UK immigration

Is UK a decent country to immigrate too?

In USA I can make about 60k a year but I really hate my job (serious random drug tests and shit hours).

I have UK citizenship from my father, but I have not been in 25 years.

I have saved up a lot of money but is it worth immigrating too?

Is life better in USA being a garbage man than UK?

In USA garbage man is a pretty typical male job you make 25$ an hour, but work 50-60 hours a week doing hard labor with random drug tests, in a city with high taxes and 350k buys you a shit box.

And the retirement kind of sucks, it's shitty teamsters not government.

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is life better in USA being a garbage man than UK?
    I was very curious about this, so I did ten minutes of Googling; the internet tells me that you’d make a lot less as a bin man in the UK than in the US. Starting salary (wage?) is evidently around £17K, maxing out at £25K or so, or up to £31K in London, but London is guaranteed to be exponentially more expensive than wherever you live now; with currency conversion it looks like the most a garbage man can possibly earn in the UK is about US$39,000. Wages are generally lower in the UK than they are in the US, across virtually all industries. But perhaps the hours or conditions might be a bit better?

    I have multiple American friends who live in the UK, and it clearly agrees with them, but I think they all took pay cuts, and the ones who live in London laugh about how incredibly expensive it is; you won’t likely find a home to buy there for less than a million.

    You might go for a visit and see if you actually enjoy it before you think about relocating. And perhaps think about skilling up to some type of better-paid work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Burger here
      I know two girls who moved to the UK for grad school, both seemed to enjoy it very much
      If you have cultural pretensions, enjoy nightlife, are interested in fucking Europeans, and have an American income, moving to London probably isn't such a bad idea

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Moving to the UK from the US would be a downgrade. The UK has a low standard of living and low wages. Living spaces are tiny, and Brits are rude and uneducated. I am British born but lived most of my life outside of the UK, wouldn't want to go back there tbh.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Brits are rude and uneducated

      Not true. Every Brit has a monocle, furs, butlers, and high-brow accents. Occasionally there's a chav but they're tucked away

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i dont think there are random drug tests i have no idea though
    you would make a lot less money its probably a bad idea

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are "no" random drug tests in the U.K. anon. Well there are a handful of small American firms that do it, but it's considered an imposition, and they’re almost always in finance or tech. Council bin men won’t get drug tested by their employer. Drug testing normally only happens if you get involved in a vehicle accident bad enough for the police to attend.

    Retirement is better - salary related pensions are standard for public sector employees. Work for several decades and you get decent money as an OAP. Healthcare is included in your tax bill.

    Main difference - land is scarce so housing is terrible value for money. On a bin man’s money you’ll be renting somewhere small for £££. If you bring enough $ with you to buy a place / get a mortgage it’s a better prospect.

    Where would you move to?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't care where I move too.
      Was thinking Cardiff or Manchester... Basically the biggest cheap city, so housing will be cheaper and I can jump around jobs.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go to Chester and commute to Liverpool or Manchester is my advice. It's a smaller city within good distance to those larger ones but it's very old school English and beautiful and also on the doorstep of all the nature in North Wales.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      land scarscity is not the issue. It's the home ownership schemes from the 70s pushed by Thatcher that fucked today's housing market.

      As much as I hate living in the UK, it really doesn't get much better as far as quality of life which explains why housing is in such high demand.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        House prices didnt properly start shooting up until Blair in 97 and mass migration really started up

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's not necessarily Blair's fault though. More rubberbanding then anything

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe its wrth a try idk..

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    We are full.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/82152813#/?channel=RES_BUY

    So this seems really under priced as an American.

    Let's just say this costs 80,000 usd....
    You couldn't buy this for 150k in portland

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's because it's student accommodation. Even if you could live there (unlikely), you really wouldn't want to live there.

      Filter out Shared Ownership, retirement/lifetime leases, anything mentioning students or investment (ie. it has a tenant living there) and you're looking at £120-130k ($150k-ish)

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    FUCK
    OFF
    WE
    ARE
    FULL

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unless you're white

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Full of fucking Indians and Muslims

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Retirement
    >Binman money
    LOL

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP here I forgot to mention that I'm Hispanic and trans so will the NHS provide my HRT?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. 7 year wait for an assessment

      t. Actual chud

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you move to an immigrant hellhole? Stay in the USA, there's plenty of nice, white only places in the mid-west.

