I live in northern Italy, 60km from a NATO base with nukes, 10km from an airport and a chemical plant. I strongly suspect my area will be targeted pretty badly if WW3 goes full nuclear. I have NBCR masks, water and food but as you know, in Italy you can't defend yourself like in the US, so if I survive the initial blast, I will get killed by everyone starving to death. I'm trying to understand if it makes sense to me considering the idea of becoming an expat in some other country, hoping that if things escalate in europe, there will be less impact on my life there, and maybe the locals wouldn't have to resort to violence against me. So on this matter, I'm considering remote and self sufficient places like the following:
Azores: yes, they're still in Europe and there is a NATO base on them, but they are far from obvious nuke targets and far from continent. They are self sufficient, which means that the locals will proably manage to get their basic needs even with no supplies from the mainland. It's easy to get to from where I live and they are not expensive.
New Zealand:
I know many rich people are heading there and I also know the govt is trying to limit the amount of people from abroad wanting to buy property there. Either way, it doesnt matter to me because I'm priced out bad and there's no way I could afford to live there.
Costa Rica: I don't know too much about it, but it seems that the locals are fed up of all the expats ruining the place so it might not be a good idea.
So in general, I would consider moving, but I'd expect to see a drastic difference in quality of life in case of WW3, for example, certain death in Italy and ability to survive in the Azores. If I'd die or struggle either way, I don't think it's worth it. What are your thoughts on this?
Move to south east asia, nothing notable enough to be targeted and you can live off very little
but anon, they're literal shitholes with non-existing healthcare and high crime rates. Not that Italy is far better, but I'm not sure if it's worth it
Taiwan is pretty nice I hear.
Taiwan will be like the first place nuked
Don't be ridiculous. Heavily bombed, yes, but the communists wouldn't nuke it.
stop shitting yourself. russia doesnt have working ICBMs anymore.
I'd agree with this. You'd be doing yourself a great disservice if you uprooted your life for some ridiculous overblown scaremongering.
I would like to have a constructive argument about the actual probability that nukes will be used, and if they're enough to cause substantial impact to the population. For what I understand, the elites are envising a world with less people, less pollution and more organized cities. Nuclear war to decimate the population and to have "better" cities rebuilt, would fit this scope. They won't have to worry about the environmental conseguences because they all have nice bunkers afterall. So for how I see it, 8 billion of peoples consuming and littering the planet is something they care about stopping and I am suspecting they are willing to resort to anything to fullfill their plans.
If you're talking about conspiracy theories, at least adopt one that's somewhat plausible. Most governments are propped up on the assumption of an ever growing tax base and a shrinking / aging population is the last thing they want given the worldwide reaction to the current demo trends.
Regardless, though, think about this from an odds perspective. Lots can go wrong in your life but you will never prepare for every scenario. So pick one that will be *most likely* to happen to you. Personally, my choice of "most likely bad scenario" is pretty simple: extended long term unemployment. And I think most people's bad scenario is probably pretty similar. So prepare for that and let go of the rest. Just my 2 cents
It is for this reason, and Im not even anti gun, I dont understand peolle thinking they need guns for home defense.
Like of all things to put your money towards to keep your family safe and secure, if youre going statistically, this is extremely low on the list.
Also kinda makes things worse for you. If someone breaks in your house they want to grab and go and dont want to kill you. Pull a gun, and if they have one, now youre in a shootout you might lose.
Yea, the stats on gun use is pretty grim. By far the largest cause of gun death is suicide. If you're armed you're far more likely to be shot/killed in an altercation if your assailant is armed. If you have kids, their chances of being shot are astronomically higher. It all goes in the wrong direction. Anyway, think of the 80 20 rule and just prepare for that 80 percent
Yeah man. Like i said I get it if its a hobby or you just like guns.
But when I hear "self defense" I hear "I am extremely illiterate."
Yes. Get a nice baseball bat. It doesn't jam. There's no chance of collateral damage. It doesn't require much / any training. Doesn't need ammo. Doesn't need licenses. Doesn't need maintenance. Doesn't need to be stored carefully. The list goes on and on
Spears.
