I am travelling in Hayastan for 5 days. Any tips, or recommendations? I'm staying in Yerevan.
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I am travelling in Hayastan for 5 days. Any tips, or recommendations? I'm staying in Yerevan.
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These are the places that I've got on my list so far:
- Vagharshapat
- Vernissage
- Khor Virap
- Ararat Brandy Factory
- Noravank
- Sevanavank
- Tatev
- Lake Sevan
I was considering to buy a motorcycle while there. How difficult would that be?
Also:
- Garni
- Geghard
- Goris
- Tsaghkadzor
- Kecharis
I planned to spend most of my time on the road around.
>Vagharshapat
>- Vernissage
>- Khor Virap
>- Ararat Brandy Factory
>- Noravank
>- Sevanavank
>- Tatev
>- Lake Sevan
>- Garni
>- Geghard
>- Goris
>- Tsaghkadzor
>- Kecharis
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Be sure to go downtown 9pm and see the fountain show. For quick food: Tumanyan Shaurma. For Khinkali: Tumanyan Khinkali.
Whats the cooming like out there?
Next to impossible because beautiful Armenian women are traditional, conservative, religious. Put in the work and you’ll be rewarded with a quality wife and long-term free cooming. But they’re not very open to casual dating (with foreigners who will leave) or hookups
Just like how I like it tbh
Diaspora ArmeBlack person here. Would not advise you to come coom here if thats your only reason for coming. Women are very prude and usually save themselves for marriage. With dating apps they probably do on the downlow with giga Armens but for the most part if a girl isn't a virgin she either has been with her man for a long time and they are getting married or have plans to. Dating culture is just barely thing here and things are changing but Yerevan is a big village syndrome, if a girl has fricked someone dudes TALK and gossip and she will be deemed a dirty bawd and prostitute that no one wants to marry and just for cheap sex. I say this as a degenerate coomer and absolutely not a tradgay, the women in Armenia while feminine will drive you insane and are the biggest shit testers on the planet. There is a reason why Kanye went insane.
They make good mothers but even then feminism is making headway there and women have been focusing on muh career for the past 3 decades, alot of them dont get married till at least 30 to 35 nowadays, they get married younger if they find a diasporan willing to take them to his country. Women will def find you exotic and the like but the chances of you hooking up are basically none. And while I mentioned that women do save themselves for marriage as its the overall norm, most of it also has to do with the fact that women live with their parents here until they are married and its pretty rare for a women to live on her own especially with the current prices for housing and its generally frowned upon. If you truly want to try your luck you are unironically better off finding a girl with blue hair working at some NGO and is more liberal, she will be less of a headache to deal with too and will still be less of a toxic c**t than most American women. If you truly want the polcuck trad wife happy life fantasy you can live in Armenia and find a women thats willing to marry a foreigner (cont)
>women are prude and save themselves for marriage
hnnngh
So do the women value diasporans more than the local men? How do they feel about mixed Armenians?
t. Diasporan-Amerimutt mix
It depends. They probably won't care that you are mixed but you would definitely need to learn Armenian and get more Armenian. They would value because you have more money and can take them to US or the West. A hayastanci would definitely take the chance to divorce rape you if she could. Syrian Armenians are the best women by far but are also pickier
50/60 split. The obviously more conservative value ones won’t care more for you, but the (relatively) more progressive ones might be looking for an opportunity to escape
>you would definitely need to learn Armenian
It's over
>hayastanci
What is?
>Syrian Armenian women
Never met any before. Got any pics?
How easy it is to cross to Yerevan from Turkish border? I'm planning to do a Turkish trip and step into Armenia on my way to East before turning back to West. Would two days be enough for Yerevan? I've been in Georgia for a long time before if it helps so nothing in Armenia will be too radically new.
Are you mentally moronic or something? You're not going to go to Armenia to live there and you're never going to learn Armenian. You're not going to find some tradwive there who is willing to marry an autistic foreigner who can't get laid back home. Can you stop wasting everyone's time with these dumb ass questions and let the thread stay on topic?
