If you had to choose a western metropolis to move to as a young man, which one would it be?

If you had to choose a western metropolis to move to as a young man, which one would it be? I'm thinking of either London or New York but I'd like to get some inputs, thoughts, and first hand experiences from trvanons

  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    London isn't what people seem to think it is. People often seem to put it in the same bracket as New York and Tokyo as some high flying metropolis with skyscrapers and constant happenings, when in reality it’s a mostly flat amalgamation of small, boring residential neighbourhoods that adds up to a Greater London with a few interesting areas in the centre.

    Don’t be mistaken, London has a lot going for it as a historic city with a lot of points of interest that I suggest literally everyone checking out. Big modern metropolis though? London just isn’t it in my opinion.

    I have a friend who’s lucky enough to live in an apartment on a extremely affluent street in Central London. 2 bedroom apartments there reaching 10k USD per month if not more and I’ve been lucky enough to stay there quite a few times. The neighbourhood is still a massive massive shithole in parts somehow which I don’t understand and the only selling point is being close to lots of good bars and pubs that attract a lot of people from all over the place. You’ll meet Americans, Colombians, Eastern Europeans, Australians, hell even the odd English person here or there.

    Honestly, if I could pick any London would be far, far down on my list. Sydney, New York or Madrid spring to mind as good options.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Author?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          it should be "don't be a dick pete" by stuart heritage

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t understand what he’s getting at with the responsibility free student lifestyle bit? These people are 9 to 5 office workers, are they not?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They still live like students. They don't marry, they don't start families, they don't start a home, they don't move out on their own or with a partner, they don't belong to a community of anything more than other students. These people are well into their 40s and 50s and continue to live like this.
          They seem ok with it, but it's not for me.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >standing up straight and looking the world in the eye
        You can absolutely tell a retard boomer wrote this complete drivel

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        some of this was funny

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I found the wikipedia article on cities by number of skyscrapers useful (I sorted into descending western cities only):
      >(Hong Kong 518)
      >(Shenzhen 343)
      >NYC 300
      >(Tokyo 166)
      >Chicago 133
      >Toronto 76
      >Melbourne 67
      >Miami 58
      >Houston 40
      >Sydney 39
      >London 30
      >LA 27
      So really in the western world the only true metropolis is NYC. Then Chicago. Then the rest. Basically nowhere is europe is a metropolis, this poster is right. Compare picrel to an aerial view of London and it just looks like a giant shitty suburban neighbourhood. The strength in European cities is in their stylistic charm, which is only found in a few and definitely not London.

      This thread interested me as I'm sometimes attracted by the thought of being swallowed whole in the collective. All the world is headed this way. Urban sprawl is a constant reminder. Sometimes I feel I'd rather live in the centre of all the disease rather than where it is slowly trickling in and ruining everything.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >here's your london bro

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the number of skyscrapers decides whether a city is a metropolis or not

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he wants to live like a bugman
        Sad!

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes cause living like a mutt where you have to take your car everywhere is so much better. No wonder you mutts are so fat.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The strength in European cities is in their stylistic charm, which is only found in a few and definitely not London.
        Which cities would you say this applies to?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Certain parts of paris (though its mostly shithole now), Prague, multiple northern italian cities

          Dresden is one of the most underappreciated cities and one of the most beautiful cities in all of Europe

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I've always felt jealous of the actual huge metropolis type cities like New York. I live in London and our skyline and city is just kinda...meh.

      But I grow to love it as I get older. There are some really nice areas around zones 4,5 and 6. I live in zone 6 and I get a mix of kind of the village feel but only 30 min from the centre.

      Not the best looking people tho lol, and I always laugh when people say nightlife here is good.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Not the best looking people tho lol, and I always laugh when people say nightlife here is good.

        I’m ugly as fuck and still get none here so welp.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >My historic city of literal thousands of years of history & cheap, quick + easy access to the rest of Europe doesn't have enough globo-homo skyscrapers
        Lets switch places.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, imagine thinking a seperate character from 20/21st century glass and steel hellholes means it isnt a metropolis. New york will never even come close to the global importance of london.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Delusional

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        From london here. You’re delusional.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        New york is literally the most important city in the world you fat delusional football watching moron

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's probably Los Angeles for the propaganda it puts out t b h.

          You fat, delusional, football-watching moron.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      London is by the far the most interesting place with the most to do of those options. I'd say Tokyo runs a very close second in terms of things to do though and maybe ahead for nightlife, you will be starved of western culture in Tokyo though and you will be working 12 hours a day. The English start work at 9pm and are 3 drinks deep by 6pm, they don't know the meaning of over time.

