>The SEA obsession on sighsee is unreal. You "people" need some serious help. Ugly 4ft brown yellowish slant eyed SEA women aren't help
what do you got?
"help" isn't very helpful
I'm not leaving SEA until there's a good solution
>What do you even do there? Name at least 5 non-sick pervert things that you enjoy SEA for.
1. Surfing ($900/month for a 2bd1ba a 3min walk to the waves). Other ocean acivities available as well
2. Overall food scene: whether it's presence of Hispanicy food, the food cost, or the delivery cost (like $1 vs $10+).
3. It's a base for travel to east asia. For example,, I can get to japan in 4.5hr instead of 18-26hr, which makes it possible to do a weekend or 1 week trip instead of needing it to be a huge event
4. Motorcycle culture. More people ride; repairs/maintenance/mods are cheaper too
5. For the last part I'll go with a bunch of 'little' things that are hard to find in tandem, at least for me: almost no nigs, no winter, decent housing costs <$1500/month, and you can find #walkable areas if you value that. I can also get a (live-in) assistant for $200-400/month.
Sounds fucking nice anon. What country? I'm assuming places near the beach that cheap that actually allow foreigners to rent without hassle would either be Thailand or the Philippines
So is Statefarm which is located in Bloomington-Normal. Besides Shitcago why else would anyone visit Illinois? Property taxes are skyhigh and the weather is terrible there 9 months out of the year. Crime is terrible in the inner cities. Pot holes and shit maintained roads everywhere. Gang violence has spread to modest rural communities throughout central and southern Illinois. Families there are moving out in droves. Illinois was great ten/twenty years ago now it’s really gone to shit. Born and raised in central Illinois. Everyone I know young and old has moved the fuck out. It’s turning into moronville. The state is going to shit on so many levels. So happy I said goodbye last year.
All of my friends and my parents are here. So everyone I care about. As much as I hate the Midwest, I don't love the feeling of leaving them all to start again. I worked so hard and for so long to find people I care about that also care about me. I can't just leave.
for the cost difference of housing alone between wisconsin and oregon I can afford to travel internationally for two months a year, build my own RV14 and own my own home instead of rent. I would be able to afford doing one of those three things on the west coast in the same high-trust stable 87% white community that I have here in wisconsin. and fwiw outside of madison they crack the fuck down here, way more so than oregon.
im not delusional enough to believe this is absolutely ideal, but I am happy with the choice I've made.
What's actually flyover? Aren't places like East Oregon and New Mexico counted since they're not along the coast and they have next to no opportunity? Is Mississippi and West Virginia not flyover? It seems like it's been referred to literally anything that isn't LA or NYC
New Mexico is flyover central. Dunno if you’ve been, but I drove up from Albuquerque through Santa Fe, into Colorado. There is quite literally nothing there. You can see for miles and miles. It’s actually a cool part of the world to see.
Anyways, pretty much anywhere that doesn’t have some sort of commercial hub or big city would be considered flyover. Colorado = not flyover. West Virginia = flyover. The definition is ambiguous though, and it can be taken to include a bunch of different states. Coasties excepted.
Actually, West Virginia is literally the most flown-over state in the country.
I live in Kansas. I don't want to leave. Weather is liveable year round, very low COL, neighborly, great laws, friendly culture, low number of woke retards and nogs, plenty of work to go around. I have a 2500 sq foot house in the suburbs that wouldn't get me a fucking dilapidated shack in the hood for what I pay for my mortgage. I'm married to a beautiful white woman, and raising my children in a nearly all white community with strong family values.
Californians fuck off and sleep in the bed you made
At least you are bought into your housing market, but the sad fact is the coastals have the money from their make believe fake economy which got them rich but in the process fucked up our country. They're coming.
Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Oregon, Colorado and Utah are all dead. Idaho's fate is sealed. Montana and Wyoming are holding on OK, mainly due to climate, but their position isn't great. The next frontier for liberals fleeing their creation is the middle west, and they've already got footholds scattered all over.
You will be Oregonified
You will have fentanyl addicts impervious to the law all over town
Your children will have sex changes and if you even speak in opposiiton you will go to jail
Your neighborhood will be "ungentrified" so the low wage immigrants who take your jobs can have an appropriate ghetto to live in
You will be taxed more to fund reparations, which have already started in the midwest.
>Never mistake suburbanites for real humans, you expose yourself as having no culture when you do this
It's scary going to suburbs surrounding my Canadian city. The people there are so fat, and everyone gives off uncanny feelings. Like you just know they moved out there as soon as they got married. The men are fat, the women are mostly overweight and excessively obsessive about their grass and who parking in front of their house when they own a garage and driveway.
Never mistake suburbanites for real humans, you expose yourself as having no culture when you do this.
This photo is like just like the suburbs, so I'm confused.
This image, endlessly reposted by ignorant Eurofags, does not depict an American town; this is a rest stop on an interstate highway in Anywhere, USA. People only stop here to fuel up, grab food at a drive-thru, and stay one night in a motel if it is getting late. Nobody lives here.
Small rural towns are just like that. Massive road the runs through it and chain restaurants. Then you drive 40 minutes to a Walmart because small towns don't have mom and pop shops anymore
There are also suburban commercial streets that aren't so dissimilar, but you're right that the image is of an interstate exit and those are the worst of it.
But, all things considered, I'd rather live in a suburb or the country where I don't hear neighbors 24/7, have my own space if I need it, but shop on those kinds of streets. Even the "mid" density urban stuff people always talk about seems super claustrophobic to me.
I’m an American and idk what you’re talking about. Yeah you’ve got some nice quaint New England towns and maybe some cool stuff in the desert to the west, but most suburban areas consist of absolutely soulless strip malls.
Who cares what eurofags think. Not our job to enlighten them. It's funny how they invariably choose to visit cities when they come here, like they are looking for something similar to where they came from.
Look at how many eurofags go to Little Italy in NYC. Like you don't have fucking Italian food in Europe? It's probably better than in NYC anyway, every single restaurant in Little Italy is owned by albanians. Vegas is apparently another hotspot for eurotrash.
Feels great to be a Kentuckian, the only people coming here are people from Michigan and they're just comical to have around because of their funny accents and demeanor.
Prob around Dayton, it’s on the up and my sister said they have a program by the state to send your kids to private schools because the public are so bad (due to socio-economic troubled youths)
Never thought i'd hear dayton is having a positive moment
Columbus is easily the nicest part of Ohio.