Never said anything about moving to Armenia permanently, homosexual. Maybe if you learn Turkish you can get some troony to frick you in the ass while you're there.
Thanks for the replies Armenanon. Was genuinely curious what Armenian women might have thought of me. I'll find some way to cope without my qt3.14 Armenian tradwife.
>hur dur i want a trad wife from a third world country who is super duper traditional but is also willing to marry a complete foreigner xDDDD
this shit always reads the same, it's a nice daydream, but it gets irksome reading the same shit over and over again in threads that should be about tourism and not about your fricking romantic life
Whether for the purpose of whoring or dating, women are one of the main attractions for tourism. Browsing this board for more than 5 seconds will tell you that.
I just like to know what I'm getting myself into before I go for it.
>Thanks for the replies Armenanon. Was genuinely curious what Armenian women might have thought of me.
Just walk up to them and ask them if they have a boyfriend like this Russiananon. Unironically I think you're overthinking things.
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That being said it's unlikely you're going to bag a mentally sane waifu during a 5 day trip.
Nah it's from a University of Beirut student club.
Again if you genuinely put in the effort and lived there and learned armenian you will probably find someone, albeit her intentions may or may not be based on trying to fleece you.
Jesus hye es? Where did you get these pics from? These look exactly like my cousins and social group. But yeah levant middle easterners and Armenians tend to be whiter and more Greek looking compared to swarthy look hayastancis.
However Lebanese in general are stuck up but you will get points as a westerner. Don’t think she will be some trad wife though, yeah she’s prob more nurturing than the typical American foid but they are massive gold diggers and shit testers and expect pity sex once a year at best. Applied for Armenians as well
Same anon, with middle easterners/Armenians/Turks/Georgians/etc women they tend to be “virgins” until marriage but they may have fooled around with a chad bf up the but or to whatever degree, and if they are engaged they probably have had sex. HOWEVER, because of this women are veryyy prude and are the types to sit in a night club with skin tight clothing and expect dudes to ogle them and buy them drinks and never put out. Although social media has changed this in general your wealth/education/status is more of a factor rather than your looks as our economies and countries are shit. But because women are encouraged to get an education they spend their youth getting financed by boomer cuck dads and they prioritize education in some cases until like 35 and at that point they’ve already hit the wall. Also with this generation too women are just not as likely to be more house wife oriented and while I wouldn’t say they are “westernized” to whatever extent that word means it’s more that they have their own version of feminism and use it to signal for the best man if this makes sense. These countries are very gynocentric in general and men are expected to be disposable cogs while women are starting to have no responsibilities for the social contract like in the west while still expected to die in wars and betabux and work hard jobs. Though to be fair women in armenia are smart and hardworking compared to a western thot
Anon I’m sorry but it’s over. Unless you are wealthy and willing to stay in armenia no women is going to do anything with you. If you had some knowledge of armenian and were raised armenian it would be different but you are not even spyurk, pretty much odar
>Syrian Armenian women
>Never met any before. Got any pics?
pic related are Lebanese Armenians but they're similar in terms of phenotype and genotype.
Most of the Armenians from the Levant are Cilician Armenians.
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Pretty attractive women overall. Are these your relatives? I have some Cilician ancestry on my grandfather's side.
>no hookup culture
Good
As they should be, and Kanye is a famous Amerihomosexual who made himself crazy.
The whole Caucasus isn't a place for cooming, period.
Lots of leftist Russians have fled to Yerevan, they're easy... But they're also Russian.
As for Armenians, they probably had the least amount of English speakers in the Caucasus as far as women go. Also, they live with their parents until they're married and there is next to no hook up culture. Even if you (a beta s o y on the hunt for a trad wife) manage to find one as your trad wife they hit the wall harder than any other ethnicity on the planet and will turn into a ghoul in their mid 30's
thank you, anon. apparently noone else is interested or knows armenia..?
