I (M33) am from the US and quit my job in November to travel throughout India extensively. I've travelled around many developing countries like Colombia and Peru without a single problem, I'm normally very easy going and open minded. Also I'm an experienced traveller.
I tried so hard to like India, but feel like it's been a failure.
My budget was around $1500 per month which was very easy to stick to, eating out every meal and never sharing a room.
However, unfortunately I can't say I've enjoyed the experience. Countries with a lower GDP per capita seem heavenly in comparison.
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Pros
- Varied climate and landscapes from north to south, although sadly ruined everywhere due to litter and traffic.
- Prices are relatively inexpensive in comparison to the west.
- Long visa options available for travellers.
- Many younger people understand at least basic English so communication hasn't been much of a problem.
- People on the surface are at least are friendly to foreigners.
- Some food can taste nice, if it doesn't make you sick.
- Beautiful tourist attractions. Some "famous attractions" are laughably bad though.
>Some food can taste nice, if it doesn't make you sick
The food's so bad in South India it even made the Chinese puke.
Cons
- Constant staring, without looking away. Sometimes it feels angry and threatening, I try to smile at them and wave which sometimes removes any tension.
- People will mock you in public in Hindi thinking you can't understand, I dread walking past big group of people my age or younger. Often they will shout random words/phrases in English whilst laughing hysterically amongst themselves. On the other hand, children aged say 15 and under are extremely polite and respectful, it's such a strange contrast. But once they get above this age it's a different story...
- Shopkeepers often don't give change, and try to charge foreigners above the MRP. When I tell them it's illegal they get angry but also back down and charge the correct amount.
- Often impossible to sleep at night due to loud music, dogs barking, people shouting and screaming, car horns, religious noise (e.g. Hindus will often ring bells at 5am which is difficult to sleep through).
- People will use children to beg for money. They don't go to school and are treated terribly by society. The caste system is still alive. Sometimes they will pull money out of your wallet and don't take no for an answer.
- Muslims and other minorities are often treated badly by society.
- Local buses look and feel like they're about to fall apart at any minute, and are ancient. There is no leg room. But the prices are affordable.
- Scammers everywhere. Even some European beg-packer type scammers will try and warm up to you. Anyone saying "hello my friend" is not your friend.
- No personal space or privacy. Hotel staff on multiple occasions have walked into my room without knocking first. People will sit on your lap on the bus and use your body as a human pillow. The back of your head will be used as an armrest, or somewhere to lean their phone up against. If you aren't touching, you aren't close enough.
- People often don't queue and will barge in front of you, even if you're mid conversation with a cashier.
>- People will mock you in public in Hindi thinking you can't understand, I dread walking past big group of people my age or younger.
This one is true everywhere.
If you are alone and you walk by two or more people between 15 and 35, they will often talk shit about you. If they are alone, they wont say shit. That's the cattle mentality. Sometime it's tourists from your own country;
More often even it's an ugly b***h who talk shit about other men to her boyfriend. That's the typical ugly npc b***h move, i don't know why they do this, there must be an anthropological reason.
It’s a social status thing. Notice how they only do it when they see YOU alone. Notice how normies are very rarely ever actually alone. When i’m at the gym I get normie teens trying me constantly like moving my backpack or grabbing weights off my bar. I normally just assertively act friendly but loud, and at worst it disarms them or at best they think i’m “cool” or “aight” (that’s 2000s slang for you zoomers out there). Sometimes entirely depending on location it doesnt work and not deferring to them will cause them to immediately sucker punch you and jump at you.
I'm guessing the "teens" you're talking about aren't Bryce and Chad.
I'm White and spent several years living in India. Learned Hindi, a bit of Bengali, and a tribal language. Also married a local. I'm not going to offer any extensive comment on OP's observations, other than I find them genuinely entertaining.
I obviously had a very different experience, since I lived in a middle-class neighborhood and am proficient in several local languages. However, I do find that most of these wide-ranging generalizations simply are not applicable to most parts of the country outside of the most heavily-traveled tourist traps. I have met far more storekeepers who chased me down the road after forgetting 2 rupees in change than shopkeepers who refused to offer fair prices or "forgot" to return my change.
Most of my local stores, for instance, sold everything at MSRP. If I wanted to pay the next day--or the next day--they'd just keep a running tab and trust that I'd eventually pay them. Sometimes I'd go days or weeks without actually giving them money, and it was never a problem.
Also, most of this shit can be avoided by simply having half a brain. India is a densely-populated country, and most people don't care about you. If a stranger spontaneously starts a conversation, it's either because A) they want money or B) you're an exotic novelty.
You really shouldn't go somewhere like India if you're incapable of saying "no," or if you think that every single person is going to be genuinely interested in you as a person--the reality is that, for most Indians, you're just interesting because you're foreign and White, and there's really nothing more to it than that.
I still think it's one of the easiest countries in the world to meet genuinely nice, hospitable people, and I'll stand by that no matter what.
Also, same sort of moronation--why the frick are you just giving your phone number to random people?
Do they harass you in the streets for being white?
I don't think I'd be able to handle it if that's the case, I'd snap within 5 minutes.
Define "harass."
I used to get a lot of attention when I was younger. People would walk up to me on the streets, ask me questions, and try to take sefies. Nowadays, I'm mostly left to my own devices, even in villages and other rural areas. If I start a conversation or ask a shopkeeper for directions, they're almost always cordial, and it's fairly common for strangers to interrupt or offer their own opinions.
Can't speak for OP, but I've spent lots and lots of time traveling around very, very rural areas--places with active insurgencies, limited infrastructure, and near-zero English-language penetration. I've met people who've never even heard of "America," and people who thought I was in the Indian Army because I was wearing green pants.
Tribal people, for instance, are some of the best people I've met anywhere in India (or the entire world, for that matter). They don't stare, and they won't even talk to you unless you talk to them--but I'll be fricked if those people don't pay back every bit of respect you give them. I've hitchhiked with tribal folk and stayed in forest villages in Chhattisgarh and Odisha, and a lot of them will get insulted if you so much as offer them money for petrol.
