In the eyes of society thanks to religion and activists, yes.
But the fact that people are going there and paying money, rather than just raping and pillaging like they would have done over the centuries, is I think a fair transaction.
People will always do jobs that make them more money than back-breaking work for peanuts. These girls could be in the rice fields, but they've gone to the city to make more money from sex, send money home and try to secure a future that would be unachievable in the same timeframe via other means.
I personally don't deal with pimps or organised crime, but I don't see the problem with freelancers or people just doing a job in the industry.
No, if you ever visited a country that supplies the demand for sex tourism, you'd understand how it hurts literally no one (except maybe the tourist's ex wife's feelings).
This of course doesn't include trafficking, which is coercion and is definitely wrong.
If people want to sell their bodies to make money it's their choice, I don't think there is anything morally wrong about it. You are paying money to engage in a service that both parties are interested in.
The problem is when prostitution is a result of human trafficking, or exploitation; this is very common all over the world. Women and men are trapped into selling themselves by pimps or mama-sans. It's common to see mothers sell their children to pimps or rich foreigners, or for women to be kidnapped from a war zone. So, yes it is morally wrong because of the immoral actions that lead to them selling themselves. Unless you can find a real, organic prostitute, which is probably less than 1% of all prostitutions on the planet.
1%? Give me a break. How did you come up with hat number? This thread is about sex tourism. No sex tourist will find an exploited prostitute unless they actively go looking for one in a country that does not cater to foreign sex tourists.
Why is it almost always fat middle aged white dudes in SEA countries desperately looking for paid pussy or an easy wife who wants a token white husband?
No. There's literally no difference between fucking someone overseas and fucking someone in your own country, except maybe the girls look different, treat you nicer, or have cheaper prices.
9/10 the reason sex tourism exists in said country is because it was historically the case and the locals engage in it and want to profit off it. For example, sex slavery was the norm in SEA so if any Asian identity zoomer tries to shame you about it they are a retard. Or Colombians who engage in drogas and putas way before passport bros and Reddit tech morons found the place
stop coping white boy, it's even worse when shitskins and women do it
keep paying for one of the most overrated experiences on earth with some of the most unattractive people you could ever find if that helps you cope
It's not immoral in the sense that others should be shamed for partaking, but it's a personal choice that depends on your view of the world and moral framework.
Why is it almost always fat middle aged white dudes in SEA countries desperately looking for paid pussy or an easy wife who wants a token white husband?
This is probably the right thread to ask this: why are so many prostitutes in Europe Romanian? Even the ones in clean and regulated brothels are Romanian, so it's not just sex trafficking
Because it's the poorest country in the EU.
A good-looking Romanian girl can make the average monthly salary in just a couple of hours.
You must be an American if you don't know this. Stupid mutt just stay in Louisiana or some other shithole you are from...
Thanks for the explanation, I knew it had something to do with poverty but I don't know the whole story.
Yes I'm American, and I will be going back to Europe (Budapest and Prague) later this year.
Try and stop me.
Because it's the poorest country in the EU.
A good-looking Romanian girl can make the average monthly salary in just a couple of hours.
You must be an American if you don't know this. Stupid mutt just stay in Louisiana or some other shithole you are from...
there are poorer countries where the women don't engage in as much sex work
romanian women are sluts and being a whore is completely normalised for them. same as colombian women - if you try to find a prostitute in ecuador or peru she will probably be a colombian on holiday
>why are so many prostitutes in Europe Romanian?
Many are actually Russian. But have you visited Romania at all? You'll see most of their infrastructure is from their 1970's Communist times and even only recently around 2004 where things started to take a turn for the better. So imagine growing up with their version of Boomers who know nothing but living under Communism. A young person would want to do better instead of languish in a country where most people still are feeling the old world and grow vegetables and livestock in their back yard for fear of starvation. Unfortunately, they are being overrun by their local mafia or international mafia. Visiting there you will also notice how many random "pharmacy" or casinos are around.
Objectively? No. It's consensual. And if you're talking about prostitutes specifically, you're giving them more money then they could ever make normally.
