Will I struggle getting a job teaching English in China if I don't look stereotypically "white"? For reference, I'm half-Chinese, half-German, but other people sometimes tell me I don't really look white. Most commonly people tell me I look mixed, but also that I look Latino or Pacific Islander. Other than that, I'm from a native English speaking country, well-spoken, degree from a prestigious university. Will this hurt my chances at getting hired? I heard that racism is a real issue.
Stop going in sun
In general your odds of finding a job in China are much higher if you're half-Chinese and can speak the language, however, for teaching English it's somewhat of a disadvantage since schools and parents prefer someone who looks the part, i.e. stereotypical white European.
meh. This stereotype is quickly dying now.
>mfw i lost my job cause my boss replaced the expats with filipino teachers
it hurts bros....
are the scum of the earth
>4th year in a row of getting rejected by JET
Im done. Think Im too old to reapply next year
>chinks send me messages saying theyre interested
>send my shit over
>they all ghost me because Im a Flip and not white
How the fuck are you getting replaced when I cant even get in an interview
Did you get interviews? Or straight-up rejected?
I got rejected first two years and an interview this year. I realised my SOP wasn't that good. It was fine but not the best I could write. I rewrote it 5 times, had current JETs look at it and edit it and that landed me an interview.
If you are in your 30s you are probably too old.
rejected. yes, I am in my mid 30s. maybe I'll just go to Thailand or some shit. Chinese don't really hire us unless we're already there. Well, I guess that goes for every country.
The biggest myth I've seen shilled on sighsee is that JET is easy to get on. It really isn't. It's really competitive, since it's a cushy decently paid job where you get to spend time hanging out in Japan for a few years. Yes, most JETs are weirdos, but they are educated and work hard on their applications. Some go to university with a degree specifically to get on the JET programme.
If you are serious about getting on, start working now. Start taking Japanese classes, do a TEFL, Anything that shows your interest in Japanese culture and ability to Teach.
It extremely competitive here in my country. Doesnt help that I have an education and employment gap. Or maybe I just suck ass in writing a good SoP.
I thought sperging about anime and beeing a weaboo was frowned upon? Or at least a very common thing they get in applications.
>I thought sperging about anime and beeing a weaboo was frowned upon? Or at least a very common thing they get in applications.
every person I ever saw get on JET in the last 7 years very obviously sperged about how much they love japan and how much they've loved anime their whole life. they all were very far left leaning as well. JET has been infiltrated by left leaning weebs who are the ones who conduct the interviews. many of the women i've met bitched about how LE WIMMINZ were treated in japan. some even said they got PTSD from living there LOL.
Its different here as far as I can tell. Most people who get into JET from the Philippines have really good qualifications (teacher+teaching experience of more than 2+ years). Funnily enough thats what other recruitment agency also requires for any teaching position. I have a shit resume because I was a NEET for a handful of years and now Im 35 years old.
Sure, you can say that Filipinos are oversaturating the industry but most of them actually like teaching and are serious compared to the stories I keep seeing about some guy just going to JET to get a cushy job and do nothing. This is all anecdotal btw. Of course some of the Filipinos do bring down the wages becaude they'll accept shit pay. Saw a friend post an email from Heart JP (?) Which was already blacklisted by the government here because of shady shit.
Except there's one small program. Have you heard a Flip speak? They can't speak English. Imagine paying someone to learn retarded sounding English.
>esl talking shit on other esls
>If you are in your 30s you are probably too old.
maybe 35+ I can see that. but I saw last years JETS and there were some fat, balding, 30 year old in the group. if you've never worked or studied in Japan, you will 100% be rejected. make sure you sperg about anime and being left leaning too.
Post JET interview purgatory fucking sucks bros.
Why the hell would you want to teach English in China? Get qualified and teach in a better country.
Such as? I don't want to live in the Middle East and Japan/Korea is shit because of all the retarded anime/K-pop fans who are so desperate to live there that they're willing to work for peanuts. Also, I like Three Kingdoms and all that kind of stuff.
>retarded anime/K-pop fans who are so desperate to live there that they're willing to work for peanuts
This seems like an exaggerated problem, particularly if you have a degree from a prestigious university (in a prestigious subject right) and could teach at a collegiate level and not just ABCs to kindergartners.