But yeah, people will 100% stare at you (I stare at other White people, too, especially in places I don't expect to see them--but not with the same creepy intensity as most middle-aged Indian guys), and you'll probably get asked for selfies at the Taj Mahal. Big deal, just say "no" if you don't want to deal with it.
I doubt I visit SighSee more than 2-3 times per week, m8. It's just something to do when I have nothing better to do. I have an obvious longstanding interest in India, so I tend to post in India threads (sometimes also Turkey, Pakistan, LatAm, etc), but I not as often as I used to. IMHO it's become borderline impossible to have good-faith discussions about India--and many other non-White destinations--so I don't even bother replying usually
I'm curious about terrorism in India. Are the naxalites any kind of threat, or are they mostly gone?
I see you in every India thread bro. Why do you spend so much time on SighSee when you could be eating your Bengali waifu's chapati?
Nonsense, the touristy areas like Goa, Kerela, the Himalayas, Varanasi etc. are touristy for a reason, because they're generally nicer than the other parts of the country with a lot of things to see and do.
Try going to random town or city in UP or Bihar and tell me how lovely and developed they are... Don't get me wrong, the people can be very friendly, but there's a catch often.
Why aren't you paying shopkeepers there and then, you can't afford a few rupees?
Also people will practically force you to give you their phone number after befriending you, so socially it's awkward to say no.
> Why aren't you paying shopkeepers there and then, you can't afford a few rupees?
Maintaining a “balance” at local stores is common practice. Perhaps you don’t have cash, or maybe the shopkeeper’s UPI isn’t working. One way or another, as long as they’ve seen you a handful of times, they’ll usually trust that you’ll eventually pay them back.
> Also people will practically force you to give you their phone number after befriending you, so socially it's awkward to say no.
Again, you’re just not going to have a very good time in India if you can’t say “no” to people. I have long since stopped giving my number to random strangers, because they’re 100% going to repeatedly video call you for no reason at all. Many of them also can’t understand what a time zone is, so they’ll call you every night at 4am when you go back to your own country.
>touristy areas
>lists a 39,000 square km state and a 2,600 km mountain range that spans several countries
Yea, you and OP have no fricking idea what you're talking about. I just spent five months in Kerala and aside from the staring, literally none of this bullshit happened to me. Everyone was polite, friendly, and generous. The food was phenomenal, the landscapes were spectacular, and the women were fricking gorgeous. Obviously, many places are dirty and polluted but so is 99% of the world at this point. Never got scammed, threatened, harassed, pickpocketed, or even really annoyed. Morons just spend like a week in Agra and Delhi and then post stupid shit about the entire country.
this naxalboo homosexual is a delusional idiot. don't listen to anything he says about india
fricking newbie, indiaboo is a nice lad
>If I wanted to pay the next day--or the next day--they'd just keep a running tab and trust that I'd eventually pay them. Sometimes I'd go days or weeks without actually giving them money, and it was never a problem.
This sounds like bullshit - why would you ever be in a situation where you wouldn't pay a shopkeeper? And for weeks on end at that.
Any Indian can tell you this is common practices. “Weeks” may have been an exaggeration, but I’ve certainly gone a while without making payments. It’s normal, even if you don’t go to the same store everyday. Most shopkeepers don’t mind, as long as you eventually pay them back and don’t take a terribly long time in doing so.
It can be beneficial to everyone involved. Sometimes storekeepers also ask for help. For instance, a tea-seller downstairs—who we talked to almost every day—asked to borrow a few thousand rupees to fix her smartphone. It took her about a month, but she paid us back after I’d already forgotten than we’d lent her the money.
Same goes for a lot of other things. We had some recurring electrical issues in our apartment. We’d always call the same electrician, who the landlord had known for years. He did good work and seemed honest. If I didn’t have cash and his UPI wasn’t working, we’d sometimes just agree to settle the payment another day (although, in practice, I’d usually just go down to the ATM to get money while he worked).
IMO, a lot of people in India are actually very honest and trusting—you just have to have an established relationship of some sort to get the benefits. India is no utopia, but I could usually count on my neighbors and community to help with different tasks, and they could count on me to help, too.
I'm reminded of this for some reason
https://www.hindustantimes.com/it-s-viral/man-accidentally-orders-a-truck-full-of-rice-twitter-thread-detailing-the-aftermath-is-hilarious/story-ydiP4p7jWB7Au7KURsmOBI.html
Kek'd. Not sure why that reminded you of it, but it was a funny story.
Indians have a simple explanation: Indians love free things, and you can't find a more cost-effective activity than staring.
Putting that aside, it makes some sense. India receives few foreign visitors in relation to its overall population. Even people who live in large cities are unlikely to see foreigners on a day-to-day basis, unless their house is near a tourist attraction or other popular destination. Since staring isn't considered quite as rude in most Indian cultures as it is in the West, people often sate their curiosity by staring at people who look unusual. This isn't limited to foreign tourists--they'll also stare at Indians who wear "strange" clothes, or have their hair dyed an "unnatural" color.
I lived in a very middle-class neighborhood, and I sometimes went weeks without seeing another White person. If and when I saw another foreigner, I'd usually give them a quick look. Of course, I wouldn't stare, but it's hard not to have your curiosity piqued when you're used to seeing the same sorts of people day after day. In off-the-grid areas, I'd always wonder how and why another White person ended up where I was.
IIRC, I was once taking a bus in rural Chhattisgarh when we passed a roadside slum. I looked out the window and saw a middle-aged White guy walking along the street in tattered, dirty clothes. Everybody was staring, myself included. Why was he there? What was he doing in that particular town? Why was he so filthy?
(in reality, the dude was probably a missionary or some shit, but--again--being imaginative costs nothing, and it's an easy way to kill time)
Not defending this shit, because I find unbridled staring obnoxious and intrusive. But it's not difficult to understand the phenomena when you consider how rare non-Indian people are in most parts of India.
>I get stared at all the time in Latin America.
