Lets rehabilitate France

According to rightcels, modern France is a borderline second world country. This wasn’t my experience at all during any of my travel.

The France I actually saw is:
- extremely beautiful in both cities, countryside and language. Easily one of the most beautiful countries in the world, rivaled only by Italy (and Flanders, surprisingly)
- diverse in terms of architecture. Northern France looks nothing like Southern France, which is distinct from Central France
- Pleasantly traditional and patriotic in some areas, such as food/wine production, language and culture
- Very high quality of both produce and supermarkets and restaurants. Albeit they’re expensive, they’re worth their price

I should note, however, that I *did* have the negative experiences 4chancels often attribute to all of France. Namely, in Marseilles (while city is an Algerian-style dump) and some parts of Paris (with the high-rise blocks). All other experiences - in Rouen, Avignon, Strasbourg, Colmar, southern Paris, Lyon, Cannes, Nizza were overwhelmingly positive.

So don’t let yourself get discouraged by 4chancels and travel to France.

  1. 2 months ago
    sayj

    >/pol/
    >/pol/
    >/pol/
    kys

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Polcels are wrong about everything. Did you really have to go outside to figure that out?

      Nazis lost the war, garden gnomes rule the world. Get fucked, polcel

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Polcels are wrong about everything
        OP literally said 4chan was right about several cities. Fucking retard

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh no, this city has blacks are arabs! The west has collapsed
          Go outside for once, polcel

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Baby's first honeymoon phase of travel

    Thats cute. I first went to France 20 years ago as a kid and the last time I was there was 2018. Night and day difference. Back during my first trip to France, for starters, there were no militarized police patrolling all the famous monuments. Now theyre everywhere, and for good reason. Oh yeah, and the Notre Dame burned down.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the Notre Dame burned down.
      no it didnt

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You went to tourist traps. They make you feel a certain way. But all major euro cities have suburbs. Not just for plots but for middle and upper income too. They hide away their poor. Except in Eastern Europe. Which is why hardly anyone visits. Also because they are all poor. Just do this. Go to Google maps. Look at historical street view of Paris. Each year. From 2008. To present. Notice anything? The solution is to learn French, German, etc. learn a skill. Maybe cooking. Move to euro. Talk to people. Quit being bitter. Talk to women. Get laid. Have children. Europe saved.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not safe to go to western Europe and their governments are hostile to white people, going to France or Germany or the Netherlands or the UK is the dumbest thing imaginable unless you are colored

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The pic OP posted should be Metz, one of the most beautiful French cities and one of the most underrated and under the radar ones

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What’s the point of France replica Eiffel Tower in Vegas and The stratosphere is even higher than the real thing better French restaurants too in Vegas le cirque Joel robuchon there’s really no reason to leave America

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Marseille has always been that way since the times of Rome. I don't excuse what has happened to Paris nor the shithole that Nice has become, but Marseille is actually pretty cool.

    Other than that yeah I had the same experience with France. And I went off the beaten path and Couchsurfed in the burbs. Generally it was everything I had hoped it would be, but fwiw this was back in 2017. Dunno how the coof has affected it, but knowing what I know about the French I reckon they really aren't going to let it affect their lives.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >actually witnesses dangerous urban decay and acknowledges it is a bad thing
    >complains about '/pol/cels' in the next sentence

    you can't be saved

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bezmenov was right, I'd feel sorry for these people but they attack anyone decent who points out the truth, they would happily murder you to protect their precious brown pets and delusions. They are globohomo sheeple I'm happy to see them removed from the genepool

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cities are the way cities have been for literally all of human history
      >DANGEROUS URBAN DECAY IS DESTROYING ALL OF SOCIETY RIGHT NOW THE FUCKING DARKIES ARE KILLING US
      It's the same alarmist shit for literally all of human history, all the while only improvement has happened. This is why you get told you're a fucking idiot and that you're wrong. You idiots would see a bush burning in a suburb and say it was a forest fire. You're those white women that call 911 and tell the operator some dude walking in the street has a gun and is photographing children just because his presence scares you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I grew up in a large city you and have fond memories of it, you idiot. Shit has changed now. Did you ever stop to think that cities 20 or even 10 years ago might not be the same thing as cities today?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >history happens

          But also, have you ever stopped to consider you are horribly bitter, to the point of it biasing your opinion?
          Do you remember old guys being the same way when you were a kid? I do.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always look up the worst reviews of anything before I go (this goes for countries, cities, and attractions including things like restaurants and museums, etc). Negative reviews are almost always made by bitter, angry, and quite stupid people and in the off chance that they are made by honest, good people it is usually just a rare occurrence that led to them having a bad experience.