Sure, it's from a prestigious university, but it's just a BA in Linguistics.
Vietnam is a good option. Standards and salary in Japan and Korea are pretty shit.
vietnam is 3rd world tier compared to most of China. Less regulation and more lawlessness doesn't equal better.
I mean if you like having things like the internet regulated to the point where you can’t even use social media or even do a Google search, then yeah China might be perfect for you. Or if your aim is to get covid.
ye smartass but we ain't talking about internet tho are we? So take your smartassness somewhere else
You literally said regulation. I mean I could go on about Chinese people pooping in the street and all that too. It’s not a place you want to live in if you want a decent quality of life.
Why wouldn't you? No other country allows you to work very comfy public school jobs without a teaching license.
I just want to open a coffee shop
No you will be fine, in fact you'll probably be better off
Why the hell would you want to go to such a shithole?
>For reference, I'm half-Chinese, half-German, but other people sometimes tell me I don't really look white.
Yes you will. China man doesn't want to hire another chinky China man to teach his kids English. Blame your parents for being race mixer cause you look like a mutt dog.
I hope you survive a horrific car crash and get permanently disfigured.
Did you read my post? I'm a westerner, from a native English speaking country. I probably speak English better than you do.
Not talking to you, stupid. I'm talking to the Filipino. Fucking dumb pan faced mutt, hope you get liveleaked.
Flips can get English teaching jobs in low tier cities. You need to actually speak English properly though, and with a neutral accent.
You will be fired instantly if you show up and sound Filipino or use Filipino English speaker mannerisms.
>t watched it happen twice now, the Filipino teacher was dismissed same day the parent heard them speaking "english" during a video chat
Cannot stress just how important neutral/Hollywood/British English is. Don't fuck around, do some language training if you have to.
Hapas do extremely well in China. You shouldn't have any issue at all. In fact, you should even get something better than English-teaching jobs.
My wife is half-Chinese half-white and she's treated better than whites and chinese alike. She had many, many job opportunities without even asking.
Is that really true? Do they ask? I'd think it wouldn't be that easy to tell by looking especially in a country where foreigners and foreign features especially stand out
Why are hapas so fucking insecure? I god damn hate this beta behavior.
Lol ok like "just be confident bro" will make chinese people somehow know and appreciate hapa ancestry when not even westerners in multiracial countries don't know what that is
What are you even saying? Stop being an autistic gay
Bumping this thread because there doesn’t seem to be a TEFL General at the moment. I’m sure this is a long shot, but I’m curious to find out if anyone’s done an MA TESOL or MA in Applied Linguistics with a TESOL focus either online or primarily online, and what they have to say about their program and experience.
I’m already teaching at private language schools, and I have two vaguely impressive, almost relevant degrees, but I want to get out of private language school settings and into real schools.
Presently living in small-town Europe, so there’s no relevant training available locally, but my goal is to move into international school work here. If I ever relocate back to the States my goal would be to teach in high school or community college settings.
So I’m curious to hear if anyone’s ever actually done a teaching-relevant postgraduate degree.
I’m not interested in CELTA or other certificates; I’m already working and looking to expand my options beyond those that these certs would open to me.
You should look into getting a CELTA as well if you want to work in certain countries. I have an MA in Applied Linguistics but had to have my CELTA to get a work permit
I’ll keep it in mind, but I’m not looking at relocating at the moment, and already have permission to work where I am now. What country required you to get a CELTA to get the work permit? It’s the first I’ve heard of a country asking for it; I’ve only ever heard of the countries requiring degrees, with certificates just being requested by specific employers rather than immigration authorities.
Where did you do your MA, and do you recommend your program?
Hey OP, am also half and half
I was making 200-400rmb an hour in Beijing 2015-2017 as a full-time student. However that was mainly through private lessons, working under the table at a tutoring center, etc..
Basically I'd get a part-time job, work at it for a bit, guanxi with parents, and cut out the middleman. Turn those 150/hr tutoring jobs into 300. Parents and students were fine with my 'racial ambiguity'.