>Mexican gueys mock each other all the time in public, and use English phrases regularly as well. It would be easy for a sensitive tourist to think the group is mocking he/she/it.
>Petty scams are commonplace in any Third World country. If you act like a based local and not a cringe tourist, you won't be targeted.
>Noise is standard in any densely populated area. American cities are 300 people per square mile; the Indian countryside is denser than that, and the cities are upwards of 30,000. Expect NYC level noise in any densely populated Third World city.
>Children are used to sell merchandise, keep shops, and beg. I treat them as adults, give them zero consideration or privilege for their age.
>That sounds great, actually.
>Greyhound is more mechanically sound, but has barely any more leg room, and the fellow passengers are even worse.
>"hello my friend where you from" is the oldest hustler sentence in the book.
>that provides a good contrast to first world privacy and isolation even in public places
>you have to be assertive and dominant. if you are confused or looking at your phone, yes, people will pass you anywhere
>People will use children to beg for money. They don't go to school and are treated terribly by society
Typical gypsy behaviour.
>staring
>mocking
>scamming
>chaos
>beggars
>poor infrastructure
>poverty
>crowded
>religious
>glued to phone
>harrassment
>filthiness
>thievery
>stray dogs
>nocustomer service
>bureaucracy
>bad hygiene
>pollution
>subpar quality items
>different culture
Anon...I...don't know...what...you...expected...when...traveling...to a...3rd world...country...did you do any research...this is not exclusive to just India
SEA is third world and has very little of that, and is actually a pleasant place to be in
Most of SEA is far wealthier than India
China has almost none of this or it’s easily avoided.
I'll admit I wasn't bothered by half the things you listed as cons, but the standard trains were a bit of a constant struggle. Long journey trains left me having to climb all the way to the top because massive families wanted to take over our seats. Near impossible to get off the trains at your stop. On longer journeys people are sleeping all over the floors and people start jumping in before it even stops so you can't get out. Even worse in the cities at peak hour with literally 50+ people cramming inside the doors without letting anyone out. I had to brute force my way out and nearly knocked down 5 people. But it adds to the experience I suppose.
Hello my friend
Cons
-It's full of Indians
- People are heavily controlled/restricted by their religions and families. In the beginning I thought the closeness was nice, however many people live a very sheltered life and they are judged harshly for every small decision they make. Many people are shocked when I tell them I'm travelling alone and how could my father possibly allow such a thing?!
- Many Indians seem to be on the phone 99% of the time, and will shove their mobile in your face, forcing you to video call and make conversation with their relatives who can't even speak English. At tourist sites they will experience everything via their phone's camera rather than in real life. I thought the US was bad for this, but social media addiction here is something else...
- Public defecation and urination everywhere. Even if there's a free toilet available a few meters away, for some reason people would rather urinate up the wall next to it rather than use it. Maybe because the toilets aren't cleaned regularly.
- Hassled for selfies every 5 minutes, if they even ask you in the first place. If you say no they'll sometimes get angry and ask why, then take pictures of you anyway.
- People will film and photograph you in public without even speaking to you first, like that Black Mirror episode.
- Cow poop and urine everywhere. When it rains, it runs all over the streets and becomes a slip hazard. It smells terrible, mixed among the smell of garbage, petrol, burning and incense.
- Dirt everywhere. You will need to wash your clothes frequently, just going for a short walk means you'll be covered in dust.
oh you're a woman?
Shouldve emphasized that first.
- Speaking of washing clothes, I have had my underwear stolen (creepy), and sometimes clothes will somehow come back dirtier than when you handed them over if you use a laundry service.
- Constant honking for no reason. Even if you're deep in the countryside far away from even a village. It makes walking a miserable experience. It is physically painful, like someone loudly shouting in your ear every second. I haven't got used to it after 6 months.
- Very difficult to walk down the roads. Bricks, cow poop, dog poop, rubble, litter, food waste, motorbikes, cars, broken pavement, street vendors, etc. means you cannot walk in a straight line, no matter whether you're in a small village or a large city. There is always someone walking in front of you at the speed of a turtle, and you cannot easily overtake them due to the other obstacles.
- Tuktuk drivers will often charge foreigners 5 - 10x the local price, and not allow negotiation. So make sure to always use Ola or Uber where possible.
- Most hotels I've stayed in have been filthy, despite having high ratings on Booking.com. It seems a 9 star place in India would have 2 stars if it was in the US. Stained bed-sheets, dirty toilets, bad bathroom plumbing with water leaking everywhere, unwashed floors.
- People will act extremely friendly and invite you into their houses, then kick you out again once they've taken some selfies with you to upload to their Facebook and show their extended family/friends they have a "rich foreigner friend". They will also ask for a significant amount of money or a visa/job in your country. Making deep connections has been challenging for me here.
- People can be very controlling of you, telling you aggressively where to go and what to do. Strangers will bluntly ask you where you're going and what you're doing there, even in touristy areas so it can feel unwelcoming.
- I've been groped and harassed multiple times despite being a man, people have asked for my hotel room number and been acted extremely creepy.
- People will grab you and drag you around when showing you somewhere, sometimes even trying to hold your hand. It's meant to be a sign of friendship, but can feel uncomfortable for a westerner.
- Every hotel I've stayed in has had electricity and Wi-Fi outages, often multiple times per day.
- There doesn't seem to be drainage so streets will flood constantly when it rains.
- Waste collection exists, but many people burn trash in the streets. People will throw their litter outside the windows of their houses into their garden, and out of bus/car windows. So there is rubbish everywhere, even in the most remote places. Cows and dogs eat the plastic.
- Stray dogs everywhere in a bad condition, often with broken bones and cuts, often limping. I've seen people throw stones at dogs and hit them with brooms.
- Terrible driving, even on quiet roads. If you're walking down the street, people will drive into you like you're invisible instead of waiting half a second to park. Watch your feet as they may get ran-over. Overtaking around blind corners. Many people don't wear helmets on motorbikes, and drive on the wrong side of the road into busy incoming traffic. Road rage and aggression. People collide with each other all the time. I've seen so much blood and screaming on the roads and accidents which has been mentally challenging to deal with.