Theres a reason they were the main weapon in every army and swords died.
I watched a thing with some larpers learning actual sword martial arts and shit, and as an experiment went up against no bodies with spears. Wiped t out every time. Very easy and very effective weapon.
lol, anyway, let's not have this degenerate into a home defense thread. OP, point being, prepare for your most likely bad scenario. Think about what that will be.
Worst case scenario is the financial system collapses and my investments are rendered useless, I have over 400k in stocks
I said "most likely bad scenario" not worst case. Stocks going to zero probably doesn't qualify. But if you actually want to prepare for that, I'd say start putting more money into non-stock assets like real estate, maybe a *tiny* bit into precious metals, probably some govt bonds too.
Agreed
So use a portion of that money and buy gold and store it somewhere extremely safe and accessible (preferably not at home. Youre near Switzerland arent you??)
Other than that, natural disasters and power outages are your biggest threat. I cannot see the global economy failing *so much* that your nest egg would be useless. Thats some shit for thriller novels. A cataclysmic global economic collapse thay leaves everyone totally fricked just isnt likely dude.
Like even in history when they talk about civilization "collapses" it isnt like rome was on fire one day and vanished from existance. There was a power transfer and life went on and rome didnt own the world anymore. People still lived their lives and markets continued and it stayed a pretty decent place to live compared to others.
Same would.happen for us. Cool China takes over the world and the US is no longer the global superpower in 50 years. Your life will stay more or less the same outside of the fact yohr kids may see professional benefit in learning mandarin.
Oh and yeah, readily available on amazon. Looked into it. They have collapsible ones for "hunting"
>it seems that the locals are fed up of all the expats ruining the place
Some white immigration would be a nice change of pace for them at this point. Should be fine if you want to move there.
Move to a remote location in North Dakota or Wyoming, buy some land, build a bunker
>build a bunker
I wasn't born to live undergrounds like a rat, I'd rather kms when the 1st nuke drops
>I want to survive WW3
>I don't want to take the necessary steps to survive it
ngmi
It's not that hard, literally just make a 100sqft bunker with electricity, a fridge, stockpile rice and water
The hard part is moving to the US.
You only need to be in a bunker for a week tops. Most of the radiation dissipates within 48 hours.
Man I could get deep into this but ill tldr:
There is not likely to be a ww3
There is less likely to ever be a nuclear war
Its generally a bad idea to nuke an opponent because the global political fallout (lol pun) the fact any resources in the area are exceptionally important to global trade (that includes your country) and ruining that land is a huge shot in the knee as now you cant even exploit it should you win, and finally, even if another country were to use nuclear weapons, theyd be more precision, smaller and tactical and theyd target strictly military targets.
It is in general a horrible idea to kill civilians. Its extremely costly, creates martyrs, creates insurgencies, and creates a dogmatically hateful enemy.
You do not need to worry about a nuclear war if youre a civilian. There are many other reasons to prep for emergency, at least 2 weeks, but nuclear bombs isnt one of them. And any country at all strong enough to get so far as invading Italy will be tactically intelligent enough to know not to kill civilians. You as a civilian are generally safe from global wars.
Im sure youve heard many people fleeing ukraine are men, and not women and children. Theres a reason for that. If youte a woman or child, odds of being killed are lottery low. Youre not a target. If youre a man, odds are high. Cause youll be drafted. Even in that conflict against Russia, one of our biggest enemies, aside from a few missiles, some targeted, some oopsie daisies, the grand vast huge majority of civilians are left alone.
>There are many other reasons to prep for emergency
Like what?
>If youre a man, odds are high.
Thankfully I'm undraftable due to health problems, I have a BMI of 18 and the bare minimum allowed is 20.
How the frick do I "make one"? I don't have a garden and even if I did the neighbours would definitely be able to tell and this kinda defeats the purpose. I do have a underground basement made out of concrete which I guess it's still better than nothing.
The most likely by a long shot thing youre gonna encounter in life thatll require prepping is a long term power outage. Lots of people died in texas over this a few yeaes back when they got hit with a winter storm and the power grid coildnt handle demand. People died.