From some religious perspective? Yes
From a modern political activist perspective also yes. Just like factories are "exploiting" 3rd world labor. What this logic forgets though, is that without all that, they'd just be dirt poor and starving. SEA had economies that relied on backbreaking rice farming. There's no surprise that everyone there prefers working in sweatshops or opening their legs. Being their customer base is morally neutral.
In terms of self respect; Yes. Normally getting laid happens cause you're good enough for women to want to fuck you. Sex tourism means you're lowering the difficulty setting/ your standards. If you travel there anyway, and sex with locals is just a side benefit, then there's nothing wrong with it.
>f you travel there anyway, and sex with locals is just a side benefit, then there's nothing wrong with it.
this is something that doesn't get mentioned too much. you go to SEA as a decent looking white guy and you are going to get p4p pussy offered to you CONSTANTLY. if you're 3 beers in and some qt3.14 thai girl offers to fuck you for $40, thats hard to turn down.
>In terms of self respect; Yes. Normally getting laid happens cause you're good enough for women to want to fuck you. Sex tourism means you're lowering the difficulty setting/ your standards.
Why is this immoral?
it isn't "immoral", just a lot less respectable then getting girls normally. Like, if you're travelling across the planet to scrape the barrel for sex, that's just sad. That's why wrong "in terms of self respect", not "immoral" .
What if I'm traveling across the planet to experience culture and explore a new place, but I just spend one day in a brothel since it happens to be there
I think it's aesthetically unpleasant but not morally wrong. It is still tourism so it does have the same effects of boomers going to see some old building or a famous swamp. The problem with the adult industry in general is that it tends to attract the worst elements of society in both sides of the transaction. Drugs, robberies, homicides follow places like that (specially the cheap ones). But its similar to the effects of club culture tbh.
I don't mind paying for sex nor do I think its wrong. I actually think it's less bad than ONS. I just would not go to the other side of the world to only (or as my prime reason) have sex, whether paying for it or not.
I also do think it's quite sad that some places are remembered only because of that but I guess it should be blamed on the locals since it's their country to fix.
>barrel for sex
I do agree but one could also use a luxury escort service where he would be dealing with models (some who are really models) and in the top 20, sometimes top 1% of the local population. Obviously that would be very expensive and there would not be any need to travel to do that unless you have a really exotic taste and you're from a very conservative and/or homogeneous society.
>I do agree but one could also use a luxury escort service where he would be dealing with models (some who are really models) and in the top 20, sometimes top 1% of the local population. Obviously that would be very expensive and there would not be any need to travel to do that unless you have a really exotic taste and you're from a very conservative and/or homogeneous society.
Anon I dont think you realize the extent of pussy hyperinflation in the US or the illegality of prostution. Even doing this in a country like Spain would be significantly cheaper than the US
Respectfully disagree, I think for like 90% of men the women they can get through p4p is probably better and less effort than jestermaxxing for a woman and setting up dates. Yeah I know some anon is gonna claim he is a white chad and he gets it foh freeee but womens smv is so elevated these days even chads have to simp a little bit
The irony is that gays like him seem to be completely ignorant to the fact that despite all the PUA / TRP / manosphere material present, incelibacy and dating still keep getting worse - the whole 60% of young men never having a relationship statistic that came out a while ago for example.
Wtf is jestermaxxing
Spending the maximum amount of time, money and mental energy being a dancing monkey while carrying a candle through a blizzard to keep it alight.
>travelling across the planet to scrape the barrel for sex, that's just sad.
American projection. The bottom of the barrel women all live in America, and that’s what you’ll get by staying there. You OTOH get way hotter chicks with no roasties by traveling.
Depends on where you’re going to and how you handle it. You might be seriously financially helping out some poor whore in a 3rd world country. Don’t be a creep, keep it transactional/discreet and don’t fall in love with her - probably fine. Don’t get her pregnant either, though it’s likely she could be trying to baby trap clients. And also, don’t brag about it online or anything - just makes you look like a loser. Of course it also helps to be the kind of person who doesn’t need sex tourism to have sex; it’s a lot less weird and embarrassing when a normal dude pays for an escort or whatever versus some turbo virgin incel spending betabux.
