Would you rather move and start a new life in Spain or the United States?

Would you rather move and start a new life in Spain or the United States?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    realistically usa
    fantasy spain

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean with that

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        i think moving to usa would be a better option for me, i speak the language(in most parts), easier for me to make friends, closer to my family - if i made decent money there are probably many comfy parts to stay

        spain i think would be cooler - in terms of tourism im more drawn to spain than usa, i'd have to learn spanish but it is difficult to get to a degree that you can have complex convos with people, you could still be chummy with people speaking broken spanish + broken english. maybe only make friends with the type of spanish person to be fluent in english or other expats.
        a lot of spain seems amazing from where ive been, but they have problems with good employment opportunities if not for you then for your children.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Expat
          Don't you mean immigrant?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            no i meant people that came from first world countries kind of expat would be the friend group you develop

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Don't you mean immigrant
            He means expat. Immigrant means you moved away from a shithole to a legitimate country and you want to stay for reasons of citizenship, money or having an anchor baby.

            Expat means you moved from a decent country to a shithole and you're just there to stay temporarily and fuck the natives. You were always going to go back home eventually because its a shithole.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              it doesnt necessarily have to be a shithole, you can move from a decent country to a slightly less or even more decent country if it means youll be spending less where you decide to relocate

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Expat means you moved from a decent country to a shithole and you're just there to stay temporarily and fuck the natives. You were always going to go back home eventually because it’s a shithole.
              LOL, not really. Where I live as an expat, surrounded by other expats, it mostly means that you moved for work or were moved by your job. Maybe temporarily, maybe more permanently, very often serially in the big white collar world (I know lots of people who have bounced around many international postings for new opportunities within the same company, or for similar jobs with competitors), but whether the place is a shithole or not has little to do with it. Expat professionals take jobs in shitholes because they get things like contracts that include housing and servants and a car and driver and paid trips “home” a couple of times a year while earning several times more than natives. They also get jobs in rich places with perks like high salaries and private school tuition subsidies for their kids. Fucking natives is rarely a factor either, since at the uppermost levels most corporate expats are moving their families with them.

              The distinction is pretty arbitrary, but in the big-biz world expat usually means something like this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only White people can be Expats and it makes non-Whites seethe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically this for me too. I am a full time software developer so moving to the USA would give me access to some ridiculous money and good employment opportunities. So I guess the plan would be live in the USA for a few years while I secure my good job and save money and then relocate to spain afterwards, it's a win win.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This but in reverse

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sad.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m from the USA and will probably live there again, but I’ve been living happily in Europe for years now; I would choose Spain if I didn’t have to take a huge pay cut. But salaries are really low there.

    All things being equal I would actually rather live in Portugal if I were going to Iberia. But I can see a lot of options for a happy life in Spain.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spaintars here. Ive never been in the usa bur from what I know about it I would stay here. Life is good, at least for me.

      I can anser questions if you have any

      Life is also cheaper.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Life is also cheaper.
        No question; I visit Spain frequently and really appreciate the moderate cost of living there. But I’m used to being pretty wealthy even though I have to spend a lot for some things; it would be hard to get used to having/earning much less even if I had to spend less. I would be looking at probably a 60% drop in my income.

        Totally bourgeois problem, I know, and embarrassing to admit to.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I would be looking at probably a 60% drop in my income
          Yeah, this is the problem with moving to Spain. No jobs even for the Spanish, many young people resort to moving to Germany, the UK, or even America to get ahead in life. But if you're capable of working a remote job and earning a US salary, it's heaven on earth.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But if you're capable of working a remote job and earning a US salary, it's heaven on earth.
            Yep, if I could live in Spain but keep my Swiss salary I would move there happily. A Spanish guy who works for my wife actually relocated with his family back to Madrid, and he flies back into Switzerland four days a week so he doesn’t have to go back to the Spanish pay scale with the company. It’s a better deal for him to rent a studio apartment in Switzerland (not cheap) and fly twice a week (on EasyJet, so this is presumably pretty cheap) than it would be for him to be officially based back at the Spanish office he was hired from.