      Agree heavily regarding property. I payed a premium to stay in South Kensington and the same vaping muslims, blacks looking to rob people, coalburners and other desirables still owned the neighborhood just like any other

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        But England is gives a lot of importance to appearance and prestige so I don't think you would have any problems moving into social circles or attracting women.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nowhere is going to be like New York. Just telling you that now. Even in its post-Rudy Yuppie Disneyland phase its vastly more authentic and gritty than any of its contemporaries. Even more so than somewhere like Chicago.

    The two runners up are Paris, which is a much maligned place on this board but ultimately hasn't fully embraced post-modernist globo-homo soullessness, and Berlin.

    San Francisco is not so bad if you can afford it. A lot of the shittier people have left due to the coof. You have to deal with California, but other than that you could do a lot worse. Its certainly the prettiest of these major cities.

    I have no issues with London but am not super enthusiastic about it either. Maybe a personal thing? Same kinda goes for Montreal. Really interesting places to visit, not so keen on living there...but at the same time I think if I had the right job and the right friends/girlfriend I could find myself loving it.

    Sydney and Melbourne are cool but pretty sterile. Like off-brand America.

    Avoid Los Angeles and doubly so avoid Auckland. Toronto is barely worth visiting even.

    As far as I'm concerned that's the list of major western metropolises, anything else is either small or pretty bland If you wanna make money yeah go ahead move to Ruhrgebeit or Dallas, but I'm not calling those places major metropolises. Even including Auckland is a stretch, but NZ has achieved a place in the world that entitles it to spot for consideration (the rest of the country except for Auckland is pretty great). I guess if you want POWER RANKINGS its:

    >1 NYC
    >2 Paris
    >3 Berlin
    >4 San Francisco
    >5 Chicago
    >6 London
    power gap
    >7 Montreal
    >8 Sydney/Melbourne
    power gap
    >9 LA
    >10 Auckland
    power gap
    >irrelevant tier Toronto

    fwiw I consider Rome and Madrid different than these cities in profound ways. Not saying they are worse or better, but they are different in their character and opportunities they present.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      as for Rome I would personally consider Milan to be the only city resembling a metropolis in Italy

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with a lot of this, but I would say Toronto is like the opposite of what you say about London and Montreal. Toronto is not worth visiting, but it is a nice place to live.

      I am biased because I moved here a few years ago, but I find Toronto is actually a comfy blank slate of a big city. All the convenience of a big metropolis but without the downsides. It's a safe, clean place to be. I like that, but it is a bit soulless.

      Good thread.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Toronto is not worth visiting, but it is a nice place to live.
        Until the prices jump up, which they have been. Most young professionals can't even afford a 1 bedroom apartment in the suburbs anymore, especially if they want to live alone.
        >a safe, clean place
        It's gotten much less safe over the past 5 years and will be even worse when the economic depression hits.
        >t. Born and raised Torontonian

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      New York and New Yorkers are soft as fuck these days

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you ‘hard’? Do you prefer hard people?

        Anyway, western society in general has become ‘soft’. If you live among the non-rich in nyc for a while (you can eventually graduate to becoming rich yourself, many do) and try visiting ANY other American city… you’d feel differently. Everywhere else, people are fat, purposeless, bored, and easily offended

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I come from a dumpy shipbuilding town in Virginia. I cringe internally whenever I hear New Yorkers talk about how rough and gritty the city is, like it's still the 1980s. New York is actually safer than the US average. Whatever ethos the ity used to have is gone. All that's left if it is people poorly imitating their impression of the past. It is extremely fake and gay.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Whatever ethos the ity used to have is gone.
            so nyc's ethos is just being violent and unsafe like it was back in the 70s and 80s?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I swear it's like New Yorkers think they live in a Martin Scorsese movie

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >vastly more authentic and gritty
      who the fuck wants to live in a "gritty" place? this should be counted against NYC, if anything

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >vastly more authentic and gritty than any of its contemporaries
      Shut the fuck up holy shit lol

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >vastly more authentic and gritty than any of its contemporaries.
      Ahahah, wow, we're reaching levels of naivete never thought possible.
      The reality is, all the "authentic" has been priced-out of Manhattan and then curb-stomped by the pandemic restrictions. Give it a few more years, even places like Katz will give up. Places like Queens and Brooklyn won't be far behind either, not when even the shittiest, unlivable horror-show of a home goes for almost $1M.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      imagine putting shitholes paris and berlin above london. complete retard detected

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      you've never been to any of them if that is your list lmao

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If you had to choose a western metropolis to move to as a young man
    I wouldn't.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you need to work for a living? If you do, would you need to get a local job?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Do you need to work for a living?
      yeah definitely
      >If you do, would you need to get a local job?
      not necessarily, I'm about to get a degree in computer science so remote working is not out of the question

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    New York seems like a more extreme version of London. More degeneracy, more crime, higher rent, more luxury. I’d take London or even better, Edinburgh.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both are absolute shit to live in anymore

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Right now probably London or Paris. New York is not great at the moment.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Western metropolises are for young women. As a young man, you are at the absolute bottom of the totem pole, and you'll only sink underground if you go somewhere like Manhattan.