It IS cringe to do sex tourism in developed countries. Weebs will be angry but that’s just because they’re insecure gays
>Of course it also helps to be the kind of person who doesn’t need sex tourism to have sex; it’s a lot less weird and embarrassing when a normal dude pays for an escort or whatever versus some turbo virgin incel spending betabux.
What is this argument? What does it matter? I'm only allowed to go eat at a restaurant if I can cook well? It's exactly virgins who need it most.
It's a cope. >I'm paying to fuck the same hoes that incels fuck, but I'm still totally better than those incels. It's just totally different when I do it even though it's the same thing, okay.
Part of maturing as a man is growing calloused and realizing that most "morality" is just bullshit to manipulate you into serving others for no reason and owning nothing and being happy. Once you start keeping an eye out for it, you'll notice how morality is almost always rooted in someone's self-interest. The male sex-drive is where it seems to hit the hardest. We've demonized male sexuality so much that I'm surprised we don't have open efforts to chemically castrate men. When someone tries to stop you from getting something on the basis of morals, ask yourself "If I have no authority to take it, what authority do they have to deny me it?"
It’s Christian slave morality, they want you to grovel and simp for the validation of females and make it the sole purpose of your existence. It’s disgusting
Yes
I'm not going to try and stop anyone here engaging in it because why fucking bother, but don't lie to yourself that you're not exploiting these women.
He means you’re not allowed to buy any services or products from anyone, ever. Women are FORCED into working, don’t you see? Therefore you aren’t allowed to engage in any business with them, since the money keeps them wanting to be in that profession making money. But if you don’t engage in bsuiness with them, maybe they’ll.. erm.. not work.
Also you are obligated to give all of your money to women when you see them because they’re opressed. So you are allowed to see hookers especially on Onlyfans and give them your wallets, but you are NOT ALLOWED to get any services or products from them. Also if you pay them you’re a creepy incel who should be arrested, but also if you fon’t pay then you’re contributing to womens’ opression and should be arrested for hate speech.
TLDR give them your fucking wallet, chud! It’s totally not robbery.
Women who for whatever reason entrap men, and make virtual slaves out of them, where in the end the only things they end up sucking are the joy from someone they supposedly loves life.
Like all markets sex tourism only exists to figuratively ‘fill a hole’ which is essentially caused by modern womens in developed nations appalling behaviour and attitudes.
Believe it or not NO MAN wakes up one day and thinks, you know I want to fuck some bitch who looks and smells like a monkey, they do it because they simply don’t want to spend any more time with women who are utterly disgusting cunts of things who’s only skill is inducing vomiting in others.
Women who argue sex tourism is wrong are blind to this fact and 100% the problem, who shame themselves in their attempt to shame others, and deserve the sanity warping crippling loneliness they endure.
Someone wants to have fun, and pay a few bucks for it? What fucking business is that of anyone’s?
Only the most miserable of cunts has an opinion on it, and they should seriously consider suicide.
Morality is based on regions. Moral in Thailand is not moral in other places. Ethics is separate from morality, it crosses borders and cultures. There's nothing unethical about negotiated and consensual sex among adults. Marriage in the West is also a form of negotiated sex in exchange for tangible and intangible things. If you suspect that the woman you're paying to have sex with you is forced to do it, then you've crossed over the ethical line, imo. Funding that kind of slavery is participating in it. Absolutely everything else is fine.
Who defines morals?
If you belong to a religion, then yes.
In the eyes of society thanks to religion and activists, yes.
But the fact that people are going there and paying money, rather than just raping and pillaging like they would have done over the centuries, is I think a fair transaction.
People will always do jobs that make them more money than back-breaking work for peanuts. These girls could be in the rice fields, but they've gone to the city to make more money from sex, send money home and try to secure a future that would be unachievable in the same timeframe via other means.
I personally don't deal with pimps or organised crime, but I don't see the problem with freelancers or people just doing a job in the industry.
I lost my virginity in Amsterdam so I'd say no
what a retard
Why would it be? It’s two willing adult parties making a transaction
No, if you ever visited a country that supplies the demand for sex tourism, you'd understand how it hurts literally no one (except maybe the tourist's ex wife's feelings).
