If you had three weeks to travel in the area circled in red, where would you definitely not miss?

If you had three weeks to travel in the area circled in red, where would you definitely not miss?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The wife and I are going in July, and we are deciding where to fly into and which stops to make.
    We’ve enjoyed lots of road tripping across the USA (see pic), but this will be our first international trip.
    I know from experience that the big popular tourist destination cities aren’t always the best. For example, Santa Fe, Charleston, Asheville, and Fort Worth were my favorite places to visit in the USA rather than Denver or LA. I suspect it’s the same in Europe.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, image doesn't include our trip from Reno across and up the west coast to Seattle.
      Should I brush up on my college German before the trip? Or will English be mostly fine?
      Should we rent a car and drive? Or is public transportation good enough?
      I like breweries, interesting museums, classical, medieval, and renaissance history.
      My wife likes wine, hiking, cute coffee shops, and impressive nature.
      This area is obviously too much to see in a single three-week trip, so advice is appreciated.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Should I brush up on my college German before the trip? Or will English be mostly fine?
        English will generally be OK in Germany, Austria, and “German”-speaking Switzerland, but you might as well brush up on German if you can actually speak it.
        >Should we rent a car and drive? Or is public transportation good enough?
        Varies a bit by country, and depends at least a little on how rural vs. urban you want to get, but will say that public transit here in Switzerland is excellent. For most people there’s no need for a car unless you’re specifically interested in enjoying scenic drives, for which there are multiple good options. But there are scenic train trips as well.

        Cars are good for very loose schedules and out-of-the-way destinations, but in or between major towns and cities they’re not worth it.

        If you decide to come to Switzerland, most people will suggest avoiding, or at least not focusing on, the cities; there’s an argument to be made for this, as scenic mountains may be more impressive than extremely expensive, not necessarily all that interesting tiny little urban centers. I don’t think there’s much reason for a tourist to go to either Zürich or Geneva, although neither is a bad place; they’re just rather dull and extremely pricey compared to other European cities. Bern’s OK for a day, with an attractive little old center and a pretty nice natural setting, as well as being a place to stop off en route to nearby Bernese Oberland mountain vistas; Luzern is likewise kind of nice and has some hikes/scenery just outside of town. Lausanne, on your list, is arguably nicer than Geneva for a tourist if you want some French-speaking Switzerland.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a starting point, here are the places we are considering visiting:

    Germany:
    >Freiburg im Breisgau
    >Black Forest
    >Stuttgart
    >Ulm
    >Augsburg
    >Schloss Neuschwanstein
    >Ingolstadt
    >Regensburg
    >Munich
    >Berchtesgaden
    Switzerland:
    >Geneva
    >Lausanne
    >Bern
    >Lucerne
    >Zurich
    >Lauterbrunnen
    >Zermatt
    >Jungfraujoch
    >Lugano
    Austria:
    >Bregenz
    >Innsbruck
    >Kitzbuhel
    >Salzburg
    >Salzkammergut
    >Linz
    >Vienna
    >Ganz
    >Klagenfurt
    Czech Republic:
    >Plzen
    >Cesky Krumlov
    >Brno
    >Olomouc
    >Ostrava
    Slovakia:
    >Bratislava
    >High Tatras
    >Vlkolinec
    >Banska Stiavnica
    Poland:
    >Zakopane
    >Krakow
    >Katowice
    >Wroclaw
    >Swidnica
    Hungary:
    >Budapest
    >Pecs
    >Lake Balaton
    Slovenia:
    >Ljubljana
    >Bled
    >Bohinj
    >Bovec
    >Postojna
    >Skocjan
    >Piran
    Croatia:
    >Pula
    >Rovinj
    >Plitvice Lakes
    >Rijeka
    >Zagreb
    Italy:
    >Bressanone Brixen
    >Cortina d’Ampezzo
    >Bolzano
    >Trento
    >Sondrio
    >Rovereto
    >Milan
    >Verona
    >Padua
    >Venice
    >Udine
    >Turin
    >Mantua
    >Trieste
    >Genoa
    >Bologna

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3 weeks for all this
      wow you'll get to visit each place for 27minutes. Well done.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're either stupid or intentionally misconstruing OP.
        If you're just stupid, it's obvious that those places are only considerations, and the goal of this thread is to narrow down what's actually worth visiting.
        If you're intentionally misconstruing, frick off