The only time I felt slighted was getting hired for a high school speech course. The pay was good at 500rmb/hr pathed up to a work visa, and too good to be true. Right as classes started the coordinator dropped me from 5 classes to 1 and told me I'd be a substitute teacher. They told me I shouldn't have gotten the job on paper (Chinese last name) but was handsome enough to make it work. Some jobs aren't worth taking
I don't know how flexible the situation is with Student Visa's nowadays but basically everyone I knew who studied hard in China was working on the side. I knew this Bangladeshi guy with a London accent who taught over Wechat. 2 hours a night at 300rmb/hr teaching people barely able to string a sentence together.
At one point I also did apply for a formal workvisa / classroom monkey job, but you have to fight for every bit and piece of your contract. It's always a headache with contracts.
Already spending too much time on this OP, but tldr Parents and Students like mixed-race, schools and companies will use it to bargain against you.
Anyway that's my experiences OP, best of luck
>They told me I shouldn't have gotten the job on paper (Chinese last name) but was handsome enough to make it work. Some jobs aren't worth taking
> Parents and Students like mixed-race, schools and companies will use it to bargain against you.
How does this not make you absolutely hate all (mainland) chinese? They behave the way people think Joos behave.
>They behave the way people think Joos behave.
Theres a reason so many gnomish guys end up marrying chinese girls
>IM NOT WHITE WAAAAAAH!
I fucking hate hapas I swear to God. The biggest crying bitches in the fucking world. In China no one cares anymore if you are white. It's not 2010 anymore. Plenty of jobs are replacing their teachers with penny philipinos now (unfortunately)
>I fucking hate hapas I swear to God. The biggest crying bitches in the fucking world
Except for you white incels, all you can do is cry in jealousy of superior brown people awhile you devote your life to living with them and feeling inferior 24/7
I'm White. I have no clue how to feel inferior. Also browns and blacks live near me, not the other around.
Has anyone done EPIK?
I'm applying for EPIK rn after getting rejected post-interview last fall. Waiting for my professors to send their letters of rec. I just got my bachelor's last summer. Hate this feedback loop of not getting jobs cause of lack of experience, thus contributing to your lack of experience.
I am trying to get a job for two months now but its fucking impossible.
Quit halfassing it. Quit drinking quit cooming quit drugs quit 4chud quit consooming goyslop and garden gnometainment and then actually try.
I am scanning every single job board every day. 80% of the jobs are for people with anglo passports, 10% of the jobs are in china which I don't really want, 10% of the jobs are pretty cool but they always pick someone else (at least I get the we will contact you experience)
Do you have experience? If you don't and you don't have an Anglo passport, you might need to get your ass to one of these countries and apply for jobs on the ground. You can probably get something in SEA. I'd recommend Vietnam and Cambodia only because I have experience in both - maybe other anons could say something positive about your chances in Indonesia or Malaysia.
I am a teacher in my country for 8 years. Does it count something or I need to have experience from foreigner countries?
Nah, your experience should count for something. My suggestion is to go beyond applying for TEFL jobs (which tend to have strict, even if low, entry bars) and apply for jobs at international schools teaching subjects or grade levels. I got such a job by applying for something I saw on ESLCafe, and many of my fellow teachers were from all around the world - Kazakhs, Lebanese, French, etc. The commonality was being fluent in English.
Mind you, the school was in a country going through something of a civil war, but I used that experience as a springboard for other international schools, despite never having been a licensed teacher or having an education degree.
If you go there physically, in person, it will help. In america and the anglosphere, for whatever reason, there has been a huge shift, and now people don't want you to apply in person, they just want you to do it online. But this is not so popular outside of the anglosphere. In other european countries, and in china, going somewhere in person is always going to help. If you want to get a job in china, you will need to be there, in person, to show them that you are fluent in english, and that you are well mannered, etc. Since you have a good degree, and you are fluent in english, and you are half white, you will almost be guaranteed a job if you go to china, or taiwan, which actually would be a more friendly and easier place for you to get a TEFL job than china. You just have to do it. You have to go there and start talking to people
How to I stay motivated to finish my classes bros.
I watched videos about everyday life in vietnam, japan, south korea and amateur porn with cute girls from these countries.
>Will I struggle getting a job teaching English in China if I don't look stereotypically "white"?
I met many English teachers in China that weren't white - they were South Asian, black, Latino, etc. They all had Angle passports and were native English speakers. There is some discussion in Chinese TEFL circles about *really white* teachers supposedly having it better than others, but I think the only real advantage is that a *really white* guy can overcome the stigma in China against ugly teachers. It's harder for women and non-whites to overcome being ugly in China. Chinese do not like ugly English teachers.