I ended up having Khinkali two days ago, it was delicious. Though apparently it is a Georgian thing. Then yesterday we had more horovats, sturgeon, trout, pork, chicken, lots more drinking, one guy busted out an accordion and was playing what they said was like traditional Armenian music. Pic related is the cascade, there are lots of nice restaurants in this area.
It is Georgian, that’s one of the few things the Georgians are right about - for whatever reason Armenians claim it as their own. But they get SO assblasted over a fricking dumpling (every culture has one) that it’s funny and sad
As an Armenian there is not a single person that isn't a brain dead moron that claims khinkali is ours. Its just something Gogis get assmad about and use it to justify their eternal seething towards us meanwhile most Armenians don't care about them
Honestly not surprised that it’s just Georgian propaganda. They really have it out for Armenians. Sorry for assuming wrongly about Armenchads
Yea the Armenian dudes that took me to the place said it was Georgian, but it was quite common in Armenia.
I did Armenia plus NK in about a week in 2015. AMA.
I'm doing some barbecues with my Armenian friend. they said they bought a pig,
and another day they're going to do a barbecue with sturgeon as well. I was
thinking about buying a carpet while I'm there as a souvenir. Another day,
we're going to go to Mt Aragats, and hike up to the north peak.
what were your highlights? anything I should skip, or be aware of? what do you
think of the things I've mentioned?
> Vagharshapat
didn't visit
> Vernissage
just an outdoors market, visit if you are in Yerevan but nothing special
> Khor Virap
I was really hyped with this place because of some pictures and it really disappointed a bit. If you have a good view of the mountain it might be better. I got a kinda hazy day so it sucked a bit. The Monastery itself is nothing special apart from the well you can get into.
> Ararat Brandy Factory
didn't visit
> Noravank
I visited in August so the grass was all yellow but still nice
> Sevanavank
Nice setting and interesting monasteries
> Tatev
I really liked Tatev, the setting is amazing and I also visited Tatevi Anapat and that's a israeliteel I was alone. Just beware of the first turn and turn left! I got lost in a forest and I thought I would have to sleep in there until I got out but I panicked a bit because I couldn't find my way.
> Lake Sevan
Overall good
> Garni
The temple itself is cool but there's not much more around
> Geghard
Really cool monastery. Probably my favourite one when it comes to architecture only
> Goris
ok town but don't expect Capadoccia
> Tsaghkadzor
didn't visit
> Kecharis
didn't visit but looks similar to haghpat which i liked
In NK I visited Shushi and the Agdam Mosque that are now off limits. I also visited Vankasar but this might also be on Azeri territory right now.
If you want to visit Garni go to Khndzoresk instead. It's nearby but more interesting
Selim caravanserai is in the road between Noravank and the Sevan Lake. Worth the stop
On the lake Sevan you can also visit the Noratus cemetery and the Hayravank monastery
I went on a tour to Mount Aragats to see the Amberd Fortress but it was a bit meh
The Dilijan area is pretty nice. The town itself is pretty laid back and there are wild monasteris in the outskirts (Matosavank, Jukhtakvank, Haghartsin, etc.) you can also visit the russian villages of Lermontovo and Fioletovo.
There is a canyon in the direction to Georgia where you can visit a couple of monasteries too: Kobayr, Sanahin, Haghpat and Akhtala
It was an ok trip but in the end I was fed up with Monasteries (And I like the stuff). So my advice is choose just half of what you had intended to.
thanks for your detailed replies and recommendations.
Anecdotally, my friends wife is both a saint, and has kept her beauty. She is
in her 40's. She's very polite, reserved, and soft spoken. She has made dolma
and this cow's foot? gelatin soup (very good). She's also a software developer
and quite smart.4rxvt
Absolutely based. Dolma slaps. I actually quite liked the food in Armenia but guess I understand why most don’t
Oh and good for your buddy hope we all get a woman like that someday
bumping the thread, I leave tomorrow so I'll post some pictures here if it doesn't die.