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          ok homosexual, he listed 10 countries. If he stopped in only 2 cities in each country listed that would be 20 of his 21 alloted days. Do you consider that traveling?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you putting arbitrary numbers on OP's trip? Did he say he wanted to see two cities in each country? No, he didn't. In fact, he even said

            Yeah the more I look at it, the more I think skipping Switzerland might be the right call.
            [...]
            The transfer bus looks neat, thanks for the recommendation. There's another one from Prague to Vienna, but I'm thinking we may want a full night in Brno. The train from Vienna to Venice runs through all the stops we would want to do in Austria and Italy - Linz, Salzburg, Innsbruck, Trento, Verona.
            Plan as of now is to fly into Stuttgart, do a daytrip to Strasbourg and another to Heidelberg, then Munich, then the transfer bus to Prague.

            here that he's skipping Switzerland.
            You being intentionally dense is egregious. Consider your life choices and what led you to become this thick.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He literally never said to stop in each country moron

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Switzerland: Lucerne, Bern, Lugano
    Italy: Venezia
    Liechtenstein: Vaduz
    Austria: Salzburg, Halstatt, Linz, Wien
    Germany: Munchen, Berchtesgaden

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Verona (take a day if just visiting, but it's paradise), Venice, Vienna. I'd say Bratislava but it's more neat that necessary. Since you'll be there in July, Lecco might be nice, but I'm sure anons here can recommend better Italian lake/mountain cities. Turin is nice and has a French layout, lots of museums and was the capitol of Italy's predecessor, Sardinia-Piedmont. I don't personally think Genoa is very good for tourism but it's not a bad city, you'd probably wanna go down the coast to La Spezia. Milan bad. Other than that can't think of Italian cities I can vouch for, though Ferrara sounds nice and I'd like to go to Trieste for the culture mix/history.

      Seems like consensus is to skip Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Croatia.
      Could be a separate trip, I agree.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm the Italy guy - I've never been to the countries I didn't mention, just wanted to give my north Italy expertise

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not skip but you have selected a large area across probably a dozen countries on a modern map. You need to narrow it down a lot and give some idea of what kind of reasons you would pick to visit one place over another. Regardless, definitely come up with a plan that optimises the travelling between places according to whatever your aim is. There is a flixbus overnight from Venice to Lucerne which can save you a nights hotel cost in Switzerland. The flixbus from Zurich to Munich is several times cheaper than the train and almost the same duration. There is a transfer tour between Munich and Prague which is a full day but stops off in Regensburg, Plzen and Karlstejn, if your goal is to see as much as possible in a short duration...

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Both regions are full of highlights and beauty, especially for a road trip so just chose one. The other is a great second trip.
        In both the absolute highlights are not the A/B tier cities but rather the D or even E list of smaller cities down to towns/villages you wouldn't reach or see on a city trip without going way out of your way.
        You can always catch a cheap flight to Frankfurt/Zurich/Munich/Vienna/Geneva/Milano, spend 3-4 days there and add another "big city" to a 7-10 day trip as they're at most something like 8h train or 1h flight apart.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Verona (take a day if just visiting, but it's paradise), Venice, Vienna. I'd say Bratislava but it's more neat that necessary. Since you'll be there in July, Lecco might be nice, but I'm sure anons here can recommend better Italian lake/mountain cities. Turin is nice and has a French layout, lots of museums and was the capitol of Italy's predecessor, Sardinia-Piedmont. I don't personally think Genoa is very good for tourism but it's not a bad city, you'd probably wanna go down the coast to La Spezia. Milan bad. Other than that can't think of Italian cities I can vouch for, though Ferrara sounds nice and I'd like to go to Trieste for the culture mix/history.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh didn't notice some on your list:
      >Mantua
      I love this lil place but it's small. It's the birthplace of Virgil so the most enjoyment you'll get there is a nice walk by the riverside larping as the poet
      >Bologna
      It's more of a university town, not sure it's worth a visit unless you're sending a kid there or wanna party with Italians
      >Trento
      Very very cute, it's probably the exact same and Lugano so pick one or the other

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Route 1 (Italy Focus):
    Budapest > Bratislava > Vienna > Venice > Verona > Lecco > Turin > La Spezia
    Route 2 (Alps Focus):
    Vienna > Linz > Munich > Berchtesgaden > Salzburg > Hallstatt > Venice > Verona > Trento > Vaduz > Lucerne > Bern

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    For cities you already got a lot of great suggestions but it's a road trip so I would include the scenic routes and plan around them instead of going the fastest way from A to Z or just move from city to city.
    >https://www.epikdrives.com/best-drives
    Is a pretty good list.