    Moving to the UK is akin to moving to Mumbai or Mogadishu. This place is a multicultural shithole with ever decreasing standards of living and public services, thanks to streetshitter nepotism.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Real wages in the UK are very low, and average living spaces are almost as bad as Japan. I am reasonably happy here for now, I make decent money (though I hate my job) and live in one of the few nicer towns that hasn't been Islamified (yet). I may emigrate in the future. I don't think moving here from the US is a good idea currently, our economy is getting ugly and you will definitely have worse living standards than you have now.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leaf here with a similar question. Have been considering moving to Scotland when I have enough money saved up and experience in my field to translate skills over. How hard is it to get a work visa for the 6 months thing and is there difficulty applying for residency if I'd be able to secure a permanent job in the country?

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You couldn't survive on a UK wage because you weren't born into it. You need that innate sense of scrimping and saving and eating only 19p expired beans for years. I would never move back.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you trying to go to one of the worst countries in the west...
      UK people are disgusting, their food is terrible, the weather is depressing, living standards aren't actually better than USA.
      Move a bit right for better living conditions and down for more warm people.
      USA has the best wages in the world, so you'll never gain more than there.

      Please don't. It's bad here. Shit weather, actual shit on the beaches, london sucks, nothing to do and everything is rly fucking expensive. If I wasnt a turbo autist neet id have left long ago.

      In contrast to the OP where is a good place to immigrate to FROM the UK. I am fucking sick of this place.

      UK bros is it really that bad?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it's fucking awful and I have almost nothing positive to say about it. To add to the other comments, it's even worse the more North you go. Think Detroit but EVERY town and city instead of just the one.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you like cities and go to London or Manchester as a tourist you will probably like it. Living here on the other hand is existing in a constant malaise where nothing good or bad ever really happens yet everything is fucked and always seems to be getting worse. And you have to pay a ridiculous amount of money to live in a tiny matchbox house unless you want to live in some northern chav infested shithole or Scotland (basically the same thing). People are also on the whole completely retarded, foreign or both. I also want to go to south america to coom but flights are too expensive. Welcome to the UK

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dis be da op...
          I want to live in a chav infested shit hole.
          Its 500k to live in American city and get paid $25 an hour to do hard physical labor, having the government piss test you every 6 months, being surrounded by trans people, homeless and fat mexicans.

          We get 5 days sick days a year, no vacation for the first year. You won't get 3 weeks until year 5.

          You basically work until you die and arnt allowed to travel until you are senior management.

          I want to travel and make a living wage.

          I don't care if I have to live with low class white people

          Can you give an example of these chav infested shit holes?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Basically I don't want to sacrifice my life to make 5-8% of my net worth every year.
            I want to have 4 weeks of vacation

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >living wage

              Why do all commies demand to be rich while they brag about being lazy? Is that from the communist manifesto? Anyway you mutts are spoiled as soon as you move elsewhere you will end up eating from garbage bins

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You work more but also definitely get paid much more than you would here. Bin man starting salary here is £17000, about $20000, literally a third of your current pay, and once you factor in income tax and national insurance this goes down to £15171 a year or £1265 a month, it will be impossible to live anywhere here like this.

            As for the chav infested shitholes, just pick anywhere north of (and including) Birmingham. Here's some for free: Blackpool, Doncaster, Nottingham. There are some rare nice places of course but they will be much too expensive for the likes of you or me (or anyone not rich).

            Consider this, even if you want to live in a shitty £70000 two bed apartment in blackpool of all places, if you have £7000 to cough up for a mortgage deposit that means you have £405 mortgage payments monthly. Add bills on top of this which are ridiculous right now probably north of £300, food costs for the month say £200 a month. You are now left with about £360 and we have not even factored in council tax, transport costs like car insurance (you will definitely want to drive here public transport is shit) or anything else you would like to do in your free time like your drugs. All of this so you can live in an absolute shithole like blackpool where you will certainly be surrounded by the scum of the earth.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous
              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                That still is only equal to about £1700 a month after tax national insurance etc, and it seems based in macclesfield/crewe which will definitely be more expensive than Blackpool (although probably suits what you are looking for in terms of area) its doable on that salary but you will be living in a shitbox apartment. And that job requires a UK HGV and CPC license, so until you are here and pass those you will have no chance of getting that job, your US licenses are not valid. Atleast the roads here are decently safe (as there is so much fucking traffic its impossible to get up to a speed to do anything dangerous most of the time) so you should be able to pass them easily if you really wanted to.

