People here complain about home prices well here you go sure all the places are mediocre but the land is cheap.
Picture is San Diego no surprise it’s not on the list.
https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/discount-dream-homes-here-are-americas-10-cheapest-housing-markets/?cid=eml_promo_Marketing_PRSL__1946:655bc08b78f61ca27e06f6f8:ot_Marketing_Consumer_AdHoc_EditorialSingleArticle
There is a direct correlation between how good living is for middle class and how Conservative it is.
oh yeah Vermont is so awful to live in. it's completely due to Germanic white%
Germanic and Anglo whoops
It's already against the rules, it's in the sticky. That post is off topic.
NOOOO! YOU CAN'T SAY THINGS I DON'T LIKE!!! BAN THEM!!!
This site is turning into Reddit.
Philadelphia has everything barcade anons want and its cheaper to buy a house than rent
Philadelphia is a shithole full of blacks and junkies, the houses are cheap cause no one in thier right mind would wanna live there permanently
I love living and owning in SD. seems like everyone who visits ends up wanting to live here.
now its basically orange county creeping south to us. traffic sucks.
was just in philly. its a shit hole. couldnt pay me to live there.
Liar. All those foothill properties went up.. lived in grass valley, truckee & polock pines.
>I love living and owning in SD.
When did you buy your place? Is it an apartment or a house?
NTA but I sold a condo I bought in 2014 in 2019 and bought a house on half an acre in north county. Refinanced in 2021. Feels good to have payments that are what apartments cost now. Utilities are insanely expensive though.
>that list
Holy shit frick no never
That list is my literal worst nightmare. Fricking Birmingham Alabama, St Louis, Baton Rouge. That's a hard pass from me.
You can get a 3 acre lot in California up near Yosemite for 50K. Buy a prefabricated cabin for like 40K and drop it on the property. You could dig a well, bury a septic tank and install some solar panels and you'd have a house 60 minutes from Yosemite for like $120K. It's fricking paradise up there.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Wawona_CA/type-land?view=map&pos=37.27918,-119.732527,37.237577,-119.667295,14&qdm=true
>120k
Not happening. You'd be in around 180k on a good day.
>you can lice under Hispanic communist rule for the low low price of-
No thanks
I've lived all over the US. If you're looking for a cozier place to live than the foothills of the Sierra mountains in California, you'll never find it. It's close to 60 degrees for most of the winter. The foothills have a real small town feel. Madera County actually votes conservative, as do the surrounding counties in the foothills. There are almost no blacks and the crime is lower than the national average. The reason everyone doesn't move there is because there are no jobs and not a lot of housing. But there is a frick ton of empty cheap land.
>cozy winter
>no snow
lol
lmao even
You can go drive 30 minutes into the SIerras and it's a winter wonderland. You've obviously never been to the Sierras if you didn't know that. They can get like 15 feet of snow in a day.
>americans buy their house based on fricking politics of all things
jesus frick the brainrot is strong in your """country"""
Why wouldn't they? Each state functions almost as differentely as European countries do. Wouldn't you factor in local politics and tax rates when choosing which European country you'd like to live in?
I would even argue they function more differently. In Europe the EU is trying to homogenize/harmonize everything. They come up with "directives" on all sorts of nonsense that apply to the whole EU and want the tax rates across the EU to be the same so people aren't tempted to go on cross-border shopping trips or move to avoid income taxes.
In the US most of this stuff is left up to the states. Some states do not have state income tax at all. Some states do not have sales tax (like VAT) at all. Imagine if you could cut your taxes in half just by moving a couple hours drive or an hour flight away to a place that has the same culture (more or less) and climate and language.
btfo
1. proximity to employment
2. public school quality (parents)
3. neighbors+culture
4. proximity to family
5. climate/lifestyle opportunities
6. low property taxes
7. HoA or not (heavily region-dependent)
Those are just my guesses. Obviously certain priorities might be higher for extreme conditions, like maybe not wanting to live in a Hispanic neighborhood where nobody speaks English. But most of the US the suburban landscape is relatively homogeneous. People just disappear into their homes and live however they want. Maybe you're catholic and attend church on Sundays. Maybe your kitchen stinks of curry or fish sauce. Nobody knows unless you want them to and nobody cares so long as your exterior is up to the neighborhood standard.
The Sierra culture is so opposite from the coast; a Californian I met on the Amtrak described it as like a slice of Texas in California.