>Columbus is easily the nicest part of Ohio.
interesting.
cleveland has live moronball games and idk if columbus would have that cozy/comfy feel that Kent does, but I've heard it's nice. my own experience in columbus is very limited
Never thought i'd hear dayton is having a positive moment
[...] >Columbus is easily the nicest part of Ohio.
interesting.
cleveland has live moronball games and idk if columbus would have that cozy/comfy feel that Kent does, but I've heard it's nice. my own experience in columbus is very limited
For me, the Appalachian region of Ohio is the only good part. Damn fuck did I hate those family drives from Kentucky to Michigan. But you go East of Cincinatti and it feels like home.
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All in all, crossing the Ohio river is generally a bad idea for any Kentuckian. The midwest is civilization, and it feels like enemy territory. Rules exist in your lands. It's awful.
>It’s all the same, dude. Flyovers at least have a bit less violent crime and are less expensive.
A town of 30,000-35,000 or so that is 9x% white has WAY less crime. I couldn't believe growing up have neurotic my senpai was about locking our door. nothing ever happened, but they'd watch ((news)) and get scared easily
i'm not against locking doors, but there's no need to be hypervigilant about it in suburban white ohio
All you’re describing is a disparity in size and population and not a disparity between Flyover vs Coastal states? Do you not think that small 90% white towns in New Jersey have low crime? They do.
Seeing as New Jersey has one of the busiest international airports in the nation, it hardly qualifies as "flyover", regardless of how undesirable the state may be. >t. former New Joiseyan
when I lived there, I'd hear all the complaints about how most people never see the real NJ, just the stretch from Newark Airport to NYC.
It's a "flyover state" by the complaints of its own residents.
>but muh pine barrens >but muh shore
When you ask people not in NY or Philadelphia about the Jersey shore, most people think of the TV show rather than the location. Also every urban area is a shithole in NJ, the suburban areas and the rural areas are quite decent with all that yuppie money flowing out so it's not a bad spot if you are okay with the high COL.
Rampant drug use in peaceful white suburbs makes it common sense to lock your house and car these days, regardless of where you live. Heroin/pill/fent users are rarely violent, but one should not give them opportunities for theft.
Delusional people paying 4,000 for rent or living in a shoebox will argue with you but this is the truth. The internet has flattened culture to where everyplace is the same and it's not going back. The winning play is to live somewhere cheap and near nature.
Delusional people paying 4,000 for rent or living in a shoebox will argue with you but this is the truth. The internet has flattened culture to where everyplace is the same and it's not going back. The winning play is to live somewhere cheap and near nature.
If you're single, it's not the same. You'll be exposed to a better dating pool in a larger city. Other than that, I agree.
there are about a dozen young women (25 or younger) at mass every sunday. my gf talks to them all the time, they are all looking for decent men. I try and just act stupid while I daydream about railing them.
in fact most of mass is me dialouging with the lord about why he made men this way and the grueling temptation he puts before us. literally in his own house of worship he pulls this stunt. on everything else he and I have a pretty solid understanding but on this I just don't see the point he is trying to make.
tl;dr anon its a goldmine for a young guy looking to settle down. you just gotta have a good job and be somewhat put together physically.
>mass
I've attended hundreds of rural churches in my travels, every one of them Protestant. Only the big, modern surburban churches had lots of young people. The rural churches were nearly all old people and families. The Catholic situation may be different, but Catholicism is not too common in rural America outside the Northeast.
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Catholic mass in the northeast will be full of young people still. Many churches are closing so people are consolidating though.
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My church is in rural kentucky and its baptist, tons of young people so many it makes me wonder if christianity is on the upswing again
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It is very common in suburban Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. But most younger people (born in 80s or later) don't attend mass regularly as adults. >t. dated catholic girl
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>The Catholic situation may be different
In broad strokes, it's not.
I want to believe that you are not lying, but like the other anon said, all the Catholic masses I've been to in "rural/non-city" locations have rarely if ever had "young" people en masse. We are not going to dox you on an anonymous coooming board, what about your location or demographics is unique where you have young normal people actively going to mass and participating in the community (as you suggest since your GF is friends with them).
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>what about your location or demographics is unique where you have young normal people actively going to mass and participating in the community
Latino or wop background.
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this is in a mountain west resort town. the congregation in general is about a hundred or so people who regularly swing by.
Im moving back in a few das. Flying into a flyover state heh nothin' personell kid
In all seriousness though i got a good job offer and am getting back with the girl i love. Im a peasant at heart so i love the small town shit
>In all seriousness though i got a good job offer and am getting back with the girl i love. Im a peasant at heart so i love the small town shit
Good on you for knowing what is enough for you and being content! Being in love is > any hustle and bustle. few combine both successfully
Same actually. Moving back from Florida. Glad to be heading back to more temperate seasonal weather where regular downpours occur and hills exist. I love how everything is within 5-10 minutes driving distance. The Midwest aint all bad. Just depends on what you like. There's a lot of cozy areas. Lived in a small university town most of my life so I like that small town shit as well.
1 crazy fact about rural life that Californians dont know!
With the exceptional of the teeth, pigs will eat an ENTIRE human corpse, including the bones!
If you are disposing of an out-of-towner, make sure you pull his teeth out before you feed the body to the hogs! Each pig will eat 10lbs of a corpse a day, so make sure to do your math!
As tempting as it is, don't save the teeth as a trophy. Make sure you grind them down into dust and dispose of the remains well away from your property!
>Why are you in still a flyover state anon?
Here are a few reasons I moved back to Iowa:
You can make good money relative to the cost of living. No traffic, suburb of a city of 150k, good golf courses, good schools, great place to raise a family. Nobody has asked me for a dollar at a gas station in years.
Cons:
Blacks are migrating from CHI, STL, MSP and these youngsters like to fire off the blicky.
Cold as fuck Dec-March
>Here are a few reasons I moved back to Iowa:
Would anyone have the ability to compare and contrast Iowa and Ohio?
I was born in Ohio and really grew up in Ohio, but briefly lived in Iowa for a couple years prior to kindergarten (it's where my 2 siblings were born)
I've since driven through Davenport and it seems comfy...
it even had good asian massage parlors due to all the trucking that runs through
If I were to return to midwest life, should I go Ohio hometown or go Iowa?
>I've heard it's a bit late to jump into Colorado now. Is this true?
If you look at the price history of houses in Denver, you're gonna feel late. Just know that everyone else under 40 feels the same way
It's like a lot of the desirable parts of USA that have non-remote jobs worth a damn: boomers got into a 5bd4ba for $93k in 1984.