                Also you mentioned travelling. Travelling is ass here unless you have copious money. Everywhere fun costs hundreds in flights, and the closeby european destinations that are cheap like Italy France etc cost hundreds in accommodation anyway so works out to the same. The only places that are both cheap in flights and accom are boring eastern European nothing cities, although there are some exceptions eg Budapest.

                I'm probably pretty jaded of this country at this place to be honest so take all this with a pinch of salt. If you really want to try it give it a go, as said its not really an especially terrible place, just a soulless one.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Outside London and the South East that's a liveable salary but being the bin lorry driver is stretching the classical definition of being a bin man a bit. You could probably add another £5-10K onto that by being a normal HGV driver.

                There's also the option of going on the social housing register. Without any kids or underlying conditions you'd be right at the back of a queue and you wouldn't get the rent paid for you but if you got one, you get 20%-50% off of the "market rate" rent and sometimes get the option to buy at a reduced price after a while. The disadvantage is council houses are more likely to be in a shitty area and you can get trapped in sink hole estates.

                Almost all bin man in america are Class A CDL meaning (+26000 lbs).

                Truck drivers in USA normally make about 300$ a day of work (11 hour day); but I do think the working conditions are worse here, because they generally stay out 4 weeks and get 5 days home time.

                The only problem with HGV is that I need a regular drivers license for 1 year before HGV.

                I might make a trip to my cousin in Perth, Scotland just to get my drivers license; and see his horrible life as a taxi driver.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you can crash with your cousin while you do your driving and get the necessary licenses that will probably be your best option. Take it as a chance to explore the country a bit too see for yourself if you like it.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Outside London and the South East that's a liveable salary but being the bin lorry driver is stretching the classical definition of being a bin man a bit. You could probably add another £5-10K onto that by being a normal HGV driver.

                There's also the option of going on the social housing register. Without any kids or underlying conditions you'd be right at the back of a queue and you wouldn't get the rent paid for you but if you got one, you get 20%-50% off of the "market rate" rent and sometimes get the option to buy at a reduced price after a while. The disadvantage is council houses are more likely to be in a shitty area and you can get trapped in sink hole estates.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't listen to the guy dismissing the Norf. Dickhead's probably never even been here. Manchester's a great place, but I don't know what being a binman here's like. People are more socially open up North so idk if as a Texan you might prefer that.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes
        the uk sucks ass and has ony gotten worse during my lifetime
        salaries suck, taxes suck, col sucks, the weather sucks, it's too full, and the people suck
        england has double the population density of italy people have no idea how cramped it is here
        if you are already rich you can live on green belt but that is for boomers who made it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        while there is a lot of exaggeration because a lot of British people online are cucks who want to suck off Americans for the meme, it is getting quite dire here at the moment

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          To make 50 grand a year in the UK, twice the national average, is to have less buying power and quality of life than a Canadian apprentice.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm originally from an area north of London and immigrated to the US in the mid-2000s. There are definitely times that I miss "home" but returning to visit often leaves me feeling rather bleak. As one Anon pointed out, very little changes (which is great if you like a sense of normalcy in that regard). The shops on high street might change faces but, again, not much else moves. It also feels like the population of my hometown has thinned out either through old age expiration or the younger crowd moving elsewhere for opportunities. I do miss many distinctively British things (nary a single neighbor had a kettle when I arrived in the US and I found it baffling) but I guess I feel more hopeful where I live now. And my accent attracted a lot of women, at least initially. I never had to worry about a social safety net so YMMV.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is really, really bad.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A really popular show in England is "Cant Pay? We'll Take It Away!" which boils down the harsh realities of living in England. If you move there you will be borderline homeless your entire stay, your apartment will shrink to a fraction of where you live now and overall you will have a shit time after the "new country feel" goes away. It's a decent tourism stop if you get out of London, but for fucks sake don't move to the UK.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That show doesn't reflect all that much. It is essentially about poor people who are bad with money not being allowed to keep things they can't afford. These people make terrible financial decisions and would be way, way worse off in other places without the government programs and social safety nets of the UK. The more clued in poor people game the fuck out of the system

