If I only want to travel to experience different geography and outdoor activities with no desire to experience different cultures, is there any reason to travel outside of the United States? I can’t really think of any geography that isn’t here if you include all of its territories.
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Outside of the US, you can see things for much cheaper and with less Americans around
Yeah, but American culture is number one.
Yeah, definitely stay in America. You can delete this thread now
Came in this thread to say this, you'd be amazed at the cheap (train-accessible) places in Europe and Japan that have amazing nature and no one around, especially in the winter. When you want to visit somewhere geographically interesting in the US, you have to make a whole trip out of it or it isn't worth it.
In Europe, you can take a ~$15 flight from any major city to Milan, take an $8 train to Lecco and go frick around in the Alps. Or you really love the Scottish countryside, so you again take a double-digit flight to Glasgow, a double-digit train to some bumfrick town and pitch your tent literally wherever you want due to right to roam laws (which also exist in Scandinavia). Or you could splurge and visit the Canarias and spend [pic rel] and see a huge range of biodiversity, along with kickass volcanoes and beaches, then go back to whatever depressing Nordic country you're from.
>America's nature is hard to access
Good. Nature should be tough.
homie thinks he's edmund hilary by having to drive 10 hours on a straight road to where he wants to go
in europe, when you develop something, you consider nature
in america, when you develop something, nature considers you
we are not the same
Europe doesn’t develop anything for starters wow another train!
I don't think there's any reason to leave _California_, much less the US.
If you weren’t just baiting, I can imagine that you might still like to travel to see specific natural features. It’s true that the US has a great diversity of landscapes, but perhaps you might like to see a particular mountain range, or some such thing? And just because the US has an example of most natural features or biomes somewhere within its territories doesn’t necessarily mean the US has the *best* versions of all of them—there are more impressive rainforests or cloud forests elsewhere, much bigger mangrove forests, taller mountain ranges, bigger deserts, et cetera.
And of course there are lots of plant and animal species that outdoorsy types who don’t care about culture might consider worth traveling for.
But it’s not that relevant, given that you’re not serious. Stay in America forever, by all means, if that is really your jam. But maybe come back here with real travel questions next time.
Honestly not really any too good of a reason to leave unless you have to see the biggest or most stunning like says. But, having been in the Alps and seen the Himalayas, I honestly didn’t think they were much more impressive than seeing the Tetons or some other nice domestic ranges (I won’t say which ones because I don’t want you to ruin them).
While some third world countries might have bigger or more stunning features than the US (likely only marginally so), you do have the security of knowing that you are in the US which has enforced laws and better safety for tourists. Sure the beaches and women in Brazil might be pretty, but I don’t have to worry about a favela monkey trying to rob me at gun point or pick pocket me as soon as I step foot outside the hotel in a US beach town.
Some scenery can actually be cheaper to visit in a foreign country than in the US as
says. For example, while the United States does have South Pacific atolls and some uninhabited motus that you visit, I see it’s actually often cheaper to fly to French Polynesia and book cruising charters around the islands than if you were there to find plane tickets and island jumpers to Marshall islands. The Mariana and Samoa aren’t too bad to get to, but those are more so volcanic islands like Hawaii which are a different geography than tropical atolls. Palmyra I believe is restricted to researchers only.
I'm in Dakhla right now wingfoiling. It's in Morocco but it's actually the shoreline desert of Wester Sahara. No real cultural intrusions, mostly French speaking but also English spoken widely. If you want to learn wind sports, this is mecca. Some nice resorts with meals included. Getting ready to go to dinner in an hour. Great in the winter, not too crowded and warm weather. Big sand storm today, definitely different type of geography than you can experience in the US. Closest thing to it would be something like Black Rock Desert in Nevada, but no surfing there (just rockets and Burning Man). 1 month here (food included) about $3.5k for a bungalow.
Yeah, would recommend South America.
Argentina in particular.
Food in Argentina is also pretty western, so you don't even have to be fed rice for every meal like you would in other third world countries.
Why did you attach Concerned Pepe with this? What are you worried about? I wish I was content with just staying in America, but I'd pick the Namib over the Mojave, the Himalayas over the Rockies, the Pantanal over the Everglades...if you are content then just be content? What's the problem?
I mean if you really want to spend more money and see the same boring chain stores everywhere...American cities are very soulless. So maybe that will convince you...but I think less tourism is good so I won't convince you.
I would call that neutral pepe or clueless pepe
there's no real reason to leave the US, but you are definitely missing out
in particular, Japanese bamboo forests and Mount Fuji felt like another world
Yes, I only really travel to Greece because I have family there.
If you want to say get mountain biking lessons you could get them for much cheaper in Greece. I think I paid like 50 Euros for every 2 hour lesson with Ride Greece ( https://www.ride-greece.com/contact-us/ ). In the USA it would cost much, much more. And since I went in the off season during November-December I had one on one instruction.
I also had scuba diving lesson and instruction on Rhodes with Waterhoppers ( https://www.waterhoppers.com/ ). I think I paid like 80 Euros if I remember right for two dives and I had an instructor all to myself since it was November-December.
So just the cost savings could make traveling abroad cheaper.