This of course doesn't include trafficking, which is coercion and is definitely wrong.
yes, of course.
If people want to sell their bodies to make money it's their choice, I don't think there is anything morally wrong about it. You are paying money to engage in a service that both parties are interested in.
The problem is when prostitution is a result of human trafficking, or exploitation; this is very common all over the world. Women and men are trapped into selling themselves by pimps or mama-sans. It's common to see mothers sell their children to pimps or rich foreigners, or for women to be kidnapped from a war zone. So, yes it is morally wrong because of the immoral actions that lead to them selling themselves. Unless you can find a real, organic prostitute, which is probably less than 1% of all prostitutions on the planet.
1%? Give me a break. How did you come up with hat number? This thread is about sex tourism. No sex tourist will find an exploited prostitute unless they actively go looking for one in a country that does not cater to foreign sex tourists.
I see, all the prostitutes are full of GMOs.
It's called LBH
No. There's literally no difference between fucking someone overseas and fucking someone in your own country, except maybe the girls look different, treat you nicer, or have cheaper prices.
>isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?
9/10 the reason sex tourism exists in said country is because it was historically the case and the locals engage in it and want to profit off it. For example, sex slavery was the norm in SEA so if any Asian identity zoomer tries to shame you about it they are a retard. Or Colombians who engage in drogas and putas way before passport bros and Reddit tech morons found the place
There is nothing morally wrong that happens between two consenting adults.
Only bad when white men do it, not bad when shitskin men go to europe to do it and when white women go to jamaica/cuba to do it
stop coping white boy, it's even worse when shitskins and women do it
keep paying for one of the most overrated experiences on earth with some of the most unattractive people you could ever find if that helps you cope
Lol seethe brokie. These words fall on deaf ears when my body count is 220. I’m basically a modern day prince LOL
Laughable humblebragging and most likely lies anyway. You’ve gotta be 14
A prince of shitskins? Sure.
t. well-off guy with means to passport bro but wouldn't touch SEAmonkeys with a 10 foot pole
It's not immoral in the sense that others should be shamed for partaking, but it's a personal choice that depends on your view of the world and moral framework.
Why is it almost always fat middle aged white dudes in SEA countries desperately looking for paid pussy or an easy wife who wants a token white husband?
What's going on over there? Are you guys okay?
Dependa where.
If it's in Cambodia, probably.
If it's in Austria or Switzerland, no.
>If it's in Cambodia, probably.
How so?
This is probably the right thread to ask this: why are so many prostitutes in Europe Romanian? Even the ones in clean and regulated brothels are Romanian, so it's not just sex trafficking
Because it's the poorest country in the EU.
A good-looking Romanian girl can make the average monthly salary in just a couple of hours.
You must be an American if you don't know this. Stupid mutt just stay in Louisiana or some other shithole you are from...
Thanks for the explanation, I knew it had something to do with poverty but I don't know the whole story.
Yes I'm American, and I will be going back to Europe (Budapest and Prague) later this year.
Try and stop me.
there are poorer countries where the women don't engage in as much sex work
romanian women are sluts and being a whore is completely normalised for them. same as colombian women - if you try to find a prostitute in ecuador or peru she will probably be a colombian on holiday
>why are so many prostitutes in Europe Romanian?
Many are actually Russian. But have you visited Romania at all? You'll see most of their infrastructure is from their 1970's Communist times and even only recently around 2004 where things started to take a turn for the better. So imagine growing up with their version of Boomers who know nothing but living under Communism. A young person would want to do better instead of languish in a country where most people still are feeling the old world and grow vegetables and livestock in their back yard for fear of starvation. Unfortunately, they are being overrun by their local mafia or international mafia. Visiting there you will also notice how many random "pharmacy" or casinos are around.
Objectively? No. It's consensual. And if you're talking about prostitutes specifically, you're giving them more money then they could ever make normally.
From some religious perspective? Yes
From a modern political activist perspective also yes. Just like factories are "exploiting" 3rd world labor. What this logic forgets though, is that without all that, they'd just be dirt poor and starving. SEA had economies that relied on backbreaking rice farming. There's no surprise that everyone there prefers working in sweatshops or opening their legs. Being their customer base is morally neutral.
