Now that all Japan rail passes have nearly doubled in price, how do you get around the country?

Now that all Japan rail passes have nearly doubled in price, how do you get around the country?

Yes I do realize they have so many tourists now it's no longer worth it to subsidize it to "spread the tourism dollars around" and that people happily pay full price.

I'm just wondering how practical is flying domestically or is it a big waste of time?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just bought the tickets for each trip one way from the ticket machines most accepted cards just fine, credit card worked most of the time but not always, I always had some cash as backup.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    flying domestically was cheaper but less convenient for shorter hops, you had to go through the security check and had restrictions on baggage for every trip and had to wait for the flight. If you use luggage forwarding it's not as big a deal though.
    Train is faster for shorter distances since you just rock up and catch whatever train happens to be passing by then disembark there and then instead of waiting for the bloody plane to park and stairs to be set up, waiting for your luggage to drop, etc...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Luggage forwarding is a game changer for domestic travel in Japan.
      Pack your things for the day and a change of clothes separately, send the rest of the luggage to your next place and you can travel without even thinking of your luggage.
      It's convenient for trains, but even more so for cheap flights, no worries about luggage restrictions, no baggage drop and no waiting at the baggage claim!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. People bring up the fact that domestic flights are cheaper anyway, totally ignoring all the potential extra traveling and waiting involved.

      As for the JR pass, if you're the typical tourist that only does the Tokyo-Kyoto/Osaka route, then now having to pay full price for the shinkansen tickets shouldn't be an issue as it's always been slight cheaper. For such itineraries, usually you would also need to use local transit with the pass to break even.

      I'm still not sure what they were thinking with practically doubling the price of the pass. For the 7 day pass, you practically have to travel a total distance that can take you from one end of Japan to the other. It's ridiculous, and I'm convinced it's intentional to make the pass as impractical and worthless as possible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm convinced it's intentional to make the pass as impractical and worthless as possible.
        It is. They have decided that foreign tourists should pay the same as domestic tourists.

        >Jap government: "We stopped subsidizing the pass because we don't need to promote Kyoto anymore thanks to overtourism."
        >Me: "Well shit, guess I can't go to Tohoku anymore."
        Are they legitimately fricking moronic?

        Most Japanese will be more than fine to see foreign tourists to be limited to the Tokyo-Kyoto-Osaka containment zone.
        The absolute majority of tourism promotion is limited to domestic tourists, they're much easier to handle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It is. They have decided that foreign tourists should pay the same as domestic tourists.
          With those price increases, it's more like them giving a middle finger to tourists and the whole JR rail pass system. I get wanting to reach parity between local and foreign travelers, but why even bother to even offer the "$500" week pass when a typical tourist wouldn't even close to spending that much. It's a bit insulting when I think about it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >giving a middle finger to [...] the whole JR rail pass system
            Indeed.
            >why even bother to even offer the "$500" week pass when a typical tourist wouldn't even close to spending that much
            People pay for convenience, especially if there's a language barrier involved.
            People don't like to think about expenses, so an all-you-can-eat offer is tempting, i.e. "we paid for this already so we don't need to worry about transit any more".
            >It's a bit insulting when I think about it.
            Only if you think about it, which is not something most people do.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Only if you think about it, which is not something most people do.
              Right? It really does feel like they're trying to capitalize on the ignorant and lazy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Most Japanese will be more than fine to see foreign tourists to be limited to the Tokyo-Kyoto-Osaka containment zone.
          Then they'd be real moronic for it. They complain about overtourism and make it difficult for tourist to visit other parts of the country.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are now aware the hokuriku “arch” pass (JR East/West) isn’t going up in price for another 2 months

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    flying is very cost effective when going to places like kummamoto or hokkaido and definitely saves time in comparison to the train as well as cost, Tokyo to Sapporo is like $80 vs $250 (flight vs train) as for going to places like kyoto/nagoya/osaka you could arguably take the train but flying is also probably more effective but cumbersome since u gotta fly Tokyo->Osaka then take a train to kyoto and probably the same for nagoya