            During the pandemic my wife’s department at her company officially went “location-agnostic” to allow people to work from wherever they wanted (her boss, for example, lives in NYC, and my wife has people based all over Europe reporting to her), so we thought for a minute about relocating to Portugal (we’re not Europeans, so it’s one of not many countries where it would be easy to get permanent residency if we were to abandon our Swiss permits), but when the company introduced the caveat that people had to be paid local salaries unless they were on site 4X/week we scrapped the idea.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >but when the company introduced the caveat that people had to be paid local salaries
              Fucking scum company.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Start your own company you commie scum no reason to overpay on unskilled labor

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You first.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Start your own company you commie scum no reason to overpay on unskilled labor
                The Spanish guy concerned is actually highly skilled labor; the local-salary thing is less a question of greed, although big business can always be assumed to be inherently greedy, than one of tax compliance while managing 100K+ people in 70 countries.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP, I’m guessing you’re looking at relocating from somewhere in Latin America. If so, Spain will probably be easier for you to get into legally, but depending on your line of work the pay will almost certainly be much better in the USA. Cost of living is usually higher, too, though.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    go to madrid

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the US you can get an IT job with little experience and no degree and within 3-4 years you are making $100,000 fully remote. I made $115k at 25yo a few years ago in DevOps. This is a complete impossibility in Spain.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where?
      If you are anywhere near Silicon Valley, 100K is nothing.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >living anywhere near Silicon Valley
        First of all, with full remote, you don’t have to.
        And Bay Area median household income is $116,005 in 2021. That’s… not that high. It’s the same for pretty much every suburb of DC and NYC too. And, not to mention, that’s where ALL the jobs are. So, no, you will not be finding a 6-figure DevOps job at an HVAC supply distributor in rural Indiana, but we all already knew that.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          In the US you can get an IT job with little experience and no degree and within 3-4 years you are making $100,000 fully remote. I made $115k at 25yo a few years ago in DevOps. This is a complete impossibility in Spain.

          I want to live that dream too mister pool

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do you get into this? do you need any sort of certifications?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You start full-time help desk and figure out how to move up. It's called Network Technician for 50k.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And that is 100% WFH?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is?

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    the us, and in fact I'll actually try to

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    spain is full of bums laying about outside of the cities in the south where tourists visit

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like the dude abides. based Spain

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not much difference between the two, except maybe bullfighting or some other trivial shit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one bullfights anymore.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bullfighting is alive and well in Spain.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Not much difference between the two, except maybe bullfighting or some other trivial shit.
      This leads me to wonder if you have ever been to either Spain or the United States.

      Culture, work life, cuisine, economy, and wages, among other things, are all quite different.

      Climate might not be too different depending on the parts of Spain and/or the States in question (Iberian terrain and climate are pretty similar to California in my experience), but that’s nearly it.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. Western country. They watch American movies, listen to American music, act like Americans, talk like Americans, albeit in Spanish. Spew the same types of political bullshit. Fast food and shopping malls everywhere.

        Mexico is a more different country than Spain to the US.

        As I said, you can talk bullfighting or other archaic practices they still have, and some economic differences, but modern Spain is basically just California with probably less Spanish speakers.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >modern Spain is basically just California with probably less Spanish speakers

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is absolutely not true at all. Spain is noticeably different from even Western Europe, it’s still feels distinctly Spanish and people are warmer more friendly and it feels more family oriented excluding Barcelona. Everyone everywhere consumes American media but Spain has a very low English proficiency despite being in the west. Spanish women aren’t that bad either and aren’t turbo cunts like Anglo bitches

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I bet you wrote this from one of those Starbucks in central Madrid with the barista with the ring in her nose and tattoos and wearing a Guns N Roses t-shirt. I remember her when I met a Spanish friend there for Spanish lessons and we talked about the Sopranos and Breaking Bad for hours and the upcoming LGBTQ parade. We met a week later at McDonald's for a burger and discussed our mutual hatred for Trump and similarities with the Franco regime. He wanted to move to Kentucky because he was into steel manufacturing and could make a lot higher salary there.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I was retired/have money saved, Spain. To work, USA.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spain is 9/10 IF you have money. 3/10 if you have to live on spanish wages. Have money.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      100% spot on I'm actually impressed