- Customer service is often terrible, in restaurants and shops staff will ignore you and play on their phones rather than take your money. I've walked out of a few shops/restaurants after being completely ignored after obviously waiting for a while. You often have to be very direct and speak loudly to them, but they would rather finish watching their TikTok video instead.
>- I've been groped and harassed multiple times despite being a man, people have asked for my hotel room number and been acted extremely creepy.
are these women or dudes or both?
why they are all hot indian dads & uncles of course SIR *grabs your package*
>I've seen so much blood and screaming on the roads and accidents which has been mentally challenging to deal with.
Where did you upload your videos?
>I've seen so much blood and screaming on the roads and accidents which has been mentally challenging to deal with
I saw a TukTuk fly down the road at Hampi with a family of women and kids and it rolled 3 times at speed as it was coming around the last corner. Not pretty seeing all the women and kids concussed and covered in glass and blood while the Rickshaw was half crushed.
- People rarely use headphones and will loudly blast their music and videos out of their phones on the street and in public transport.
- Getting a SIM card or taking a train is difficult for a foreigner due to bureaucracy.
- Some hotels will treat you more like a terrorist than a tourist. Endless paperwork, ID, phone calls with their manager/colleagues, etc.
- Food hygiene is terrible. I have had diarrhoea practically every day. It is kind of unavoidable in my opinion, because even expensive restaurants may use filthy tap water to wash vegetables, dishes, etc. Eating street food feels like playing Russian roulette. I've had severe sickness on multiple occasions which has knocked me out for days.
- People will spit everywhere all day, all the time. Make sure to keep the window closed on the bus, otherwise their flem will fly into your face (happened multiple times). They will also make loud throat noises. I've never seen this before in any other country.
- Pollution makes it often difficult to see very far.
- People will constantly ask for your phone number, then harass you asking for a visa to a western country, for you to give them a job, for you to lend money, for you to teach them English, etc. It is difficult to trust people, even if you thought you had a good intuition. Try not to give out your number or social media as you'll be video called multiple times per day for no reason or for you to speak to their distant relative.
- Hotel staff are noisy and often play music during the night, run up and down the stairs, sing loudly, slam doors, shout and laugh with each other as if they were children. Indian guests are often the same, waking up at 4am in the morning and arguing with their door open with their family for hours.
>Food hygiene is terrible. I have had diarrhoea practically every day. It is kind of unavoidable in my opinion, because even expensive restaurants may use filthy tap water to wash vegetables, dishes, etc. Eating street food feels like playing Russian roulette. I've had severe sickness on multiple occasions which has knocked me out for days.
It's absolutely insane that you would continue to keep traveling there and not just immediately leave. It's like you want to die or get parasites.
- Many clothing items are fake and fall apart within 5 minutes, whilst the shopkeeper will try and charge you more than the price of the original in the US if you're foreign. People think you're extremely wealthy. Negotiating is difficult and stressful, sometimes the shopkeeper will refuse to sell for a fair price just to save face, same with tuktuk drivers.
- Impossible to plan anything, as people often have no sense of time and will not stick to their word. You cannot have any expectations of what tomorrow will bring.
Sorry if this sounds so negative, but I want to be honest about my experience, rather than the rose tinted glasses videos you see about travel on YouTube.
Thanks man, you've just confirmed all my pre-existing fears. Now I can sleept soundly knowing I'll never step foot in that shithole.
I'm very upset that I couldn't enjoy my trip more, I returned last month. I loved how India looked on paper and in videos, and there certainly was a weird magical feeling about being there, especially in the touristy cities.
However the cons are just so physically and mentally painful and overwhelming, the pros are not worth it. I've had some golden moments, but they only have lasted a few minutes out of months worth of stressful, lonely, painful travel.
same. it was on my list but it looks like a nightmare. even the vloggers that try to make it look positive have ended up showing the bad side of it.
They will like it a lot if you praise India, however India is one of the worst countries in the world for dating, women quite literally never speak to me here and I've been here since November. Even elderly woman keep their distance and seem kind of scared/cautious of foreigners. It's a very conservative society. Their families may not allow them to date goras, and you will likely be judged very harshly if you do.
Party places like Goa might be an exception, and to be honest as New Delhi is so huge and diverse then people may not care there. Hippie European travellers might be another option in India but I've not even bothered as they never wash.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but just go literally anywhere else if you want to find a wife, your own country will be 100 times easier even if it's difficult there.
Soon, I will take vacation and be spending a month traveling around some backwater beach towns in Kerala with the main goal of relaxing and cooming into the sweetest, tightest, (lawfully) youngest Indian girls I can find.
- The meat here is terrible. Chickens without many features are kept in cramped cages on the side of busy roads. There are flies everywhere on the meat. When meat is served, they will give you bad parts of the animal.
- No beef in much of the country. If you tell a Hindu you've eaten beef before in your home country, they will sometimes never talk to you again.
- Hindus will try and shove their religion down your throat 24/7, putting the red dot on your head forcibly and dragging you around temples. They will make you touch the feet of their grandparents to bless them and worship their Gods. Luckily Muslims are more respectful of your differences and wont make you do anything like this.
- Few bins in the street or in hotel rooms, people just chuck their rubbish outside.
>When meat is served, they will give you bad parts of the animal.
For one thing, I doubt it's any worse than US factory farming. You just don't get to see that.
For another thing, dark meat and offal are considered completely normal in nearly all of the world except America.
>- No beef in much of the country. If you tell a Hindu you've eaten beef before in your home country, they will sometimes never talk to you again.
Eat lamb then if you need red meat, it's delicious.
chickens "without many features?"
dafuq does that even mean dude
either learn english or don't use it
These people sound great OP, we need more of them in the west.
Wow this sounds just like Toronto.
Is Toronto as bad as people say? To me it seems like a highly developed western city.