Then that boomer listed it for $1.5 million, but "at least" price was cut to $1.2 million + tip.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1615-Stuart-St-Denver-CO-80204/13315644_zpid/
That said, many of my Denver transplant friends that balked at the prices, moved back to kansas city/orlando/whatever are now actually coming back. 3-4 people that all make $200k+ made a U-turn when they saw what actually going long term in their low cost of living area would look like.
It should keep running and be an OK area going forward, if you can bite the bullet on the entry price.
I went over to southeast asia and don't plan to bounce back so quickly. If I were to come back to USA, denver would be on the list, but so would Hawaii now that I know I enjoy warm/tropical
Denver COL is still cheaper than almost any state that isn't "great plains" (yes I realize Denver is on the edge of the plains) or deep south. It costs the same to live in Phoenix now, despite a massive decrease in quality of life from living there.
>Denver COL is still cheaper than almost any state that isn't "great plains" (yes I realize Denver is on the edge of the plains) or deep south.
It's true. I just remember when I moved to Denver in 2018 and had an awesome apartment for $1700/month that is now probably $2000-2100/month and with worse perks.
It's going through some growing pains. Over 2018-2021, the rent was always going up, homeless acitivty was only going up, and now property crime spiked in similar ways to the west coast.
The summer 2020 chimp out was only a couple days/weeks vs months like the west coast tho.
I can at least say Denver apartment quality mogs Seattle. Everything from the finishings to the amenties and appliances are better.
As for activities, Denver is like white Fantasia. volleyball for days. ride your bicycle all over. hike and smoke weed
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>white Fantasia
I had a good laugh.
People I know keep moving from LA to Denver and talking about how much friendlier people are and how much cleaner and safer and more enjoyable the place is... And then bitching that it's not very diverse. I don't see how they can't make the connection.
>I went over to southeast asia and don't plan to bounce back so quickly.
Where and how is that? I'd imagine it'd be close to a hard reset save for cash and whatever qualifications that are on hand. I couldn't imagine settling down so far from friends and family, nor what I'd do if things boil over between China and Taiwan.
>Where and how is that? I'd imagine it'd be close to a hard reset save for cash and whatever qualifications that are on hand. I couldn't imagine settling down so far from friends and family, nor what I'd do if things boil over between China and Taiwan.
I was raised in a narcissitic family system, so I don't have a ton of warm/close family ties. You'll find a lot of expats out here also lack a nice family experience. It makes us less tied down.
My relationship also ended in 2019.
I do miss a few friends, but I'm used to things blowing up.
e.g. all my Ohio friends left ohio and started new lives, then almost all my university friends also spread out.
i'm young enough that I can make new friends out here in SEA, although I think I want to switch to a spot more on the expat/digital nomad "circuit", just so I can mix in more people from the same underlying culture. I'm in philippines right now, but very few spots in philippines have young expats in numbers. I love vietnam and like thailand. TL;DR: you can make new friends and I don't really have a valuable family.
I don't think about China/Taiwan at all.
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That's very interesting to know. I'm a grad student with living plans to sort out in the next few years, so I've been curious in regards to what people have to say about other places. Thanks for sharing, I hope things are turning out well for you.
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>My relationship also ended in 2019.
Same, we were together end of high school in 2017 and shit ended in college in 2019. Then the Pandemic hit.
Has dating gotten harder since 2019? I have not had a relationship since then. Part of me wants to blame Covid, part of me wants to blame women getting worse in the world in general, but is it possibly the fact that I’m 24 now and female standards are just sky-high by my age anyway?
There is nothing on this entire website anymore. Not a single good thread on all of sighsee. It's all the same low hanging fruit everywhere. It's all boring. It's all nothing. Why the fuck are any of us still here?
So I'm watching this YouTube video right now which says that this place called Bluefield, WV is the poorest place in America.
But even then it doesn't look that poor or impoverished, just abandoned. You Americans don't know how good you have it.
If they really are as retarded as you say they are, then why doesn't someone smart and charismatic from the city come and rule over them? You know, establish a cult or something.
3rd world has normal humans that are just in a bad situation.
Appalachia is just a wasteland of methed out retards. The type that you can see the confusion on their faces when you try to speak to them. They've got a lifetime of heavy metal poisoning and malnutrition without even accounting for the hard drug use that began at age 10.
And "poor" is one thing, but much of appalachia looks like a warzone. Like bombs just go off everywhere type shit. The poorest place may not the be ugliest. Go there yourself and see the absolute hopelessness of the situation. You literally would have to dilute the bloodlines of these people to even make a dent in the problem. It will take 1000 years.
The video in question: https://youtu.be/p3O6bKdPLbw
3rd world has normal humans that are just in a bad situation.
Appalachia is just a wasteland of methed out retards. The type that you can see the confusion on their faces when you try to speak to them. They've got a lifetime of heavy metal poisoning and malnutrition without even accounting for the hard drug use that began at age 10.
And "poor" is one thing, but much of appalachia looks like a warzone. Like bombs just go off everywhere type shit. The poorest place may not the be ugliest. Go there yourself and see the absolute hopelessness of the situation. You literally would have to dilute the bloodlines of these people to even make a dent in the problem. It will take 1000 years.
Hmm I see. That is true for many other parts of the world as well, but mainly in smaller sections of population. Also, the infrastructure of the places visited seems pretty good in the video. I guess poverty takes a different form in first world countries.
They have decent housing, working plumbing and heating, 24/7 electricity and water, internet access and above-average food sources. Public infrastructure like roads seem to be in decent condition too.
Life may not be very connected or comfortable and there is rampant drug use, but these things are nowhere near poverty. Like I said, the idea of poverty is very different in first world countries, which I feel is closer to boredom and abandonment.
My family lives in Montgomery County, but I was born and raised in coal country and went to Penn State in farm country. I don’t know if I want to spend a few years in flyover Pittsburgh or urbanite Philadelphia. Pittsburgh definitely has less but there are fewer super predators prowling around and it’s a lot cheaper.
If you come from money I'd say Montgomery County would be fine. There's a bunch of cute places there and Chester county. Pittsburgh is fine for a trip or to go to college at but not live the rest of your live there honestly
I don’t come from money. I just spent some time in Chester County. It was cool, if you’re filthy rich and can buy one of those giant estates outside of West Chester. Otherwise, I thought it was sort of fake and gay and way too expensive for what it is. Wherever I land, I’ll probably be living in only sporadically for a few years through my thirties.