    What you need is a frontier, not a job as an intern for someone's assistant's shoeshiner. That means either going somewhere where you are rare, or where it's rare to go. In rarity is scarcity, in scarcity, value. It could be an oil rig. It could be a New Guinea mining operation. Get some kind of skill that makes you indispensable somewhere in the world; if your career ladder starts with barista, there's no second rung.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This a fantasy

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's called finding your niche. Your niche is not a Friends episode.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You will find out anon is right about this. Hopefully, not too late to act upon it.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you only you knew. I know first-hand this is a fantasy. He is wrong.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This only applies to brainlets. Study compsci or another hard science/STEM, become a programmer, and enjoy a very high standard of living in any major metropolis. That all said probably London? New york seems hard even if you are wealthy.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're still going to be in a corporate environment that treats you like a wageslave (which fair enough, you are a wageslave) and doesn't even feel compelled to pander to you the way it does women/minorities. its an alienating experience, one everyone should go through but also be willing to leave.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. It applies perfectly to those people. Rural doctors have higher income than urban doctors, especially if they have a very distant and isolated practice. Programmers can work remotely from a villa in a third world country while their peers share an apartment in a major city.

        There's something to be said for career paths that involve schmoozing, which can't be done remotely or without face-to-face contact with the people whose money you're taking, but they're not as straightforward as:
        Get skill, sell skill where most in demand (or from wherever has lowest cost of living if remote).

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          isn't there any merit to the opportunities a city can grant a person not just as a worker but as a human being living there? talking about cultural events, concerts, food variety, cinemas, more shops, more people (hence probably more interesting people, and more possibilities to find romance or friendship), the possibility that your children won't have to leave you to move half the world apart to get a degree and a job, and whatnot

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like all of those things, but life requires more than that.

            If you and your girlfriend live in a studio apartment and are capable of thinking more than ten minutes into the future, you will use birth control. You would hold off on having children until it became possible to rent at least a one-bedroom apartment, and that might take years. Add years to a mother's age and add more and more genetic abnormalities to your children. Because one baby is hard enough to deal with, add years between them, and watch that third or fourth child vanish from existence. You're not going to be tempted to rent a place with a spare bedroom unless you're doing really well for yourself, but most in most urban scenarios, that means the wife is a ball-cutting professional who thinks creating human life is a demeaning chore. She learned that at the university her parents sent her to, the core of urban western culture and the seed of its demise.

            Fertility rates jump right up as soon as you look at birth data from mothers of rural residence. This has everything to do with the space and with the non-professional lifestyle of the women. To provide for a traditional wife, you need to either double your personal income or halve your cost of living. Which do you think is easier when we're talking about New York rent?

            What do you think happens when you have average New York income in the third world?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. You can be a programmer or engineer for a mining company or on an oil rig and make insane money. Think about how much tech these two industries rely on.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            that sounds like neetdom socially but making money, I wouldn't take it for granted that that kind of life -ie living away from civilization and always seeing the same few people etc- is for everyone

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Unironically peddling learn to code
        Reminder that nobody respects programmers and software devs outside of maybe the bay area. Sure you make a decent income but that's where it stops. People would be much more drawn to almost anything else even if the wages are lower

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody cares regardless. You think accountants have fan clubs?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is huge part of the game. Learn to code, or gain in demand, licensable skills that are in-demand worldwide.

        But there are two more things:
        1. Get a decent education about the world. A program in general studies is enough, if you have excellent programing skills.
        2. Develop social skills. You can do this in college, or in other ways.

        This shit does not happen online. Fuck online schools, and get off of sighsee.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >or in other ways
          how?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >become a programmer
        >London

        Unless you specialize in low latency trading systems and will work for a hedge fund, you will have to enjoy the whopping 40k per year and live like a moron.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          aren't 40k a year decent in europe?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            £40k/yr on your own in London you could totally have a nice apartment and even save some of your money. You wouldn't be living like a moron at all but it's city living. If you wanted to have a family you would need a wife earning the same, and then you could afford a 4 bedroom house outside of London in a giant ugly residential estate. You wouldn't be able to have an actually nice house in a nice area unless you lived up north. Overall It's fine but it's not as rewarding as advertised. It only gets rewarding when you are a senior with lots of experience and knowledge and can do practically everything on your own and youre willing to put up with unattractive hours.