    Other good not so int. known suggestions including some gems:
    Germany:
    Towards Frankfurt:
    Aschaffenburg and the Spessart region
    Würzburg
    Stuttgart region
    Entire Black Forrest region
    (If you are in the region around Freiburg hopp over to Strasbourg and Colmar, it's France but lel)
    Lake Constanz region:
    Konstanz, Insel Mainau and Reichenau and Meersburg
    Munich region:
    Herrsching, Stanberg, Tegernsee (Rottach Egern)
    Towards Austria
    Chimsee, Passau

    Austria:
    Salzburg:
    The lakes towrds Gmunden
    Kärnten:
    Velden am Wörthersee
    Bad Kleinkirchheim
    (It's Slovenia but if you're in the are of Villach it's a quick hop: Kranjska Gora)
    Vienna region:
    Naturpark Leiserberge
    Vorarlberg:
    Sankt Anton am Arlberg
    Bregenzerwald

    Switzerland:
    Schaffhausen
    Herisau
    Glarus
    Vale Müstair
    Adelboden
    Les Diablerets
    Region around Delémont the city itself kinda sucks

    Italy:
    Como
    Meran (look up Chiesa di Santa Caterina, trust me)
    Abano
    Lake Garda area
    Livigno/Bormeo

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    are you a time traveler? I'd say Munich, maybe you meet Hitler

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      lol yeah I realize the map is not modern, but I wanted greyscale with no country names for aesthetics. my b

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    HR Giger Museum
    Zürich
    Grindelwald
    Lauterbrunnen
    Basel maybe idk much
    Liechtenstein
    Stuttgart
    Porsche factory if tours
    Dolomites
    Vienna
    Hitlers Eaglenest
    Ulm cathedral
    Schwarzwald
    Caves in slovenia
    Lake Lugano or konstanz idk
    Heidelberg is beautiful apparently

    Tf is in slovakia and Hungary besides Lunik ix and the Budapest Parlament house tbh

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Basel maybe idk much
      The Basel area has a bunch of excellent museums and art galleries, but it’s not much of a tourist destination otherwise. Most people find it dull, many, even some locals, consider it ugly (there’s a very pretty little medieval center, or technically two of them, opposite one another across the Rhine, but the old town is tiny, and there are a bunch of industrial areas and a lot of dull, modernist, commieblock-esque neighborhoods, such as pic related, where I live).

      I give it a 9/10 as a place to live and work, but wouldn’t bother coming as a visitor unless I was already in the area.

      I love Switzerland, but there’s honestly not much here that a neighboring country can’t offer at half the price.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah the more I look at it, the more I think skipping Switzerland might be the right call.

        Not skip but you have selected a large area across probably a dozen countries on a modern map. You need to narrow it down a lot and give some idea of what kind of reasons you would pick to visit one place over another. Regardless, definitely come up with a plan that optimises the travelling between places according to whatever your aim is. There is a flixbus overnight from Venice to Lucerne which can save you a nights hotel cost in Switzerland. The flixbus from Zurich to Munich is several times cheaper than the train and almost the same duration. There is a transfer tour between Munich and Prague which is a full day but stops off in Regensburg, Plzen and Karlstejn, if your goal is to see as much as possible in a short duration...

        The transfer bus looks neat, thanks for the recommendation. There's another one from Prague to Vienna, but I'm thinking we may want a full night in Brno. The train from Vienna to Venice runs through all the stops we would want to do in Austria and Italy - Linz, Salzburg, Innsbruck, Trento, Verona.
        Plan as of now is to fly into Stuttgart, do a daytrip to Strasbourg and another to Heidelberg, then Munich, then the transfer bus to Prague.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would stay in the Monte Rosa and Gran Paradiso area. Don't even care about the rest

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    i grew up in Heidelberg and it's a cool medieval town

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funny mid-war map you've got there. Anyway, you can safely limit yourself to the blue area. The green are the areas I'd visit if I had a single 3 week trip to Europe, and can be done by trains without needing a car.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Budapest > Vienna > Salzburg > Munich > ??? > Venice

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually looks like it's Venice > Ferrara/Ravenna/Bologna, not sure which

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >where would you definitely not miss?
    The airport, to catch the flight home.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't miss Genovia. Small country, beautiful royal family. Great pears.

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