>You're not allowed to work on a tourist visa
FUCK. I was going to work in Japan and SK for a few weeks. I'm a software engineer for a big tech corp. I'm going for 2 months so I can't possibly take all that time off. Am I fucked?
>You're not allowed to work on a tourist visa
I'm American if it matters
Just work online? Working online is the best thing you can do in life
>Tax money doesn't go towards israelites, blacks and Israel
>Your pay check goes towards America's enemies
>Higher standard of living due to lower cost of living
>Less obese women
>Less feminism
>just get a new, less paying job
No
They approved it, but couched that it's MY responsibility to make sure my visa situation is settled. I checked my company's internal guidelines, and it says I am NOT allowed to conduct day-to-day work unless I have a business visa.
As for Japan, they bar it explicitly:
"U.S. citizens entering either visa free or with a tourist visa are not allowed to work in Japan.
Persons found working illegally are subject to arrest and deportation.
Persons believed to be entering Japan without a working visa but who intend to work here can be denied entry into Japan. This means that you will not exit the airport and will be required to return directly to the U.S."
https://jp.usembassy.gov/services/visas-japan-u-s-citizens/
So I think in conclusion, if my company asks (which they won't) I'll have to tell them I have a business visa. If Japan asks me, I'll tell them I'm not working in Japan. That's what I surmise from this.
Autists are funny. Your forehead furrows as you try to understand why people laugh at you when you think you're just following the rules. You get exasperated to hear advice that doesn't match the legalese you painstakingly researched. And in the end, you miss out on opportunities normal people breezily participate in and try to reassure yourself that you did the right thing.
Attention to detail and making sure I always have a story is why I almost certainly make more money than you.
>Company sees on IP logs that I'm working from abroad. Doing this without a visa is forbidden for tax and compliance reasons, so I'm prompted to provide proof of visa
>Company hand-waves "yeah sure, you can work from abroad, just make sure your visa is straight" and never bothers to check beyond this
There is NO intuitive way to know which of these practices is followed without researching and asking around. I'm not worried about Japan and SK; the governments would never know. But I am worried about losing my job. You always need to know whether you're breaking rules or not, and if you are, have a story.
>Attention to detail and making sure I always have a story is why I almost certainly make more money than you.
Are you sure about that? And do you understand the differences between being prepared for anything, limiting your options, and shooting yourself in the foot? I mean, your idea of being prepared is to lie to your company and tell them you have a business visa.
Sorry anon, but you aren't as smart as you think you are. A sign of maturity is realizing and accepting that you aren't always the smartest person in the room, and also not denigrating the people who tell you things you don't want to hear. Go to another site if you need your advice without a slice of being taken down a notch.
His (your?) advice is to not even look into details because it's autistic, and I'm just saying my questions were totally rational to ask. You can't possibly know how strictly entities (countries, companies) enforce these policies without asking around.
>His (your?) advice is to not even look into details because it's autistic
No, that wasn't given anywhere as advice, but that is what you assumed because it would be the opposite of what you were doing. You are looking at it as a binary choice, and your inability to approach anything without a firm decision and plan is your problem.
Case in point - telling your company that you have a business visa. You admit that they won't ask, so at least you acknowledge that it is unlikely, but lying to your company about something like that throws all the risk-averse effort you've displayed until now. You could and probably would be fired for cause if you were found to lie about that. Now, if you knew anything about human nature, hell if you even watched how human beings interact, you would learn that honest mistakes (what you probably condescendingly call stupid mistakes) are usually forgiven. If asked by your employer, you tell them that your research tells you that you're allowed to do company work under the class of visa you will have. That's not true, but it stands up to just as much scrutiny (probably more) than telling them you have a business visa, and you face no real repercussion if you're called out on it because it's not clear you were deliberately being dishonest.
Second thing you might have overlooked about human nature - it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. You already said you VPN from your home network, so unless your work cell phone leaks data evidence, you could have done this whole trip without likely needing to tell them. If it came up you were overseas - "oops, I didn't realize that was a problem". But now you've gone and told them and asked permission, and they are doing due diligence on their side, and now you need to worry about the possibility of needing to be or appear to be dishonest.
Yeah, you've tried to cover your bases, and you dug and covered yourself right into a hole.
I never said I'd lie about having a business visa. If they did ask, I would've done as you said. Or just played dumb and see what happens. If I'm fucked then I'm fucked, I'll never lie or admit to wrongdoing. Hence having a story.
Other guy said he has the VPN, not me (OP)
This can also just be plain old stupid. I wonder what OP thinks his managers do. Maybe he thinks they get a work visa every time they respond to work e-mails from the Maldives? And another work visa for that time they respond to another work e-mail when they fly in Canadian airspace on the way home? Is he gonna report their managers now to the authorities when he realizes they do not get a work visa every single time? lol
I actually would be fired if I winged it in some select countries like Vietnam and so would my managers. Are you the online work guy that I may have triggered?
They don't care if you do your normal job from a distance. That's not what they mean, they don't want you to take job oppurtunities from locals.
They kind of do in some countries (because they want you registered with the government and paying taxes) but just go and don't say "I'm working while I'm here."
You're visiting for a few weeks. You have plenty of money and took leave from work if anyone (official) asks. It's not as uncommon as you'd think. Remember international travel is still the domain of wealthy people, mostly. People that have plenty of free time.
You only start running into problems when you try to do visa runs or want to stay the maximum time a country allows without showing a proof of income. They catch on that you're probably working. 2 or 3 weeks in each country is nothing, especially if you don't come off as poor and have booked onward travel in advance.
They really mean if you are dispatched there on a business trip by the company, not fucking around on your own volition.
This. I wonder if there's a class on "how to read between the lines" for autists.
What? You can just continue doing your own job no problem. As long as you don't get paid there. People go on business trips all the time.
The problem only arises when you become a resident and continue not paying local taxes. Most countries classify you as a resident if you stay more than 183 days a year. How do you think business trips could even exist.
Does your company know you'll be working abroad and did they approve it? If not, and you're working abroad, I'm sure if they have a competent IT/network department, they'll know something is up. My former company didn't allow anyone to work outside their country's branch in fear sensitive data is leaked or they assume anyone connecting to the company's network from outside is a foreign/unknown entity.
I can VPN into my home network that appears as a regular residential ISP subscription from the outside.
I already use that for banking and backups, never had a problem.
And when that goes down then how will you keep it under wraps? How will you deal with timezones?
It's very much doable, obviously jobs that were considered suitable for remote work before 2020 are easier to pull off than something with daily video meetings and frequent in-person events.
As for time zones, it's just a matter of planning and going to places that will result in a daily schedule that suits you.
No one is ever going to know
If you are paid to a foreign bank or in cash how is anyone ever going to know
I cannot get work visas, I always worked illegally whether tourist or student visa without some "special work permission" or whatever the fuck. No one cares!
Fucking talk to the nearest Japanese consultant and see if you can get it changed. If not, talk to the nearest US embassy in Japan and see if they can help.
I'm a Canadian accountant, once I get my CPA I plan on doing freelance work while I travel. Don't need to tell anyone where I am while I work.
Holy shit, just go, NO ONE will give a fuck.
Just don't tell anybody you stupid little homosexual.
OP I am tracing your IP as I post this and WILL tell everyone you're breaking the law.
>precovid 50% remote due to travel
>covid hits go full remote to even office near me is closed any moved to TX
>tell boss now that I am fully 100% remote going to work in Europe and Japan from now on
>okay just get your projects done, and work off our timezone
Whew that was SO HARD