Is a city with one of the highest HDI in the world as shitty as anonymous posters on an anime website from early 00s claim? Only one way to know really.
It's toronto a large City in canada. of course it's horrible and filled with arrogant and annoying people.
he's joking/exaggerating. Toronto is only comparatively bad when you put it against a white civilization, but still easily outclasses shitholes like India
He’s joking and referring to the recent influx of Indians in the past 8-10 years.
Mirrors my experience. I was in New Delhi for two months setting up a local office for the western company I was working for.
BTW the process from start to finish is supposed to take a week, but you know....India.
Absolutely the worst "people" in the world. A hellish existence that they all participate in making worse.
I seriously hate to say this but if you gave me a choice between killing all Black folk or killing all Indians, I would pick the Indians. They are a larger and worse existential threat to humanity.
Is there anything you disagreed with with what I wrote in the OP or anything you want to add to the pros and cons list?
I try to be polite but some western hippies love India and seem completely blind to any criticism.
have you even tried setting up an office in a Black person country like Sierra Leone or Gabon?
>travel throughout India extensively
This is where you went wrong. 90% of India is a hellscape with very few parallels in the rest of the world. Travelling between the 10% that is desirable (maybe its even less, 5%) is also a hellish experience.
"Travelling" India well means picking a couple of places to base yourself for a few weeks and exploring from there. Usually backpacker colonies like Dharamsala, or "nice" areas like the Kerala coast or T amil Nadu highlands
You are in Mumbai, probably the most westernised city in India.
Well done, do you want a medal Mr Gora Chad?
>has to go to a thirdie shithole to get laid
>chad
You're funny.
Cool it with the racism, bub.
It's odd because here in bongland I generally find the Indians here to be pretty based, yet the Indian tourists (direct from the subcontinent) in Thailand typically are a lot more like the people op is describing.
I guess that's the difference between braindrain intellectuals and common filth who've saved up for 5 years just for a £200 flight and 1 week holiday.
I’ve been wanting to check out Bangalore for a while now. Is it better than other places or is it a shithole by Indian standards too?
A white colleague of mine recently moved his whole family from Singapore to Bangalore because he got promoted to some regional leadership role for his company's expansion into India. I chatted with him about the topic of India and he's one of the mild-mannered foreigners who believes in all the drivel about India being a rising superpower, having a demographic dividend, shoring up manufacturing that China loses, etc. I warned him candidly about my own poor experience with subcontinentals and how they are generally low-IQ and low-quality workers and told him I believed the only worthwhile things in India are Indian women and biriyani.
Even on his expat package, he is constantly posting on social media about the sad state of affairs, for example: countless communications, three separate visits from Indian 'engineers' and spending a better part of his morning supervising some IIT rejects while they repair a stovetop that's been defective since they first took occupation of their rented home. Some total clusterfrick with an air con repair. He bought a scooter from some local dealership to run quick errands and the thing literally started producing smoke from the front console the day after he bought it. It hasn't even been two months for him yet I have a feeling he's going to lose his marbles very soon.
I just want to post up and work remote for a month or two, sample the local cuisine, and be comfy. all the digital memead websites say bangalore is good for that but i have a real job and most of those people are social media buzzword slingers.
Is Nepal any better?
Not OP but yes, by a magnitude. Nepal is to India like Switzerland to... I don't know, Mordor? It's bizarre considering Nepal is way more poor and should be worse at everything, it's actually the other way around.
Nepal is clean, the people leave you alone (all touts hang out at the airport taxi station), if you get approached on the street it's due to actual curiosity and willingness to have a conversation rather than "hello my friend Sir please come to my shop".
tl;dr frick India and visit gorgeous Nepal
>It's bizarre considering Nepal is way more poor and should be worse at everything, it's actually the other way around.
too many people in India, simple answer. It would be western-Europe developed if it had even half the population but that will never happen
bait
It's cleaner, safer and has better culture. Also, we don't hate whites because we weren't colonized. Pajeets are still butthurt about the Anglos.
Went to india on a familty trip to agra and delhi two months ago. I thought that India was just like home.
I was so wrong. Indians love honking and being rude. They stare at you for no reason. Especially at women who dress "normally" by western standards. The "men" stared at my 40 year old mother all the time because she has light skin and wears pants.
Indian touts are on another level. They don't go away even when you tell them to. Beware of getting scammed at all times. There's a saying in nepal "A dead indian could scam an alive Nepali."
The indian state seems to be overly paranoid. Entering any monument was a pain in the ass. Got my bags checked checked, did the T-pose and had guards scan me with a metal detector and check my pockets. It's a pain in the ass. Also, the laptop in my backpack wasn't allowed at 90% of their toursit sites cuz I was gonna hack into their Taj Mahal or some shit.
There's also a lack of societal trust in india. Nobody tells you to leave your bags outside at a fricking supermarket in Nepal. You just trust people to not steal shit. Lack of trust is also the reason you don't get towels and toilet slippers at most budget hotels in india. They're afraid that you'll take them home. Living in an environment like that makes you even more paranoid and hurts your experience. I kept checking my pockets every five minutes after seeing a woman's phone get stolen in Delhi.
>The indian state seems to be overly paranoid. Entering any monument was a pain in the ass. Got my bags checked checked, did the T-pose and had guards scan me with a metal detector and check my pockets. It's a pain in the ass. Also, the laptop in my backpack wasn't allowed at 90% of their toursit sites cuz I was gonna hack into their Taj Mahal or some shit.
I also have a hard time believing that you've actually lived in Nepal if you can't understand why India--a country with multiple active insurgencies, and which suffers mass-casualty terror attacks almost every year--would have "too much security" at major tourist sites.
FWIW, I found Nepalis way more obnoxious than Indians, at least when it came to running scams and being all-around obnoxious. First hotel we stayed at across the Nepal-West Bengal border was selling fake SIM cards, rip-off bus tickets, etc. The touts in Thamel were also way more obnoxious than touts in places like Paharganj, who'll leave as long as you ignore them.