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      100% spot on I'm actually impressed

      Pretty much all relevant countries in the world (developed, not tiny, more than 5M inhabitants) are 9/10 if you have money and 2/10 if you don't. This comment is not smart or insightful at all.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except it's a lot easier to fall into the category of "having money" in Spain than anywhere else in the developed world. If you make anywhere north of $60k even in Madrid or Barcelona you can live like a king in Spain, meanwhile you'll be a complete peasant in NYC or LA, not to mention other cities that are even more expensive.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Already did move to Spain from the Nederlands. Life is pretty good here. Live 15 minutes walking away from the beach in a house with pool for only 210.000€.
    You can't get shit in Holland oar the us for that money.
    I do work 7 days a week for 6 months per year, but after that I just work 3 days a week, so every 6 months I have a bit of a burnout. It's now off season here so I'm just enjoying the my garden, driving around on my motorcycle and playing vidya.

    Went ones on vacation to the us and I just can't see myself living in that 3rd world country.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you understand that the united states is over 5,000km across right? where did you go?
      that's like saying "yea I went to Europe it was a shithole". the differences between states is huge. you likely went to some tourist trap shithole rather than a truly American city

      your country is the size of my state, and there's 49 more of them

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol. no. the correct correlation would be
        it's like saying you went to africa and its full of morons and is a shit hole.

        and weirdly america is like that too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >

          you understand that the united states is over 5,000km across right? where did you go?


          that's like saying "yea I went to Europe it was a shithole". the differences between states is huge. you likely went to some tourist trap shithole rather than a truly American city

          your country is the size of my state, and there's 49 more of them
          >lol. no. the correct correlation would be
          >it's like saying you went to africa and its full of morons and is a shit hole.
          >and weirdly america is like that too.

          No.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you understand that the united states is over 5,000km across right? where did you go?
          that's like saying "yea I went to Europe it was a shithole". the differences between states is huge. you likely went to some tourist trap shithole rather than a truly American city

          your country is the size of my state, and there's 49 more of them

          America is such a shithole it's unreal. Very few places aren't bad, the rest aren't livable.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            America is nice if you want to fuck off in rural places and have a small town for supplies, if you have enough money to live in a cozy suburb that isn't completely car reliant, enough money to enjoy nyc/la/chicago, or for road trips and great nature. Other than that America is soulless wasteland apart from select areas and making retarded amounts of money to travel around the world.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The US. There's a tonne of Spaniards in my city (London) and I hate them, they're ignorant and retarded lazy bastards. Also Spain is full of English people, and not the good kind, the rude and arrogant types. Fuck that

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like you would fit right in Spain.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The US. Spain is a horrible place full of lazy people, vagrants and corruption. don't ever go there not even on holiday.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Spain is a horrible place full of lazy people, vagrants and corruption.
      Meanwhile there are no lazy people, vagrants, or corruption in the US.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have mostly Hispanic blood, Spain would be a better choice. Both latin america and spain both share large amounts of cultural and religious(practicing or cultural); you would be able to assimilate better and locals would be more at ease with you than some British or Swedish retire or expat. As an Spanish speaking immigrant, you won't even have to worry about right wing parties such as Vox, since we prefer immigrants from Spanish speaking countries rather than northern europeans who aren't that culturally similar and won't assimilate.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    United States. I have talked with quite a few people who moved to the US and never looked back. Lots of success stories. Not much of a social net but they got further without it

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't do either. They have immigration laws.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    From the USA but currently living in Bilbao. Hoping to start working fully remote soon but still lock Goff my savings from 2 years in the Netherlands.
    Spain has an amazing lifestyle that is basically impossible in the USA

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      how is bilbao? On paper it looks like the comfiest spanish city but I wonder if it works out that way. Do you find people don't speak spanish in the wider basque area?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Very comfy. Been blessed with an exceptionally warm October and early November, but now it’s starting to get into the cool rainy season, which apparently continues well into the spring. But I’m from New England and it doesn’t even get below freezing here so I’m not worried.