    So I feast on loads and loads of extremely negative opinions and then when I experience myself, it's never as bad as I read, and I am very happy. You should all try this, it will make your life much better.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bong living in France here. AMA

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How well do you speak French
      >Did you have a firm knowledge of French before moving
      >How difficult is it to find work as a foreign national
      >How difficult and rigorous is the visa renewal process
      >Does anything in your every day life sometimes make you regret moving to France
      >Are people ever inappropriately rude to you and you get the feeling it's specifically because you are not French

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >How well do you speak French
        Fluently now, the genders still sometimes catch me out with the determiners la le l' etc
        >Did you have a firm knowledge of French before moving
        Fairly firm, enough to get through day to day but conversations and regional accents were sometimes a challenge.
        >How difficult is it to find work as a foreign national
        I'm a teacher so it was a difficult process initially. Youd need to know the language to do anything.
        >How difficult and rigorous is the visa renewal process
        Pre Brexit it was fine, I am married to a French National so I was largely unaffected
        >Does anything in your every day life sometimes make you regret moving to France
        The cost of living is very high, food, bills,motorway etc but thats the same at home
        >Are people ever inappropriately rude to you and you get the feeling it's specifically because you are not French
        This is largely a myth due to rude Parisian waiters. Down south where I am everyobe is chilled. If they see you make an effort with the language and culture they're usually fine.

        >Is there much work for someone who is learning French but not quite professionally proficient

        As above, you'd need conversational French to get anything other than a ditch digger.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm a teacher so it was a difficult process initially. Youd need to know the language to do anything.
          Do you teach in French?
          >As above, you'd need conversational French to get anything other than a ditch digger.
          Surely you could do any kind of low skill entry level labour? When I was at uni I worked in a cafe with a french girl who was barely conversational in English, and a Syrian guy too.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I teach English but in French. It's considered a proper teaching role rather than TEFL.

            Ditch digger was just a metaphor. I guess you might work in a bar or cafe etc Kitchen maybe. You'd need to know basics of instructions etc

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              how is life in france compared to uk

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >how is life in france compared to uk

                More family focused than the UK. Companies tend to give people longer holidays, the cliches about having to have 2 weeks off together (rather than a day here or there) and not being able to have lunch at your desk are true.

                The infrastructure isn't as good in terms of public transport. In the summer everything slows down as people take holidays en mass and you need to drive to get anywhere. Rail transport is expensive but so are the motorways to use if you need to.

                Overall,I'm glad I made the move. I have a better work life balance, the weather is far superior, food is better and it's overall a healthier lifestyle for a focus on the outdoors and activity rather than gaming and sloth.

                I wish there were more pubs about though as paying €8 a pint is grim.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I wish there were more pubs about though as paying €8 a pint is grim.
                Where do you live in France ?? It's really rare for me, in Paris to pay 8€ for a beer.
                It depends at which hour/day I'm at the bar but it rarely go above 6€. I can even get some point for 2/3€ but it taste a bit like crap tbh.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ??
                Pints of hip IPA are usually between 7 to 10€, seen that in toulouse, grenoble, lyon, tours, etc. Since paris is awfully expensive i refuse to believe you RARELY pay more than 8€ for a pint.
                Or, as you said, itd be some low quality kro/1664. OR there are secret cheap pubs.
                Enlight me pls

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Happy hours mate. I never pay more than 5-6 euros for a pint of acceptable/good beer during happy hour, in Paris. Albeit in residential areas, not touristy ones.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh thats true, I forgor about those.
                Santé

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao you 10 yuros for 1 beer, haha western yuro cucks really are cucked beyond belief and no amount of seething and dilating will provide enough cope

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There are enough poor countries where people speak French to some degree to draw unskilled labour from to bother with workers who don't speak French at all.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You could say the same about English and yet the amount of barely literate people in English based countries doing unskilled labour is sky high.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's because the French discriminate by language, partially because they cannot really discriminate by skin colour.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is there much work for someone who is learning French but not quite professionally proficient

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just fell in love with a French girl in Thailand, what do

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I just fell in love with some free spirit roastie in a country where tourism is fueled by sex, binge drinking, and drugs.
      Quit being a retard and bail.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What if it's meant to be