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          As an American who travelled to Europe, I’m not gonna shit talk you guys too much because there are a lot of nice things there(the best being the food is MUCH better then the US, you guys should stop importing our shit food culture, you will regret it), but the one thing i noticed is everything feels cramped to someone coming from the US. More people, everything is smaller, from the cars, to public transport, to restaurants, to apartments, hotel rooms etc. and I’m only an average sized guy, if I was a large man Europe would be absolutely suffocating. Anyway something to consider if you are prone to being claustrophobic

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its beyond fucked here. Hell on earth. I dontgo outside and eat 500 calories a day

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's nowhere near as bad as people make out, though it does have its drawbacks. This site is full of thirtysomethings who were either too thick to do well at school, or worse still, underachieved. They're embittered by their own failures and blame it on the government, or society in general. In many cases, they are on antidepressant drugs and the sight of a few grey clouds is enough to send them on a month-long shitposting rampage about how awful their homeland is.

        I live in the East Riding and very much enjoy my life. I had an American friend at school and he was from the Midwest, though he now lives in Texas. He says he very much misses it here and might one day return.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mate I have terrible news that will shatter your world. You’re 35. School was 20 years ago. Uni graduation was 15 years ago. No one gives a shit about your degree, if anything it makes your failure to leave the country or earn above 30 grand in the country even more bleak.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unsurprisingly, everything you've asserted is wrong

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >wr-wrong!
              Ok little fella

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's fucking horrible for everything except making £££ if you're from eastern europe like me. Lived 9 years in the midlands, the average living conditions are downright appaling. It is normal for houses to have mould in corners of the rooms. Most of tasty food I ate there was cooked by myself as eat out places are overpriced and most times mediocre at best. sighsee aspect is mostly crap since most good spots like Snowdon in wales are hounded by tourists. Weather is windy and wet, making -1C feel like -6C (i now don't get cold because I used to constantly be so cold thwre). Architecture - depressing. People at your workplace will be 95% NPC's incapable of discussing anything else than the current garden gnome media happenings. They won't 'tell it to you straight' too. Made some really nice and funny friends for life too. Children's behaviour is rotten in schools because of uncaring parents. And from what i hear the place is spiralling down fast economically. Only utility i personally found in it is to get free education through a sponsored enginnering apprenticeship, making a lot of money then fucking off to a place I now happily live in without carpets in bathrooms and mould in my room.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you trying to go to one of the worst countries in the west...
    UK people are disgusting, their food is terrible, the weather is depressing, living standards aren't actually better than USA.
    Move a bit right for better living conditions and down for more warm people.
    USA has the best wages in the world, so you'll never gain more than there.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Please don't. It's bad here. Shit weather, actual shit on the beaches, london sucks, nothing to do and everything is rly fucking expensive. If I wasnt a turbo autist neet id have left long ago.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    In contrast to the OP where is a good place to immigrate to FROM the UK. I am fucking sick of this place.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same

      Outside London and the South East that's a liveable salary but being the bin lorry driver is stretching the classical definition of being a bin man a bit. You could probably add another £5-10K onto that by being a normal HGV driver.

      There's also the option of going on the social housing register. Without any kids or underlying conditions you'd be right at the back of a queue and you wouldn't get the rent paid for you but if you got one, you get 20%-50% off of the "market rate" rent and sometimes get the option to buy at a reduced price after a while. The disadvantage is council houses are more likely to be in a shitty area and you can get trapped in sink hole estates.

      It is basically pointless signing up to that as a non severely disabled man. You will never get anywhere and people will be prioritised over you constantly. Someone who ticks their boxes who is homeless may have a place by a years time, but it may be infested with rats and be structurally unsound and unfit for purpose. Imagine living in a converted old house with thin floors and walls so you can hear every one of your neighbours movements and conversations, and this is aside from them being complete cunts. Meanwhile illegal immigrants get put up in 4 star hotel accommodation and dominos pizza all for free because the government is too backwards to repeal EU human rights laws to be able to deport them

      OP and that one Canadian - I would not recommend you come here. Your salary and quality of life would be much better in your respective countries than here. Just move elsewhere in your country