>I also have a hard time believing that you've actually lived in Nepal if you can't understand why India--a country with multiple active insurgencies, and which suffers mass-casualty terror attacks almost every year
What? I don't remember anything bigger than the usual skirmish with the pakis/chinks over laddakh/kashmir happening in the last decade. What does living in Nepal have to do with knowing India's history? Believe it or not, Nepal has plenty of history for them to teach at schools. The hotel bombing is the only terror attack on India that I know of and I only know about it because I watched a movie about it a long time ago.
>The touts in Thamel were also way more obnoxious than touts in places like Paharganj
We had a group of four touts follow us in Paharganj while we were looking for a hotel. One guy showed us a hotel. We didn't like it and told him we'd look by ourselves. He called his buddy on the phone and told him what we looked like and what we wanted. Followed him into another hotel which was overpriced and trash too. Told him to piss off. Then he called his other buddy and tried to do it again. We figured it out and told them to stop following us. One of them started talking agressively. Told us he had every right to walk behind us and that he didn't care about us. Frickers followed us for 10 minutes till we found a decent hotel.
I've never heard of or seen touts being this annoying. Please do share your thamel tout experience. Oh and we didn't use google reviews or online booking sites for the hotel because a previous "high rated" hotel that we stayed at in agra turned out to have a bunch of fake 5 star reviews and the rooms weren't like the ones shown on the pictures. The TV and AC didn't even have remotes.
>FWIW, I found Nepalis way more obnoxious than Indians, at least when it came to running scams and being all-around obnoxious.
Wow. I didn't know my countrymen could beat the top dogs of the global scam industry. Save your grandmas from the microsoft tech support of Nepal. Must be why tourists always complain about Nepali people's behaviour on the internet.
Did they stare at you, honk at you while you were crossing the road, spit tobacco right next to your shoes, piss on a wall in the middle of the capital city in front of you?
>toilet slippers
is one for your balls, so they don't dip into the filth when you squat and splash?
>There's also a lack of societal trust in india. Nobody tells you to leave your bags outside at a fricking supermarket in Nepal. You just trust people to not steal shit. Lack of trust is also the reason you don't get towels and toilet slippers at most budget hotels in india. They're afraid that you'll take them home. Living in an environment like that makes you even more paranoid and hurts your experience. I kept checking my pockets every five minutes after seeing a woman's phone get stolen in Delhi.
This momo seller gets it. Indians are extremely solipsistic/competitive but live in a resource constrained society which makes life hell on earth there.
Not Nepal but you should get the idea from this picture.
wow wtf. is this real?
Yup, Indians have no consideration for their environment whatsoever.
It's just overpopulation but that problem is being solved by mass migration to England and Canada. WIthin a few decades India will look like the left side of the picture.
>but that problem is being solved by mass migration to England and Canada
you're a fricking moron
the relatively small numbers of indians getting out of india are a miniscule fraction of the growing population
this is your brain on /misc/. War with ching chongs would do way more in curbing the numbers then the handful making across the oceans
GODDAMMIT
>but why would you want to?
novelty, same reason i'd frick a midget chick.
But midgets are actually fricking hot
Dont worry mate this will be India 7 years from now
I spent a month (on a tour - but a very basic style one that allowed for free time and organising your own stuff. Basically just organised all travel and accomadtion which was amazing) in Rajasthan 5 years ago and loved every second of it and have thought India to be one of, if not my favourite, countries I have ever been too.
But everything you have said is totally true. I cam back immediately wanting to do a 3-6 month backpacking trip on my own but just found when I got to the realities of it, it was just too hard and too exhausting thinking of it and im relatively well travelled in developing countries. Even being somewhat sheltered on a 'tour' I quickly got sick of everyone - not even trying to scam you - just trying to talk to you and grab you everywhere and yes, having cellphones shoved in your face. Ditto the sexual harassment. So much is talked about 'lone female travellers' to India, its constantly talked about, but no one talks about lone men. Im a short blonde haired and blue eyed guy (then 23) and I had multiple occasions of sexual harrasmt. Had my face stroked in a clearly sexual way, had the guys bringing up my bags when I first got to Delhi (stayed in Karol Bagh which is a nice area and would recommend generally) fight over who could take them up and then the 2 guys wouldn't leave my room for an awkward time and made it clear they were interest in me sexually. I had a guy grind on me on the metro - shoving his hard dick on the lower part of my back (you are jammed in and cant move so I felt this hard dick on me for a few minutes) and he just grinned like a maniac at me.
So if I was rich and could travel in style/privately, Id love to go back to India - its amazing. But as a backpacker its tough.
GDP is a measure of a nation's israeli subversion and subservience, not of its quality of life or level of civilization.
timestamped showing you're actually in india please sir
they put a butthole on their flag
Can someone tell me the differences between Peru/Colombia and India? Which seemed more developed?
I assume Colombia and Peru are more dangerous, but the standards of accommodation and hygiene are higher? Dating much easier?
Peru and Colombia have issues with garbage collection, sanitation, etc. but they're a world away from India in terms of generally how gross the place is. A lot of this is due not to general poverty but to absurd religious practices. India can be unreal just from the amount of animal (and human) shit on the street in urban areas.
>differences between Peru/Colombia and India? Which seemed more developed?
LOL. You've gotta be kidding. You're talking about countries on opposite ends of the spectrum. India is one of the poorest countries in the world, while Latin Americna countries like Brazil or Colombia are considered middle income. Take a look at a GDP chart.
Colombian here. Colombia and Peru are mid income countries with high inequality, and this is key. Standards in Colombia SHOULD be similar to a small/irrelevant european country. Because of inequality (and corruption) they're not and that's why the country is so dangerous and shitty.
However LATAM has mostly working systems. Working democracies, working sanitation, working education, somewhat working judicial systems etc. Sometimes to high or low standards and sometimes coverage isn't great, but they work for the most part. As an example murder rate in Bogota is lower than in Washington DC (just numbers, you're still safer in DC from a mugging for ex). Literacy is higher in Colombia than the US. Healthcare coverage is higher in Peru and Colombia than the US. Tap water is safe for human comsumption in most main cities, and HDI indexes in cities like Medellin and Bogota are close to those of european countries (you leave main cities and that's another story).etc. You get the idea, not everything sucks.
