The so called "expats" are destroying the economy of this country, they have literally frick up the entire Spanish real estate market, a rent...

The so called "expats" are destroying the economy of this country, they have literally frick up the entire Spanish real estate market, a rental is 80% of my wage, how the hell are we local like me going to live?

I'm looking in Valencia and the rent don't go below 1200 €

frick them all

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The market regulates itself you communist or nazi VENEZUELA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    como dicen lo chavalines Disfrutad lo votado

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t.panchi moron

      The market regulates itself you communist or nazi VENEZUELA

      empresaurio

      Kek this Black person’s from Valencia

      yes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MADURO YOU ARE TO BLAME AHHHHHH COMMUNISM

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kek this Black person’s from Valencia

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    let me in

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ywn be rich enough to nab spaniard property and colonize mediterranean paradise

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we're both celtic brothers, don't hate

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Celtic? We’re 100% Arabic homies, off with ye head kafir

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't you mean berber? Arabs never went there, only moors which are berber

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The berbers came afterwards. IIRC the original batch was Syrian, at least the ruling dynasty was.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what they want you to think

          In truth spaniards are direct descendants of the Umayyad caliphs. The Ummah will be ruled from Madrid

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are basically just as many Spaniards in the UK as there are bongs in Spain. It’s a fair trade. Most of us are just shutting up your holiday spots too, not taking up real estate in your cities, unlike Spaniards who all live in London.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >not taking up real estate in your cities
          But apparently that's what you're doing. Also "people" start buying properties and turn them into Airbnbs for tourists scum driving up prices

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't take it personally but all british pensioneers in spain should be shot at sight

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all british pensioneers in spain should be shot at sight
            Not fair. Why only them?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Along with many others ofc

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And what do you think about the 10 million of brown inmigrants? Do you like them or you just say nothing against then fricking communist?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Make room for one more, Manolo. Even though I'm probably whiter than half the population.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              VENEZUELA, CHAVEZ, MADURO, BOLCHEVIQUES AHHHHHHH

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Now I understand why a good part of Spanish America is subservient.
              That's the thinking of a prostitute.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          UK is much more populated and has much better land than UK

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            brazilian science looks interesting

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Celtic
      >Valencia
      the'yre iberian not some crakkka ass celtics

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    at least youre not flooded by Arabs and Black folk

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am also a valencian and I cannot wait for riots to happen and them to leave this city in hordes back to Barcelona

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't happen

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know, only poverty and hunger awaits us, but I will still fantasize of the people breaking free from gentifrication and beheading all of the guiri

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          BAAAAAAAASED

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How well can I live off of 3000$ a month? Where should I go if I want to learn Spanish and actually become a part of the local community? I dont want to move to Spain to just hang out with a bunch of gringos.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You would live really well

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm looking in Valencia and the rent don't go below 1200 €
    bet youre looking at the city center lol
    go live in a city from its metro area homie

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wealthy Spaniards gentrify certain neighborhoods in Valencia, kicking out the original inhabitants
    >wealthy guiri gentrify those neighborhoods a second time, kicking out the original gentrifiers
    Sounds like Justice

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick it drop what you're doing and swim to the freedom land, Gonzalez, you cousins are already doing it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon he's complaining about housing being unattainable...
      That's one problem that won't fix itself when coming here...

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how is that possible that housing prices is unbelievably high literally everywhere? country has expats or doesn't have, has immigration or doesn't have, even in Ukraine rent is horribly expensive 10 km from the frontline

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >literally everywhere

      Only in the West, not in the rest of the world. This is due to the flow of people, the financialization of the economy and the commodification of housing rights.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So housing is affordable in Brazil even with a Brazilian salary?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the average rent in Sao Paolo or Rio de Janeiro is almost exactly equal to the average salary. not even NYC is this bad

          so, no, its not solely a western phenomenon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How can Brazilians afford to live in their own country...

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              idk about Brazil in particular, but generally, poorer countries have larger household sizes. like several generations living under one roof and children only moving out when they're married.

              that way, they save on housing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh so if you don't live with your family and end up being a low level wagie you're fricked?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's seldom the case. in middle eastern countries, housing is basically always a multi-generational unit

                https://i.imgur.com/l0NaYOr.gif

                Wrong.

                you didn't refute my statement. Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo have the most fricked up rental market I've ever seen. no western city comes close, neither London nor Paris nor NYC

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because you probably look at the price of where 5% of the rich live.

