>be loser back home
>no job, khhv, no friends, mentally ill
>decide to move abroad and start a new life
>overhaul self image and fix mental health, start a business, make friends and get girls
Anyone here done this? I'm planning to do this soon and have too much time on my hands so I thought I'd post here too
Moving abroad to start a new life and ascend
>be loser back home
>overhaul self image and fix mental health, start a business, make friends and get girls
>I'm planning to do this soon and have too much time on my hands so I thought I'd post here too
You'll have a new outlook and within the first 3 months go back to your old routine. If you can't invest into yourself and fix your self image at home moving abroad will simply make it that much harder.
>b-b-but things will be different 'muh home country sucks'
Yeah and as a foreigner things will be different till you realize you can't run from yourself. People abroad, assuming from a place like US/EU or the like, will treat you nice because they want something from you. This may be money as they see you being a tourist, possibility as a ticket out of their country, or pure novelty. Once one of these things becomes a dead end for them you'll be yesterdays news and another nobody.
Maybe try getting a job at home, building out a social schedule like you would abroad, and see if that's actually maintainable. Grass is rarely ever greener, once the honeymoon is over and you realize you have to do the same shit you would back home.
>Grass is rarely ever greener, once the honeymoon is over and you realize you have to do the same shit you would back home.
not him but, I really dislike american pop culture. if I can be further from it I will be happy, and even europe is noticeably less consumerist
>not him but, I really dislike american pop culture. if I can be further from it I will be happy,
People who fucking say this are actual fucking sheeple from a mega city that's promoting this shit that don't realize self control can knock this shit out. America is so huge that moving to another state can almost completely eliminate the large mindset of this. The amount of 'fly over' places that really ramp back down the pop culture or coomsoom shit is too many to count.
>and even europe is noticeably less consumerist
No, it's just different from how most americans do it but it is 100% there. If you don't think the consumerist mindset exists in europe you're actually socially retarded.
Again I said this here
. What’s the difference if he went to a different state it’s fundamentally the same thing if he’s gonna be far away. He says he has a distaste of American culture, let him experience something different and if the grass is really greener let him figure it out on his own. It’s a travel board but lately it’s just been a bunch of gays stirring the pot or just telling people travelling is not worth it because they are not a turbo normie back in their home country and everyone will be able to tell because reasons
>People who fucking say this are actual fucking sheeple from a mega city
I live nowhere near a megacity. the flyover states are more consumerist you fucking tard. they eat trash fast food and their biggest thing is getting a fucking new ford with 20% apr from the sleazy car dealer.
>If you don't think the consumerist mindset exists in europe you're actually socially retarded.
It exists but it is better than usa. there are little things like having high quality butchers in the middle of a city to being able to dine in peace without the moron waiter bothering me for tips and pushing me out the door. When I was in Europe there was more of a human focus than I have ever experienced in usa
>they eat trash fast food and their biggest thing is getting a fucking new ford with 20% apr from the sleazy car dealer.
You do know you don't have to do this or hang around those kinds of people right? Finding good people is as simple as turning off your monitor and going to things around your hobby.
Ah I see... you've never been to Europe or just larping to be a dumb american.
i spent 4 months in Rome gay.
>You do know you don't have to do this or hang around those kinds of people right?
LOL you are the retard. everybody does this shit unless you live in hippietown usa. then they do heroin
I absolutely agree with . If you can't be happy in your own hometown, or even in your own mind, then being abroad will do nothing for you. Sure, you'll have a change of scenery but that's about it, man.
Believe me, I used to think the same way before someone asked if I was towards something or running away from something.
I think you truly know the answer, Anon.