India is a hellhole. Overpopulated, dirty, uneducated and without basic functioning systems, despite being what should be considered a wealthy country. I'll give it to them that the country overall is safer for men. But rape is an epidemic for women. I met and Indian woman who told me she woulndn't go outside by herself for fear of being raped. And my cousin's husband (She's colombian, he's from spain) Said that he had never seen something worse than an Indian hospital. He works in fricking Afghanistan and she works out of Yemen and now Venezuela. That oughta give you some perspective.
Vid unrelated
>despite being what should be considered a wealthy country
What do you mean by this, anon?
>Because of inequality (and corruption) they're not
Cope. Everyone knows why, and it has nothing to do with muh gini coefficient
you're right. It's glowies
Cope. It's inborn human characteristics.
>Vid unrelated
Might be related, child cage matches could be the future in developing shitholes once the MMA trend gets there. Also I think that kid's arm got broken at the end
YOU BLOODY BASTARD BENCHOD!
uh oh, somebody didn't do the needful
What parts of india did you go to, and are they all equally bad? What about the Tamil Nadu and Kerala? Why did you stay so long if you hated it so much?
>People that stick to Mumbai, Goa, and Kerala have good experiences.
>People that go North, hate India. People that try traveling extensively hate India.
>People that try to have an "authentic" experience mysteriously disappear
>Go to the South, stay put. Have fun.
Not surprised. The indians online are intolerable, seeing them behave in person it must be the worst nightmare imaginable.
The only countries worth visiting in South Asia are Nepal, the Maldives, and Sri Lanka.
AVOID India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.
I truly don't mind indians. The ones I work with at big 4 are alright. It's tough to joke around because the language barrier is a b***h but they at least seem professional. Might be an opportunity to go to their office in Bangalore in the near future but idk about taking it up.
I just don't know what to believe anymore. I want to go to India, it looks amazing, but I also hear so many people b***h about it.
I figure I'll go on a short, like 2 week, trip and go back one day if I didn't hate it.
>I suspect the people who love it enjoy the servility and pathetic nature of Indians and they like feeling superior to the of filthy humanity around them.
That's more applicable to SE Asia, I think.
India lovers tend to be mostly of "spiritual"/new age type.
SighSee here, Any expat here ever try doing business in Kerala? What is it like? State by state India can vary dramatically. Considering investing significant 6fig sums into a teak venture that has to be geographically located in that region
You're going to lose all your money. Teak logging is filthy with legal pitfalls.
You have any contacts to ongoing Logging operations/mills? I specialize in river salvage, scuba diving crews recover centuries old timbers that were cut during the colonial period
if you want to invest in India, invest in construction adjacent industries. If it gets up to even a 3rd of what China had going on, it will be pretty great return on a cement factory
I’m a small bizness guy in the US used to do Cypress in the south, some work in Belize for Mahogany. But I haven’t heard of anyone relocating to India for teak. Thai teak industry is nationalized and a messy can of worms.
Burma is still embargoed and the old man who made his fortune there in the 80s is retired
Where's the photos then?
For me it's second from the far right
Absolutely based taste. I could do second from left as well, but second from right is prime.
somebody asked him to post a timestamp earlier in the thread and he suddenly disappeared, so he's probably LARPing
>Eventually I'll prob try it though.
kys, literally why
i've heard numerous times from people who visited India that either you love it and will come back, or you hate it and will never come back. there is no in between.
Samegay who lived in India, I’d say that tends to be true—I’ve met lots of other travelers who love India to the point they start getting a bit whacky, and others who don’t do anything but complain. Having said that, another common sentiments seems to be, “This is probably one of the most interesting, overwhelming places I’ve been in my life. It’s been an incredible journey and we’ve made some great memories, but I’m not sure if I’d want to come back and deal with all this again.”
IME, dealing with India gets easier with time. Once you’ve gotten up the slope, everything becomes pretty fricking easy-mode (even moreso if you learn Hindi or another widely-spoken language). There are so many different services and companies and modes of transport that getting from one place to another is really never that difficult.
But you do have to have a firm grasp on prices and negotiations, since there are a lot of people who seem to think that all foreigners have unlimited money—to the point where they’ll insist on some exorbitant sum for a trip around the block, and then refuse a price that’s far above what any Indian would offer.
(for what it’s worth, a lot of scams aren’t specific to foreigners—Indians will try to rip off Indians from other cities and regions, too, but they know they can’t get away with the same shit they could with foreign travelers, so they’ll usually ask for a lot less money)
Or I could just like, not go to that shithole and go to Nepal instead?
Do whatever you want, m8.
It sounds a bit like my experience in Vietnam. I loved the country, but frick me, the constant harassment and over charging, not to mention scams. It was next level.
Your mistake was mingling with the locals instead of larping as a colonial.
Obviously inflates your budget, but a much more enjoyable experience.
Post timestamp showing you’re actually in india
post timestamp with nearest designated shitting street/ shitting beach (if in mumbai) in the background.
I'm not in India any longer and not the anon who claims he was. I'm someone else.
Do you tell them that you're living in india or are they even open to tourists
>How people date here is that you literally just random message a girl on an online app and see if she bites
That explains the behaviour of Indians on the internet ("show bobs and vagena" etc.)
people keep responding to this idiot when he’s shown no proof he’s even in India and keeps ignoring people who ask
Honestly you sound like you take dumps in the street
threads full of jeets complaining about how easy it is for white boys to frick their women
Is this really a thing
Why did you stay there for six months if it was horrible after one month
No, just skeptical because the same spammer made 20 thread about COOMing in POOland to trigger the PAJEET MOD, bet a lot of you are just Samegays
>hey don't even realise what happened until after I finished.