>Born/Raised in MI >Moved to UT when I was 13 >Stayed for 15 years >moving back home next week
It seems like it does have some interesting outdoorsy stuff, stable jobs, and nearly not as cutthroat as SLC's housing market is. I've been paying $2300/month for a 2bd1ba duplex with my roomate and we're pretty glad to be out of it. Get closer to family, find a decent job, save $$$, and move west again or at least take baller-ass vacations
And also fuck the culture out here. Biking/Skiing/Hiking is fun but its all trustafarians or mormons, no in between, and the housing offerings are pure trash and the markets are laughably predatory for what people are asking for. Property managers outright ask tenants to fix their homes up for them without any sort of compensation and its retarded.
And also fuck the culture out here. Biking/Skiing/Hiking is fun but its all trustafarians or mormons, no in between, and the housing offerings are pure trash and the markets are laughably predatory for what people are asking for. Property managers outright ask tenants to fix their homes up for them without any sort of compensation and its retarded.
I'm leaving. It's just too much. The economic inequality and misery indices are simply just too fucking high...I cannot tolerate anymore. I'm in Ohio and I have gotta say that being educated and traveled and acculturated are a net negative here. There are days I wish I had never gone to college or graduate school. There's nothing left...I am planning on leaving in 15 months.
>The economic inequality and misery indices are simply just too fucking high
In Ohio or in USA?
Where are you going?
I'm a native Ohioan (kent, ohio) in SEA now.
>transfer planes at O'Hare
You are insane. The place has the best food, drink, architecture, and parks of any city in the US. Crime? Yes. But the city has turned the corner for the better. Cops everywhere now.
Always funny to see East Coast tools and Cali bisexuals COPE in Chicago because everyone told them their city was "the best."
lmao, to anons here, I have a house on the eastern edge of Iowa and it's soooo boring here, God I wish I loved the hustle and bustle of the Chicago metro but I'm stuck here. I'd suggest ignore this guy, live in Naperville, or better yet, buy a house in NY, NJ, MD, or California they are the pinnacle of the country.
>nah that shits a fly through city... only reason I touch that shithole is to transfer planes at O'Hare
This.
Chicago fucking sucks. Winters are long and brutal. Crime is bad. You might live in fear while you're there. "Midwestern nice" doesn't apply. The job market sucks, taxes are horrible. Oh and more people are moving out of the state than anywhere else I know. I wouldn't want to be there at all...
I'm in Ohio and my entire social group is here but my family and I are all getting EU passports through ancestry at the end of the year. Two of them are moving to Europe right away.
I have a decent job but I'm looking for a new one since there's no growth and I don't have much at all in savings. How stupid would it be for me to try and move to Europe? Or should I just move to a different state, get a new job, and just travel more frequently?
I haven't gone on a trip in too long and as much as I like living near cities mine is shit
Because living in Chicago is kind of a life hack if you're in a professional career. I have a way less prestigious job and lower pay than my friends in NYC and California but the lifestyle I'm able to afford here is really comfy if you like city living.
I'm not even 30 and I have a paid off apartment near the red-line and walking distance to the beach. There just aren't many citys worth living in that aren't stupid expensive yet.
And long term trends look positive. Poor people are fleeing in droves and rich people are pouring in. It's crazy how bullish all of the real estate developers are being. West Loop alone is like you built an entire midsized city adjacaent to the legacy core city.
Cheap living, decent pay and good salaries. People tell me the taxes are high? But my coworkers property taxes in Texas are 4X what I pay here in Chicago.
>And long term trends look positive. Poor people are fleeing in droves and rich people are pouring in. It's crazy how bullish all of the real estate developers are being. West Loop alone is like you built an entire midsized city adjacaent to the legacy core city.
Yup this exactly. High end shit is booming, and for reasonable prices. The West Loop neighborhood may be the best the entire country right now. Fucking bewildering array of affordable options.
Chicago is so nice but how do you handle the winter? I'm from a similar city with weather just as bad and it makes me miserable for 8 months of the year
-Quiet, its really quiet. I'm from a non-flyover state, but moved to Kansas and loved it.
-Massively lower COL because all the young millennials and gen z'ers are fleeing the state.
-That combined with how much money I make at the point I'm at in my career means I save a FUCK load of money. Most of my friends back home, even if they have decent salaries are still getting raked over the coals and barely surviving. Meanwhile, I've got nearly $60k in a savings account, and another $30k tied up in a 401k and I'm only 30.
That combined with my unlimited PTO means I can travel anywhere I want, whenever I want for however long I want.
Biding my time until I can move to Thailand and impregnate my gf and be happy.
If you know Thai, you can get an apartment for 50 dollars a month.
I have a good job and can probably work remote. I just have to figure out how to relocate my entire life over there.
Literally me
If you say you'll be happy being there with your girlfren, this nothing to figure out. Stop being a moron. You deserve happiness.
The SEA obsession on sighsee is unreal. You "people" need some serious help. Ugly 4ft brown yellowish slant eyed SEA women aren't help
>The SEA obsession on sighsee is unreal. You "people" need some serious help. Ugly 4ft brown yellowish slant eyed SEA women aren't help
what do you got?
"help" isn't very helpful
I'm not leaving SEA until there's a good solution
What do you even do there? Name at least 5 non-sick pervert things that you enjoy SEA for.
>What do you even do there? Name at least 5 non-sick pervert things that you enjoy SEA for.
1. Surfing ($900/month for a 2bd1ba a 3min walk to the waves). Other ocean acivities available as well
2. Overall food scene: whether it's presence of Hispanicy food, the food cost, or the delivery cost (like $1 vs $10+).
3. It's a base for travel to east asia. For example,, I can get to japan in 4.5hr instead of 18-26hr, which makes it possible to do a weekend or 1 week trip instead of needing it to be a huge event
4. Motorcycle culture. More people ride; repairs/maintenance/mods are cheaper too
5. For the last part I'll go with a bunch of 'little' things that are hard to find in tandem, at least for me: almost no nigs, no winter, decent housing costs <$1500/month, and you can find #walkable areas if you value that. I can also get a (live-in) assistant for $200-400/month.
Van life is superior to this I would rather be maimed and tortured by terrorists than pay rent of any kind
Ok? Way to derail the whole discussion with your opinion on what is superior. I'm not a poorfag, so rent isn't an issue
I much prefer having a place to living in a vehicle
Sounds fucking nice anon. What country? I'm assuming places near the beach that cheap that actually allow foreigners to rent without hassle would either be Thailand or the Philippines
Is it? Sounds like it’s lower cost of living than the flyover states but with actual shit to do.
