If you had to choose either Guam or Hawaii as a place to move to which would you choose?
If you had to choose either Guam or Hawaii as a place to move to which would you choose?
If you had to choose either Guam or Hawaii as a place to move to which would you choose?
You can see literally everything on Guam in 2 hours. Don't move there. You will me miserable
And its like 9 hours back to the mainland instead of 4 and so few flight options its cheaper to fly to Tokyo and then go to the US. That, and Guam is like a shittier, more 3rd world feeling version of Hawaii with even more military and asians.
I would, if it was a bit easier to find accommendation.
I've never been to Guam, but I did enjoy my time in Hawaii.
As someone who looked at both, Hawaii. Depends on your job though but chances are hawaii is going to win, few reasons why
>Gaum jobs are almost all entirely military related, don't have active or expired clearance? GG making ends meat
>Hurricanes can actively frick your life up and internet, starlink is doing wonders for them but it's still shitty
>you're not really "closer to anything" Hawaii has constant cheaper flights to asia and ameirca, guam almost always lays you over in some shit place
>hawaii has actual good coming in near semi regularly for things like electronics
>cost of living in utilities is fricked compared to hawaii, both are bad but hawaii kinda wins
>native born islanders have bigger divide in guam
Guam's biggest downfall is that pretty much all housing is military means landlords know the COLA and housing assistance they get meaning they spike rent to whatever it is. You're looking at min 1000 for a shed at best where you can actually get <1000.
If it were me I'd get one of those studio's for ~700 on hawaii's big island, order a mid tier solar setup from Amazon+battery bank and roll. Maybe even get one of those <100K style houses/sheds and do it, price value only really going to go up and if you can airbnb one of the rooms it's just guaranteed passive income
>where in Hawaii you can actually get <1000 for a studio
Brain fart moment
>If it were me I'd get one of those studio's for ~700 on hawaii's big island,
Those cheap places to live are all in the Puna area on the south of the island where the volcano sometimes emits toxic and corrosive gases (VOG) and lava flows underneath occasionally destroying things. That might not be a dealbreaker for you but look into it. Also look into how long it takes to get around, Hawaiians drive insanely slowly so if you're 30 miles from something it could still take an hour and some to get there.
You can still find sub 1000/mo places in the "better" islands or locations, compared to guam you're still coming out ahead. You also won't go fricking crazy after you've memorized all the people on the island, at least the tourism has fresh blood flowing through it
Hawaii, easily. Guam is a shithole.
Anyways, what job do you have? Living on Hawaii is expensive. Big island, Maui, and especially Kauai are very nice, but there aren’t as many jobs. Oahu isn’t bad either, but it’s a lot more crowded. More things to do though.
>t. posting from honolulu
Hawaii
Spent significant time in both. My answer is neither. Both fricking suck and both are way overpriced and too expensive for what you can get in return. There's a lot of places out there with palm trees, beaches and mountains, and without the hassle of all America's issues and prices that comes with Guam and Hawaii. There's absolutely nothing special about these places at all for what you pay to live there.
>There's a lot of places out there with palm trees, beaches and mountains
In America?
> without the hassle of all America's issues
Oh...
>In America?
You do realize the world is bigger than the US right? If youre going to live in a tropical place, why the frick would you live in the US? It's not like there's any good jobs or a booming economy in Guam or Hawaii, literally 0 reason to be in those places long-term unless you're just a moron who doesn't know any better. You're just paying 1000x the price for absolutely nothing in return except for America's typical shit problems and shit culture.
>why the frick would you live in the US?
I like owning guns and having cheap gas (I don't care what you think these are my hobbies some people like anime this is what I like). I honestly like the culture of the US too. When I go to other countries they're cool but after a while I want to go back to the US.
>I like owning guns
Dumb reason, especially if you are bringing your guns to Hawaii or Guam
>cheap gas
Yeah at the expense of absolutely everything else you pay out the ass for in America. Most countries you would never even need to own a car, the cities/towns are actually walkable and cheap public transport is available.
>especially if you are bringing your guns to Hawaii
I'll agree with you there. No idea about the state of affairs in Guam.
>Most countries you would never even need to own a car, the cities/towns are actually walkable and cheap public transport is available.
But I like owning cars and I like driving. If my interests were walking around and cheap public transport, I would have listed those things in my first post.
To be fair, I also own a house in an area that used to be cheap but now is expensive in the US and am insulated from a lot of the cost increases from that yet benefit from the reduction in poorish behaviors... Lucky I guess.