            >Unironically peddling learn to code
            Reminder that nobody respects programmers and software devs outside of maybe the bay area. Sure you make a decent income but that's where it stops. People would be much more drawn to almost anything else even if the wages are lower

            Excellent post.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >have a nice apartment
              >afford a 4 bedroom house outside of London in a giant ugly residential estate

              Imagine this life. You are "making it" and your wife is "making it" and all you can do is to afford to RENT.

              It's just sad.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            £40K for living in London is terrible. It's not enough to get your own place and you'll lose a significant portion of that in rail fares if you commute.

            The UK is oddly shit for Coding salaries. The same sort of job in California for example would be $80-85k

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >The UK is oddly shit for Coding salaries. The same sort of job in California for example would be $80-85k

              we had the chance in the early 90's to be the new silicon valley but the government decided against it because what even are computers?
              the wages are shit for code monkeys because they outsource but other areas of IT pay really well and will only go up as the country finally starts to make its way out of being a technology slump

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I make 12-15k eur per month, so for me it's dogshit. Maybe it's decent for some? I wouldn't be able to tell.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              that is literally 5 years of life expenses for me lol

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                poorfag

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        London is the worst for salaries. Skilled jobs are vastly underpaid. How does £40-50k sound for a senior developer? Given the NY and LA type cost of living, it should be more like £90-100k.

        You won't find a good flat in London unless you're making over £60k. Enjoy sharing a place even in your 30s and beyond while working a senior role.

        The prices and salaries here are pathetic and demeaning unless you have some sort of remote gig and work for yourself.

        Oh and it's getting worse. I just viewed a studio for £450k. My parents' house was £450k 5 years ago - it's now £600k.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          My parents were £50k in 97 now £300k, and it's a falling apart 2 up 2 down in a black infested part of Croydon

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Enjoy sharing a place even in your 30s and beyond while working a senior role.
          this is bullshit. at 40k a year you could afford to rent a 1bed flat in zone 2. my rent is 1300 a month, zone 2, brockley, right next to hilly fields surrounded by old victorian houses. it's quiet and quaint and 20 minutes into the city.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can afford to rent but it’s entirely daft. On £45k a year my take home salary was around £2.5k a month which means you’d be spending more than half your money on rent. Realistically you should just suck it up, flat share and save your money.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >DUDE JUST LEARN TO CODE

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      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        My brother graduated from a state school this year with a compsci degree and is getting a six-figure salary.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          based, I'm graduating next year
          fingers crossed

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Western metropolises are for young women. As a young man, you are at the absolute bottom of the totem pole, and you'll only sink underground if you go somewhere like Manhattan.
      >What you need is a frontier, not a job as an intern for someone's assistant's shoeshiner. That means either going somewhere where you are rare, or where it's rare to go. In rarity is scarcity, in scarcity, value. It could be an oil rig. It could be a New Guinea mining operation. Get some kind of skill that makes you indispensable somewhere in the world; if your career ladder starts with barista, there's no second rung.

      going somewhere where you are rare, or where it's rare to go: extremely valuable advice. Also true at any point in your life.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you meet girls on an oil rig?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        you don't unless you want the pig tier ran through pickings anywhere this is feasible. 99 percent of the people do so because they're too retarded to do anything beyond 1800s non literate slave work in the 21st century.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What you need is a frontier, not a job as an intern for someone's assistant's shoeshiner. That means either going somewhere where you are rare, or where it's rare to go. In rarity is scarcity, in scarcity, value. It could be an oil rig. It could be a New Guinea mining operation. Get some kind of skill that makes you indispensable somewhere in the world; if your career ladder starts with barista, there's no second rung.
      As someone who's lived in a big city, small town, and middle of fuck all since graduating, best one was the middle by a mile. There was the low cost of living and entrepreneurial spirit of a rural area but also enough people my age to keep me entertained (and fun fact, women in their 20s in places like that seem to love guys who've been around a bit). Go for a town of maybe 10-50k far from any major cities and you're golden

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sage advice

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Old former metropolitan man reporting in. I lived in New York for a while as a young man, and loved it in a lot of ways. I think anyone who is considering the idea should at least give it a shot. Lots of people wind up hating it, which is legitimate, and lots of people decide they can never live anywhere else again, which is also legitimate but wasn’t my experience. Most of the bad things people say about the place, and most of the good things people say, have at least some truth to them, but it’s neither as bad as the haters think nor as superior as the lifers think.