        If you take the metro to the far ends, you’ll find more people speaking Euskara than Spanish, but you can manage with basic español still. Haven’t been to the proper rural villages yet but I’ve heard those are the real bastions of Euskara now.

        Casco Viejo (old town) is really nice for a walk and the countless cafes filled with pintxos are awesome. Highly recommend.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    But how's the cooming in Spain?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’m married so dunno, but the women are on average really good looking compared to mutts and they’re very very liberal, so I’d assume hooking up is easy

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spanish girls are only easy when they are outside of Spain.

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hows the Andalusia region? I was just there for a visit and I got a job offer there, but passed due to other circumstances. Only stayed in Sevilla, didn't get to go to Cadiz or Granada

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    US. Any climate you desire, all big companies reside there, HUGE wages, opportunity everywhere.

    If you're from the US you won in life.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good goy

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        shut the fuck up

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Please keep the autism to 4chan

        As a whole, USA with 330 million people, mass migration from 3rd world countries, and more still has the highest median disposable income after all living expenses (health, rent, etc.) in the world.

        It's the best place to get rich with good weather and fun. I don't give a fuck about my 0.0000000000001% chance of being shot if I walk into Detroit.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Please keep the autism to 4chan
          >As a whole, USA with 330 million people, mass migration from 3rd world countries, and more still has the highest median disposable income after all living expenses (health, rent, etc.) in the world.
          >It's the best place to get rich with good weather and fun. I don't give a fuck about my 0.0000000000001% chance of being shot if I walk into Detroit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          LOL you say that, until you get fucking capped for looking hispanic. Yeah that's right, the ghettos are strictly racially segregated. If you are white or look like a Mexican (All of the spanish speaking countries look the same to them), you're an easy target. ESPECIALLY if you don't look like you're from around there. I dare you to walk around alone at night

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I dare you to walk around alone at night
            I carry, so I'm never worried about morons. They should be worried about me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I dare you to walk around alone at night
            I never leave my house, why the fuck would I walk around alone at night

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You should do it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      USA forever.

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    United States. While the overall nation is headed to collapse, due to the enduring power of states' rights there is a huge diversity of mini-cultures that you can tailor and choose to your interests, and many of which will weather any possible collapse. I wouldn't mind living in Tennessee, or Louisana working on oil rigs, or in cozy small-town New England. Failing that Idaho is still a wildman's paradise, or Montana for the views, or Wisconsin for the German chicks.

    Meanwhile Spain:
    > basically monoculture
    > infested with socialism and unproductivity
    > low wages
    > rapidly growing Muslim population
    > non-existent Christian population and corresponding embrace of degenerate social paths like homosexual sodomy and abortion
    > barely white, blue eyes only exist in Galicia and Asturias
    > have to constantly cope with the fact that Spain was powerful and prosperous under Franco and it's been a downhill ever since (same for Portugal and Salazar)
    oh and I also forgot
    > active Catalonian secessionist movement, and Basque unrest, which culiminates in instability every so often

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > basically monoculture
      Retard, Spain is an amalgamation of different historical nations. There’s way more “mini-cultures” in there than in the whole USA

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >

        United States. While the overall nation is headed to collapse, due to the enduring power of states' rights there is a huge diversity of mini-cultures that you can tailor and choose to your interests, and many of which will weather any possible collapse. I wouldn't mind living in Tennessee, or Louisana working on oil rigs, or in cozy small-town New England. Failing that Idaho is still a wildman's paradise, or Montana for the views, or Wisconsin for the German chicks.