Moved to one for work. I have a plan to gtfo soon but it might have to involve breaking up with my gf and that's weighing heavily on me
Illinois can’t be a flyover state it’s United’s HQ and hub
So is Statefarm which is located in Bloomington-Normal. Besides Shitcago why else would anyone visit Illinois? Property taxes are skyhigh and the weather is terrible there 9 months out of the year. Crime is terrible in the inner cities. Pot holes and shit maintained roads everywhere. Gang violence has spread to modest rural communities throughout central and southern Illinois. Families there are moving out in droves. Illinois was great ten/twenty years ago now it’s really gone to shit. Born and raised in central Illinois. Everyone I know young and old has moved the fuck out. It’s turning into moronville. The state is going to shit on so many levels. So happy I said goodbye last year.
I think you missed the joke anon.
Born in Decatur in early 80s.
One day I'll spend a summer bumming around the UP camping on beaches... one day...
All of my friends and my parents are here. So everyone I care about. As much as I hate the Midwest, I don't love the feeling of leaving them all to start again. I worked so hard and for so long to find people I care about that also care about me. I can't just leave.
for the cost difference of housing alone between wisconsin and oregon I can afford to travel internationally for two months a year, build my own RV14 and own my own home instead of rent. I would be able to afford doing one of those three things on the west coast in the same high-trust stable 87% white community that I have here in wisconsin. and fwiw outside of madison they crack the fuck down here, way more so than oregon.
im not delusional enough to believe this is absolutely ideal, but I am happy with the choice I've made.
I can’t afford to escape yet
What's actually flyover? Aren't places like East Oregon and New Mexico counted since they're not along the coast and they have next to no opportunity? Is Mississippi and West Virginia not flyover? It seems like it's been referred to literally anything that isn't LA or NYC
New Mexico is flyover central. Dunno if you’ve been, but I drove up from Albuquerque through Santa Fe, into Colorado. There is quite literally nothing there. You can see for miles and miles. It’s actually a cool part of the world to see.
Anyways, pretty much anywhere that doesn’t have some sort of commercial hub or big city would be considered flyover. Colorado = not flyover. West Virginia = flyover. The definition is ambiguous though, and it can be taken to include a bunch of different states. Coasties excepted.
Actually, West Virginia is literally the most flown-over state in the country.
West Virginia is also the whitest too. Hmmm
I live in Kansas. I don't want to leave. Weather is liveable year round, very low COL, neighborly, great laws, friendly culture, low number of woke retards and nogs, plenty of work to go around. I have a 2500 sq foot house in the suburbs that wouldn't get me a fucking dilapidated shack in the hood for what I pay for my mortgage. I'm married to a beautiful white woman, and raising my children in a nearly all white community with strong family values.
Californians fuck off and sleep in the bed you made
At least you are bought into your housing market, but the sad fact is the coastals have the money from their make believe fake economy which got them rich but in the process fucked up our country. They're coming.
Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Oregon, Colorado and Utah are all dead. Idaho's fate is sealed. Montana and Wyoming are holding on OK, mainly due to climate, but their position isn't great. The next frontier for liberals fleeing their creation is the middle west, and they've already got footholds scattered all over.
You will be Oregonified
You will have fentanyl addicts impervious to the law all over town
Your children will have sex changes and if you even speak in opposiiton you will go to jail
Your neighborhood will be "ungentrified" so the low wage immigrants who take your jobs can have an appropriate ghetto to live in
You will be taxed more to fund reparations, which have already started in the midwest.
Its unironically over.
Because if you live in a good neighborhood in Chicago, it's a great city
>inb4 alarmist pussies whining about "muh crime"
Keeps it affordable here
No I will not tell you which neighborhoods are comfy
You are a big fucking gay
Flyovercels are subhumans with no culture
Never mistake suburbanites for real humans, you expose yourself as having no culture when you do this.
Here's your culture anon
Have a conversation with any person in that picture you may feel you spoke to an angel.
>Never mistake suburbanites for real humans, you expose yourself as having no culture when you do this
It's scary going to suburbs surrounding my Canadian city. The people there are so fat, and everyone gives off uncanny feelings. Like you just know they moved out there as soon as they got married. The men are fat, the women are mostly overweight and excessively obsessive about their grass and who parking in front of their house when they own a garage and driveway.
This photo is like just like the suburbs, so I'm confused.
This image, endlessly reposted by ignorant Eurofags, does not depict an American town; this is a rest stop on an interstate highway in Anywhere, USA. People only stop here to fuel up, grab food at a drive-thru, and stay one night in a motel if it is getting late. Nobody lives here.
Small rural towns are just like that. Massive road the runs through it and chain restaurants. Then you drive 40 minutes to a Walmart because small towns don't have mom and pop shops anymore
I hate to admit it, but this looks exactly like a road not far from my house
There are also suburban commercial streets that aren't so dissimilar, but you're right that the image is of an interstate exit and those are the worst of it.
But, all things considered, I'd rather live in a suburb or the country where I don't hear neighbors 24/7, have my own space if I need it, but shop on those kinds of streets. Even the "mid" density urban stuff people always talk about seems super claustrophobic to me.
I’m an American and idk what you’re talking about. Yeah you’ve got some nice quaint New England towns and maybe some cool stuff in the desert to the west, but most suburban areas consist of absolutely soulless strip malls.
Who cares what eurofags think. Not our job to enlighten them. It's funny how they invariably choose to visit cities when they come here, like they are looking for something similar to where they came from.
Look at how many eurofags go to Little Italy in NYC. Like you don't have fucking Italian food in Europe? It's probably better than in NYC anyway, every single restaurant in Little Italy is owned by albanians. Vegas is apparently another hotspot for eurotrash.
Feels great to be a Kentuckian, the only people coming here are people from Michigan and they're just comical to have around because of their funny accents and demeanor.
To poor simpletons with no real world experience like you I'm sure
because i can buy land cheap and its very white compared to most of the country.
Just moved back to Ohio. Glad to back home in the land of Kings.
Ohio sucks retard
stop pretending it’s nice here
Home is home. Suck my balls. O-H
>Just moved back to Ohio. Glad to back home in the land of Kings.
which part of Ohio?