Got to say I totally disagree, OP is clearly at the bottom of the barrel, I can understand your point about not running from yourself but sometimes people need a reboot, agreed it doesn't necessarily need to be something as dramatic as flying half way around the world but if that's what OP thinks may work for him then good luck, I was a loser incel, depressed (although I had kissed a few girls) and I changed it up and went to university as far away from my home as possible, it was the best decision I ever made, it was the reboot I needed, my personality changed, I got laid within the first month and the rest is history
Go for it anon, even if you don't succeed you may just find that leaving your current situation is all you needed bon chance
Yeah this honestly, like yeah sure moving won’t fundamentally make your life circumstances better but waving off everything as grass is greener is retarded, like if someone sees the writing on the wall or they just have nothing in their home place of value are they running away? Americans move state to state all the time yet no one spams the same platitudes about them even though they are most likely normie with established friends and family yet they move anyway because muh nature or identity politics. So many people I know take a year off to go Thailand or backpack in Europe, normies mind you, but someone who clearly is sick of their daily routine and wants to change it up is just an loser back home incel who wants to run away? This board has gotten so annoying lately with these types, they’ve gotten worse than the crypto larpers
>Got to say I totally disagree, OP is clearly at the bottom of the barrel,
This is the kind of logic that drives people to do something stupid rather than self examine what got them into this situation and fixing that.
OP will have a much easier time remaining in his home country starting a new life(unless he's in Venezuela or some shit) than going abroad, fighting for a work permit/visa, attempting to adapt to the culture, and do things he is clearly incapable at home with possible language barriers.
>It’s a travel board but lately it’s just been a bunch of gays stirring the pot or just telling people travelling is not worth it because they are not a turbo normie back in their home country
That anon said he was not OP, so not sure what you mean.
No OP is looking to move abroad for a new life, this is because the amount of doomer gays flooding the board assume their day dreams can equate to reality and the sole reason they are in a tough spot is everyone else. Getting a vacation and traveling for a break on the mundane is not the same as the 100's of gays wanting to move to Japan because they saw a moron at home. Telling people to YOLO it is dangerous and can have serious repercussions as to getting your life straight, if you can't handle someone pointing out anything but "yeah OP! DO IT!" you aren't ready for the real world. You'll get taken advantage of faster than anything for his money, end up broke, return home in a more depressed state most likely.
The responsible way to move abroad would be making sure you can secure a work visa, have skillsets needed abroad, and a game plan for possible cities to live in. If you can't get a basic plan with realistic goals to sustain yourself, don't bother traveling as it will fuck you mentally and financially.
I agree with these posters but I think grass is always greener js not always the case. I think if someone can go abroad to minimize expenses and have a change of life then I don’t see why not. Yes obviously sort your own issues out at home and get your shit together but this doesn’t mean that every single person who is fed up with the bullshit in their own city or country is running away from something. Migration is a tale as old as time and if you can be happier somewhere else than so be it. I feel like this board has turned anti travel lately with all the posts denouncing people going abroad for sex or wanting to travel as young dude.
>Migration is a tale as old as time and if you can be happier somewhere else than so be it.
And generally these explorers and migrants often had a goal when they moved being that they have exhausted all options of sustainability in their social, economic, or religious options. OP is literally a self proclaimed NEET who is 99% self diagnosed or from some BS pill pusher doctor.
If OP can't maintain a job or social structure in his home country he has virtually no chance what so ever of finding it abroad. Sure new outlook on life can help, however you're more likely to destroy your possibilities by trying to fix your unhappy life abroad rather than fixing it at home(or home country). It's the exact same as JET's who will be badasses in Japan only to realize after 3-6 months of being there that no one gives a flying fuck and they are still stuck with their old habits.
I will concede that it is possible that OP moves abroad and gets his life together, but given what is posted in the OP this is a "yeah I'll just make it work!" with no skills to sell at a time countries are kind of in a economic limbo.
Okay fair enough I didn’t read that he is a neet. In that case like I said in my other post he should prob get his shit together first and his problems will probably amplify abroad, but it’s just gotten annoying lately the amount of people here who are quick to dismiss travel as a form of becoming more intune with yourself and discovering new things.
OP here, thanks for contributing to my thread guys. I get where both of you are coming from but I'm inclined to agree with the guys saying that moving is a good idea
I agree that I need to take responsibility for my own shit, but it's entirely possible to do that AND move - in these kinds of discussions it's always explained as being one or the other and never both, I never understand why
I could theoretically live a good life at home but I don't really want to - where I live is an extortionately overpriced 'world city' where COL is so astronomically high that even people who earn decent wages are always worrying about money. Plus gentrification has wrecked the city's soul to the point that it just feels like living in an airport terminal - it's just not somewhere I want to be even if I COULD afford to live here independently
>wherever you go, there you are
I agree but habits are also based heavily on environment and locational context. Eg. at home I'm unemployed and living with parents, I subconsciously repeat bad habits. When I move I have to fend for myself, take responsibility for all my shit, and I'm no longer in the same environment that was reminding me of my bad habits
>COULD afford to live here independently
>at home I'm unemployed and living with parents
"I'm a loser at home, but I could change anytime I want... just not today!"