    It is, however, unique. Anyone who claims that major cities are all identical is either not paying much attention, or doesn’t really like major cities in the first place. I’ve never personally been in any Western city that came close to its 24-hour vitality or diversity. Hundreds of languages and cuisines and cultures, millions of people, busy streets and open shops at 4AM. (OK, Las Vegas is also an all-night city, but that doesn’t count.)

    I also visited London many times and thought about living there for a while—with the right opportunity and enough money I think an excellent cosmopolitan life could be lived. It’s also got the languages and cultures of the entire world on its streets, more or less. But the character is really completely different, and although you can, you know, also easily spend money there after midnight, it does not in my opinion have the same awake 24/7 buzz that NYC has.

    I wouldn’t want to live in either nowadays… I’m an old family man with kids who hasn’t wanted to be up all night in years, so the density and nightlife are mostly wasted on me.

    I spent the longest of my city time in the aforementioned San Francisco—I just sold a condo there after 20yrs. I agree with the poster above that it is the most attractive big city in North America, great weather too. But an order of magnitude smaller than either NYC or London, and not a 24/7 city.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been to both of these places and I am Aussie I would pick London bur New York women are better. Neither are Western. London are the biggest coal burners on the planet and the women will jump all over you if you're fat and black or any non white. New York is for more unsafe and has less to do outside Manhattan

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    go to the one that is opposite of your accent brit or american - then you get a +1 from local sluts likeing your accent

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >western metropolis to move to as a young ma
    Cape Town.

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I found London to be surprisingly boring for an "international city"
    Museums and history is great, and you definitely feel like every religion and nationality is found there, but it felt pretty provincial. Even on weekends 95% of the city is dead past 8-9pm. Metro is great and there are cool people there but i wouldn't compare it to true mega cities like NYC, LA, Tokyo, Sao Paulo, CDMX, Shanghai, Istanbul, Cairo, Paris, Moscow, Mumbai, ect.
    It has money and reputation, but feels like just a big English hamlet

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does living in an Asian metropolis compare to the best western ones?

    I'm talking more about Japan/Korea/HK/Taiwan than China

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cleaner, less crime, more highrises, significantly better public transit, uglier people (unless you have yellow fever), more families since kids can walk around Asian cities without getting raped by muslims like Europe or shot by morons like America

      Also you won't speak the language and the locals' english proficiency will vary wildly depending on which Asian city you pick. In Singapore and HK the english is usually great, in Tokyo God help you

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's all well and good but if you don't speak the language how are you supposed to find a job that will allow you to live there?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          have skills. do you think the expats who live in Tokyo or HK speak the local language? lmao

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Berlin or Madrid

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd move to that corner on Maple in SF where the Zodiac killer took his somethingth victim. I'd live in the attic and rent out the rest of the house to Asians and advertise it as overlooking a Zodiac murder location because Asians love that kind of think. They'll be like "Aw dis wuz Zodiax kiwahhh wokashunnn" and I'd charge them more than a reasonable price.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man this cracked me up

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    my question is how the hell do you meet girls in a metropolis nowadays if you're not the nightlife type?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      get a hobby. (preferably one women also enjo)

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >preferably one women also enjo
        implying implying

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      how is meeting girls in a metropolis any more difficult than meeting them elsewhere? it's easier if anything

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are no girls elsewhere for starters.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        living in a metropolis is like living in a dating app in the real world, you have absolutely no value because there are literal billions of other males behind the corner which makes it harder for a girl to commit and stay committed and makes it harder for you to approach one or elicit her interest

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      do things that don't involve the internet, computers or video games. see and be seen.

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've lived in Tokyo, New York, and London, Tokyo comes out tops for all the stereotypical positives you associate with cities, its also significantly cheaper than the other two.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      are you fluent in japanese though? I can't see myself living in a city whose language I can't speak decently well

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    oh to want to live in a city where people are decent and honest human beings
    what a struggle

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      New Zealand
      American Midwest
      North England

      Not too difficult. The issue here might be you.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >American Midwest
        vgh detroit
        >North England
        vgh manchester

        grim

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >detroit
          Try Omaha

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine recommending fucking Omaha, Nebraska.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    London is great if you like living among poojeets and seeing them everywhere. Wages are shit, the cost of living is astronomical and the buildings are gory. Avoid.

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Of the 4 majors

    London, NYC, Paris, Tokyo, London would be my last pick by far. London is shit.

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're American, you should go London. If you're a Britbonger, go New York.

