went to the same six universities and just kept their circle when they moved to the city. Whereas in Scottsdale so many other people were in the same position as me, so they were open to making new friends. That said I definitely think people here are flakier than in other regions, very common to make plans and never follow through on them.

        My experience with Southerners is they are indeed very friendly.

        >What do these even mean?
        Hard to describe but it's a certain energy, a atmosphere of hustle that exists in some cities. The pace of life is fast, people talk fast, they have places to be. Everyone you meet has a plan, a goal, a side hustle. NYC is the best example by far, SF for the West Coast.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          every coastal big city is that way, and I certainly wouldn't call them soulless
          Coastal big cities are soulless not just because everyone's a tourist but also because of libs and liberal politics
          towns
          Anyone that says small towns inherently have sovl has never actually lived in one, there's a lot of small towns that are decaying and infested with opioids these days
          but I'll concede that's probably not typical of the Midwest
          Chicago is a shithole and shouldn't be considered the midwest at all. Pretty much anywhere else in the midwest it's easy to make friends

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Hipsters still exist with zoomers, now they're just called art hoes or alt and you can find them at every college campus, there's been a massive downgrade though as they're all genderqueer/non binary now with obnoxious politics as the center of the subculture. Afaik hipster girls from the 2010s were more like emo girls where listening to obscure music was their primary interest

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ahh yeah, I know what you mean. With those septum piercings, fricking horrible. And I can't even imagine trying to navigate college dating with all the gender stuff going on right now.

      >Afaik hipster girls from the 2010s were more like emo girls where listening to obscure music was their primary interest
      Pretty much. There was a sweet spot around 2009-13 where a ton of girls were trying to ape Zooey Deschanel's bit. Lots of Fleet Foxes and Animal Collective. Sundresses worn ironically. No tattoos. What a great time.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>2009-13 where a ton of girls were trying to ape Zooey Deschanel's bit. Lots of Fleet Foxes and Animal Collective
        I think this was just your region cause I don't remember that at all, in my area the hipster girls all wore snapbacks, hipster glasses and obey merch. They usually listened to skrillex and deadmau5 and lots of dubstep

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Zooey Deschanel quirky ukulele hipster vs the Kreayshawn do molly and go to a Flux Pavilion show hipster. Lmao.

          I totally forgot about dubstep. Remember when mashups were huge for like 6 months? Everyone was listening to Girl Talk and Super Mash Bros. Man these zoomers have no idea what they missed.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I do, I was in hs at the time and they used to play mash ups at our dances, everyone loved it. This was before rap took over and made dances boring

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    These kinds of girls are all snowbunnies now.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was written by a pajeet virgin who has never spoken to a woman outside his family

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cope

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Go outside rajneesh

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes flagstaff is great

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