In terms of self respect; Yes. Normally getting laid happens cause you're good enough for women to want to fuck you. Sex tourism means you're lowering the difficulty setting/ your standards. If you travel there anyway, and sex with locals is just a side benefit, then there's nothing wrong with it.
>f you travel there anyway, and sex with locals is just a side benefit, then there's nothing wrong with it.
this is something that doesn't get mentioned too much. you go to SEA as a decent looking white guy and you are going to get p4p pussy offered to you CONSTANTLY. if you're 3 beers in and some qt3.14 thai girl offers to fuck you for $40, thats hard to turn down.
>In terms of self respect; Yes. Normally getting laid happens cause you're good enough for women to want to fuck you. Sex tourism means you're lowering the difficulty setting/ your standards.
Why is this immoral?
it isn't "immoral", just a lot less respectable then getting girls normally. Like, if you're travelling across the planet to scrape the barrel for sex, that's just sad. That's why wrong "in terms of self respect", not "immoral" .
Well, you gotta do what you gotta do.
What if I'm traveling across the planet to experience culture and explore a new place, but I just spend one day in a brothel since it happens to be there
I think it's aesthetically unpleasant but not morally wrong. It is still tourism so it does have the same effects of boomers going to see some old building or a famous swamp. The problem with the adult industry in general is that it tends to attract the worst elements of society in both sides of the transaction. Drugs, robberies, homicides follow places like that (specially the cheap ones). But its similar to the effects of club culture tbh.
I don't mind paying for sex nor do I think its wrong. I actually think it's less bad than ONS. I just would not go to the other side of the world to only (or as my prime reason) have sex, whether paying for it or not.
I also do think it's quite sad that some places are remembered only because of that but I guess it should be blamed on the locals since it's their country to fix.
>barrel for sex
I do agree but one could also use a luxury escort service where he would be dealing with models (some who are really models) and in the top 20, sometimes top 1% of the local population. Obviously that would be very expensive and there would not be any need to travel to do that unless you have a really exotic taste and you're from a very conservative and/or homogeneous society.
>I do agree but one could also use a luxury escort service where he would be dealing with models (some who are really models) and in the top 20, sometimes top 1% of the local population. Obviously that would be very expensive and there would not be any need to travel to do that unless you have a really exotic taste and you're from a very conservative and/or homogeneous society.
Anon I dont think you realize the extent of pussy hyperinflation in the US or the illegality of prostution. Even doing this in a country like Spain would be significantly cheaper than the US
Respectfully disagree, I think for like 90% of men the women they can get through p4p is probably better and less effort than jestermaxxing for a woman and setting up dates. Yeah I know some anon is gonna claim he is a white chad and he gets it foh freeee but womens smv is so elevated these days even chads have to simp a little bit
Wtf is jestermaxxing
>he doesn't jestermaxx
gay
The irony is that gays like him seem to be completely ignorant to the fact that despite all the PUA / TRP / manosphere material present, incelibacy and dating still keep getting worse - the whole 60% of young men never having a relationship statistic that came out a while ago for example.
Spending the maximum amount of time, money and mental energy being a dancing monkey while carrying a candle through a blizzard to keep it alight.
>travelling across the planet to scrape the barrel for sex, that's just sad.
American projection. The bottom of the barrel women all live in America, and that’s what you’ll get by staying there. You OTOH get way hotter chicks with no roasties by traveling.
Why do mutts always invert the truth?
The dating scene in America is bad and most "working" girls are even worse.
Not any more than offshoring all the manufacturing abroad so you can pay your workers just 5 bucks a day instead.
Depends on where you’re going to and how you handle it. You might be seriously financially helping out some poor whore in a 3rd world country. Don’t be a creep, keep it transactional/discreet and don’t fall in love with her - probably fine. Don’t get her pregnant either, though it’s likely she could be trying to baby trap clients. And also, don’t brag about it online or anything - just makes you look like a loser. Of course it also helps to be the kind of person who doesn’t need sex tourism to have sex; it’s a lot less weird and embarrassing when a normal dude pays for an escort or whatever versus some turbo virgin incel spending betabux.