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I had that. I flew Tokyo to Nagasaki and that would have been pretty absurd by train, but was like 60 bucks for a two hour flight.
      Sapporo I took the shinkansen to Hakodate then rented a car and drove to Sapporo. In the future I'd probably just fly to Chitose.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Man it pisses me off. A 2 week pass costs MORE than my plane tickets to even get to Japan. I've already had to scratch off several places in the far north and south because of it.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >get a bus ticket
    >travel for <30 between most main cities

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      does japan have flixbus? that's what I used to get between c**ts in europe when I went and I'm currently prepping for my japan trip

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Willer, JR bus services, etc. Willer offers a 10k yen 3 time use over 2 week pass. Literally just google Japan bus from X to Y and roll. They are all about the same

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frick flixbus, its full with slavoids and sandBlack folk

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It will be my first trip to Japan in March, starting in Tokyo and ending in Fukuoka 3 weeks later to then fly on to Korea. Since it's one way it isn't so bad imo, should cost me around £400/ 73,000 yen paying full price for tickets. I already get shafted every time I step on a train here so shrug, at least it will be reliable and I wont be surrounded by trash (human and non human) on every train

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Japan rail passes have always been expensive, for a fricking train. Now they've doubled? what a joke. I'll stick to China.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What annoys me is that is isn't like "oh gomenaisorry, we have to increase the fee by $4 because rising cost of living. Prease understando.", no, they just went "Frick it, we're DOUBLING the price. Oh you want an explanation? Lmao frick off Gaijin, we make the rules now.".

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You do realize the passes have been subsidized for decades now, right? All of them.

        Why the frick would any government pay a firm to make something extraordinarily cheap if it’s no longer of benefit and in fact causes problems like overtourism in Kyoto?

        The amount of brainlets here is astounding

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >going to Japan
    >whining that things are expensive

    Pick one. Just go to China if you want cheap, fast trains.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The yen is ¥144 to $1, nothing is expensive there now.

      • 2 months ago
        Jackass

        It was moderately expensive to take the train a significant distance in japan

        I think I went sapporo-akita-niigata-takasaki-osaka by rail and the total cost was in the high-hundreds of dollars when the equivalent flight could have been under 200 $

        I couldnt have visited the unique places on my list like Akita easily if I flew direct though.

        Japan rail passes have always been expensive, for a fricking train. Now they've doubled? what a joke. I'll stick to China.

        flying domestically was cheaper but less convenient for shorter hops, you had to go through the security check and had restrictions on baggage for every trip and had to wait for the flight. If you use luggage forwarding it's not as big a deal though.
        Train is faster for shorter distances since you just rock up and catch whatever train happens to be passing by then disembark there and then instead of waiting for the bloody plane to park and stairs to be set up, waiting for your luggage to drop, etc...

        The really amazing part about the shinkansen is just how nice the experience is.

        Ultra-smooth ride, no side-to-side rocking like on the local trains, the seats are very comfy with easily double or triple the legroom of an airliner, hell more than youd have in a car. Multiple bathroom facilities per car, sometimes even a vending machine on board. No restrictions on getting up and walking around. Obviously not as fast as flying, but very fast by any other standard, I did the math a few times and we had to be doing at least 100-150kph sustained average, which isnt possible city centre to city centre by road.

        If flying were banned tommorow, the bullet train would absolutely be the most convenient & comfy way to travel that there is.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          wait until 660kph bullet trains become common place, but you won't be able to enjoy the scenery

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Learn basic physics.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              basic physics is for chumps, a confident opinion is king

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          Anonymous

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  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Jap government: "We stopped subsidizing the pass because we don't need to promote Kyoto anymore thanks to overtourism."
    >Me: "Well shit, guess I can't go to Tohoku anymore."
    Are they legitimately fricking moronic?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hitchhiking is 100% cheaper than plane, train or bus

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just buy one way train tickets to wherever you're going. If you're doing something like Hiroshima to Hokkaido, then catch a flight since it's cheaper and it'll save you alot of time.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I used seishun 18. god it's awful, but it's comparatively cheap as shit

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you can’t afford a rail pass you can’t afford Japan. Stay in Kansas

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Night buses and ferries
    They are comfy and kino

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would the JR pass still be worth it if I'll be in Japan for a month and travelling to various regions?

    I think it may take too much planning to keep my transport costs under the cost of a 21 day pass. It would also be nice to have peace of mind with the pass.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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