Planning on doing a CELTA in vietnam then just get a job afterwards, anyone had any experience in this?
I did this about a decade ago. I think you’ll find it pretty easy to get a job if you have a CELTA and just go directly to language centers like ILA and Apollo and ask whether they’re hiring. Expect to work weekends or part time at first though.
its useless. dont do it.
>job posting always says native english speaker
I assume this is because of passports from those countries right? Should I even bother applying for those as a non-native?
People are literally talking about it if you look further. Read the thread retard.
Little anon here just applied for a job in china. Wish me luck bros
Good luck. Please report if you get one as looking to do the same. If people arent getting jobs china I might look at other countries in Asia, but they dont seem to pay nearly as much.
They didnt respond so far so I guess its over
you got it bro, just wait a little more
There are shit ton of jobs in both Taiwan and China. If you have no experience or credentials you should be applying to all of them. if you REALLY want the job, maximize your chances by forwarding a CV translated by a professional (not using deepl, that shit barely works for Chinese) in chinese as well as the english version so they know you care (and puts you ahead of most oblivious tards).
Why wait ? Write a CV and apply en masse. What are you waiting for and what do you have to lose ?
What's the policy on COVID vaccines in China and Taiwan? I just got my first one a few days ago because a school said I had to be fully vaccinated. Am I able to get shots there, or do I have to have two doses and a booster before I'm allowed to teach? (Which means waiting another three months.)
This the TEFL and related subjects thread?
I'm seriously considering doing the whole move to china become an english teacher meme, not many other options with an english degree, but from what I've heard literally from everyone the money is actually all in private lessons not your main job
Can someone go through the process of how you establish these relationships with parents/ adult students and actually arrange these lessons? I'm kinda the typical socially awkward introverted type so I'm kinda shitty at networking
STOP TALKING ABOUT STUPID SHIT YOU COOMERS AND ANSWER MY QUESTION
>Trying to interrupt our cooming
A lot of schools won't let you privately tutor their students and will mention it in your contract. Your best bet is to place ads and meet people through local friends.
They have cracked down on illegal teachers especially since COVID
I'm writing my essays for the EPIK application right now and I know more or less what to write but does anyone have suggestions for this prompt
>answer both why you want to teach EFL and why you want to teach in Korea
>luv korea init m8, sik food
>wana make a difference 2 kids init
hundreds of responses based on nothing but LARP
Chinese people are FACEBLIND when it comes to europeans and even hapas. No, chinese people living in the west don't count as they lost the face blindness. They'll just think your ass to be white.
What's the cooming like in China and Taiwan? I remember this dude in an old thread who taught in Shanghai claimed he banged over 100 girls in three years.
100 girls in 3 years is easily doable, especially for an old guy who is up for any woman under the age of menopause. That's less than one new girl every 1.5 weeks. The only suHispanicious thing is that he didn't come across one or two girls that he particularly enjoyed and then slowed down or stopped banging new ones.
Stfu larping is so dumb, seriously
You've never worked in Asia if you haven't met fellow teachers who have a new girl every weekend.
Yeah I was there 12 years, not working as an esl slave too, and I saw many sexpat losers try their luck and fail every single time. The ones who managed to stay found a really homely looking wife. There's a very small percentage of attractive foreigners who get attention from local women, they are young, and traveling or students, and none of them larp here on a daily basis.
I've had different experiences. I also don't have an axe to grind. You might narcissistically think you have advice to offer in a TEFL thread because you've lived in Asia, but you get angry and insulting when you read things you don't like so you should probably just fuck off.
>stop interrupting my larp!!!!!
How do white women do with the cooming/dating there? My male Chinese e-friends only ever seem to talk about Asian women, although one did say "Western women have big asses."
Women the world over can get laid if they want to. They might need to lower their standards, but almost any woman can get laid. When talking about relatively young and able-bodied female TEFL teachers in Asia, they could date if they really want to.
Having said that, I've worked in TEFL for over a decade and female TEFL teachers have very different dating experiences than men, at least in Asia. The majority of them hate the dating scene. First, most of them are not attracted to the average Asian guy because they are smaller than them and seemingly less confident. Second, most Asian guys are not attracted to the female TEFL teachers because they are bigger than them and seemingly loud and opinionated. Most of the female TEFL teachers in Asia are only interested in dating male TEFL teachers, and most male TEFL teachers in Asia are much more interested in the local women.
