How accurate is the Nomad List ranking? Also how the frick do you live for $950/mo in Penang?
How accurate is the Nomad List ranking? Also how the frick do you live for $950/mo in Penang?
How accurate is the Nomad List ranking? Also how the frick do you live for $950/mo in Penang?
>Budapest
>$2,375 a month
Not accurate. No man has lived in these cities long enough to have a valid opinion and to make a ranking. This is clearly just a list for lists sake, made from data on the internet. by someone who has no clue whatsoever.
Big cities are like that because high paying jobs bind people to live there. If you have the freedom to work from anywhere then you can just go to any cozy cheap small town.
>big cities are like that because of high paying jobs
>never lived in Tokyo for under $1k
the guy who runs nomadlist says the list is not accurate because the public ranking/voting is messed up. it is too historical so many of the places rankings are unaffected by recent changes.
you can see him talk about it somewhere on his twitter.
Why is Zagreb so popular with digital nomads?
cost of living isn't bad. I spent a month there. Can't say I'm in a rush to go back. I took a day trip to Ljubljana, probably my favorite part of the trip
That's not Split in the picture, it's Dubrovnik.
>chiang mai is on there but not pattaya
What a fricking Normie list
>chiang mai is on there but not pattaya
>What a fricking Normie list
If the only alternative to “normie” is “sex tourist/sexpat,” then yes, I guess that is accurate.
But Pattaya has very few redeeming features as a general place to live when compared with many or even most other localities in Thailand. Bad infrastructure, bad air quality, bad beaches, food that is at best about as good as anywhere else in Thailand, but with arbitrarily marked-up prices on half of it. The only thing you can get there (apart from the country’s highest per-capita population of sex workers) that you can’t very easily get in innumerable Thai towns that are objectively nicer to live in is probably golf. And now that I said that, there’s golf in Hua Hin or Phuket, too.
So, yeah. There’s only one reason to spend time in Pattaya, and I guess most people aren’t as into it as you are. Frickin’ normies.
Based answer I gotta say. The snark level was just right
if you don't care about cooming why consider Thailand in the first place? infrastructure, climate, traffic, air quality, etc. aren't optimal from western point of view
look at Chiang Mai for example: no real public transport despite being a large city, horrible air quality for several months per year, heavy rainy season, no sea, too hot for several months, so what's the attraction compared to small Mediterranean town?
the list is crap, Athens more expensive than Tokyo or Seoul? right
Thailand is one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world and has been for decades. It has a tropical climate year round that people from cold climates seek, beautiful beaches and a rich interesting culture where monks in robes emerge from highly decorated temples each morning and elephants roam the land. It's exotic while being safe (compared to say Mexico or Colombia), much more tourist friendly than say China and much more sanitary than say India.
thank you ChatGPT but you didn't address my points
Idk, sounds like he answered your question perfectly. It's the sweetspot between safe/familiar and exotic/different at a good price point. Never been to Chiang Mai, but Bangkok is great and has transit, good enough air quality, and tolerable weather.
>look at Chiang Mai for example
it's cheap, possibly the cheapest urban place with safe, healthy food and relatively clean standards of living in the world
Are there any mediterranean towns with similar cost of living to chiang mai? frick no. not even close
not very walkable
hardly any public transport
taxis refuse to use meter
you will spend lot of money on transportation alone
in Europe you will have way better infrastructure
There are a bunch of places in italy and spain comparable to chiang mai. The problem is theyre full of old people and there are no girls
People were flooding into spain and italy until millions of illiterate criminals started flooding into the countries and making them dangerous shitholes
This is ranked by… what? Popularity among people who filled out a survey on this website I have never heard of? If so, I would call it 100% accurate—that is exactly how whoever put that ranking together ranks them.
But the numbers seem a bit all over the place; too low in a few and surprisingly high in a few (Berlin can still be enjoyed for less than that, Tbilisi is almost certainly more expensive nowadays, Istanbul might actually be even cheaper than that at the moment, etc.).
There’s such a wide range of possible lifestyles and expenditure levels that it’s really hard to create good cost-of-long-term-stay estimates without a huge data set, which I assume whoever put this together didn’t have. The COL estimates on Numbeo have the same problem, but I think that either that or whatever these figures are can still be OK for a very, very broad ballpark.
But nobody should be amazed when their own experience winds up 20% higher or lower.
Funny to think of Nairobi as a digital nomad hub, assuming that’s what this is talking about; I have a lot of affection for the place but it’s not a great city by most metrics.
All of these prices are way higher than the salary of those countries, so you are getting ripped off by some airbnb landlord
>All of these prices are way higher than the salary of those countries,
Average local salaries aren’t a very useful statistic. For one thing, half the time they’re not even really average salaries, but rather GDP per capita, maybe or maybe not adjusted for PPP; this doesn’t actually say much of anything about how much income people actually get every month. Even more accurate average salary statistics don’t take into account the sorts of cost savings inevitably only available to locals, like shared housing with extended family, the single most common housing type worldwide (more than 38% of the world’s population lives with relatives). So even in countries where people might actually be earning only a few hundred a month, a third of those people or more aren’t paying any kind of rent at all. And unlike whatever laptop hobos presumably reported these figures, few locals are going to be eating out and drinking in bars all the time the way “nomads”’ do.