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it wasn't

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      impregnate heraghva

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paris has public open urinal streets in the city. Truly disgusting. It's 2022.
    It's also a crime riddled shit and piss smelling hell hole.
    The rest of France would be ok if there were no migrants, no french men and better food.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've never been anywhere in France have you?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes because I just said there is open toilets in the middle of Paris. It smells of piss and shit. French men stink and are incredibly rude and disgusting. The rest of the country has a severe problem with. North Africans. French food also fucking sucks.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok so you have not been to Paris.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes because I just said there is open toilets in the middle of Paris.
          Many European countries have these, cstering mostly for tourists who have too much to drink and piss in the street
          >Ut smells of piss and shit.
          Absolute baby comment. Not even addressing.
          >French men stink and are incredibly rude and disgusting.
          A wild generalisation based, presumably, on a bad experience you had in a tourist trap restaurant in Paris. I imagine you asked for tatare of beef and complained it was raw.
          >The rest of the country has a severe problem with. North Africans.
          If by problem you mean areas of deprived people where some people turn to crime you're not far wrong. Most big cities in the Western world have this. France's history of colonisation allowed people from those nations to come to France mostly freely and they tend to end up in those areas. It's not a countrywide thing, it's the larger cities. There is not one make city in the western world which does not have similar issues.
          >French food also fucking sucks.
          So much to unpack here. That restaurant in Paris really messed you up didn't it? Best ask for the "Menu l'enfant" next time as that is generally a burger or chicken nuggies with chips.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is not one make city in the western world which does not have similar issues.
            Cope
            >So much to unpack here
            You talk like a brainwashed feminist

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not sure why I'm coping. I'm not French. You're just regurgitating things you've read on pol and projecting a one off experience to an entire nation. It's embarrassing really.

              I doubt you've ever travelled more than 5 miles from your mum's house.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm the original guy you replied to not him but I went to France in 2004 and 2005 during the french riots. Muslims blowing up cars and going crazy. Great country. Women with dogs everywhere pissing and shitting allovr the place and Africans galore. Expensive BAD food, local men who are not only rude but fucking stink, graffiti and garbage everywhere , underground that is third world tier and smells like piss
                The only people more brain washed that fat Americans must surely be frogs because their culture is shit, their food is shit, their country is third world, yet they all have the same whiff of superiority

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                hahahahahahah nice one anon
                Never change, sighsee

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Everything I wrote was my true experience in France.
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots
                Bit of a weird thing to make up. That was nearly twenty years ago.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >there are riots
                >travel there anyway
                >Women with dogs everywhere pissing and shitting
                >local men who are not only rude but fucking stink
                >The only people more brain washed that fat Americans must surely be frogs
                >their country is third world
                bro i understand youve gone to the shittiest places on your own volition but youre listing too many sighsee anti-french cliches.
                Every single point you typed reeks of exaggeration, as the other anon said : please stop posting, youre embarassing everyone.
                Your whole post is discarded by the first sentence
                >I went to France in 2004 and 2005 during the french riots
                let me laugh even harder, what did you expect ? A riot is an urban war, and you explicitely chose to only look at people breaking stuff and graffiti'ing the walls, oh wow honey guess what ? It happened in every country during a riot, too bad you chose to hate france "because why not, after all"
                See pic rel ? Its a riot in Spain. Were you there ? Surely not. So I guess it didnt happen and Madrid is the most beautiful city in da warld, according to you

                Touch grass, go out, get laid, do something man.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are just like all the frog men. Desperate to deflect any criticism of what France is.
                >The city of love

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >gets his rant obliterated
                >still replies
                Holy fuck youre paid by someone to spread awfully wrong info arent you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I lived in Paris during that time period and it never happened inside Paris. Always in these shitty banlieues (suburbs). Why would a tourist go to a banlieue?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They were attacking tourist buses going to and from CDG. I stayed in Voltaire, nothing but sirens blaring all night every night.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tourist buses going to CDG don’t go through these zones. Tourist buses directly take the ring road and then A1 (which is the basically the highway) without ever stopping.

                Paris (and especially its suburbs) has a lot of issues, don’t get me wrong, and the mayor of Paris is a bitch whore, but come on mate.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The US embassy in Paris said on its website that "travelers ..