It IS cringe to do sex tourism in developed countries. Weebs will be angry but that’s just because they’re insecure gays
>Of course it also helps to be the kind of person who doesn’t need sex tourism to have sex; it’s a lot less weird and embarrassing when a normal dude pays for an escort or whatever versus some turbo virgin incel spending betabux.
What is this argument? What does it matter? I'm only allowed to go eat at a restaurant if I can cook well? It's exactly virgins who need it most.
It's a cope.
>I'm paying to fuck the same hoes that incels fuck, but I'm still totally better than those incels. It's just totally different when I do it even though it's the same thing, okay.
Of course not.
Any prostitution is fine as long as it's not forced.
Not in my opinion, no. It's a business arrangement between two consenting adults.
It honestly seems to help the countries it happens in.
Part of maturing as a man is growing calloused and realizing that most "morality" is just bullshit to manipulate you into serving others for no reason and owning nothing and being happy. Once you start keeping an eye out for it, you'll notice how morality is almost always rooted in someone's self-interest. The male sex-drive is where it seems to hit the hardest. We've demonized male sexuality so much that I'm surprised we don't have open efforts to chemically castrate men. When someone tries to stop you from getting something on the basis of morals, ask yourself "If I have no authority to take it, what authority do they have to deny me it?"
Good post
It’s Christian slave morality, they want you to grovel and simp for the validation of females and make it the sole purpose of your existence. It’s disgusting
>I'm surprised we don't have open efforts to chemically castrate men
why do you think everyone is taking finasteride?
Yes
I'm not going to try and stop anyone here engaging in it because why fucking bother, but don't lie to yourself that you're not exploiting these women.
Women have been exploiting men since the garden of eden for resources.
>Exploiting
How? They are literally getting paid, it's not like I'm raping them
He means you’re not allowed to buy any services or products from anyone, ever. Women are FORCED into working, don’t you see? Therefore you aren’t allowed to engage in any business with them, since the money keeps them wanting to be in that profession making money. But if you don’t engage in bsuiness with them, maybe they’ll.. erm.. not work.
Also you are obligated to give all of your money to women when you see them because they’re opressed. So you are allowed to see hookers especially on Onlyfans and give them your wallets, but you are NOT ALLOWED to get any services or products from them. Also if you pay them you’re a creepy incel who should be arrested, but also if you fon’t pay then you’re contributing to womens’ opression and should be arrested for hate speech.
TLDR give them your fucking wallet, chud! It’s totally not robbery.
Having sex with anyone but your spouse is morally wrong, so yes.
Might be hard to live with that mindset in the 21st century, unless you're in some shithole like Afghanistan.
Correct.
Truth isn't a popularity contest.
The fact that you need to asks means that you should already have been registered as a sex offender.
You know what’s morally wrong?
Women who for whatever reason entrap men, and make virtual slaves out of them, where in the end the only things they end up sucking are the joy from someone they supposedly loves life.
Like all markets sex tourism only exists to figuratively ‘fill a hole’ which is essentially caused by modern womens in developed nations appalling behaviour and attitudes.
Believe it or not NO MAN wakes up one day and thinks, you know I want to fuck some bitch who looks and smells like a monkey, they do it because they simply don’t want to spend any more time with women who are utterly disgusting cunts of things who’s only skill is inducing vomiting in others.
Women who argue sex tourism is wrong are blind to this fact and 100% the problem, who shame themselves in their attempt to shame others, and deserve the sanity warping crippling loneliness they endure.
Someone wants to have fun, and pay a few bucks for it? What fucking business is that of anyone’s?
Only the most miserable of cunts has an opinion on it, and they should seriously consider suicide.
Morality is based on regions. Moral in Thailand is not moral in other places. Ethics is separate from morality, it crosses borders and cultures. There's nothing unethical about negotiated and consensual sex among adults. Marriage in the West is also a form of negotiated sex in exchange for tangible and intangible things. If you suspect that the woman you're paying to have sex with you is forced to do it, then you've crossed over the ethical line, imo. Funding that kind of slavery is participating in it. Absolutely everything else is fine.
Yes, it is morally wrong. It is worth the time, effort, and energy having governments stop it? Honestly no.