>so you are getting ripped off by some airbnb landlord
This or something like it is almost certainly usually true; short-term housing is more expensive than a long-term lease or owning a property just about anywhere on Earth. And without legal long-term residency, long-term accommodation options are going to be harder to find in most places. Foreigners pay more than locals for housing even if they’ve got long-term visas or residence permits in a lot of places; local real estate markets are often hard to navigate as an outsider, and two-tiered pricing is widely respected around the world, no matter how much one seethes about it.
I assume these figures (if not just completely made up) are self-reported by some sample of “digital nomad” types, and I find it 100% believable that those people pay above-market rates for many things.
cuz thirdies all live with their extended family.
It assumes you're living at a hotel in the city center and eating out 3x a day.
Try local cost. Nomad cost is moronic.
>Korea that low
Absolutely dogshit, this list is 100% a "best cities to instagram/influencer and get by in"
>be DN
>book airbnb in korea
>full room 10/night+plus desk+gig internet in Seoul
>full room 12-15/night for a room+shit in Jeju or similar beach town
>insanely reliable infrastructure for working
>police basically won't frick with you
>US is pretty welcome
>cheap ass food, transportation, etc
SEA being on there is fricking moronic as half the year you are at the mercy of storms or just "oopsie woopsie power outage for no real reason!" at night. Yeah you can avoid it but it takes more to live in a far better place and then it becomes a cost battle.
barcelona for 4000 and krakow for 2000. lol. lmao even.
doctors in these cities make like 3000 maybe.
seoul is extremely cheap. you are getting fleeced by businesses that cater to foreigners and charge 5x above normal prices
>doctors in these cities make like 3000 maybe.
Doctors don't live out of hotels or eat out 3x a day every day, which is what the "nomad cost" is assuming (and why its bullshit)
>Krakow
>Female friendly: bad
>Hyderabad, India
>Female friendly: okay
ahahahahhaa
it's correct, pajeets are very friendly towards females
as long as they show boobs and vagene
>delhi
>1200
Wtf? Its that cheap? I would go there for cooming but the air quality makes me hesitant.
im looking to move abroad for financial reasons. and im looking for cheap, developed, and safe countries. thailand fits with my criteria but i feel like there are surely more options.
looking for recommendations elsewhere
>im looking to move abroad for financial reasons. and im looking for cheap, developed, and safe countries. thailand fits with my criteria but i feel like there are surely more options.
>looking for recommendations elsewhere
Elsewhere as in “in other regions,” or just other countries? Many people like Malaysia, which is safe enough and statistically marginally more developed than Thailand (but the difference isn’t very visible—most of the noticeable differences between TH and MY have more to do with the fact that Thailand is just much, much more populous than with relative wealth), but it’s also just a bit more expensive. Still very cheap by rich Western standards. Their most popular long-term visa program, MM2H, also got much more expensive not long ago, particularly when compared to the 5-year Thai “VIP” or “Elite” visa, which is still pretty affordable at ~$20K while it lasts. The newish “long term resident” visa Thailand is hoping will replace the “Elite” one is also surprisingly pricy and has a lot of restrictions, but at least it’s good for ten years at a time, making it much longer than any other easily accessible visa, which apart from
the Elite’s 5 years almost all need to be renewed at least annually.
There are several easily accessible long-term-stay options in Latin America; Paraguay is probably the cheapest and easiest for most people, but it does require a pretty sincere commitment to long-term residence in Paraguay, which is probably not some people’s cup of mate. And Ecuador isn’t hard to move to, but they’re mostly seeking retirees. Of course neither is quite as safe as Malaysia or Thailand, but both are pretty placid by Latin American standards. Argentina isn’t hard to get into, either, and beneath the economic and political crises it can’t seem to escape from over the last fifteen years it’s still a developed country at heart.
Or Estonia. Or Portugal (but they hate expats now).
I haven't done the nomad lifestyle myself nor have I been to all the cities on the list but for the ones I have been to, the budget seems excessive to say the least. In some cases it's way over the median wage for those places, so even when factoring in higher rent prices for short-term accommodation, it doesn't seem accurate at all.
>Istanbul $1587/mo
>Barcelona $4063
>LISBON $3390
What the frick is the guy paying 5 hookers per month and buying cocaine on each town? Lisbon is dirt cheap also, how the frick you manage to spend $3390...
I live in a medium town in fricking France and rent + food + bills its about 1000€
>Lisbon is dirt cheap also
Housing in central Lisbon is very expensive nowadays, partially but not entirely due to a flood of Airbnbs and “golden visas.” People are freaking out about it, and there’s a lot of hostility towards Americans in particular. But food and drink remains extremely cheap.
I spend more than that on holiday decorations