If this isn't some troll thread, my advice is that you build out a roadmap to success otherwise you will fail. Moving abroad for work was tough precovid for most people, it's much harder now after covid unless you have some gameplan and company willing to take you in. What degree do you have(inb4 none), what skills do you possess over the average citizen, what languages do you speak, etc etc.
The reason these threads go the way they do is because most people who want to move abroad to successfully start a new life build out a game plan to achieve it. By the time they see all the hurdles, gotcha's, and requirements they need the answer of "should I do it" is answered.
>i spent 4 months in Rome gay.
Cool working what as income on the local cost of living? Did you put income to cost of living into perspective?
>everybody does this shit unless you live in hippietown usa. then they do heroin
Oh okay so you just have no idea what you're talking about and got your information from the internet.
>I'm going to insist that OP is a deluded loser who will fail when he moves abroad even though OP explained his reasoning
actually on second thought you sound like a reddit gay tbh, no offence but it's true
I already got my route planned out it's all good
Sounds good anon
>actually on second thought you sound like a reddit gay
>NOOOO! PEOPLE LIKE MOM AND DAD AREN'T TELLING ME I AM CORRECT AND SUPER AWESOME!!!!11
What I am saying, and have been saying is that if OP(much like other anons posting moving to japan or some shit) do is figure out WHY they are in the situation they are in. No fucking shit OP is living with his parents, not employed, has mental health issues(?), and has seemingly no social life would make his current situation seem bleak. Guess what though, he will still be dealing with 3 of the 4 major things having issues with the second he steps off the plane. This can be compounded exponentially by going to another country where there is a culture shock, possible language barrier, unfamiliarity with the customs, and so on.
>I already got my route planned out it's all good
Could you at least share that to some extent then, because your OP is literally nothing to go on. If you can't elaborate on anything you're going to get the responses had.
You'd most likely get useful and more helpful feedback if you could maybe elaborate on the country you are from/going too, what profession/employment you are seeking, degree or job exp had, and what motivates you into this choice. Right now you sound like a weeb who 'just needs a chance in japan' which are a dime a dozen nobodies. So do you want to elaborate on your goals and plans?
I'm am OP, and essentially what I'm saying is yes, my plan is to move AND figure out why I'm so miserable at home. It's weird because I feel we're largely in agreement with each other but for whatever reason we're arguing with each other on sighsee
>So do you want to elaborate on your goals and plans?
Anon I highly recommend you travel first to the place you want to move to and get an AirBNB for like a month and see how you like it and can adjust. Then if you see yourself living there work on your life, get some skills, save money, get hobbies, and fix your shit. Not saying to not pursue this but you have to be realistic.
Not all things should be eased into
>If you can't invest into yourself and fix your self image at home moving abroad will simply make it that much harder.
this. very much this. you need to lay down the new habits before going over. you must have a counterbalance to novelty to have longevity.
I'm planning on something like this. I don't expect to move permanently but rather I'm moving for 6 to 12 months and I plan to use that time as a sort of reset.
I agree with others that in your current state it’s deeply unrealistic to think that relocating is going to solve your psychological and social problems. Regarding mental health, while a lot of depressive types get a lift from the excitement, distractions, and novelty of travel, at least temporarily, you’re going to bring whatever is wrong with you with you, and you’re going to need to have some kinds of tools and resources for getting better already under your belt—therapy? Medication? Something—before you leave or you will be disappointed. There are also a lot of new stressors involved when suddenly in a foreign environment, perhaps including language barriers and legal/visa/immigration bureaucracy, and it is almost certainly going to be harder to get mental health care in a foreign country than it is at home. I’m a legal immigrant with all my paperwork and medical insurance in good order, but because I’m only an intermediate speaker of the local language it took me months to find a therapist who could work in English.