>But I like owning cars and I like driving.
You won't after commuting in Hawaii traffic.
Let's be real. The only things you "need" are food water and shelter. In most of Europe Europe, you get paid less than 1/2 the salary and taxed twice as much as the US. Of course the public transport is nice in Europe. You can't afford a car, so you get to sit in a crowded, stinky bus with the rest of the peons. To be fair, there are people in the US who takes the bus, immigrants, drug addicts, mentally handicapped, black people. I don't want to ride with them or the un-showered Europeans.
I've looked up the tax thing before because it's a common talking point here in murica. The overall tax burden ends up being very similar, actually slightly less for most average incomes. Over 100k, the tax rate goes up. The difference is that they have healthcare and education included in that. Long story short, we pay "socialism" level taxes already, but send all the money to defend Israel or something instead. It's really cool to get gauged on taxes your entire life and still have it so your child can't even affordably attend engineering school.
In california we pay higher taxes for less services than do europeans
Haven't owned a car in 8 years, never get why people say YOU NEED ONE. Sure they are nice but uber is good for those one off's or just rent a uhaul from home depot for like 20-30 bucks.
Electric bike or bust
Not everyone lives in NYC bud
I live in Phoenix
Oahu has decent public transport (for America) but you are not getting around the Big Island without a car.
It is awesome. Hanalei Bay (and the drive to it) is one of my favorite places on earth. Check out Polihale state park if you're around there. It's out of the way and the dirt road leading to it is... rough, but that just means that are no crowds. Just don't get your car stuck in the sand lol.
Hanalei Bay is on my todo list, as is the first 2-3 miles of the Kalalau Trail to see Hanakāpīʻai Falls.
I also want to see Kalalau Beach but I don't want to do the full 11 mile hike there and back.
Will the boats let you swim to the beach or is it too far/dangerous/illegal?
Oh boy, it's an assmad foreigner here to let everyone know his opinions on America
I'm American you stupid dipshit. Most other countries are perfectly safe compared to the States (minus LatAm) and there is literally no need for firearms.
>need
Good fricking riddance. And don't order any absentee ballots while you're at it
I have firearms because I like shooting them, I don't care if I need them.
I also have zero interest in living in an overpoliced snitch society like Japan.
>overpoliced snitch society
"wahhhh wahhhh why is my neighbor shit?!"
>nothing special about these places
That can't be true for Hawaii.
I have a trip planned out and booked for Kauai and it seems awesome. Every town is a small town. Beaches, waterfalls, hiking trails, damn good sushi, easy access to Asia.
Only thing I can see worth complaining about are the col, hurricanes, tsunamis, and the toursits, but I live in Florida so I'm used to them. At least you're more likely to run into some friendly Japanese people instead of your typical fat snowbird.
The merits of living there aside, Hawaii seems like an odd choice if you're from Florida. It's the same thing, just more volcanic and asian.
Eh, I don't know about that. Florida is perfectly flat so there's no good hiking spots, the water isn't as blue, the waves aren't big enough to surf, the cities are just mega sprawls. Not much going on here besides the tax situation.
Kaui is one of the most expensive islands in the state (which is already ridiculously expensive). Get ready to shell out some serious cash.
Guam is about to tip over dumbass. You shouldn't be moving there.
Guam is like living in a small town in fricking Siberia except it has warm weather. Extremely remote. Zero attractive women. No entertainment options. Why the frick would you ever consider Guam over Hawaii
Molokai here, my life on this island has been a dream. So much so that I would gladly suffer a thousand wretched lives if that is the price to live this again.
That does not mean you are welcome to share our island. In fact, we want haole buttholes to stay TF out. We still live like Hawaii people and we are not interested in living any other way.
We live well in Molokai. We do not welcome white haoles or the strange foreign riffraff they always bring. We want no companies from the mainland. Frick your jobs and GDP. Our only billionaire holdings are being evicted as we speak. If rich white men like Bezos and Zuckerberg ever try to claim a piece of Molokai, there will be hell to pay.
We love our simple life. We do not concern ourselves with your broken politics or gutter culture or bizarre hysteria over viruses. We just live and bide our time. America will fall and then we will join our brothers and sisters and live in free Hawaii again. Until that day we have our precious heaven called Molokai.
Is this even a serious question? Hawaii is kawaii.
Everyone on earth would choose hawaii