Safe travels anon
I have been in Armenia now for about 14 hours. We drove through Yerevan after arriving and then went to my friend's apartment. He needed to sell one of his apartments so he and some Armenian friends of the buyers are trying to get the papers together. This is proving to be difficult since the banks keep asking for money to "expedite" the ask. All transactions greater than 300,000 drams must go through drams in an Armenian bank, and the buyer is American, so the need paperwork showing it is going through the banks. Afterwards we went to a friend of my friend's office for a shashleek (barbacue). The barbacue was of chicken and beef kebab, and the main dish was a board which they bought in rural Armenia (100+ km from Yerevan) which was only fed acorns. It was very delicious. They are all students of the Russian school, so they speak Russian and Armenian very interchangeably. We drank from 10 am until now, and I'm pretty drunk now. Lots of toasts and emotion from the Armenians, they're very happy for me to be excited to be here and enjoying to drink with them.
sounds beautiful anon
cool thread, thank you
I'm not sure how they feel about privacy so I've covered their faces. The Armenian friends I have met have all been very gracious and friendly. They all want me to love Armenia as they do. I'm sure I will find it difficult not to.
We polished off almost three bottles of vodka and 4packs of cigarettes between us. I was struggling to keep up, my friend who I came with stopped drinking early and didn't smoke. The public water is all fresh mountain mineral water.
Went on a tour today with hyur to Kecharis, Tsaghadzor, and Sevanavank. It was good, saw a part of the liturgy at kecharis which was interesting. I may post a video later if I can change it to a webm. I met some other travellers on the tour who were nice.
We were stopped for some time at a highway turnaround point due to a car on fire, which was kind of interesting. Everyone in the area walked over soon after this was taken and the traffic was quite comedic.
Monday I did some more sightseeing, but more relaxed stuff, no monestaries. They have a "deer park" where they're reintroducing an endangered species of red deer to the wild, though I suspect their being desensitized to people won't help them (https://files.catbox.moe/b1zj2m.mp4)
The street dogs in Armenia are all pretty friendly and happy despite everything, maybe they get fed by tourists a lot. They all want to be pet. (https://files.catbox.moe/k3a64x.mp4)
I also went to parz lich, which was pretty touristy/family oriented, I felt it was overrated. I also bought a kilim.
cute doggo video
tatev is incredible and you have to see it
yerevan is probably one of the worst cities i've ever been to. complete shithole and genuinely depressing to walk through. Avoid as much as possible
the women are not particularly attactive. go to georgia or turkey if you want that
that being said, there are barely any young people in armenia. most leave for career opportunities elsewhere in europe etc
the roads are awful and mostly unpaved. tbh i would rent a car if i did it again because most of the bus rides i did I spent holding on for dear life
the monasteries, scenery and caves are generally insanely beautiful. Just avoid yerevan
The public squares/parks of Yerevan are pretty nice, but yea in general it's a poor post-soviet city. I think that gives it some charm though to be honest, its still got some life to it. The countryside, history, monestaries are why you come here though, not Yerevan.
By the way you used to be able to climb these steps to get to the chapel in noravank, but they closed it because some tourist fell off and broke both legs, ruining it for the rest of us. You just can't see the chapel anymore.
> yerevan is probably one of the worst cities i've ever been to. complete shithole and genuinely depressing to walk through. Avoid as much as possible
Really? What didn’t you like about it? When was the last time you’ve been? Am armenian and it’s dissapointinf to here that, cc’ing has improved a lot over the last two decades
> in armenia. most leave for career opportunities elsewhere in europe etc
True, my cousin just went to Canada and married a foreigner even though she had a good job here. It’s sad and it’s shitty because our economy isn’t really that bad
I felt happy in Yerevan. It was nicer than the city I'm from in the US. Maybe you went long ago or maybe I just live in a terrible city/US is crap.
Tuesday I drove to noravank and tatev, it was a long day, but worth it. I met a German guy who was moto touring. He had come all the way from Germany through Europe, turkey and georgia. It would be a great country for it views and landscape wise, though the roads can be a bit rough, and the drivers have some screws loose. Pic related noravank, which is in a valley surrounded by these red cliffs.