                WOW, LOOK HOW EXPENSIVE THE PRICES IN LEBLON ARE

                WOW, LOOK HOW EXPENSIVE THE PRICES IN JARDINS ARE

                The average person in this neighborhood earns 50x their rent

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i dont, I look at averages

                >As is usually the case, Sao Paulo had the most expensive rents in Brazil, with an average square metre price of R$47.06.

                which equals to almost 2000 reals, or an average salary, for a small apartment

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because this average is made by taking the square meter of each neighborhood and dividing it up. The difference is that 100,000 people live in the Jardins and 1 million live in any middle-class neighborhood. The average rent in São Paulo outside the wealthy areas is around 25 reais per square meter. Between 25 and 35. That's a lot less than the average salary.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                idk, maybe, but you could make that cope for london as well and its still more affordable.

                regardless of the situation in Brazil in particular, the rental markets in the capitals of Kazakhstan or Mexico are also far more cutthroat than what firsties dreamed of

                Chinese a-tier cities are universally acknowledged to have the most expensive real estate in the world - NOMINALLY, not even by affordability

                your statement this is a western hemisphere phenomenon is asinine and easily refutable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Type into google the percentage of young Chinese who own their own home and compare it with the rest of the world. You who are in cope apparently.

                A fact about Brazil.
                Housing census: 70% of Brazilians live in their own homes, says survey
                A study by the startup QuintoAndar and Datafolha also points out that most of the population with paid-off homes is in the North (76%), followed by the Northeast (73%), South (72%), Southeast (67%) and Midwest (65%).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Home ownership isn’t an indicator of affordability.

                The Chinese pour a larger % of income into housing than any other country and often live in multi-generational homes, which results in these rates

                The sole indicators of affordability are:
                - ratio of average salary to rent
                - ratio of average salary to sqm
                - sqm or rooms per capita

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know, of course. but obviously real estate crises manifest themselves most evidently in the most demanded urban areas, not in the hinterlands

                >to the point of being more than the salary (which is impossible)
                it is possible. it would manifest in people having very little square feet per capita as they share apartments or make them ultra-tiny, which is what happens in Tokyo, for example.

                Type into google the percentage of young Chinese who own their own home and compare it with the rest of the world. You who are in cope apparently.

                A fact about Brazil.
                Housing census: 70% of Brazilians live in their own homes, says survey
                A study by the startup QuintoAndar and Datafolha also points out that most of the population with paid-off homes is in the North (76%), followed by the Northeast (73%), South (72%), Southeast (67%) and Midwest (65%).

                On average, 90% of Chinese citizens own their homes: in urban areas, this proportion is 87%, while in rural areas it is 96%, according to a study on housing in China carried out by the University of Albany in the United States.

                This is one of the highest rates in the world.

                For comparison, in the United States, the proportion is 65.3%. In Germany, it's 51.1%.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can still choose to buy homes even if they’re unaffordable, it’s just going to cost you a higher % of your income and you’ll save on space

                The country with the most affordable housing in the world is/used to be the USA and Canada, hence why they have the largest sqm per capita

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Used to be. Not any more, especially Canada. It's almost impossible to buy a house today. Rent prices in Brazil have risen below salaries in Brazil. Still, the number of people with their own homes is only growing. Also, Brazil has a financing program for poor people to buy a house that the US and Canada never dream of having. That's the price of liberal democracy: you'll live in your car when things go wrong.

                This is a question for the West, not the rest of the world. Which is what I said at the beginning of the discussion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Used to be. Not any more,

                That’s the case with many, not just Western countries.

                Chinese today spend a larger share of income on housing than any other country in the world. And not because their housing is good quality

                > That's the price of liberal democracy: you'll live in your car when things go wrong.
                Or with your extended family in cramped conditions, as is the norm for many parts of the 2nd and 3st world.

                The idea most single people have their own place is a privilege of 1st world countries

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is a difference between paying for something that will be yours and paying monthly for something that will never be yours. You're fighting with the data, and using data related to well-being. If the US were good, it wouldn't have 3x as many homeless people as Brazil. I don't know how many thousand people living in cars.

                The worst housing condition in Brazil today, which is living in a favela, would be something like that:

                It's undeniable that China has solved this problem, as well as having a stable population without immigration.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > There is a difference between paying for something that will be yours and paying monthly for something that will never be yours.

                If Americans were willing to spend 50% of their income on a commieblocks apartment - often shared with someone - they could also take out many more mortgages

                > It's undeniable that China has solved this problem.
                Having the highest expenditure in the whole world on rather dogshit housing is called a crisis, not a solution in my eyes

                The USA faces a predicament, but their affordability - minus some urban areas - remains leagues above China or most of the 1st world even

                >as well as having a stable population without immigration
                That’s just a straight lie, it’s their second year of decline. And another topic.

