Anyone else studying Mandarin? After reaching a certain point I feel like I'm never going to get any further.

Anyone else studying Mandarin?

After reaching a certain point I feel like I'm never going to get any further. I'm wondering if I'm the only one.

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Name one Chinese person that's worth talking to.

    It's a trick question, there are none. If they were worth talking to, they'd speak English.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yong

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      my mate ming

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically Naomi Wu

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        She speaks English. No need to learn Mandarin for her.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically true. Same goes for Indian and European.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      i just wanna be able to bang the hot international students at my uni

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Da Wei

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't he not Chinese?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t. ReYrded mutt boomer

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        he asked you to name one person

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is why Americans won't be able to speak to the UN guards at their internment camps in 2055.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      how's that SighSee related?
      anyway I started a couple of weeks ago, I studied a bit of Japanese before so radicals and hanzi are not that difficult.
      even tones are really easy imo.
      the most difficult part so far is learning vocabulary.
      I'm studying it because I want to visit China this year.

      they are nearly 2 billions, a lot of Chinese girls seems really educated, just like Russian girls.

      yeah, couple years and just went to China, it was really awesome being able to chat with the locals, they really love it, it was just a way better time all around. got to date a woman who can't speak English, wouldn't have been possible without my Chinese

      even though you are absolutely correct, I hate this main character energy that foreigners have in Asia. I remember expats living in Japan as absolute c**ts who think that they are better that others.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not yet, but I wanna learn it to a basic level at least so I can go to Taiwan on their Huayu Enrichment Scholarship.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you use it actively, it's gonna be fine.
    I know books are passé and whatever, but reading the news and reading books are the only way I know to keep improving. Unless you perpetually attend Chinese university courses or something.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you do not move to a Chinese-speaking country, you are correct, there is a hard cap on progress. If you move to a Chinese speaking country you can be fluent in two years.

    >t. fluent after 2 years between Shanghai/Taipei, native-tier after 5 years

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where is the cap? I'm a quarter way through Pimsleur.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I would argue that without living there you will never be able to speak quickly and correctly, without a heavy foreigner accent, and you will not be able to understand (or will at least heavily struggle to understand) the variety of non-standard mandarin accents, which you encounter more frequently than standard mandarin in the wild.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've never lived there (I will next year) but I can speak without a heavy accent and mostly quickly and correctly. I have trouble with southerner accents and Sichuaner accents due to lack of exposure, but northerner accents I can understand fine, even with excessive erhua (probably because my gf's accent is like this)

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw no erhua accent gf to caress your 小鸡儿

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        pimsleur equals failure. stop now and just get a speaking tutor online on italki or whatever. you need to converse with a chinese person 100% in chinese. your tones and intonation are wrong i guarantee it. you are emphasising your sentences like you would in english.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          How could my times be way off if they sound like the recording?
          And that's a bold statement, have you or someone you've met not been able to learn the language because you used Pimsleur?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >我的声调跟录音一样,怎么还差呢

            ^vocaroo homie

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Haha why do I have to bare myself to SighSee? You do a vocaroo.

              A tutor sounds very expensive, you'll discourage people making them think they have to spend all of their money to get anywhere, like with everything these days

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The pimsleur system is great but holy shit do the have the fricking dumbest conversations to listen to. There is one where they talk about finding a "wild man" (essentially a yeti) in some random park. Thank god i illegally downloaded that shit

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you lovely anon, I was about to become depressed, you've restored my faith I will persevere!

            The conversation style at some points is the only annoying thing because of poor selection of words to incorporate (don't mind if they're just silly), why would you make "mung bean cake" a key learning word? For fricks sake, I could bet my life savings that I'll never use that word in my entire life. I've only got so much space in my brain and I'm already having difficulty so this is just wasting my time and energy, drives me mad, holy shit.

            Don't you think as you get fairly far into the course they start to add too many new words too quickly, and I've noticed they don't keep repeating them like they did in earlier, that technique got me retaining things well and learning quicker.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              The Russian pimsleur is godly. Chinese and Korean are completely dog shit.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >why would you make "mung bean cake" a key learning word?
              yes. mung bean cake in chinese is either a lvdoubing or a lvdougao depending on its type. this is a green bean cake because mungbeans are called green bean in contrast to dried basedbeans which are called yellow beans. it teaches you the word for green, bean and one of 2 words for cake which can change depending on the makeup of the cake/pastry. i doubt they explained any reasoning or how either bing or gao means cake and gave examples of other cakes.
              for a food vocabulary word it is quite useful to introduce or use several different words. bean appears often in chinese food words so you need to know 豆.
              but pimsleur isn't very good so it won't have any box out segments to explain these things in detail.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's lvdougao. Fair enough, I usually ignore it when the word comes up but I'll learn it next time I listen then.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been studying Mandarin in the UK for 6 years (most of that quite low intensity) and my level is around HSK 5
    I think it depends on how much work you put in and how many Chinese people you practice talking to, also reading books in the language

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm doing half an hour a day.

      yeah, couple years and just went to China, it was really awesome being able to chat with the locals, they really love it, it was just a way better time all around. got to date a woman who can't speak English, wouldn't have been possible without my Chinese