Cheers for the pics, anon. Very beautiful
The vista from the roads are amazing, I couldn't capture them properly from the bus, but in syunik province it's just wildflowers, rolling hills, mountains.
Occasionally a herd of sheep or cattle. Beautiful and very old feeling in a strange way. The mountains are so round and green.
I'm the highlands of syunik we came upon some thick fog so bad we could barely see a few meters head and around. That was the only time I was really worried about getting into an accident since it's two lanes and cars would still try to pass in the fog, in one place there was a broken down truck so everyone was passing in the oncoming lane. The road through syunik is one of the only places that Iran is able to trade with Europe using due to poor trade relations and embergos from other neighbors. So the road through syunik was not really busy but almost all of the traffic was Iranian trucks. I ended up picking up some honey from a roadside apiarist in syunik, which is a pretty common sight there. In pic related the fog had started to let up, but herds we're another dangerous obstacle in the fog because they have no lights
*embargos
The valley around tatev is absolutely beautiful, the ropeway is definitely worth it. Tatev itself was nice, the history is very interesting, there was an ornate domed archway before entering the main church which was unique amoungst the monestaries I've seen here, and there were lots of derelict rooms and passageways amounts the ruins around that were fun to explore.
Good stuff, OP. Very nice to see an actual follow-up when asking for recommendations.
Selim, Khndzoresk/old goris I may not be able to go to, even though I really wanted to, unfortunately. I am kind of tied to what my Armenian friend wants to do, since I only know pleasantries in Armenian/Russian. There are tons of Russians here btw, not just Russian speaking Armenians, fleeing the war for one reason or another I guess. Anyways we did go to Garni, Geghard today. But I'm just going to post some prissy "photography" shots I glassed over before first. Pic related is khor virap from inside the church where St Gregory the illuminator was imprisoned for 13 years.
Here's the video of the liturgy I mentioned earlier (https://files.catbox.moe/7jhhds.mp4).
Pic related is Sevanavank in some winds, had a laugh with a Danish tourist I met about how freaked out everyone was by it.
This is a bell tower in the valley around Tatev (can't remember the name, but it's in Syunik province). They were used to warn of invading armies, each village had a bell and the alarm was communicated that way across the whole area.
Pic is from Geghard, the majority of the monestary is dug and carved out of stone in the cliffsides of yet another beautiful valley. The acoustics in there were fantastic (presumably because it's all done shaped and surrounded almost entirely by solid rock formations)
And last post for the night. Here ones of the symphony of stones near Garni. I debated posting a lot of these photos since I figure people can just google it, but I guess it does give it some more visibility. By the way here's a video of some swallows flying around the apartments in Yerevan (https://files.catbox.moe/jbuoju.mp4). I haven't been able to get good photos of mt. Ararat (since it's been under cloudy since the first day, driving from the airport), and Yerevan (I just forgot to take pictures while I was walking around) but the squares and parks are really quite nice in Yerevan: Abovyan st, etc. Lots of great cafes and fountains. I think that other poster may have just had a bit of culture shock it sounds like to me. There are always not nice areas in cities everywhere, in Yerevan it is maybe more visible because it's built on hills quite a bit. Many Armenians are poor. But they wealth of personality. Everyone I meet properly has invited me into their home for coffee, tea, fruits, and conversation I of course don't really understand, but I'm happy to be there. Armenia (as my Armenian friend's grandmother says) is boiling. Difficult to translate it, but maybe in English "electric" is close? She's lovely by the way, made me coffee in her tiny kitchen. Miyazaki grandmother vibes, she still lives in the same 1-room apartment where my friend grew up. She sleeps on the sofa. She gave me a Soviet hardcover copy of Anna Karenina she was able to get by voucher in the 90's by trading in bottles (really). Anyways, goodnight.
They have* a wealth of personality
Also I meant mother, but my friend is in his late 40s, and she is a grandmother.
