I was at Colombia and started to get a taste for cigars , so I was thinking , I have 2 passports a American and Mexican , from what I know if you travel with US papers to Cuba the US Gov. might put you on a list , but could I go under the radar if traveling with Mex papers ?
I plan to do 3 days , 1.Arrive and rest , 2.Buy my cigars and rest, 3.leave
Is is possible or am I doomed to buy from the middle man?
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>could I go under the radar if traveling with Mex papers
Yes
Caribbean papers are better though, Cayman Islands, St. Kitts, etc
Nobody in Latin America gives a frick
The US wouldn't either if it wasn't for homosexual ass neocons
My concern would be getting caught trying to bring the cigars into the USA, not flying from Mexico to Cuba and back. It's pretty common for Americans to do so; reportedly, if requested, the Cuban authorities won't stamp a US passport.
Before covid was a thing I went in Havana once as an American with a Nicaraguan passport but it was for culo coomgame not smoking.
How were the Cuban women lad?
OP here,I can travel through CDMX no problem, have no business bringing cigars to USA or buying bulk, just looking for 2 boxes max for personal use, but my probelm is, can the US know if I went to Cuba even if I travel with a mexican passport ?
>but my probelm is, can the US know if I went to Cuba even if I travel with a mexican passport ?
No. Legally, you have to fly into and out of the US on your American passport if you have one (although I am uncertain how this is actually enforced), but there’s no reason the US would be notified of a round-trip between Havana and CDMX taken using your Mexican passport unless your name was already on some kind of list. Even then, I doubt it. Countries share a lot less immigration information than people think they do under normal circumstances.
>actually thinking Cuban cigars are anything more than a meme at this point
Wake up gramps it's not 1980 anymore
dont bother
the good makers left Cuba for Nicaragua and the DR. their Cohibas, Romeo y Julietas, Montecristos, etc. are top notch.
this anon speaks truth. cuban cigars are only memed because they're scarce for murcuns.
No. He is wrong. Even if good wine makers in France left for New Zealand France would still make good wine. The same about cuban cigars. But yes, you could have good non cuban cigars. From honduras if you like full bodied smokes, Dominican Republic for lighter bodied, etc.
t. cigar smoker
Like wine, the climate and the terrain. Different kinds of leafs give you different tastes. Some stronger, some lighter, caramel, coffee notes...
is right.
Would France still make great wine if it was run by Zimbabweans? That's the question. Cuba has one of the best climates in the world for a lot of things but is run by commies which means quality control goes to shit because morons get put in positions of power and the workers don't get paid anything compared to what they could get by stealing from the factory.
Probably not. But Cuba, with all the socialist problems, still makes good cigars. Montecristo nº4 and nº 5 can really be awful due to high production and problems in quality control. But you still get great cigars from Cuba. I mean, cigars are one of the most important parts of their economy. Obviously there are things they are good at (and that's one of them).
Cuban cigars are not the best cost benefit. For sure. Also there are some premium cigars from other countries that can be as good or even beter than cubans. But I still have not found a better full bodied cigar (for my taste) other than Partagas (and even Bolivar and Trinindad). And I did try premium cigars from Honduras, Nicaragua and other countries. I do prefer Davidoffs for light smokes than any cuban brand though. I find cuban light bodied cigars to be too aromatic.
>Partagas
we probably have similar tastes actually, I do remember some partagas coronas I had being pretty good.
In any case, is a flight to Havana really necessary to get cigars? Cuban products such as rum and cigars are widely sold in every latin american country. Maybe you could give us some tips on avoiding fakes. I'd think if I went to a high end cigar shop in Bogota or CDMX one that's not geared towards gringos I'd get the real deal?
>Cuban products such as rum and cigars are widely sold in every latin american country.
Anything worth a damn is the NAME or BRAND being sold in latam under the prior fame said company had. Very few quality products come from Cuba over the huge amount of vastly superior local goods produced. Cuba "quality" is literally a boomer meme perpetuated by zoomies because they think cuba bans mean someshit as their hippie college professor told them about a trip he took once.
You don't get good shit from cuba, you get cheap shit that "gets the job done".
Cigars are cheaper there than where I live (almost 50%). That said is not worth it to travel there just to get a box and resell it. At least where I live there's a limit of 25 cigars per person to bring back home. I do know some people that go to Cuba (touristic reasons) and buy some of the more expensive boxes and sell it when they get here. But it's a 2-400 usd profit.
>avoiding fakes
There's actually a website (official) to check if the box you bought is the real deal. http://verificacion.habanos.com/
That said, the best fakes they probably even fake the stamps. lol. The best way to avoid buying fakes is buying from a La Casa del Habano store. They are the official ones that import cuban cigars everywhere in the world. https://lacasadelhabano.com/directorio-franquicias/
Besides that, you'll have to look for a reputable tobacconist, have some experience with how a proper box looks like, look at the stamps, use that website...