Also, do you already know what you’re going to need to start a business where you’re going? Do you already have the right to live there, for that matter, or do you know how to get it? This stuff isn’t automatic and can be hard to navigate, all the harder if you’re not in a good place mentally.
Not saying you shouldn’t give it a shot, or that it won’t work, but this post makes it seem like you’re expecting a lot and maybe don’t know what you’re doing. So I encourage you to be better prepared than you sound before you make the leap.
Thanks anon, hope immigration is going well for you
>There are also a lot of new stressors involved when suddenly in a foreign environment, perhaps including language barriers and legal/visa/immigration bureaucracy, and it is almost certainly going to be harder to get mental health care in a foreign country than it is at home
Very very good point, I was already expecting to spend the first week curled up in a ball in my apartment due to crippling anxiety, although I try not to think about it because that might not happen
re. visas/legality of staying/employment/etc I have a rough idea of what I want to do, I need a few months to figure it out but essentially my plan is to move to a place that's cool with visa runs and has low COL, do online work part time but get by ok because my money goes further in my new location, and spend the rest of my time working on getting my own business up and running as well as touching grass
After I start making money independent of outside employers I can think about working holiday visas, startup/business manager visas etc
>when I get there I will figure it out!
Setting yourself up for failure, plain and simple.
I'm figuring it out at home then moving retard
That's great anon, but you posted a lot of day dream stuff. It's cool you have the most basic of basic outlines done but that's it, this is what someone would think in approximately 5 minutes of day dreaming.
Going back to what others have said however is that if you aren't capable doing this while living with your parents then you have less than 0% chance of actively maintaining this abroad.
Quite literally putting the cart before the horse while making way too many assumptions.
what will your business be anon? all online? As a mentally ill autist myself, I find that going to work helps me structure my day and meet people. Even if you are a little eccentric, sometimes coworkers appreciate you for always knowing whats going on and able to lend a hand. Helping the team through a shared purpose can also lead to some positive feelings. This is just advice from my personal experience, but I think working remote can possibly be more isolating. regardless good luck
Very good point anon, that's one of the reasons why I like uni so much, because there's structured time and tasks to get down, but it's low stakes and there are loads of cute girls on campus. It's basically like being a NEET except without the deep rooted shame and despair
My business is gonna be creative stuff/online content, I wanna become an internet personality and make loads of money
Good advice, I'll definitely keep what you said in mind about cheaper manufacturing abroad, not gonna move to Bangladesh though lol
Thanks for the detailed response anon, glad to hear your immigration is going well, I'll be sure to take all you wrote into account
>Culture changes, weather changes, quality of life change, social interactions change... all of this has a profound effect on somebody
Yeah this is why I wanna GTFO of my city, I can literally feel the shitty future waiting here for me in my stomach when I think about it too long
Also I'm from the UK and completely agree about what you said, it's just fucking grey bruv
My immigration is great, thanks. And it sounds like you’re at least starting to make a plan, which is good. My biggest piece of additional advice as you keep thinking things through is this, and I think it is extremely important:
You probably have (or will soon have) some estimate in your head of how much money you will be bringing with you when you arrive. However much money that is, double it, at least, before you get on the plane. Even in low-COL countries, initial outlays are going to be more than you think they will be, and you’re certain to run into expenses you weren’t anticipating at all. Housing, for example, even in poor countries, is almost always more expensive for foreigners who don’t have local connections. It will be especially expensive if you are arriving without legal, long-term residency (for example, just showing up in a country that lets your nationality in visa-free for 90 days, or six months, or even a year). Without some kind of residency document, you’re not likely to be able to sign a normal lease, so at least at first you will probably be stuck with short-term accommodations aimed at foreigners. These are going to be more expensive than whatever locals pay in rent, so even if you research average rents in your arrival city you won’t get an accurate picture of what it will really cost YOU.
Getting legally established is gong to cost more than you think it will, as well, almost without question. If you eventually change your visa status, you may be required to return to your home country to finalize the process at an embassy. You’ll get your new visa only when you come back, so you’ll want to budget for at least one trip home. MAYBE you will be able to get the paperwork done in-country, or maybe you’ll just have to hop a border to a neighboring country, but don’t count on it. Budget for the most expensive of these possibilities to avoid shock.