Apologies for all the typos, I don't have a proper computer here, just my phone
This thread is so much better than the Tbilisi/Georgia thread it’s not even funny. Armenchads stay winning
I hate gogis, they look down on us and their hate boner for vatBlack folk extends to us. They stick their noses out to us and larp as a butthurt belt country even though they are actual churkas unlike us. I’m not even a polgay but they also embrace globohomosexual way too much and have EU flags and Ukraine flags plastered all over their capital. Everyone in armenia considers them as a brother nation but they look at us like we are occupying Abkhazia itself. Even though I admit we are failed israelites our diaspora and collective achievements mog them in every way possible, meanwhile they think they are yuro because they spread their asscheeks to US empire. We have a cia zog puppet for PM now too I guess we are in the same boat
Based asf. I’d complain about Georgia/Georgians and praise the beauty of Armenia myself but I already do be textin’ ‘n drivin’
>I hate gogis
They're not that bad. Granted as a diasporagay I've only interacted with them online. To their credit the glorious Georgian Erdogan from Adjara is absolutely butt raping Turkey's economy.
>even though they are actual churkas unlike us
It depends.. there is significant some overlap in genetics between certain Georgian populations and Armenians. It's difficult to ballpark this but around 50% present day Armenians are Caucasus people. The Caucasian Albanian Udi people clusters very close to some Armenian samples.
However Armenians that lived in Smyrna (aka Izmir on the Aegean sea) are not a Caucasus people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/İzmir#International_port_city
They’re terrible, and all they do is call every homeless Georgian person an “Armenian gypsy” and treat actual Armenians like shit
>t. American who lived in Tbilisi for 2yrs and was still exposed to this on a daily basis
They’re also very uppity about Georgia, which really isn’t that great of a country
the attitudes of georgians and armenians towards each other are hilariously different, but the reasons for this are understandable.
one the one hand, there are armenians, who probably never interacted with georgians in their entire lives. armenia as a whole is pretty much an ethnostate with no other nationalities, which means that there is little to none awareness of what non-armenians are like or what they think. this led to armenians thinking that georgia is just this friendly cool little brother of armenia with cool food. the "little brother" label is pretty relevant here to understand the dynamics. from what I`ve seen armenians think that armenia is an older state than georgia, and that a lot of georgian things are actually armenian(like the georgian alphabet, the capital city, the royal dynasty, yada yada) and since there are no georgians in armenia to oppose this viewpoint, armenians assume that georgians have accepted this imposed "little brother" label. although I think the armenian relations towards georgians have definitely taken a hit since the last karabakh war as some armenians thought that georgians sabotaged their defense efforts by blockading russian arms imports
on the other hand, georgians have much more interactions with armenians since there are a lot more armenians in georgia than georgians in armenia. georgians have noticed the previously described narrative that armenians have spread around themselves and were obviously dumbfounded and upset(since georgians think that they`re the actual main characters of the region). this has led to them becoming very defensive about their history and other shit, often turning very malicious in the process. there are some other things that georgians are mad about as well (the loss of lore in the armenian-georgian war, armenians fighting against them in abkhazia, armenian separatism in javakhet, and positive armenian attitudes towards russia)
>the royal dynasty, yada yada
Anon, it's also likely that Vartan Mamigonian that founded Mamikonian dynasty had Georgian origins.
Wherever the Bagrationi dynasty was from they eventually went native. The current British Royal family (House of Windsor/Saxe-Coburg Gotha) has German origins for example but they still fought against the Germans in WW1.
Regarding the Mamigonians I have to admit I find Vartan Mamigonian's Chinese origin story to be funnier:
>Although it seems that the legend of Mamikonian origins, even if untrue, does indeed concern China, more recent scholarship suggests that the Chenkʻ are to be identified either with the Tzans, a Kartvelian tribe in the southern Caucasus, or with a Central Asian group living near the Syr Darya river.[2][6] Nicholas Adontz believed the legend to be "a confusion, prompted by the love of exotic origins, between the ethnicon čen and that of the Georgian Čan-ians (Tzanni) or Lazi... who were settled in the neighbourhood of Taykʻ."[7] He derives the dynasty's name from Georgian mama, meaning father, combined with the Armenian diminutive suffix -ik.[7] This view is shared by Cyril Toumanoff, who describes the Mamikonians as the "immemorial dynasts of Taykʻ.