There are exceptions to this (mostly in Korea and Japan) but this is still mostly true in those countries as well. And the longer they spend in Asia, the more bitter those women get.
Because only ugly women do tefl jobs.
The pretty and cute girls travel or study abroad and have no problem finding boyfriends whether locals or also foreigners from their country. Imagine dating a fucking foreign teacher l.
>Because only ugly women do tefl jobs.
>The pretty and cute girls travel or study abroad
You're comparing mid-20s to mid-30s age bracket women (female TEFL teachers) with early 20s age bracket girls (students and gap year travelers). Apple and oranges, anon.
China expats will larp about fucking anything cause they are insecure as fuck. They will larp about how many girls they fucked, larp about the qualifications, larp about their wage, larp about where they are from, etc. Take anything expats (especially men) say with a grain of salt
I don't know if you've actually been there, but if you're white and remotely attractive you can rack up a triple digit belt count in 1-2 years if that's your goal.
Late but have you considered Taiwan? It's the easiest and nicest to get to, and live in, not that interesting but you are a short flight away from a ton of other countries. It's like China and Japan mixed together, it looks like Japan but with scooters and Chinese language and food. You also don't feel like the government is watching you, because it's not China.
Not the OP, but I just got hired for a job in one of the big cities in Taiwan. Any tips on what to expect? I've taught three years in the USA, so not worried about the job duties, but was wondering about day-to-day life there.
stop advertising your shit here retard, there's a taiwan thread for your kind
As a mixed Chinese-Canadian family, all I can say is, stay the fuck out of China for the time being. Most of our China side in Fuzhou work in low level government, many are teachers. They're saying foreign teachers are locked down with no income, deported or arrested based on region and circumstance. I'm nationally Canadian and we aren't welcome right now.
What's it like teaching English in Europe? Czech Republic, Poland, and Spain is where I see the most jobs, but most people seem more interested in Asia. Is the drinking and fucking truly that much better?
>Is the drinking and fucking truly that much better?
The combination of pay, cost of living, and standard of living is usually much better in Asia than Europe. And if you like cheap lager beer and small-bodied women, the drinking and fucking is better too.
>The combination of pay, cost of living, and standard of living is usually much better
What is the pay for a teacher in europe? The housing looks com-block in both cases.
>if you like cheap lager beer
>and small-bodied women
I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
I've never worked in Europe, but during a boring spell during Covid I did submit a shit load of applications and did some interviews before winding up in Kazakhstan. The pay in Poland and Ukraine (lol) was under $1000/month and the cost of living wasn't cheap (or didn't seem cheap to me). I could have still gone because I have other incomes and just teach for the visa and the fun, but Kazakhstan seemed more interesting (and turned out to be probably more boring after the initial culture shock), and I returned to Asia once those countries opened back up.
Bros, is what he says true?
Here’s some highlights if you don’t want to watch the full thing:
You read my mind... eerie
So is what he said accurate?
>Watching a 2 hour stream
Why do Americans do this? Don't they have better things to do with their life than to listen to other people talk. It's a bug activity.
People who can, do.
People who can't, listen to podcasts.
People with no lives at all watch video recordings of podcasts.
Americans are bugs who do as they're told. CNN told them X is bad? Then X is bad. I've had more constructive conversations with Chinese than with Americans.
It's 2 fucking hours. Highlight their talking points you want to discuss.
>Will I struggle getting a job teaching English in China if I don't look stereotypically "white"? For reference, I'm half-Chinese, half-German, but other people sometimes tell me I don't really look white. Most commonly people tell me I look mixed, but also that I look Latino or Pacific Islander. Other than that, I'm from a native English speaking country, well-spoken, degree from a prestigious university. Will this hurt my chances at getting hired? I heard that racism is a real issue.
My cousin is Portuguese, and she teaches English in Hong Kong, she has a masters degree from Coimbra University, and she has a good living there. I don't think looking white has anything to do with teaching English, what matters is your credentials. Are you actually qualified to teach English? They won't give you a job teaching English if you studied chemistry in university, you know what i mean?
>you have to be qualified and have degree in english to teach TEFL