Don't they get mad then and isn't it a major butthole move not to use one anon
Hey look guys a moron
samegay
You're one more indignity away from going full bloody basterd b***h on us, aren't you?
>Most get upset, yes
What do you do then when she gets mad? Have you ever gotten one pregnant anon? Do most ask for condoms btw and what do the virgins tend to do?
Bruh how, women notice if you use a condom or not
Of course they do.
He's having you on.
How obtuse are you?
>A wild Currycel appeared!
>Currycel used seething!
>It had no effect.
make them super wet. they can't notice. clearly
has no clue how to do that.
I'm so tired of coomers.
>poojeets going full basterd b***h now
Kek
I did a moderate amount of cooming in need Delhi. I never used a condom. It was all college age women 20-25ish.
They never asked for one and frankly seemed bewildered at what to do with a dick at all, so I just pounded them out and nutted inside of them.
A couple of the girls were acting delirious when I was through and were worried because their 'body was shaking'. They had never had an orgasm before in their lives, until me.
Indians are very sheltered and segregated people.
BTW no Indian c**t knows how to wash her snatch. I don't know what is wrong with them, but pussy is pussy when you are on a dry spell in a foreign country.
>Indians are very sheltered and segregated people.
kek are you serious? You mist be hanging out in remote, distant villages with the dredges of society.
>no Indian c**t knows how to wash her snatch.
At my university there was one Indian woman dancing in the small club. The entire fricking place smelt of rancid body oder until she left.
>India has one of the largest middle class populations in the world
India is sub-saharan africa levels of GDP. I would choose TPD over TND if it were not for my love of warm wet desi pussy.
>if it were not for my love of warm wet desi pussy.
You sound like an incel. Probably the same LARPer.
Thank you for doing the needful sir.
Now this folks, is called "Cope with a side of seethe".
Indian pussy hits different. I've only banged four before (never been to India) three were from India, one was from SA but Indian. All three of them had the best pussies I've ever had. One even had GGG breasts.
This Indian Vandaloo Curry Cope is excellent today. Compliments to the chef!
You seem like someone who only bangs degenerates.
Or larping.
>people staring without looking away
What's the fricking deal with this? Every story I hear from a westerner of any race visiting India mentions locals just stare at them on public transport and in restaurants and shit
I'm gonna take my time reading all this shit because oh my lord this thread opened my eyes about a country i would never visit
How would this Jeet know he was actually a "cleaner"?
Because it's a made-up story. Indian men love to use the imaginary "White bogeyman" as a means to explain their own sexual inadequacy. It's very common. In reality, there are barely any foreigners in India--and certainly not enough to actually have any noticeable impact on local men's ability to find decent women.
>This will be canada in 20 years and they deserve it
But Canada and UK get the best that India has to offer so they will be fine. India on the other hand will continue to lose all their intelligent people and will be stuck in the dark ages forever.
>But Canada and UK get the best that India has to offer so they will be fine
No, they really don't. Canada is seen as a second- or third-preference destination for most Indians. People go there because it's easier to obtain permanent residency than in the United States. They'll offer P.R. and citizenship to just about anyone who so much as manages to get in on a student visa.
I have Indian friends who are working in Canada right now. Most of them hate it; one is counting down the months to when she's eligible for citizenship, and plans to ditch to Europe the second she gets a Canadian passport and a good job offer.
It's weird that I know a lot of Indians and they basically just seem like funny sounding (and brown) Europeans. Yet I'd never go to India, seems like my idea of hell.
I am Indian, ethnically, grown up in the West and I hate going to India. Sometimes I have to go to see relatives. I agree with all your points, I get funny looks too because I have lighter skin and don't behave in the same degenerate way they do. None of the simple pleasures in life are available in India. You can't comfortably walk two blocks to a store because of the way people drive, shit all over the streets and people constantly harassing you. I'd rather visit Somalia than ever go back.
Good morning sirs!
You were warned
You didn't listen
absolute madman for getting that crash on camera.
>unfortunately for India's gene pool, the driver survived
Unbelievably based
fricking kek, homies got wienery and janman cleaned house
What's indian pussy like
BO and whatever curry they most recently ate.
PUNGENT
gay
I've been to India and I'll never go back to that shit hole. Every fricking street shitter tries to rip you off constantly. the infrastructure is complete dogshit.
Mumbai from bombay airport was the biggest hell scape I have ever seen. It was literal smog and shit shacks as far as the eye could see. ALL fricking grey. not a spec of green.
is Mumbai that bad? Going in October
He's never been there, guaranteed.
mumbai is still filthy but a lot better than d*lhi
Was anyone around for the Mumbai hotel shootings like 12 years ago
I’m a third worlder(Filipino) who went to India for a university project and since then, I’ve never been more grateful of being born here in the Philippines.
I'm more interested in what made you think going to India would be even 1% pleasurable
OP, or anyone else ever been to Kerala and is it nice?
I'm hearing there a lot of real estate over there to buy right now
I considered making my first ever digital nomad stop there, seeing I would be going from Europe to SEA, but India is much closer and Kerala is supposedly "developed".
Well after a short StreetView tour, no fricking way. It is just as much as a shithole as anywhere else in India, and they don't even have beaches lmao. The coast is full of trash and probably shit as well, the water is brown.
I get the feeling they don't take tourists.
It's more of an annual flooded marsh than anything. With huge, malaria carrying mosquitoes. No go.
One thing I've learned during my (admittedly limited) time in India and having interacted with Indians around the world, I can absolutely see why the idea of a caste system makes sense to them. The mistake they made was thinking it was hereditary and not a random shuffle like it seems to be.
The caste system is the worst aspect of India. Even moderate castes will think they are above you, and they will always look down upon others except for those in higher castes.
It gives them a feeling of unabated superiority even though in the end, they are still brown, dumb and poor.
This is why I love Bali, because their caste system is merely for religious ceremonies and they’re all considered equal otherwise. Also, they don’t like Indians kek
>25.191170022167203, 73.28508123572398
Tell me more about Indians in Bali.
its Canada right now bro
>source: I live in British Columbia