If I were to return to Ohio, I would consider living in Kent. Comfy college town, but I'd be open to suggestions
I currently live in southeast asia though, so probably not going back
Prob around Dayton, it’s on the up and my sister said they have a program by the state to send your kids to private schools because the public are so bad (due to socio-economic troubled youths)
Never thought i'd hear dayton is having a positive moment
>Columbus is easily the nicest part of Ohio.
interesting.
cleveland has live moronball games and idk if columbus would have that cozy/comfy feel that Kent does, but I've heard it's nice. my own experience in columbus is very limited
Cleveland is a shithole don't come here
>t. east cleveland resident
For me, the Appalachian region of Ohio is the only good part. Damn fuck did I hate those family drives from Kentucky to Michigan. But you go East of Cincinatti and it feels like home.
All in all, crossing the Ohio river is generally a bad idea for any Kentuckian. The midwest is civilization, and it feels like enemy territory. Rules exist in your lands. It's awful.
Columbus is easily the nicest part of Ohio.
Columbusfag here, can confirm.
I love Michigan.
Totally agreed. Not from Michigan, but the west side of the state is among the most underrated in the Us. Beautiful, great people, incredible food.
From west Michigan and agree. The only thing we don't have are mountains.
It’s all the same, dude. Flyovers at least have a bit less violent crime and are less expensive.
>It’s all the same, dude. Flyovers at least have a bit less violent crime and are less expensive.
A town of 30,000-35,000 or so that is 9x% white has WAY less crime. I couldn't believe growing up have neurotic my senpai was about locking our door. nothing ever happened, but they'd watch ((news)) and get scared easily
i'm not against locking doors, but there's no need to be hypervigilant about it in suburban white ohio
All you’re describing is a disparity in size and population and not a disparity between Flyover vs Coastal states? Do you not think that small 90% white towns in New Jersey have low crime? They do.
>New Jersey isnt flyover material
kek
Seeing as New Jersey has one of the busiest international airports in the nation, it hardly qualifies as "flyover", regardless of how undesirable the state may be.
>t. former New Joiseyan
when I lived there, I'd hear all the complaints about how most people never see the real NJ, just the stretch from Newark Airport to NYC.
It's a "flyover state" by the complaints of its own residents.
>but muh pine barrens
>but muh shore
When you ask people not in NY or Philadelphia about the Jersey shore, most people think of the TV show rather than the location. Also every urban area is a shithole in NJ, the suburban areas and the rural areas are quite decent with all that yuppie money flowing out so it's not a bad spot if you are okay with the high COL.
>T. former NJ resident
Rampant drug use in peaceful white suburbs makes it common sense to lock your house and car these days, regardless of where you live. Heroin/pill/fent users are rarely violent, but one should not give them opportunities for theft.
Flyovers are literally cultureless
Delusional people paying 4,000 for rent or living in a shoebox will argue with you but this is the truth. The internet has flattened culture to where everyplace is the same and it's not going back. The winning play is to live somewhere cheap and near nature.
If you're single, it's not the same. You'll be exposed to a better dating pool in a larger city. Other than that, I agree.
Ever been to a church in rural America? Flooded with good women that are very glad to see a young man attending.
Cities are a meme. That's how you find fast and loose narcissists.
Good women who are all over 55, kek. Younger religious women are usually married with kids.
there are about a dozen young women (25 or younger) at mass every sunday. my gf talks to them all the time, they are all looking for decent men. I try and just act stupid while I daydream about railing them.
in fact most of mass is me dialouging with the lord about why he made men this way and the grueling temptation he puts before us. literally in his own house of worship he pulls this stunt. on everything else he and I have a pretty solid understanding but on this I just don't see the point he is trying to make.
tl;dr anon its a goldmine for a young guy looking to settle down. you just gotta have a good job and be somewhat put together physically.
>mass
I've attended hundreds of rural churches in my travels, every one of them Protestant. Only the big, modern surburban churches had lots of young people. The rural churches were nearly all old people and families. The Catholic situation may be different, but Catholicism is not too common in rural America outside the Northeast.
Catholic mass in the northeast will be full of young people still. Many churches are closing so people are consolidating though.
My church is in rural kentucky and its baptist, tons of young people so many it makes me wonder if christianity is on the upswing again
It is very common in suburban Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. But most younger people (born in 80s or later) don't attend mass regularly as adults.
>t. dated catholic girl
>The Catholic situation may be different
In broad strokes, it's not.
t. cradle Catholic
I want to believe that you are not lying, but like the other anon said, all the Catholic masses I've been to in "rural/non-city" locations have rarely if ever had "young" people en masse. We are not going to dox you on an anonymous coooming board, what about your location or demographics is unique where you have young normal people actively going to mass and participating in the community (as you suggest since your GF is friends with them).
>what about your location or demographics is unique where you have young normal people actively going to mass and participating in the community
Latino or wop background.
this is in a mountain west resort town. the congregation in general is about a hundred or so people who regularly swing by.
Idiot, 18 year old virgin pussy all over the place at my church
>Idiot, 18 year old virgin pussy all over the place at my church
which town or at least county/state?
Kentucky, oh you better believe we keep em dumb here
Im moving back in a few das. Flying into a flyover state heh nothin' personell kid
In all seriousness though i got a good job offer and am getting back with the girl i love. Im a peasant at heart so i love the small town shit
>In all seriousness though i got a good job offer and am getting back with the girl i love. Im a peasant at heart so i love the small town shit
Good on you for knowing what is enough for you and being content! Being in love is > any hustle and bustle. few combine both successfully
Same actually. Moving back from Florida. Glad to be heading back to more temperate seasonal weather where regular downpours occur and hills exist. I love how everything is within 5-10 minutes driving distance. The Midwest aint all bad. Just depends on what you like. There's a lot of cozy areas. Lived in a small university town most of my life so I like that small town shit as well.
im not paying to relocate when all my family and friends are in minnesota. i can crash at my faimlys house in-between trips
1 crazy fact about rural life that Californians dont know!
With the exceptional of the teeth, pigs will eat an ENTIRE human corpse, including the bones!
If you are disposing of an out-of-towner, make sure you pull his teeth out before you feed the body to the hogs! Each pig will eat 10lbs of a corpse a day, so make sure to do your math!
As tempting as it is, don't save the teeth as a trophy. Make sure you grind them down into dust and dispose of the remains well away from your property!
>flyover state
>great lake state
pick one
Small lakes in Michigan fucking rule.
>Why are you in still a flyover state anon?
Here are a few reasons I moved back to Iowa:
You can make good money relative to the cost of living. No traffic, suburb of a city of 150k, good golf courses, good schools, great place to raise a family. Nobody has asked me for a dollar at a gas station in years.
Cons:
Blacks are migrating from CHI, STL, MSP and these youngsters like to fire off the blicky.