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Australia. I came here on holiday a few years ago and never left. Now I'm a permanent resident, looking at citizenship next year. No degree. Make £98k a year roughly. Engaged to a beautiful woman. Drive a big V8. Get phone calls twice a month trying to head hunt me for other jobs. I was a bit of a loser in the UK. 30k a year and chronic fat girl acquisition syndrome.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hello m8 what job should I gun for in order to make a good salary in Aus?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          What are you good at lad?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've got a background in admin and I'm studying something white collar in construction that I have a couple of years of low level experience in. You might say "well just do that then" but I am pretty flexible as although I find construction interesting I am not committed to doing the same thing I am studying as a job, at least not forever, but I don't foresee it being too hard to do something similar, so what do you recommend?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You’re being kinda vague so I can’t really answer but admin isn’t a skill, jack that office shit in and go work construction or mining on site (or get a trade!)

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                What in construction?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Machine operator? Drainage crew? You can travel around Australia just doing shutdowns even and make better money than me. Just something specific that isn’t “admin” helps.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        This

        Rural small towns and villages are comfy, everything else is mudslime infested shitholes (even small towns have them but less). Nicer parts of London are expense, the rest is little mogadishu and islamabad. Scotland is absolutely terrible, drug and chav infested shithole, people shit on England but jesus christ Scotland is way worse.

        I thought immigration was impossible to Australia after 30?

        I can't get holiday visa, I would need a work visa.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          You thought wrong. Do you have a trade/profession?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just truck driving
            2 year degree and one million in USD
            I can get a general contractors license and start doing septic tanks

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >another vague post with no details of actual qualification
              What do you want me to say?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What qualifications is Australia looking for a work visa

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You want to read the SOL, the Specified Occupations List, which details required professions and which visas each one qualifies for. The page for each profession contains links to the visa type pages which detail age restrictions etc.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would love to live in the Welsh speaking part of Wales, Cumbria, Northumbria, Scottish Highlands/Islands. Thing is as a White Man; I probably wouldn't even get a residency visa.

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are just better places to go than the UK.
    London, Manchester, Birmingham are shitholes. Rural UK is comfy.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Rural small towns and villages are comfy, everything else is mudslime infested shitholes (even small towns have them but less). Nicer parts of London are expense, the rest is little mogadishu and islamabad. Scotland is absolutely terrible, drug and chav infested shithole, people shit on England but jesus christ Scotland is way worse.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Scotland is a frightening place

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Also, to pre empt noooooooo muh cost of living. Fuel is half price here lads. Property outside of Sydney and Melbourne costs fuck all. Food is comparable at worst and much higher quality. A lot of country jobs simply comp you all your meals anyway. What cost of living?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao, the median salary in the UK is 10s of thousands of dollars less than US

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How is the cost of living in small city vs the U.S. though when factoring in health insurance and everything else

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You will make less than a third of what you will in the US and US prices for many things are much lower than the UK. It’s unlikely you’ll be able to just live in the UK, you’ll have to do serious budgeting every single month. The developers at JAGEX (who make RuneScape) at the height of its profitability were making about 30k a year in todays money. A similar job in the US would be over 100k

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can confirm, mid range Web developer is looking at £35K in the UK. $90k in the US. It's temping to move but only software engineers get work visas

          HOWEVER. I get 25 days of holiday + (~10) bank holidays + 1 day a quarter "wellbeing" and once you've been somewhere a year, it's really fucking hard to get sacked.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I try to explain why the US salaries can be so high to euro's and other non americans quite often. basically, in EU countries, a slightly above average and a slightly below average professional worker are pretty close to parity with each other. in the US, if you are even a cunt hair to the right of the bell curve for what you do, you are going to live like a king but unfortunately if you are on the other side of that curve, you might not even get hired in the first place.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >in the US, if you are even a cunt hair to the right of the bell curve for what you do, you are going to live like a king but unfortunately if you are on the other side of that curve, you might not even get hired in the first place.
              Why?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                couple reasons.

                1. very little in the way of job security/protection. if you don't perform, they just sack you and get someone else. this is reinforced by...

                2. the american corporate world is still very much influenced by the Jack Welch style of management. aptly dubbed Rank n' Yank, meaning that if you fall to the bottom of the organization performance wise, your job is in jeopardy. and thats performance against your peers, not objective performance of the job itself. you could do your job just fine but if Joe Rockstar et al is beating your metrics, it doesn't matter.