                (What matters isn’t population numbers anyways, but the size of the workforce aged 18-60, btw)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                KEK you've started to put things into perspective. Certainly living in a coommieblock is better than literally living on the street or in a car.

                Also, the discussion started when I said that the rest of the world was improving and that the worsening was a matter of the West. Even if today it's comparatively worse than in the first world, it's simply undeniable that any and all housing conditions have improved in Brazil and I'm sure in China too. A country that used to have 80% of its population living in rural areas. Even if an average Chinese spends more than an American on housing, his life has improved, the point is that you're starting to spend more to get the same shit.

                My point has always been correct, the worsening is a matter for the West, not the rest of the world. Just compare how an average Chiones or an average Brazilian lived 30 years ago and now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Certainly living in a coommieblock is better than literally living on the street or in a car.
                False dichotomy.

                Spending 1/3 your income on spacious housing (USA) is better than spending half of your income on cramped housing (China), which is how most people in these countries live

                > My point has always been correct, the worsening is a matter for the West, not the rest of the world
                Depends on the metric. Some Western countries may be stagnating (the USA not even amongst them), but that doesn’t mean Nigeria is catching up soon

                China or Brazil have decades until they reach purchasing power parity with 1985 USA. And by then, the west will have grown further

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The question is where we were and where we are going. Housing is improving in Brazil. That's all I said. And it's obvious that in the West it's getting worse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I donut know enough Portuguese to research on that topic, my dude

                Affordability has worsened in many places that aren’t Western, such as Russia or Kazakhstan. Nominal prices doubled, so did interest rates. Salaries rose by only 50% meanwhile

                I know because I’m supposed to monitor this stuff for job related reasons

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eu vou morar no Brazil
                Eu sei que voces nao estao cheios

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Even if today it's comparatively worse than in the first world, it's simply undeniable that any and all housing conditions have improved in Brazil and I'm sure in China too

                Yeah. But if you look at averages rather than outliers, housing conditions and general living conditions actually continued to improve in the first world as well. Wealthy boomers have continued accumulating wealth nonstop

                It’s the young who have it worse

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And even if São Paulo and Rio were expensive to the point of being more than the salary (which is impossible), that doesn't represent even 5% of Brazil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What cities are cheaper that you recommend anão

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know, of course. but obviously real estate crises manifest themselves most evidently in the most demanded urban areas, not in the hinterlands

                >to the point of being more than the salary (which is impossible)
                it is possible. it would manifest in people having very little square feet per capita as they share apartments or make them ultra-tiny, which is what happens in Tokyo, for example.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Renting or buying, the information is simply wrong kek

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because neoliberalism and governments stopped building public housings, we need to go back

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not enough houses and no government intervention.
      Landlords drive prices up because someone will rent an apartment for an extortionate amount of money.
      Foreign investors who don't even live near the area buy up entired apartment complexes and try to bully out the old tenants. Happened to my family where some Swiss investor renewed our bathroom and increased the size of the balcony by 20cm and used this as justification to charge us 400 Euro more per month. Once we moved, said landlord tried to squeeze 6000 Euros from us due to supposed damage we caused to the apartment.
      New landlord is a based boomer. A local who actually lives in the same building and helps out when there is a problem.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wow. Real estate investors should get Real jobs. That's just scummy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It gets even better.
          My family has been living there for over 20 years so he could only kick us out with a good reason. Just wanting new tenants who he could charge more is not a valid reason.
          He said his parents needed to move in so we had 18 months to move. Within those 18 months random people showed up to review our apartment, a bunch of strangers just walking into my room while I was in it. Then he rented to apartment to a new family after we were out. He kicked us out under a false pretext and I don't know why my parents never brought this to court.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People want to live where the jobs are and all the jobs are getting concentrated into cities and cities have limited amount of land

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your countrymen also move here so there is nothing wrong with me moving to Spain.
    I can only respect such attitude if you actually kick out all Arabs and Africans.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same in Italy, but worse
    We have a high level of tax evasion meaning that a bunch of people make money on tourists while wagies gets all the malus

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how is Ley de Vivienda working so far?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1200?
    I’m moving to Valencia

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's probably for a one room, anon

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uno beero please lass

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Once I have $30,000 dollars/yr in passive income, or whatever the visa requirement is in the future. I am moving to Spain.

    You cannot stop me. You are not full. I will come.
    Be warned.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do they also accept just having a job online as a code monkey that might pay $40k a year?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dont think so, but they do have a digital nomad visa.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My rent is 90% of my wage and I live in the cheapest apartment in town. I get paid very well above minimum wage.

    Welcome to the first world.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vacation rentals should be banned.

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