Cold as fuck Dec-March
>Here are a few reasons I moved back to Iowa:
Would anyone have the ability to compare and contrast Iowa and Ohio?
I was born in Ohio and really grew up in Ohio, but briefly lived in Iowa for a couple years prior to kindergarten (it's where my 2 siblings were born)
I've since driven through Davenport and it seems comfy...
it even had good asian massage parlors due to all the trucking that runs through
If I were to return to midwest life, should I go Ohio hometown or go Iowa?
Texas here. I would rather live in a middle flyover state than a gay blue state on the coasts.
With all this talk about how terrible certain states are, which states are unironically the best to move to right now?
Colorado
I've heard it's a bit late to jump into Colorado now. Is this true?
>I've heard it's a bit late to jump into Colorado now. Is this true?
If you look at the price history of houses in Denver, you're gonna feel late. Just know that everyone else under 40 feels the same way
It's like a lot of the desirable parts of USA that have non-remote jobs worth a damn: boomers got into a 5bd4ba for $93k in 1984.
Then that boomer listed it for $1.5 million, but "at least" price was cut to $1.2 million + tip.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1615-Stuart-St-Denver-CO-80204/13315644_zpid/
That said, many of my Denver transplant friends that balked at the prices, moved back to kansas city/orlando/whatever are now actually coming back. 3-4 people that all make $200k+ made a U-turn when they saw what actually going long term in their low cost of living area would look like.
It should keep running and be an OK area going forward, if you can bite the bullet on the entry price.
I went over to southeast asia and don't plan to bounce back so quickly. If I were to come back to USA, denver would be on the list, but so would Hawaii now that I know I enjoy warm/tropical
Denver COL is still cheaper than almost any state that isn't "great plains" (yes I realize Denver is on the edge of the plains) or deep south. It costs the same to live in Phoenix now, despite a massive decrease in quality of life from living there.
>Denver COL is still cheaper than almost any state that isn't "great plains" (yes I realize Denver is on the edge of the plains) or deep south.
It's true. I just remember when I moved to Denver in 2018 and had an awesome apartment for $1700/month that is now probably $2000-2100/month and with worse perks.
It's going through some growing pains. Over 2018-2021, the rent was always going up, homeless acitivty was only going up, and now property crime spiked in similar ways to the west coast.
The summer 2020 chimp out was only a couple days/weeks vs months like the west coast tho.
I can at least say Denver apartment quality mogs Seattle. Everything from the finishings to the amenties and appliances are better.
As for activities, Denver is like white Fantasia. volleyball for days. ride your bicycle all over. hike and smoke weed
>white Fantasia
I had a good laugh.
People I know keep moving from LA to Denver and talking about how much friendlier people are and how much cleaner and safer and more enjoyable the place is... And then bitching that it's not very diverse. I don't see how they can't make the connection.
>I went over to southeast asia and don't plan to bounce back so quickly.
Where and how is that? I'd imagine it'd be close to a hard reset save for cash and whatever qualifications that are on hand. I couldn't imagine settling down so far from friends and family, nor what I'd do if things boil over between China and Taiwan.
>Where and how is that? I'd imagine it'd be close to a hard reset save for cash and whatever qualifications that are on hand. I couldn't imagine settling down so far from friends and family, nor what I'd do if things boil over between China and Taiwan.
I was raised in a narcissitic family system, so I don't have a ton of warm/close family ties. You'll find a lot of expats out here also lack a nice family experience. It makes us less tied down.
My relationship also ended in 2019.
I do miss a few friends, but I'm used to things blowing up.
e.g. all my Ohio friends left ohio and started new lives, then almost all my university friends also spread out.
i'm young enough that I can make new friends out here in SEA, although I think I want to switch to a spot more on the expat/digital nomad "circuit", just so I can mix in more people from the same underlying culture. I'm in philippines right now, but very few spots in philippines have young expats in numbers. I love vietnam and like thailand. TL;DR: you can make new friends and I don't really have a valuable family.
I don't think about China/Taiwan at all.
That's very interesting to know. I'm a grad student with living plans to sort out in the next few years, so I've been curious in regards to what people have to say about other places. Thanks for sharing, I hope things are turning out well for you.
>My relationship also ended in 2019.
Same, we were together end of high school in 2017 and shit ended in college in 2019. Then the Pandemic hit.
Has dating gotten harder since 2019? I have not had a relationship since then. Part of me wants to blame Covid, part of me wants to blame women getting worse in the world in general, but is it possibly the fact that I’m 24 now and female standards are just sky-high by my age anyway?
The only people who think flyover states are nice have zero world experience
I visit this irrelevant board and this is what I'm greeted with
this is what passes for trolling amongst you brainlets? Yeesh, up your game
There is nothing on this entire website anymore. Not a single good thread on all of sighsee. It's all the same low hanging fruit everywhere. It's all boring. It's all nothing. Why the fuck are any of us still here?
Because deep down, we know that anonymity is best.
So I'm watching this YouTube video right now which says that this place called Bluefield, WV is the poorest place in America.
But even then it doesn't look that poor or impoverished, just abandoned. You Americans don't know how good you have it.
t. third-worlder
go to west Virginia and be surrounded by retarded meth heads then kek
If they really are as retarded as you say they are, then why doesn't someone smart and charismatic from the city come and rule over them? You know, establish a cult or something.
>If they really are as retarded as you say they are
they are. mouthbreathers all of them. Addicted to drugs easily
3rd world has normal humans that are just in a bad situation.
Appalachia is just a wasteland of methed out retards. The type that you can see the confusion on their faces when you try to speak to them. They've got a lifetime of heavy metal poisoning and malnutrition without even accounting for the hard drug use that began at age 10.
And "poor" is one thing, but much of appalachia looks like a warzone. Like bombs just go off everywhere type shit. The poorest place may not the be ugliest. Go there yourself and see the absolute hopelessness of the situation. You literally would have to dilute the bloodlines of these people to even make a dent in the problem. It will take 1000 years.
The video in question: https://youtu.be/p3O6bKdPLbw
Hmm I see. That is true for many other parts of the world as well, but mainly in smaller sections of population. Also, the infrastructure of the places visited seems pretty good in the video. I guess poverty takes a different form in first world countries.
No pictures or videos can do justice here. See it for yourself. It's post-apocalytpic.
They have decent housing, working plumbing and heating, 24/7 electricity and water, internet access and above-average food sources. Public infrastructure like roads seem to be in decent condition too.