      Amazing

      From my experience learning wapaneze, you really, REALLY need to have daily immersion where you're forced to piece things together in your head, test it out, and do that dance. I can study all fricking day and night and I'll get nowhere; but whenever I'm in Japan trying to navigate the place and talk to people, I improve much quicker. You gotta find a way not just to immerse yourself, but have those moments of "ahhhh frick what do I say here, fricking, uuuuhhh" and you figure it out

      Immersion would definitely be the best way, I've tried to find Chinese people to make friends with but there are fairly any here, and the wankers I meet here are from Hong Kong when I do get to meet one, maybe I should just never come back to England, no idea what I'd do there though

      I would argue that without living there you will never be able to speak quickly and correctly, without a heavy foreigner accent, and you will not be able to understand (or will at least heavily struggle to understand) the variety of non-standard mandarin accents, which you encounter more frequently than standard mandarin in the wild.

      Frick you

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Frick you
        Dont be mad mane. Just go to China

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm going but I'm not a human being, I can enjoy my life for two weeks before being forced back into a prison

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can't relate.
        IME, it's easier than you think. But learning from textbooks or language software is gay. It makes more sense to read contemporary literature with a translation, a rollover dictionary (like a browser extension), and an audiobook of the text. Also just getting a conversation partner. IME, your brain eventually catches up to their speaking speed and it clicks, but it took me like 10 sessions despite having autistically learned lots of vocab (Do not recommend this method of pre-learning vocab before use, btw). You learn by using it for things that actually matter (Conversations with the China-folks and reading literature.). Also memes.

        You could always learn Guangdongnese with the Xianggangers.

        I'm trying to remember the name of the website, but there's a site that lets you meet with people in your city who speak particular languages and are looking for language partners. But if you're brutally autistic (me) you can probably just walk up to people speaking Chinese and befriend them. Or it will spark romantic interest.

        >tfw no erhua accent gf to caress your 小鸡儿

        Suffering

        How could my times be way off if they sound like the recording?
        And that's a bold statement, have you or someone you've met not been able to learn the language because you used Pimsleur?

        I have personally found it pointless other than being able to accuse people of being American in Arabic.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have been walking up to Bug people, I'll carry on, sooner or later it has to work. I less they find my comments on these thread hahaha

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        China has to have the worst diaspora in the world. I'm stuck in Hongcouver so Chinese are everywhere, but for the most part it's Hong Kong twats and liberal aids riddled Taiwanese.
        I've been to both Taiwan and the Mainland, people over there are overall friendly and kind. So different than the entitled rude buttholes that live here. Hong Kong can get fricked though.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          No different than any 3rd/2nd world diaspora.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, couple years and just went to China, it was really awesome being able to chat with the locals, they really love it, it was just a way better time all around. got to date a woman who can't speak English, wouldn't have been possible without my Chinese

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    From my experience learning wapaneze, you really, REALLY need to have daily immersion where you're forced to piece things together in your head, test it out, and do that dance. I can study all fricking day and night and I'll get nowhere; but whenever I'm in Japan trying to navigate the place and talk to people, I improve much quicker. You gotta find a way not just to immerse yourself, but have those moments of "ahhhh frick what do I say here, fricking, uuuuhhh" and you figure it out

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I started HSK 1 this week. I like how straightforward the grammar is and how there is a logic to combining characters to make new words (like diàn shi/ying/nao) but I struggle to memorise the characters themselves. They don't resemble anything that I can see. I think it's easier to remember something if you can connect it to something else that you know.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I struggle to memorise the characters themselves. They don't resemble anything that I can see.
      memorise the radicals and then you will have an easier time
      >I like how straightforward the grammar is
      for now

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >for now
        I just finished the Michel Thomas Mandarin course and I feel literally unbeatable. Don’t tell me this language gets hard. I choose not to believe that.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      remembering simplified hanzi by Heisig, is a good book, but it stupidly only has the pinyin in an index in the back. I would write the pinyin in the entry that introduces the character. also the meanings can be a little wonky, since characters have different meanings depending on which character it is paired with

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      don't learn any hanzi until you can speak HSK 3 level fluently. the Hanyu Industrial Complex wants you to take classes and buy books and listen to teachers because there is an economy behind it.
      it is wrong. you need to listen and to speak. you need to remember words and their tones because you use them.
      watch videos where it is clear what the speaking is about. listen and repeat.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is good advice if you live in China and can easily max out speaking/listening practice. If you live in the west its really only viable to get good at reading first

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    中国辣妹最爱白人的大肉棒
    can I get a grammar check here?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is probably fine but I would say 中国的辣妹

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct. And no need for 的 as other poster suggested. It wouldn't be wrong but its unnecessary

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Studying now. Where can I find some children's books to help me study?

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I need to get back into studying Chinese used to do it a lot, covid killed it for me + now busy with school. Will maybe visit China to get back into it.
    Anyways, the written language is 100x harder than the spoken language.
    Make sure to focus on the spoken, unironically watch children's shows like Peppa Pig in Chinese to build understanding.

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