While dry spells can feel comfy in winter, wildfires become an increasing danger with the lack of rain. When the atmospheric rivers do strike, they can be severe and last for days. You have to be self-sufficient if you are living innawoods. I got stranded at a buddy's off-grid homestead up in the foothills near Angels Camp (2500 ft elevation) after a surprise storm dumped a foot of snow and blocked the primary road into our off-grid compound with a mudslide. This was in March 2020 just as all the COVID panic was kicking off. It was a helluva time to be stuck in the mountains, smoking weed, rubbing my poison oak blisters, and hearing the world go to shit over the satellite radio.
nah he's right, western sierras have daily pride parades and mandatory electric vehicle purchase, definitely don't move here
(mirin what you got goin on but you are also correct about difficulties + pretty sure it's gotten harder to get a mortgage on a structure even since 2020 with insurers pulling out of the market)
literally so few jobs the residents start doing hard drugs, common with mountain folk
That list is fricking grim lol. I don't think Detroit would be too bad, like the suburbs or maybe out towards Ann Arbor. Never been so all of this is secondhand knowledge.
Ann Arbor is really nice due to the university Detroit might as well not exist
Ann Arbor has a high cost of living, however. It's made of indian and chinese internationals and whites due to it being a university town. Most people there are cold and concerned with themselves almost exclusively from personal experience, but any locals willing to initiate a conversation with you tend to be very friendly and enthusiastic. There's an expected conformity to politics there, so it might not be the best place to escape that. Don't bother with most of its international food restaurants, but the pizzas, burgers, and pretzels in Ann Arbor are hard to beat. I had a friend who went there for uni and seemed to enjoy it well enough, but maybe that's because he was a student. My advice would be to find a technical job working for nearby universities or colleges, as it would be very easy to get lonely otherwise. That friend of mine told me staff and active members in the community would hang out with each other or assist student clubs and meet people there. I get the impression it's no different from a lot of other university towns.
Detroit proper is cool if you're an interwar period autist + artgay. If you don't care about that then its not worth it right now. Come back in a decade THOUGH, there's lots of new projects in the pipeline
Wisconsin is still pretty cheap. You just have to be able to handle the cold and avoid the jogger infested areas.
>green gay fudgepackers
>The Chicago Bears
American sports be like:
>Here are your Bud Light® opponent for today's game: live from Grindr Stadium. The Indianapenis Twinks visits the Chicongo Bears. We will analyze this game with you from top to bottom.
You should try watching a divegrass game.
I would say on that list Detroit and Rochester are the "least worst". Both have major universities, medical centers, and some recovering nightlife/culture.
I will also shill for West Virginia because it's extremely cheap, especially if you have a remote job.
boomp
They're cheap because there are no jobs or there's a monopsony that pays terribly, and the neighbors are trash that will steal your wires.
yes i would like 33x leverage please, it's my first try
Sometimes I look at how much my house cost me and what the would get me in another market and feel sad. Then I look at my retirement accounts and feel better. What can you do.
Thankfully I'm in a position where I still don't balk at the cost of living anywhere in the US 🙂
I don't balk at it, but there is something unsettling about knowing I paid 15x what my mom did for a house just 20 years ago.
What do you expect from a country that undercounts how many people reside in it? That's going to put extra strain on housing.
Upstate NY is cheap and beautiful if you don't mind snow. The property taxes are sky high in almost any decent neighborhood, though.
What's the easiest way for me to move to the US as an unskilled moron? I'm huwhite so simply crossing the border and claiming 'no hablo ingles' won't work
It's pointless to move to the US if you're poor.
What if I don't want to live for long, only travel for 2 or 3 years and then off myself at the Grand Canyon?
>Choose a worthwhile life outside the US without uncle Sam breathing down your neck for taxes and woke speak
>Visit the world's wealthiest trash heap them an hero in some ugly hole
Where ever you are anon, you can live well, I really believe it is better than the US
>bought house in "flyoverville"
>pop just under 500k
>house was 120k just enough to roll in a bunch of first time home buyer plans and credits
>realistically paid 70k
>3br/2ba 1600 sq ft
>just far enough outside the city I don't need to worry of "urban culture" possibly fricking my shit up for the forseeable future
>migrants won't move here as it's not one of the 4 cities they know
>make friends with some people at the gym and bar I visit from time to time
>one of them needs a room, lease it out don't even need to charge much
>pays for all my utils+taxes and keeps an eye on my home
>have income via remote job
>have bills paid and things secured via roommate
>probably can flip this down the road for double my money
feels good man