It’s also unwise to compare whatever money you expect to be earning (online, with your future business, etc.) with average local incomes, or worse yet, with GDP per capita, which is practically meaningless. Maybe the average local is only earning $XXXX per year. He’s also living with his extended family in a home owned by his grandparents and spending less on food than you will ever know how to, so even if you are bringing in $XXXX x 2 per year you aren’t going to be as rich as you think you are. And if you’re spending 90% of what you earn every month it can be kind of scary—living hand-to-mouth even someplace cheap is difficult.
You should also absolutely always have some kind of a cushion of emergency money. It is absolutely possible that things will be amazing, and it’s also possible that things will go to shit and you’ll have to fuck off back to mom and dad’s, maybe in a hurry. I sure hope not, but the sensible choice is to be able to afford such a possible outcome.
Best advice I can give you is to move somewhere where manufacturing is cheaper and set up a supply chain between that country and home. Like moving to Bangladesh to find clothing to export back home.
The only advantage of moving from one place to another is living among a manufacturing hub. Instead of messaging back and forth online you will have a phone that can dial local numbers and you will be able to go to the wholesaler in person. Like alibaba but you just walk around.
Just be certain about your citizenship requirements when you move. You might get conscripted lol. Indians and Arabs don't know this but Australia does have provisions for conscription. Don't believe me? Look how 97.5% of the population "volunteered" for the vaccine.
Anyways best of luck also remember this shit can be done back home and I don't recommend permanently moving just shifting between one and the other.
It's possible. Sometimes another location just gives you a different vibe. The location, environment, and people affect you differently. Could be good or bad though.
Sometimes moving abroad will help but keep in mind you are still the same person. That said leaving my home country has helped me immensely. Having lived in five countries now, I can safely say that things CHANGE a lot from country to country. Culture changes, weather changes, quality of life change, social interactions change... all of this has a profound effect on somebody. Consider all options and also potential negative outcomes too.
Grass is sometimes greener on the other side.
Travelling and changing where I live has only benefited me, 100%. I can't recognise that whiny, negative idiot I was when I was still stuck home five years ago.
I left my homeland and went from Ireland to UK, then Italy and then Spain, then back to Ireland. Lived a bit in Germany and Austria, didn't like it, instead ended up in France which I like a lot. Depending on the person, each country has benefits and downsides
If you care about food, culture, etc., France, Italy and Spain are easily some of the best places to live in this world. Economies are not as good and there is a lot of nepotism. But Ireland and UK are so dystopian, food is mediocre at the very best, people are not as attractive, culturally it's hit or miss, etc. Plus the weather and outdoors. For me France is great because I got the Alps, Central Massif and the Mediterranean sea all just 2 hrs drive in either direction.
Food is excellent and Italy is very near, plus I can also make trips to Northern Spain.
Women are very beautiful and for me that is important.
Culturally people are a good mix between reserve and openness. I'm not in Paris or Germany where people are colder and more uptight, but neither am I in some 3rd world country where people are friendly, but sometimes overbearing.
Whatever you do though, already start working on yourself TODAY. Not tomorrow, or when the conditions are perfect. If you wait for perfect conditions life will run its course before your eyes, and, before you know it, you will blink and will have grown old with nothing but regrets.
So you live in Southern France? Isn't it full of North Africans and other assorted riffraff?
I only moved away for safety and more opportunities for what I wanted to do. Moving ownt fix who you are inside, but it can add perspective which I think is valuable.
I’m SURE what I’m about to say has already been said here (not going to read the entire thread) but I was once in the same position as you.
I had a horrible outlook on life. Things weren’t going my way. I was a KHV. I had little to no social life. Things were, to be frank, difficult for me.
A lot of it though, I attributed to the place that I live. I suspect, honestly, where I’m from is a lot worse than where you’re from.
It wasn’t until I started going out, making real tangible changes in my life that took a lot of hard work, putting myself out of my comfort zone and really developing as a person, I gradually began coming more to terms with myself and my experience living where I did.
Within the space of a few years, I realised my problems weren’t a result of where I lived, simply they were within myself, and that the place that I lived was actually so much better than I originally
There are objectively, places that are better than others, for a wide wide variety of reasons. That being said, it will not change your innate issues and the problems that you have with said place.