I just realised Indonesians Malaysians and Filipinos have to pay for expensive plane tickets and hotel to travel to Saudi Arabia holy shit.
Imagine being some poorgay in Indonesia your life consists of subsistence farming coconuts or working at an oil rig 16h a day and you HAVE to pay thousands to some rich Saudi prince for a hotel room otherwise your family thinks you're gay.
I'd kill myself to be honest, how do you guys manage? Do you just ignore it and not go?
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My ass is itchy, can someone scratch it for me?
Sorry if I do that I will have to ritually wash myself
My question was serious by the way, how do Indonesians cope?
what cope? nobody cares about it if you can't afford it
if you can afford it then it's up to you
Also we literally have an agency to handle hajj funds, if you think all the money only goes to saudi then you're big wrong, because we charter our own airlines, pay local staff as a guide there and export our local food to feed them
>nobody cares about it if you can't afford it
According to
your sins are forgiven for going it so if you don't do it your sins are not forgiven, obviously
And it should be obvious how paying to travel to Saudi Arabia benefits Saudi Arabia regardless if you bring your own cans of tuna or not
>your sins are forgiven for going it so if you don't do it your sins are not forgiven, obviously
no, that's just your average exaggerate believe in religion, the point of hajj from what i always heard is to complete the five pillars of islam
>And it should be obvious how paying to travel to Saudi Arabia benefits Saudi Arabia regardless if you bring your own cans of tuna or not
i don't care as long as it's b to b and we can generate money from it too, you sound like a commie who wants everything to be a zero sum game
saudi imported a lot of cars made from indonesia, do you think that's also a loss for them?
>is to complete the five pillars of islam
Yeah so when you don't do it it's like you failed islam
I assume you mean the Hajj? The Hajj is compulsory only to those who can afford it. It is not compulsory if you can't afford to or if you are not fit. You only need to do it once in a lifetime. Those who performed the Hajj will have all their sins wiped clear, so for a Muslim it is worth it.
What if you can afford it but it's a large commitment and you have to save a lot?
Also by the sound of it you're basically paying some Saudi prince for indulgence, if you're poor and can't afford it you have your sins still?
>if you're poor and can't afford it you have your sins still?
This the case with many religions except, ironically enough, American evangelicals
don't you think that saudi arabia benefits immensely from these scheme? they make a shit ton of money from it
everyone knows saudis are milking hajj.
Wrong,
doesn't
>Those who performed the Hajj will have all their sins wiped clear
>raped and murdered some small children? that's cool, just walk around the metal vegana and it's all good bro
Why is god such a moron?
not a muslim but that argument is so fricking moronic.
By same analogy
>raped and murdered some small children? that's cool, as long as you believe in jesus and go make confession & pay the church some money and it's all good bro
I agree that logic is moronic as well, I'm not christian. I don't believe in any of that made up nonsense.
Except the church, at least catholic church, no longer does that
Part of penance for serious offences is making a confession to the authorities and serving your sentence, and they haven't taken money for indulgence since at least ww2
It is a corrupt organisation so they ignore it for their own but there legitimately isn't a major church as of 2024 where there is a real cash for heaven scheme, at least not in the major ones. Maybe russian orthodoxy
>and they haven't taken money for indulgence since at least ww2
So they have been corrupt until WW2?
That's an unforgivable sin, theologically speaking
God is bloodthirsty; he just wants a sacrifice of red meat. He doesn't care what you did, so long as you provide him homage
Carthaginians had the right idea
What's that
>raped and murdered some small children?
It doesn't work like that. That kind of sin involves someone else, it can't be forgiven
>you HAVE to pay
It's not mandatory if you can't pay.
Altho I agree hajj is so moronic it's a scheme made by muhammad as an ancient form of tourism tax
Are you Muslim?
he is clearly a chink as most indogs here are
>Are you Muslim?
used to be. At least I did umrah when I was still a muslim so I could sight seeing mecca once
It's the same as in Edo period Japan when the Shogun limited the local warlords' power by forcing them to spend a certain portion of the year in the capital away from their lands, so that a large portion of their revenues ended up being spent on travel and lodgings and they didn't have as much time or resources to be self-serving and conniving
Yes and this has been happening for centuries. You'll find muslims who don't have any house or land to their names yet still saving up for Hajj. All the money that'd otherwise goes to develop and contribute to the economy.
Sad
Do muslims ever try to do anything about this?
You shouldn't even talk about it. Government and political parties in collaboration with various NGOs directly manage the Hajj program.
Many people here believe that Hajj is more important than sending your kids to college.
>All the money that'd otherwise goes to develop and contribute to the economy.
what is this commie shit thinking tier
if they work their ass to the point they can pay for hajj that means they're already contribute to the economy
it's up to them where the money goes, might as well ban import and international tourism to keep the money like you want
morons who still pay some oil prince to around a black cube like a moth around a lightbulb and to throw stones on another stone deserve to lose their money. I respect saudis for scamming muslims.
it's actually $3.5k, but the waitlist is long (20+ years)
fast track is around $5k (5 years) and $8k (next year)
also, malay is rich
>malay is rich
No
You can't even afford planes that fly
Did you know we also circumcise our daughters (baby)? I'm circumcised as well but not when I was a baby. I'm not sure whether I'll circumcise my future children or not.
Why aren't you sure?
Do you want your kids to be scarred for life, yes or no?
I am circumcised and have no problem with that so far (once you got it then you forget about it) but I don't think I can't let my hypothetical daughter (baby) get circumcision. As for my hypothetical son, if I don't circumcise him then I'm going to be worried people going to discriminate him in life (uncircumcised muslim?)
>As for my hypothetical son, if I don't circumcise him then I'm going to be worried people going to discriminate him in life (uncircumcised muslim?)
Discriminate how? How often do you see your friend's dick?
>but I don't think I *can* let my hypothetical daughter (baby) get circumcision
People will know and it'll become part of your identity as an uncircumcised muslim. Other muslims will bully you verbally, physically, and systematically.
>People will know
How?? Do you normally talk about other men's penises?
Anyway even if true he can just get a circumcision himself once he's an adult
People know whether you're cut or uncut.
The norm for male is you get circumcision in elementary school, once you passed elementary being uncut you're going to face the pressure. If I was that uncut kid I'd partly blame my parents for not cutting my dick.
I'm circumcised and have no problem with it but I'm sure I'd be happier if it's still intact. I don't blame my parents for my circumcised dick. This is why I'm unsure about my hypothetical son, but I'm certain to not cut my hypothetical daughter.
>People know whether you're cut or uncut.
???
>but I'm certain to not cut my hypothetical daughter.
I mean, why is this even a question? Why would you cut your daughter? She is a girl, girls don't get cut, only boys
I have a novel concept for you: lie
>but I don't think I can't let my hypothetical daughter (baby) get circumcision
Why would ycircumcise your daughter? That's only done to boys, not girls
>my dunecoon tax is better than your dunecoon tax
is the new indog president an islamist?
Islamists supported his opponent Baswedan.
People will know sooner or later.
>People will know sooner or later.
How??
>an islamist?
That shit doesn't exist. Only morons use that buzzword. It's called conservative
>gotta mutilate my son or he'll get bullied
What the frick.
mudslime herd mentality is something else