The no concrete evidence that Jesus even existed

The no concrete evidence that Jesus even existed

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus is prophesied in Job though. Also this was written and takes place in an antediluvian kingdom, long before the flood.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's irrelevant to the topic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Must. Resist. Urge. To Shoehorn. Jesus. Everywhere. AAaahhh I cant!!!!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus is prophesied in Job
      ? Where?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally everywhere because Jesus Christ = the Son = the Word etc etc. Do you even Gospel of John and Apostolic Creed bro?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    not really but you can tell that *something* happened and there was a movement that originated from people devoted to a specific israeli apocalyptic prophet who was crucified

  3. 3 weeks ago
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    THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE OF THE EXISTENCE OF JESUSCHRIST THAN THERE IS OF YOURS.

  4. 3 weeks ago
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    WHY DO THEY LET YOU USE THE INTERNET AT THE MANICOMIVM?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's more evidence for his existence than there is for most known people of antiquity.

    His existence wasn't doubted by opponents of Christianity throughout antiquity (although tbf they just took it for granted he must've existed, since making up a fake guy and dying for him seemed nonsensical.) The letters of Paul and the gospels might be biased in favor of making Jesus look good, but it shows there was already a consistent Christian tradition and general set of principles/teachings across the Roman empire which would be hard to coordinate for someone who was completely fabricated. These both show a general consistency in multiple independent sources, both pro and anti-Christian, agreeing on Jesus's existence, what he stood for (somewhat,) and recognition that the spread of Christianity was a subject worth praising/criticizing. It was spreading too fast too quickly for it to be based on a guy who was simply made up.

    There's also the criterion of embarrassment, which is also one of the strongest tools that can be used to pinpoint who Jesus was and what he did. So far it seems he was a baptized follower of John the Baptist for a certain time, and was publicly crucified. These two wouldn't be fabricated by people trying to invent a new god because they're too damaging to the appeal of the religion (although this handicap was obviously eventually able to be overcome,) and raise too many theological questions which need to be danced around.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >since making up a fake guy and dying for him seemed nonsensical.
      Something something drink the kool-aid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Must. Resist. Urge. To Shoehorn. Jesus. Everywhere. AAaahhh I cant!!!!

      Christianity is dying because it's illegitimate like Islam or Judaism. The Bible isn't able to reach new generations unlike the Quran

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Moses either existed or was a composite figure.
    Shakyamuni either existed or was a composite figure.
    Jesus either existed or was a composite figure.
    Mohammed either existed or was a composite figure.

    Same can be applied to virtually all severely influential religious characters from a millennia+ in the past. Does it matter whether they were a full-fledged, singular entity, or a composite of charismatic historical leaders? Not really. Why even bother trying to convince people one way or the other?

    The only folks who get it completely wrong are the ones who believe with total surety that these people did not exist, and incessantly shout about it. They can go frick themselves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mohammed
      Mohammed was real unlike them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >My guy was definitely real, but your guys were totally fake.
        This is laughable. Please KYS immediately.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You think in us vs them which shows your naivety

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Mohammed was real unlike them

        You think in us vs them which shows your naivety

        >You think in us vs them which shows your naivety

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Again you're blinded to facts because you think in us vs them. You cannot fathom thinking outside the prison you've put your mind in

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are good arguments to doubt that Mohammed was an actual person:

            https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-i-questioned-the-history-of-muhammad-1420821462
            https://historyancientphilsophy.wordpress.com/2024/02/15/mohammed-a-composite-of-old-testament-figures-also-based-upon-jesus-christ/
            It is you who has been imprisoned, by indoctrination from moronic dogmatists.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Mohammed was real unlike them

          Again you're blinded to facts because you think in us vs them. You cannot fathom thinking outside the prison you've put your mind in

          >Again you're blinded to facts because you think in us vs them. You cannot fathom thinking outside the prison you've put your mind in

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I already knew you were childish so it was only a matter of time before the wojaks came out. I accept your concession

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I already knew you were childish so it was only a matter of time before the wojaks came out. I accept your concession

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kek you lost

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How did he lose, Yusuf? There's just as much academic doubt about Mohammed as there is about Christ, if not more. The only difference is that Mohammed cultists will try and hunt you like an animal if you talk about it publicly.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus did exist, whether or not he was the son of God, is another subject.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus did exist
      There's no proof

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Why does jesus have to be real again?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It really feels like Job was written by different people than the Old Testament. It doesn't fit at all and the character of Satan is quite different than elsewhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By elsewhere you mean the new testament? Because in both occasions he appears in the OT he is doing the same thing, bringing charges to God against a man.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theres not a lot of concrete evidence for anything 2000 years ago. Three Roman sources refer to Jesus within 100 years of his death. Tacitus, Suetonius, Josephus. Additionally, Pliny the Younger describes a Christian community within 100 years of the crucifixion.

    Finally we must remember the Gospels (canonical and non-canonical) are historical documents which describe some amount of accurate history (the destruction of 2nd temple judaism, the governership of Pontius Pilate, geographical names like Tiberias built in 20ad mentioned in Johns Gospel etc.)

    The theory that no man called Jesus is an extreme minority position in NT studies. In fact not a single major name in the field entertains it not Koester, Crossan, NT Wright, James Robinson etc.

    It is a stupid meme briefly popular in 19th century German and capable of launching mediocre names into the paperback book tour circuit when revived.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No real concrete existence of OP either, ChatGPT.

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