Life may not be very connected or comfortable and there is rampant drug use, but these things are nowhere near poverty. Like I said, the idea of poverty is very different in first world countries, which I feel is closer to boredom and abandonment.
You are wrong. You don't know. You live in the city. There are thousands of people with zero utilities at all whatsoever. You haven't seen shit.
Shut the fuck up chinese wumao turd.
What even is you point? Fucking retard
>ESL
opinion discarded
Is Pennsylvania a flyover? I’m torn between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
Yes but Philly is basically new jersey. You can go to the beach from Philly faster than driving across some cities
My family lives in Montgomery County, but I was born and raised in coal country and went to Penn State in farm country. I don’t know if I want to spend a few years in flyover Pittsburgh or urbanite Philadelphia. Pittsburgh definitely has less but there are fewer super predators prowling around and it’s a lot cheaper.
If you come from money I'd say Montgomery County would be fine. There's a bunch of cute places there and Chester county. Pittsburgh is fine for a trip or to go to college at but not live the rest of your live there honestly
I don’t come from money. I just spent some time in Chester County. It was cool, if you’re filthy rich and can buy one of those giant estates outside of West Chester. Otherwise, I thought it was sort of fake and gay and way too expensive for what it is. Wherever I land, I’ll probably be living in only sporadically for a few years through my thirties.
>Born/Raised in MI
>Moved to UT when I was 13
>Stayed for 15 years
>moving back home next week
It seems like it does have some interesting outdoorsy stuff, stable jobs, and nearly not as cutthroat as SLC's housing market is. I've been paying $2300/month for a 2bd1ba duplex with my roomate and we're pretty glad to be out of it. Get closer to family, find a decent job, save $$$, and move west again or at least take baller-ass vacations
And also fuck the culture out here. Biking/Skiing/Hiking is fun but its all trustafarians or mormons, no in between, and the housing offerings are pure trash and the markets are laughably predatory for what people are asking for. Property managers outright ask tenants to fix their homes up for them without any sort of compensation and its retarded.
Are you talking about Michigan or Utah?
I’m going to assume he’s talking about Utah, where he lives now, especially because he mentioned the Mormons.
Because it’s comfy
it's cheap here, I barely work and I can afford a nice apartment
I'm leaving. It's just too much. The economic inequality and misery indices are simply just too fucking high...I cannot tolerate anymore. I'm in Ohio and I have gotta say that being educated and traveled and acculturated are a net negative here. There are days I wish I had never gone to college or graduate school. There's nothing left...I am planning on leaving in 15 months.
>The economic inequality and misery indices are simply just too fucking high
In Ohio or in USA?
Where are you going?
I'm a native Ohioan (kent, ohio) in SEA now.
I live in North Carolina. A flyover paradise
Chicago is a "fly into" city, not a "flyover" city but go on
>Chicago is a "fly into" city
nah that shits a fly through city... only reason I touch that shithole is to transfer planes at O'Hare
Your loss
He's not wrong. Avoid much of the southside and westside and it's a kino city that offers everything you could ever want in a city
>transfer planes at O'Hare
You are insane. The place has the best food, drink, architecture, and parks of any city in the US. Crime? Yes. But the city has turned the corner for the better. Cops everywhere now.
Always funny to see East Coast tools and Cali bisexuals COPE in Chicago because everyone told them their city was "the best."
>Always funny to see East Coast tools and Cali bisexuals COPE in Chicago
I live in Iowa and we have a genuine hatred for Chicago. Enjoy your 625k condo in Naperville while telling people you're from the CHI
lmao, to anons here, I have a house on the eastern edge of Iowa and it's soooo boring here, God I wish I loved the hustle and bustle of the Chicago metro but I'm stuck here. I'd suggest ignore this guy, live in Naperville, or better yet, buy a house in NY, NJ, MD, or California they are the pinnacle of the country.
>nah that shits a fly through city... only reason I touch that shithole is to transfer planes at O'Hare
This.
Chicago fucking sucks. Winters are long and brutal. Crime is bad. You might live in fear while you're there. "Midwestern nice" doesn't apply. The job market sucks, taxes are horrible. Oh and more people are moving out of the state than anywhere else I know. I wouldn't want to be there at all...
lol lmao yes it's awful please stay away and continue to tell everyone else this too
My wife cucked me into coming here. It's cold as fuck and its not even cheap now.
I'm in Ohio and my entire social group is here but my family and I are all getting EU passports through ancestry at the end of the year. Two of them are moving to Europe right away.
I have a decent job but I'm looking for a new one since there's no growth and I don't have much at all in savings. How stupid would it be for me to try and move to Europe? Or should I just move to a different state, get a new job, and just travel more frequently?
I haven't gone on a trip in too long and as much as I like living near cities mine is shit
Because living in Chicago is kind of a life hack if you're in a professional career. I have a way less prestigious job and lower pay than my friends in NYC and California but the lifestyle I'm able to afford here is really comfy if you like city living.
I'm not even 30 and I have a paid off apartment near the red-line and walking distance to the beach. There just aren't many citys worth living in that aren't stupid expensive yet.
And long term trends look positive. Poor people are fleeing in droves and rich people are pouring in. It's crazy how bullish all of the real estate developers are being. West Loop alone is like you built an entire midsized city adjacaent to the legacy core city.
Cheap living, decent pay and good salaries. People tell me the taxes are high? But my coworkers property taxes in Texas are 4X what I pay here in Chicago.
>And long term trends look positive. Poor people are fleeing in droves and rich people are pouring in. It's crazy how bullish all of the real estate developers are being. West Loop alone is like you built an entire midsized city adjacaent to the legacy core city.
Yup this exactly. High end shit is booming, and for reasonable prices. The West Loop neighborhood may be the best the entire country right now. Fucking bewildering array of affordable options.
How affordable are we talking, anon? I'm coming from a memed out degenerated west coast city, for reference
Chicago is so nice but how do you handle the winter? I'm from a similar city with weather just as bad and it makes me miserable for 8 months of the year
-Quiet, its really quiet. I'm from a non-flyover state, but moved to Kansas and loved it.
-Massively lower COL because all the young millennials and gen z'ers are fleeing the state.
-That combined with how much money I make at the point I'm at in my career means I save a FUCK load of money. Most of my friends back home, even if they have decent salaries are still getting raked over the coals and barely surviving. Meanwhile, I've got nearly $60k in a savings account, and another $30k tied up in a 401k and I'm only 30.
That combined with my unlimited PTO means I can travel anywhere I want, whenever I want for however long I want.