                Read more at:
                https://m.timesofindia.com/world/rest-of-world/paris-riots-1408-cars-tourism-face-the-brunt/articleshow/1287026.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >US embassy in Paris said on its website that...
                Dropped immediately, US travel warnings are alarmist FUD, no matter what destination.
                Come back with a proper source.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've posted proof itt of everything I said. That link confirms tourists were warned because of attacks to and from CDG. Absolute proof ITT. Suck it, ugly stinky french gay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because it’s NEAR these zones, as a cautionary advice, but the bus doesn’t go through these as it takes the highway straight to the airport. Like I said, these suburbs are a shame for the country, abd there is absolutely no reason to stop and stay there. I would know, I go to CDG twice a week since the late 90s.
                The biggest danger in CDG would be the scamming gypsies at the RER station and that’s it. Which is already pretty bad because fuck gypsies.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >went to France during riots

                Good job dickhead. That's exactly what happens all day every day in France in the last 17 years. What a dolt.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >second world country
    What does the Soviet Union and Warsaw bloc have to do with anything?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lets rehab france
    Admit that 4chan is right in calling Paris a shithole, admit that Marseilles is a nightmare and tell people to avoid Lyon. Push for visits to the small towns and that's it, that's how you rehabilitate France's image.
    >some parts of paris were bad
    Even some of the most iconic parts of paris have turned to shit, local governance has let so much fall into disrepair while removing trees and piling up garbage and concrete blocks everywhere. The only good part of Paris is the Montmarte/Sacre-Cour neighborhood.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >avoid Lyon
      Why ?
      It was literally ranked way above paris and such in numerous travel guides. Better everything

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >huge port city on the mediterranean has people from all over mediterranean
    >retards are surprised by this

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Let’s rehabilitate France
    Please don't. We have already enough tourists as it is, we don't need more, especially people who are retarded enough to browse sighsee in 2022.

    Italy is more beautiful than France, has more history and is cheaper. Spain and Portugal are also beautiful and cheaper. France is one of the most expensive countries in Europe after Scandinavian countries.
    French wine is overrated and overpriced compared to Italian and Hungarian wines.
    Vienna is magnificent, has imperial grandeur and is more comfy than Paris, who isn't romantic contrary to tourist expectations, but is a fast-paced hustle and grind city.
    French women are notoriously picky and most people here are terrible at English, you won't get laid in France.

    Brenton Tarrant went to France, lost his shit after he saw Ahmed and Mamadou, went back to his island and shoot up a mosque, now he is spending the rest of his life in prison. I assume most of you are fragile cumskins, so, are you sure you won't lose your shit too if you come here? Please consider this seriously. I think you anons are more suited for muh based traditional Eastern Europe, SEA and kawaii nippon.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >France is one of the most expensive countries in Europe after Scandinavian countries

      Maybe if you go to French Riviera (overpriced) or rich areas of Paris but restaurants are way cheaper than many places in Europe.

      >French wine is overrated and overpriced compared to Italian and Hungarian wines.

      Bordeaux IS overrated but not the other wines.

      Everything else is more or less true. However to keep your Parisian experience pleasant, AVOID at all costd suburbs (except versailles), and stay central as much as you can (or Montmartre).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Brenton Tarrant went to France, lost his shit after he saw Ahmed and Mamadou
      source ?
      afaik he traveled to east europe and asia, france isnt mentioned

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tarrant went to Israel. He shot up a mosque. He never named the garden gnome. Figure it out

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paris water way

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Beautiful city streets

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The city of love

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite cope is bbbbbbut all western cities are overpriced crime filled shitholes of globohomo diversity that makes Paris OK errr ackshully good I mean great

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dog shit everywhere in Paris. Seems legit.
    https://www.npr.org/2013/01/26/170321680/not-just-a-fashion-hot-spot-paris-is-also-the-capital-of-dog-mess

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Italian-cities-look-significantly-dirty-streets-and-decaying-buildings-than-other-European-countries-like-Germany-France-the-UK-Scandinavia
      I mean, every source can be found about something being shitty in a city

      https://i.imgur.com/bIf4Ea5.jpg

      The city of love

      https://i.imgur.com/SwvHXC9.jpg

      Beautiful city streets

      https://i.imgur.com/UVIciEj.jpg

      Paris water way

      https://i.imgur.com/lvANilq.jpg

      You are just like all the frog men. Desperate to deflect any criticism of what France is.
      >The city of love

      >google "paris dirty"
      >save images and post
      I mean, I dont really have the motivation to do the same for every single capital but it looks like you know how to use google images, props champ!

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paris smells like shit and piss. Proof.
    >Paris's crackdown on incivilities such as peeing in the street, littering or failing to clean up dog mess is reaping rewards, at least financially.

    >Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo revealed this week that the number of fines for handed out to “uncivil” locals has shot up by 118 percent – more than double the amount handed out in 2016.
    https://www.thelocal.fr/20171003/paris-crackdown-on-incivilities-see-number-of-fines-soar-by-118-percent/

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Really fun to watch the sperging in here, please continue.
    I get the paid vaccine shills and the obsessed 4chantards, but this guy spends hours and hours shitting on Paris and France on the sex tourism board of a Taiwanese turtleneck knitting board for seemingly no reason or compensation.

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