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    In New York landlords want you to earn at least 40 times (yearly) what you spend on rent (monthly), so unless you're rich you will live in a glorified closet or have to spend hours commuting every day

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This converts to your monthly gross income being 3.33x higher than your rent.
      I've lived in places that ranged from 2.5 to 4, so this is actually pretty reasonable.
      You should get out of the basement and explore the world, you're squandering your one shot at life.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It seems like you forgot to consider that prices in nyc are ridiculously high

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pretty reasonable
        >when studios in shitholes like east new york or so far up north in the bronx you're basically in yonkers are starting at $1500
        retard

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    If just wanted a decent city and didn’t care about anything else I’d pick Chicago.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      What else do you care about that wouldn't make you choose chicago instead?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Like if you work in a specific job have a strong interest that would make another city better for you I mean.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't it hard to find a job in Chicago if you don't have a stellar curriculum? It certainly never makes the list of best cities to find a job in

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s the same as any other large American city

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    For you, posting nipples from the 70s on a Family Guy forum? I wouldn't worry about it at all.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dont respond to spammers or shitposters
      Report them and move on

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rural/suburban anon with little concept of cities here:

    What, actually, unironically, do people in cities do other than go to work? I always used to think when I was a little kid that I'd get rich and live in some super happening city center like in New York, and I'd have an endless stream of real-life sidequests and interesting people at my fingertips. It seemed so cool back then. But in my adulthood, every time I've been to a city both short and long term, it's been so fucking dead. Despite having thousands or tens of thousands of times the amount of population density, the sidewalks never seem much more crammed outside of rush hour, nobody's out and about at night, nothing exciting is occurring, there is no spectacle. And most of these experiences were pre-covid. Work to home and back. I just don't get it, where is the "hustle and bustle" that spawns the meme? Cities feel like super dense versions of my incredibly boring, incredibly dead childhood suburb.

    Do they really just go to bars and night clubs and shit? I have a hard time believing that, because my little town's idea of fun is random shitty biker bars (dozens of them).

    As a kid, cities really seemed like something magical. Now, I see little reason to want to visit. You watch any kind of online content about "cool stuff in X city" or "exciting things to do in Y city" and it's like, come down to the waterfront and look at this statue, or this dead public concert stage. The little park down the road from me in my retiree town is equally alive. Which is to say, not very.

    What can be done about this feel? Are cities really so stale, or am I missing something just under the surface? Say your goal in a city was just to have fun, find leisure, socialize. You had no job to attend and you could just seek out fun all day. How would you go about it other than attending bars as you could do anywhere else?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      you do the same thing in cities at night as anywhere else, just better. You drink, socialize, eat, and exercise. The city gives you more options to do any of the above than a suburb or rural.
      IE, your town may have 3 bars. Maybe 5. If you lived in New York, there are 1000+ within distance of the subway system. Food options same thing. Socialization - let just talk dating partners. you might have 80 people in your town that are in your age group, 40 of which are women, 20 of which are attractive, 10 of which share some interests. If you lived in NY, there are near endless people that share your exact interests, and likely are more driven and more interesting on average because they decided to work hard enough at something to be able to live there. Its all about options and quality. Exercise? Find a good boxing or mma gym in the middle of ohio. In the same time it took you to find one, you could have found 4 in your neighborhood in the city. And this isn't limited to a specific sport - EVERY sport is represented there. And if the gym isn't next to you, you can hop on the subway 7~ mins and be there.
      Disclaimer - NYC is an urban shithole for many many many reasons, but it is without a doubt a very very interesting place to live, and you will not run out of shit to do.
      No, I do not live there any more. I have land in both the backcountry and an apartment in another east coast city. I alternate as needed.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You stumped me because you used the word “fun”. I mean, getting drunk is fun but it doesn’t satisfy your question really.

      For me, I guess the draw of cities is being able to walk to the basic places that anyone goes to: the store, the bank, etc. and maybe the fact that there’s more people around. I think there’s a buzz of energy that people like. Not me necessarily but I guess having people around is what makes the buzz.

      I lived in suburbs and small towns for a few years and I really hated it. It somehow felt more unnatural than living in the heart of a big city.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is exactly what young tourists experience when they go to another country: a bunch of gay ass sights made for boomers. this makes them bitter about cities.
      the truth is that you don't go to the cities to see a dumb fucking statue, you go there because you wanna try karting first, then bowling, go gorge yourself at the weird mongolian food place and lastly head off to whatever the local nightlife street is for a pub crawlhave or any or the small scale concerts going on that night. and you obviously do all this with the friends you met though university, work or the internet. urban life is fun because of the people, not because of whatever dumb shit you see boomers gloating about on tripadvisor.

      muh le epic ruralino tradbasedino retards have never had friends in a city so it's understandable

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      unironically go to NYC

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I had money, Vancouver. I love rain. It's center looks nice and has a huge park peninsula right beside it, so it's not an inescapable concrete jungle. Also I like the climate of that area in general. If not for it's well known issues, it would be the ideal place to live for me.