        Meanwhile Spain:
        > basically monoculture
        > infested with socialism and unproductivity
        > low wages
        > rapidly growing Muslim population
        > non-existent Christian population and corresponding embrace of degenerate social paths like homosexual sodomy and abortion
        > barely white, blue eyes only exist in Galicia and Asturias
        > have to constantly cope with the fact that Spain was powerful and prosperous under Franco and it's been a downhill ever since (same for Portugal and Salazar)
        oh and I also forgot
        > active Catalonian secessionist movement, and Basque unrest, which culiminates in instability every so often
        >> basically monoculture
        >Retard, Spain is an amalgamation of different historical nations. There’s way more “mini-cultures” in there than in the whole USA

        Imberbe--No.

        Plus more people speak Spanish, Catalan, Basque, and Galician in US than in Spain.

        Spain is not a monoculture and
        has many lovely aspects, true.

        it was once properly called "The Spains."

        It needs to oust the socialists and
        their Islamo-fascist allies, though.

        Picrel.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If this is a troll post, good job
      >Wisconsin for the German chicks.
      Hope you like them plump

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't care, they are still White, and you can make them exercise too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      monoculture
      You're actually fucking retarded if you genuinely believe this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >US diverse
      >Spain monoculture
      Ah you're one of those people that talks with authority but knows less than nothing about anything. Based

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >diversity is good
      >but spanish is bad because there's few people with blue eyes

      nice trollpost

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >trollpost

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but spanish is bad because there's few people with blue eyes
        Yes.
        Problem, brownoid?

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give it to me straight spainbros...
    Can I fuck 15 year old chicas legally?
    Is this even practical or do i have to be some gigachad?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The legal age is 16, and lower class chicks are really easy to fuck. Middle class ones too, if you have some money. They love foreigners.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        white foreigners or any kind with money?

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    viva el rey, viva españa

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spain if I want to live a good life.
    US if I want to make money.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Currently trying to escape USI and go to spain

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who would rather live in garden gnomesa if they have a us income is absolutely coping

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most Europeans desperately wish to be American. Europeans all learn American English, watch American TV and Movies, listen to American music, they talk about Biden and Drumpf as they were the president of their own country, they fantasize about living in NYC or L.A. If there was open border immigration between Europe and the US, Europe would empty overnight while no one would move to Europe because it's a shithole.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no one would move to Europe because it's a shithole.

      If all of the European's left I'd post up in Switzerland instead of this gloomy midwest shithole im stuck in.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you in prison?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sort of feels like it.. I took over a family business that would take me years to get out from under and have two kids in school.

          On a positive note ill be retired by 52 years old while you wagies are staying in hostels with your laptops on zoom meetings with your employers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Apart from listening to American music and watching the occasional American movie, none of that is true lmao

      >t. Nebraskan in Flanders

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Nebraskan in Flanders
        What are you doing there?

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I have resources, Spain, if I don't have resources, USA

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    GO TO USA WE ARE SICK OF LATINS IN SPAIN

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Says who?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't know.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    italy 2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Italy is far worse of a shithole than Spain.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spain 200%. The US is horrible to live in.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would live in Spain if Portugal wasn't next to it.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europe sucks for living. It's poor and hyperexpensive. At least in the USA you can make good money and fuck off to the boonies.
    How are you going to live in Spain when you have to compete with a massive unemployment rate for 30k/yr jobs?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How are you going to live in Spain when you have to compete with a massive unemployment rate for 30k/yr jobs?
      Not everything in life is about money. American life is inferior in nearly every other way. Living in Spain on an American salary is literally how you escape the matrix.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is life better in Spain?
        Europe is just a worse, poorer version of the USA with no real freedom or space.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Europe sucks for living.
      Where in Europe did you live to lead you to this conclusion?
      >It's poor
      Not where I live, it isn’t.
      >and hyperexpensive.
      Not where I vacation, it isn’t. COL in Southern Europe is lower than in developed parts of the US; in most of Northern Europe it’s closer to even. Only a few countries are noticeably more expensive than the States, and those most often have either higher salaries and/or copious gibs.

      But you don’t have to like Europe. Please feel free to stay home.

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