Just out of curiosity is this theory widely believed by Georgians? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claim_of_the_biblical_descent_of_the_Bagrationi_dynasty
>since georgians think that they`re the actual main characters of the region
The cultural, scientific and philosophical achievements of larger civilizations on our periphery (Greeks, Persians, Russians, etc.) outstrip Armenia's and Georgia's combined achievements. Trying to be the main characters of the Caucasus is like trying to win the moron Olympics.
Gotta love how one seething khachik went on a rant in this Armo thread, and half the replies since then have been about Georgia. Truly rent free.
>Just out of curiosity is this theory widely believed by Georgians? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claim_of_the_biblical_descent_of_the_Bagrationi_dynasty
That theory is taught about in history classes, but it is explicitly stated to be a mythical story with no real evidence. It is taught that their actual origin was from Speri region (land around modern-day Ispir in Turkey). Only the most insane church fanatics actually believe that our kings are descendants of biblical David.
Always. Giorgi is eternally assmad
here's your (You) khachik, you earned it 🙂
I have to wonder how the Armenians you encounter in Georgia will react if you tell them Vartan Mamigonian, an important figure in Armenian history, had Georgian origins.
>It is taught that their actual origin was from Speri region (land around modern-day Ispir
Do Georgians consider the Georgian Bagrationi Dynasty to be unrelated to the Medieval Bagratuni House in Armenia? Alternatively do they consider the Medieval Bagratuni House to have Georgian origins? I suppose either of these are possible, just wondering what their position is.
For instance, according to Armenians the Bagratuni House rose to prominence in Armenia whilst they were vassals to the Arab Caliphate in the 7th-9th centuries. They then gained their independence sometime in the 9th century.
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A lot of people here like to cope about it and claim they're unrelated or that Bagratunis are from Bagrationi, but anyone that approaches history seriously (so like 5% at most) knows that Bagrationi is a branch of Bagratuni. Toumanoff's theory is very well argumented.
In fact, Bagrationi is a relatively recent variant of the dynasty name, it got popular after 17th century. In 12th century, and even before that, their name in Georgian documents is written as Bagratuniani.
The real history of the house of Bagratid is that some Parthian nobleman went to Armenia a long time ago, a branch of his descendants ended up becoming the royal house of Armenia but were only mildly successful, and another branch of his descendants got land from a Georgian king in Upper Iberia, got fully Georgianized, became the royal house of Georgia, and were in general more successful than the Bagratuni branch.
>even though they are actual churkas unlike us.
kek cope harder khachik
Even gogis will say we aren’t actual caucasians and
I (mistakenly) married a Georgian. Nowadays I constantly pray Russia invades that shitty country again and really fricks them up this time
>personal bias
Yes, true. But I never heard the end of her complaining about Armenians even when we were living in the states.
And I’ve been to Yerevan. It’s quite pleasant. With all these things being brought up, I took a retroactive look at my relationship and the person I was with - a lot of it makes sense now. Quite validating, actually
Georgians hate boner for Russians and by extension Armenians is unironically worse than Armenians seething for Turks. Like seriously you’d think every armenian was in the Bagramyan battalion the way these people talk about them. It really is a narcissism of small differences.
It’s fricking pathetic as an outsider. If anything I find them honestly worse than Armens and Ivan
Georgians have become weirder and pissier in recent times. A bummer, they were alright at some point. Geopolitics, autism, what can you do. I remember reading about the different countries and who uses what sites and Georgia's most used site was SighSee. I thought that was funny but oddly fitting.
