For people that have done business in Japan do you actually have to hang out with the boss after work and drink with him at the bar and shit? If so why do you think they do this? Are the bosses such losers they have to drink with their underlings?
Also when in more exotic countries have you guys meant foreigners from societies that are more culturally insular? What are their reactions to being in the country compared to western tourists
>For people that have done business in Japan do you actually have to hang out with the boss after work and drink with him at the bar and shit? If so why do you think they do this? Are the bosses such losers they have to drink with their underlings?
i worked in japan for a bit. yeah i'd go for a few drinks or socialise with some of my team now and again but the company i worked at didn't have that stereotype salaryman falling down drunk in the street and missing the last train kind of culture. the people i worked with were more young, highly skilled, technical people and didn't really go in for it. also i was a contractor so i was regarded a bit differently from the permie staff.
>Also when in more exotic countries have you guys meant foreigners from societies that are more culturally insular? What are their reactions to being in the country compared to western tourists
are you including pajeets in that description? if so, wherever they go they are like a tornado passing through a town full of cheaply built houses in a flyover state. i wrote in another thread recently that if motley crue and led zeppelin went on tour together they would be nothing compared to a bunch of software testers let out of india for the first time.
>If so why do you think they do this?
A lot of the time it's to do "team building" for management to check a box showing they spent time building the company's morale. Really it's just so the boss can see you slip up hopefully to know how you really are behind the work mask and what you might think of your job/work.
>Are the bosses such losers they have to drink with their underlings?
See above no, it's generally a management tactic. You can completely avoid this most the time coming in as a contractor which I HEAVILY vouch for doing, never be a employee vested to the company unless you want to just be an overworked slave. Contractor means you have more leverage on projects and things and can often hop ship with little to no backlash on industry things. "oh gee boss would love to work more but it's OT with my company.. I gotta call them for approval!" or "oh drinking tonight? can't got a meeting with my agent to discuss my contract stuff at home".
>What are their reactions to being in the country compared to western tourists
Once you stop dressing like a tourist, acting like a tourist (usually looking with a WOW face at everything), and become familiar with what you are doing and where you are going people stop giving a frick about you being "foreign". I'm a fairly pale motherfricker but people stopped even treating me like a tourist after about 6-8 months when I just gave off body language like everyone else.
>Are the bosses such losers they have to drink with their underlings?
The bosses probably work so much they also wouldn't have any time for friendships outside work and home. Idk
>For people that have done business in Japan do you actually have to hang out with the boss after work and drink with him at the bar and shit? If so why do you think they do this?
It's how you suck up to be remembered for being a good worker and gain favortism to get better assignments/projects and get on the boss's mind for promotion/pay raise. Once once guy does it, then everyone has to do it or you get left behind. And if you're left behind all the peeps that went to drink with the boss talk shit about you to elevate their standing.
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Communication used to be really hierarchical in Japanese companies. Drinking parties were a sanctioned opportunity to speak directly and openly - it was "nommunication" (like nomu for drink + communication). Positively, it could be used as an opportunity to run an idea by a colleague and get their unvarnished feedback or approval, before going through a more formal process. My liver is relieved I don't have to do this anymore, but I could see how it was a kind of cultural system of conflict resolution.
When I was 22, freshly hired and still had a social group I hanged out with, the idea of wasting time after work drinking with colleagues sounded appalling.
Now that I'm 33 and my social group dissolved because everyone settled down with their own family, it's suddenly becoming a lot more appealing. SighSee is the only place I socialize in nowadays. I had to change cities for work, and work itself takes 9-10 hours a day, it's impossible to find new groups.
>When I was 22, freshly hired and still had a social group I hanged out with, the idea of wasting time after work drinking with colleagues sounded appalling.
>Now that I'm 33 and my social group dissolved because everyone settled down with their own family, it's suddenly becoming a lot more appealing. SighSee is the only place I socialize in nowadays. I had to change cities for work, and work itself takes 9-10 hours a day, it's impossible to find new groups.
Same except I'm 40 and still have no wife/family so if I don't get a beer in with some co workers it's nothing but me time outside of my shifts.
Some point of this shit still happens in japanese companies, but work culture is slowly diversifying, I maybe go to one drinking party a year and have a a meal/ beer (paid for by the boss) then dip out with the excuse I have to get home to tuck in the kids. There is a little bit of a gaijin pass there that regular japanese staff resent, but frick em I document everything at work and they won't catch me slipping
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As long as the boss doesnt get frisky, and want you to come with him to a love hotel or his sleeping pod, you are all good
Yes. It is why 1/3 of Japan has fatty liver and ~10% of the population is thus at risk for colon cancer. Even in the athletic industry people over-indulge. You would too if you lived single in a shoebox (even worse with a nagging wife) or in bumfrick Inaka.
Regarding my experience with insular communities, they are there for business or sending a check back home and do not want distractions. They eat at their ethnic places (if available) for comfort but also to keep the money within their country’s people. It’s not a bad thing to do and they are not bad people to hang with. Just know the cultural interest is one-way and leave the conversation to universal things like science, business and hobbies
>It is why 1/3 of Japan has fatty liver and ~10% of the population is thus at risk for colon cancer. Even in the athletic industry people over-indulge. You would too if you lived single in a shoebox (even worse with a nagging wife) or in bumfrick Inaka.
and yet in the news today was a story saying 10% of the population of japan are now 80 or over
clearly this is the key to long life
I see the same thing here in the states. Just always remember your co-workers and bosses are not your friends until proven in blood.
I'm actually kinda concerned about this because I am going to be working in Japan as a contractor. I don't mind going out but my alcohol tolerance has dropped enormously and I don't know why.
Why do americans keep shitting up Japan?
>Just always remember your co-workers and bosses are not your friends until proven in blood.
Japanese have honor and a code of ethics unlike amerimutt land, just like the normal world people aren't out to frick you over every chance they get. If that were the case pubs back home would be run out of the country way back when.
You deserve to be a slave
>Japanese have honor and a code of ethics unlike amerimutt land, just like the normal world people aren't out to frick you over every chance they get.
Until they don't and find something to screw you over.
Going to an after work bar happy hour is a great opportunity for an employer or other competing agents to find opportunities to exploit you. This doesn't mean be rude. Just play the game and remember its a means to and end.
use the general homosexual. annoying as shit you inbred weebs keep posting 200 OMG JAPAN threads a day. kys or frick off