    Downsides are; lots of homeless people, but they're outside the nice center of the city. Also expensive af and rich chinks buying all the nice apartments through stolen money from china, which is why "if i had money"

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do what everyone in Europe does.
    Move to London for 3-4 years to climb the career ladder and get a good cv then use that to move to a mid sized city that you like where you can afford stuff and have a home and family.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    detroit

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not op here.
    I am thinking about moving to UK, London (i'm Pole). I could earn arround 3.5-4k net gbp monthly (arround 70-80k/year). Is this salary good for London's standard? I heard it's pretty expensive there. How is the housing cost? I'm gonna move with my gf (she will make arround 2-2.5k gbp net monthly) so I wanted rent something decent.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand all the hate for London. Is it the best city in the world? No. Is it worst? No. Is it decent? Yes.

    I rather live in London than NYC for example.

    City where I could live:
    >London
    >Madrid
    >Paris
    >Amsterdam
    >Milan
    >Copenhagen

    Not in that particular order btw(I know half of them isn't mega cities). And fuck US, I would never live there though.

    t-.swede

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't understand all the hate for London.

      London has a poor reputation on sighsee for two reasons

      1) Americans obsessed with muslims and knife crime
      2) Poor eastern europeans moving to london to work, only being able to afford living in shit areas, then complaining the shit areas are shit.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to London next week, except the museums, what should I do ? Would like to meet people and hang out with locals.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      British museum is a must.
      National portrait gallery is a hidden gem but I think it's still being refurbed so you may need to skip it.

      National history museum also a must, as is the imperial war museum

      avoid madame tussauds, it's not free and sucks.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Let me know how you go, made 0 friends in the UK, 0 oh except for fat girls

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you like the heckin moroninos, both cities have you covered

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      this has me dying lolling, thanks anon

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    London, despite how shit it can be as the anus of Southern England, is miles above New York City even if you're rich as fuck. It's a stones throw from Europe if you want to explore a massive range of locations for cheap and the blacks there aren't anywhere as bad as the ones in the United States although they're certainly trying their best.

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Implying it is possible to move to the usa if you were not born there

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Of course it is though.
      The occupation government that the Americans have gives away citizenship to a million miscellaneous undesirables every year.
      If a bunch of illiterate Mexicans and Africans can figure it out, anyone can.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        They have the benefit of chain migration because of visa rules. It’s easier to get a visa if you know someone or are related to someone who already has a visa, and you can walk or float from South America.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      forever mad at my parents for not taking a cheeky trip to the states when my mom was pregnant to pop me off there for free citizenship

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Amsterdam

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I live in the Washington DC metro area and it's not bad
    >very walkable; best city to go for a run IMO
    >relatively bike friendly
    >decent subway system that goes into Maryland and Virginia; a lot of busses
    >always something happening. i like going to protests and listening to people argue. can be pretty entertaining.
    >crème-of-the-crop type of people from all over the world just like NYC
    >very high paying job; great networking
    >all four seasons (snowy winters, hot summers, cool blossomy springs, cool colorful autumns)
    >a lot of free museums that change up a lot
    >a lot of restaurants

    the only thing is that it can be somewhat sketchy and there's not much of a culture here unless you are black. it can be sterile. if you care about nightlife it's okay but personally i've kinda outgrown that lifestyle.

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the USA the only genuinely cool city that ticks all the boxes is Miami. it even has cheap non-stops to all of Latin America and Europe so its actually very easy to do long weekends in Colombia, Panama, CDMX etc..

    plus the city has actual culture to it that isn't bullshit fagginess like all of California and the northern cities.

    right now its crazy expensive but this is how FL real estate works. it's the priciest when the bubble is at its peak but its cheapest once the bubble pops. in five years it'll go back to being a bargain.

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As my first trip, I took a solo trip to London. While I had some fun and loved the beautiful architecture, I mostly felt completely alienated and out of place. It was very rare to see people alone, and here I was wondering around just doing things by myself. I also feel as if my dress and style, and general fitness singled me out. I guess once I lose more weight and become more attractive that won't be a problem. I don't think travelling is for me, it's obviously a hobby for sociable extraverts. May as well just stay at home all day.