>No. He is wrong. Even if good wine makers in France left for New Zealand France would still make good wine. The same about cuban cigars. But yes, you could have good non cuban cigars. From honduras if you like full bodied smokes, Dominican Republic for lighter bodied, etc.
>t. cigar smoker
I am the guy you said is right and also the guy you said is wrong. we all have different experiences anon, and I haven't smoked a cuban that I have thought was really better than other areas, and they are readily available in my country. my favourites (now) are nubs from dominican republic. though i used to get cheap canionazos from costa rica which were quite good, before customs got heavy handed with duties..
They only started making Cohibas during Fidel Castro's regime. The fake "cohiba" sold in the US has nothing to do with the Cohiba lineage.
You can get Cohiba in Colombia so no reason to go all the way to Havana.
>fell for the havana meme
Cuban cigars aren't the holy grail they used to be these days. There is a serious lack of quality control and traveling to Cuba just to get some cigars is an awful idea. As another anon said, all the good makers have abandoned the country going mostly to the DR and Nicaragua, though you can find a few companies in Ecuador growing amazing shit. Davidoff, Padron, Plasencia, Cohiba, Avo, Oliva... There really isn't much of a reason to go abroad when a ton of great cigars are available in your own city. You're better off meeting people locally with industrial connections who can get rare editions. I've never gone to Dubai but still managed to get an Opus X Dubai since my local lounge is ran by a guy who just knows fricking everybody. Even gets the in the know clients great shit like the 2017 Cohiba Talisman.
You really want to make yourself a regular at a good lounge and meet the owners, there is no better way to gain access to higher quality stuff (which they don't normally put out for sale unless you're a regular in the know anyway).
what makes a good cigar? ive only ever tried a few, some aged 7 years, they were meh..
just the quality of the tobacco and the oils in the leaf, how evenly and long it burns for. the cigar should properly be humidified as well so that it burns a bit slower and is not so harsh. I find it quite pleasurable sort of slow way to absorb some nicotine. lovely with a coffee, wine or whisky. something I'd do maybe a few times a year.
A wide range of factors from flavor, nicotine concentration, quality of leaf, processing of the leaf, the actual rolling, aging, proper humidity and climate... There's really too much to consider. Ultimately, a good cigar is a cigar you enjoy just like a good bottle of alcohol is one you enjoy. If you don't even know what makes a good cigar, then you're really wasting a lot of money on something you won't appreciate, sort of like paying for a shot of OFC when you've only had whiskey sours in your lifetime.
>if the wine makers left france, the country would still produce good wine
Because it would still operate on capitalism, not under commie shitfests where quality control does not exist. The people replacing the fleeing winemakers must produce cheap garbage or expensive quality, or they'd go bust.
>the climate and terrain
Are impactful but if you're a shit grower, don't control humidity, don't dry and age well, don't control for leaf quality when you roll, you'll have a shit cigar. Just because a wine is made in france does not make it a premier grand cru, just because a cigar was grown and rolled in cuba does not mean its an amazing cigar.
>quality control is an issue for non-cuban capitalists
>cuban cigars will be fine with zero quality control commies
I really will never understand this level of dick suck for the origin of a product. Cubans can be quite good, very good even, but not so much to the point that you genuinely need to fly over to buy them. The big fame comes from JFK and the embargo, but that's literally because mass industry hadn't moved away as the full embargo began in 64 and the commie revolution happened in 59. Big names like Padron didn't come into being until 64/65 in Miami once they all fled the country. Every reason to get a cuban cigar pre-embargo besides climate and soil ceased to exist the second the embargo began, because the titans of industry moved and restarted elsewhere.
I'm not american. I get cuban cigars where I live (a far wider selection than the ones of other countries like DR). And as a 10+ years smoker I don't see the lack of quality control you so much talk about. All premium cuban brands are fine, the exception being the ones that are mass produced (the same must happen in other countries) in absurd numbers, like monte 4.
Yeah, the industry titans moved out and produce their cigars in other places. Still, Romeo y Julieta, Partagas, Cohiba, Montecristo... are all cuban brands that produce great cigars. Ok, socialism sucks, I get that. And Cuba sucks for a cuban living there. Still a great place for cheap tourism and a great cigar producer though.
Yes. I like Guantanamero Decimos
OP here,Thanks for the insight everybody, didn't have idea the makers left, Ieven heard that I would have better luck in CDMX
Going all the way to another country just for cigars? That sound silly. At least stay there a bit longer. Just doesn’t sound worth it really.
Absolutely worth the effort.
keep smoking em