                3. talent is statistically rare and every organization wants to either stack its deck or at the least keep that talent out of the hands of the competition. tech companies are notorious for doing this buts its been a staple of american business for decades now.

                4. american professions are very centered on the individual, meaning theres always one guy on any given project who's king shit of fuck mountain and when things go right, he gets most of the laurels but when things go wrong he eats all the shit and probably loses his job. euro's don't really do this to such a degree, decisions and responsibility/accountability is spread out through group consensus, which protects the individual somewhat when things go sideways. so in the US consistently good individual performers are rewarded very well while poor ones have their careers obliterated.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >1. very little in the way of job security/protection. if you don't perform, they just sack you and get someone else. this is reinforced by...
                Lol lmao. You can be a total fuckup and keep your office job, doubly so if a racial minority.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly, even factoring this in, UK wages are hilarious. The top performer of a field in the UK will earn less than the mid level of that field in any other developed country (US, Australia, Canada etc). Add to this the extreme UK cost of living and shit weather (and proximity to even worse places like France). If you’re unfortunate enough to have been born there and not talented enough to emigrate, you can make nice lemonade still but you wouldn’t move there. You may as well hit your cock and balls with a hammer.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        About the same, for less of roughly equivalent quality.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Europe in general is just shit. Low wages, shit weather, rude people, only thing going for it is shit built by dead empires, but nothing built today. If there were open borders between the US and Europe all of Europe would empty out overnight.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    UK is a grim shithole where you will earn less. As an EU fag that has lived in UK and Ireland, I'd rather live in US than any of those dreadful shitholes. They're downright dystopian. At least in US you can earn serious money. Plus you got real outdoors, whereas UK is like one back garden with hardly any woods. Food is dreadful. Only benefit is that Europe is very close, so you could take a cheap Ryanair flight to anywhere for a weekend or an extended trip.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >As an EU fag that has lived in UK and Ireland, I'd rather live in US than any of those dreadful shitholes.
      thats because you have never been to the US. US is huge, there are definitely nice places to live but most are garbage with trash people, especially in this day and age.
      UK is not great but it is also not bad, the beauty of the UK is that typical white English person (not from London or other big cities) does not give a fuck what some eurofag thinks about him or his country while in many European countries people are obsessed about what others will think about them (this is reflected in politics, culture and even mentality of individual people). In this regard UK is free and free'er than most of Europe, and USA is even more free, chances are you would probably dislike american mentality even more than British.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        have you been to europe? the quality of life in somewhere like rural spain is an order of magnitute more comfortable and peaceful than the uk
        people there really don't give a shit about the outside world and just live in close communities eating nice food and hanging out
        in the uk people absolutely do care what people think about them and constantly try and signal wealth and status by buying whatever chavvy shit is fashionable or an overpriced car
        we have all the materialism of the usa but without the wealth to even actually have nice things

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          So you talk about small communities in rural spain which are mostly older folk and then chavs in UK, who are 99.9% urbam youth. Its not the right comparison, go to smallerot rural towns in the UK and older people are a lot more laid back, then go to cities or larger towns in Spain you will find the spanish urban youth and worse. I visisted few friends in rural Spain this summer and it was very comfy inside with ac on until I stepped outside and nearly died due to extreme heat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Spain is way more rural than the UK though. The population density in England is more than double.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have literally no idea what you are saying. If anything UK is the most Americanised European country seeing how they're still obsessed with kneeling for BLM. Also the fattest country on the continent.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wanted to move to the UK because Australia is boring but this thread is putting me off tbh.

    Also the correct name for a person who drives a truck or heavy vehicle is a 'Truckie' and I expect people you to use proper terminology from now one.

    Good on ya OP you big fat old truckie.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I want to move to a small island because my huge continent containing every climate zone with much higher incomes and standards of living is boring
      I give you 6 months before you begin to starve

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No one starves here mate the government gives poor people free money

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          40% of the under 5s in England are malnourished

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Says who

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              NHS

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's not because of lack of money, it's because of subhuman parents, of which there are plenty.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              25% of the population are not working. Yes, tons of shit parents but imagine dismissing the economic state of 2022 Britain. Its a failed state

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There are a lot of people who choose not to work either because they do not want to or their welfare amounts to more or similar to what they would earn working

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you are Australian then I reckon you will like it. Every aussie that I have met that does the working holiday visa loved it here. I guess it is that feeling of returning to the motherland which gets the neurons firing. Or maybe its the fact cocaine is cheaper.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agree with the other fag, you will probably love it but it depends what you want out of it. Want endless socialization, sports, food and access to Europe? You'll like the UK (London). Want plenty of space and access to more outdoorsy activies? Don't come here.