Low IQ anons will blame Le Russia
>Sakaashvili gets exiled by his own people for corruption
>Gets exiled from Ukraine also for corruption
And now they’re trying to hang him in Georgia lol
>I remember reading about the different countries and who uses what sites and Georgia's most used site was SighSee. I thought that was funny but oddly fitting.
This is so strange to me, most Armenians are immune to irony even in the West and I can never picture a large amount of them on a site like SighSee. I am not even a polgay but gogis really are trying way too hard to be le western kek.
green text story time?
Also did an Ararat brandy museum tour, which was mildly interesting, the basic package includes a tasting if their 3 year and 7 year, both of which are not very good. Pic related was the guide and a sculpture relating to a drinkinh legend
Wtf pajeet. Why don't you shill this in SighSee instead? Looks cool though
yeghegnadzor was the most grim, bleak and depressing place I've ever travelled in my life
Dilijan is pretty comfy, Gyumri was hit or miss. Got a free apple from the border guards to Arsatkh which was nice of them and stayed in an airbnb hosted by an old man who told me stories of being in the red army in the 70s
>stayed in an airbnb hosted by an old man who told me stories of being in the red army in the 70s
This shit is exactly what I want during travels. Man, if this board wasn’t full of sexpatting coomers maybe you’d hear more about cool shit like this
Be careful of scam tour buses lying around but overall 8/10. Use Yandex taxi or something that way it tells you how much it is, and I would pay cash since I wasnt sure Yandex took western credit cards. And you can exchange your money in some big chain grocery stores there will be a section to do it somewhere or you can use apple pay almost anywhere, but carry cash for sure.
There are legit tour sites I forget what though.
Garni temple and geghard was cool.
Gyumri was a beautiful small city. I cried being there. Lol. Check out as many monestaries as possible. In Yerevan at least while ur there.
Dilijan was nice but I wish I saw more or stayed in a hostel and met folks cuz I was alone and didn't end up hiking around much. Wish I saw Tatev.
Tsakhgadzor had some beautiful monestaries too and on the way there were some other hidden-ish monestaries. Man I wish I stayed longer. Good luck.
Are you male or female? The males are pretty ugly except for a rare few who have lighter features and pretty faces, but most men there after 20 they look weird and begin balding. Don't offer to pay for food either, that's cheap and cringe. Let the men do it.
Don't expect to coooom with women. The few women there you can sleep with are probably also foreigners but neighbours are nosey (no pun intended)
I am the resident armenian itt and this is accurate, in fact men gossip more than women here and if a women is known to sleep around her entire social and family circle will view her as a bawd and ruin prospects for marriage by most men unless they are an expat or diasporan
Any recommendations for offroad routes in Armenia? I will be renting a 4x4 in Tbilisi in August and looking to road trip over Armenia.
I hate Georgia. I hate Georgians. Bump. Not Armenian btw
psyop
If anyone's interested in the nature trails in Armenia:
>Explore the wild and friendly country that is Armenia via the newly-established Transcaucasian Trail, which we hiked in 2021.
litterally no on cares about armenia in georgia and armenians are least talked about minorities in here for about a century at least, so i don't know where that shit comes from, on the other hand litterally every SighSee thread about georgia is shitstorm with armenians seething in replies and larping as objective turists to convince people about visiting armenia
>speculation from someone who never set foot in Armenia
What kind of weird outsider propaganda is this? What’s your agenda?
Any >>SighSee gays here? I’ll be in Armenian next month and want advice on what camera or lenses to buy
>t. photography beginner who decided to bite the bullet and stop using his smartphone
Love this country by the way
muslim want to invade this country and genocide them again
why are they like this ?
what is the future of armenia like ?
I don't think my country will exist in 20 years at the minimum, we have fully been infiltrated by a globohomosexual CIA ZOG shill for our PM who does backhand deals with Turks while our braindead hobbit brained populace still wants to seethe about ruskis fricking us even though we got fully color revolutioned and got too wienery, We deserve everything at this point
A decent travel vlog of a British guy in Armenia:
I was watching this guy the other day with my family, very great guy and does a good job