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Move to Dubai its genuinely amazing here.

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who lived his whole life in the German country side where all close cities are more like big villages.. I really wish I could have experienced life in a real city once. I've never seen a skyscrapper. I go to the same 5 restaurants since the day I'm born and they taste awful. The biggest crowd of people I see on the Volksfest where nearby villages all come together to drink beer and sing.

    I spent hours and hours just walking around in google streetview, see the endless stores, restaurants, bars, etc. I dream of a small apartment room where I look out of the window and see huge buildings, many umbrellas down there where people walk on a rainy day. Taking night walks randomly without checking a map. Everyday seeing new things, meeting new interesting people. Maybe someday I can get enough money together to at least travel there for a week or so.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its not what you're making it out to be and eventually your city routine will devolve into basically what you describe your country routine as, just with a different urban aesthetic.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So go now. You’re living in a particular place and a particular time and it happens to be uniquely urban so you may as well try it. Had you been born a thousand years before or after, it may not have even been an option. It’s like partaking in your own little piece of history somehow, even if it sucks.

  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your career. Investment bankers and lawyers flourish in these mega cities so you would do well there.
    Personally I'd pick London.

  43. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Berlin

  44. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's mad how furious bongs are about being cucked and usurped by yanks

  45. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no mention of Seattle
    Good, don't come here.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seattle is a nightmare bro. Keep it, it's yours.

  46. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck the DC area. Mover there if you like living in your car and always being within earshot of the highway.

  47. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Barnet is a nice area just outside metropolitan London

  48. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I live just next to parliament hill in London. I think it's great. I prefer Paris for the authentic city living but London is more chilled out and accessable. MUCH better parks as well. That's so important and so many French cities (such as Bordeaux or Nantes) are ruined by the lack of nature/city balance. I would never live in America. Their public transport systems are very lacklustre and their idea of walkable is an hour's walk to the nearest shop. Apart from the hobos, the Paris metro is better than any other for price (most pay 35 a MONTH), efficiency, speed etc

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I pay 1700 (split with the gf) for a two bedroom of around 65 square metres.

  49. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    SCOTLAND

    Visit the Highlands. They are a beautiful set of mountains, and lots of history lies in those craggy rocks.

    Speak with the locals. Scottish are friendly and open,and will often be willing to share a sip of guinness or a bite of haggis.

    Eat dat haggis! Speaking of witch, the haggis is a historical food that is the food of champs.

    Travel off the path. Once seeing Glasgow,Edinburgh, and seeing the locals, get away from the crowd,and travel to the mountains, see some scotch sheep.

    Oh, also, you might want to dig through your put-away-for-summer rain clothes. Scotland is furiously windy and rainy

    And definitely see famous old Loch Ness. its a great place, and your kid may be the first to capture Nessie. Let her go,though. don't damage Scotland's natural beauty by taking one of its most historical and legendary items.

    Happy Traveling,Lad!

  50. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Berlin is a shithole. If you don't mind ridiculous taxes, at least go to Hamburg or Copenhagen

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      what about munich?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is expensive as fuck for german scales, but overall a pretty nice city

  51. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Boston! relatively small city, great park, all you need is in the "walk range", great sea food, always met great people overthere.
    last but not least i hear they plan nice terrorist attacks here and there to keep you always entertained

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      kek
      if you don't mind the climate I unironically consider Boston one of the best places for a young city-oriented professional in the US (and hence in the world), together with Washington DC, Chicago, and maybe New York City, but I personally can't get behind the climate of California and Texas, both as in the weather and as in the political climate, so I'm naturally biased towards the east coast

  52. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    lived in london with no money and it sucked. I though that london sucks. But it was just me :). Noticed few people on facebook who moved there afterwards and went cool places.

    Guess it's true what they say - life is what u make of it. Just stay out of big cities if your not earning big, everything is twice the price.

  53. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    New Orleans is best. Just try to not get murdered though.

  54. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Madrid
    >pretty cheap
    >women there are 10/10
    >nice weather
    >lots of culture
    >safest big city in Europe
    >good restaurants, bars etc.
    >Spain has a high speed railway system so you can travel to cities like Barcelona or Bilbao just in couple hours

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      10/10 women are all taken.

      The average is 7/10.

      Still better than somewhere like the multicultural hellhole that is London where women average 5/10.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        there's asian girls in multicultural hellholes though, you must account for that

  55. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No idea. I have nowhere I have to be and nowhere I want to go. I’ve been rotating the couches of various family members for the last year and a half.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't sound like a sustainable lifestyle

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not, but like I said, I don’t know where else to go.

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