Natural disasters, weather, supply line interruptions. Very real things that actually do happen, sometimes places people never expected that would actually require you to have a stockpile to last on for at least a few days, and up to a few weeks.
Global Humanitarian aid is usually faster than a few weeks though.
What about Switzerland? You can own guns there I think. I guess it's difficult to get the nationality. But it's a neutral country too so if war starts they won't get hit.
My nw is 1/4 mill and I could live there for like 2 years tops. You have no idea how incredibly expensive it is.
What about crossbows?
Its a great question but you must account for the fact if a home intruder expected you to have a crossbow n opted for a really high quality chain mail its basically not going to have the same effect.
Sucks to suck, loser.
>azores
Is not self sufficient. Doesn’t have enough water to sustain the agriculture for all of its population. And from what is used, almost all of it comes from subterranean aquifers whose flow can lower if used in excess.
Also, the base there is pretty damn important. It’s where the headquarters of NATO surveillance apparatus is located and is an important refueling station. Madeira and Canaries are safer in this regard. But madeira has an even worse water scarcity issuez
>new zealand
Chinese area of control.
>Costa Rica
Has the issues you listed and is pretty close to cartel hotspots that can go wild when shtf.
So literally where?
You're moronic dude. Just say you don't like Italy and want to find greener pastures without sounding like a schizo.
Also, assuming an M.A.D. situation happens, the only places that won't get nuked are small shithole islands or the fricking Gobi Desert. Even if you're lucky enough to be there the nukes will cut off the supply like so instead of just dying instantly from the fireball you'll just starve to death instead.
Is that really better?
You can always try to survive fishing, hunting and things like that.
Nukes are FAKE
Watch the documentary:
https://odysee.com/@Got42d:3/The-Nuclear-Scare-Scam---Galen-Winsor-eats-uranium-to-prove-its-_harmless_:5
> physic professor who toured arround the USA in the 70s made presentations proving Uranium and radiation is literally overblow, to get it out of regular peoples hands since ist pretty easy to use for almost free energy.
He also explains the properties of certain radiation.
For example alpha radiation is just producing helium.
It can't even penetrate paper.
Radiators from radium which emit heat without energy imput can be radiactivly isolatey by putting it in a thin aluminum Box.
But they wanted to get it out of consumers hands since they can't require money from you for that.
So then every radioactive material became dangerous.
Which people did not buy sind they knew in the 50s that only polonium and Kobalt isotopes produce radiation which can affect the human beeing.
Then they created the Nuke scam. Cheap energy will be impossible because of that.
> THAT TIME FIVE GUYS STOOD AT GROUND ZERO WHILE A NUKE DETONATED OVERHEAD.
https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/07/16/156851175/five-men-agree-to-stand-directly-under-an-exploding-nuclear-bomb
> archived: https://archive.is/z8Vcf
Im a contractor and sometikes work in nuclear power plants..
Do you have any idea what a costly logistical nightmare it is meeting health standards for lifetime radiation exposure is for the government and workers and plant managers?
Your conspiracy is silly as all fricking hell, but also easily debunked by willful ignorance to the real world cost and bullshit around actually dealing with nuclear materials. Like there's an actual shortage of skilled workers in nuclear because of how little you can expose people to radiation before it becomes a massive problem for health insurance companies and government if your country has health care so it has to be limited.
Thats the biggest problem with your tinfoik hat shit. "Hurr they cant make enough money so they lied" well their little lie costs billions upon billions a year to uphold.
I need you to ask yourself an honest question for the sake of your own intelligence.
Would you literally believe anyone and anything that vaguely says "They lied about *x* to make money on *y*" when you know nothing about what theyre talking about or if thats feasibly plausibly true? Cause thats a big problem with establishing the reality you live in if thats all it takes.
Watch the videos before you reply you moronic normie npc. Did you also know somebody who died at Sandy Hook by any chance?
Nobody is gonna nuke italy unless we have a lot of extras laying around
>expats ruining the place
Maybe these chuds need to take in a few million refugees