      I want to do more free diving and fishing so hopefully I can move to WA sometime in the future. Also it's too cold.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can absolutely live in a comfy house in the peak district with access to some of the nicest scenery in the UK with shitloads of trails. Generally cheaper than the South East too. Pic related is in Bakewell and is £350k.

        The problem is everyone wants to live on the commuter belt to London.

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        UK bros is it really that bad?

        It's not bad, it's just expensive with comparatively low wages. People here have been reading doom and gloom articles for so long that they believe them.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Moving to the UK from the US would make little difference at this point after a decade of decline.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got dual UK/Canada citizenship might go back after my degree. I don't know if it's worth it.
    UK is a bleak shithole, but Canada (and Canadians) are insufferable trash. Only considering it more out my dislike for Canada than wanting to go to the UK.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the UK is a scam, one of the most overpriced, miserable low quality of life shitholes on the planet

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks for your service.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Britfag here. You must be out of your mind to consider it, OP. Things have never been worse here. Cost of living is through the roof, housing shortage, rents in very scarce supply, general apathy and misery amongst the populace. And its an ethnic sithole with demographics about to get way more diversified in the next decade. Dont forget the weather is fucking awful too. I'd leave forever if I could

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'd leave forever if I could

      If i won the lottery i wouldn't pack, id just go the same day, and never come back. When my mum dies put me on a zoom call.

      Id never come back, ever

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey brits; where should me and my wife stay If I want to see an arsenal match fall 2023?

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My parents live in London (st. Albans, previously Richmond) and love it. They are absolutely loaded though. I've obviously been there a lot and personally I wouldn't want to live there as anything less than an elite. A burger and fries and a soda can cost 50 dollars depending on where you go, etc. Plus the people are pricks and the weather sucks. Other than the tourist shit, the techno scene is the only thing I really like about it.

    If you're not rich you'd be better off living somewhere else in the country. I personally loved Liverpool when I visited there, but even that is probably going to be more expensive than many cities in the US

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wages for class 2 & 7.5T driving have been increasing since Brexit, as older drivers retire and it's harder to get European drivers, in the old days class 1 paid much more but it's more even now, with internet shopping and so on.

    You need to do your CPC to earn a living from driving in the UK. Why would you be a garbage man, though? These are local government jobs and do not pay as well. You should be able to earn £30k to £40k, depending on the job, hours worked and so on, a good place to start might be a large blue chip company like Tesco (UK equivalent to Walmart).

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wow just hearing about life in the UK is depressing. I'm an uneducated convicted felon and make 60k a year as a chief engineer at a hotel. I do maybe 1-2 hours worth of work on my shift and depend the rest of the day yucking it up with guests and co-workers. Been feeling like a loser lately but at least I own a decent sized house, can pay the bills and have a relaxed job.

    Sorry about your luck britbongs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's generally just the housing situation that makes things fucked up.

      Free healthcare, generous holidays, very difficult to sack someone without a lengthy process and payoff and a good benefits safety net. Less money but more stable and you're just generally more able to enjoy life.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Free healthcare (that you pay for but can't access), generous holidays(so you get paid half as much), very difficult to sack someone without a lengthy process and payoff (lowering hiring, innovated productivity)and a good benefits safety net(that you pay for and browns and roasties abuse)

        England is the worst country in the world you are just coping and dilating

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is UK a decent country to immigrate too?
    You could not pay me enough money to live on that island.
    >cramped 2M$ brick houses
    >cramped streets filled with blacks
    >snotty stuck up people
    >everything is gray and raining all the time
    >everyone's poor except the politicians
    >do you have a license to purchase that butter knife sir?

    ya hard pass.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://mises.org/wire/these-us-states-have-higher-incomes-nearly-every-european-country

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Might go back to the UK to do a uni degree and then leave again and never pay for it kek

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