Been doing research on my family name and where exactly my family comes from in Italy and I narrowed it down to the exact village/region. I want to travel there for a month+ do some exploring, just really see for myself the area my family came from over 100 years ago, and if possible end up moving there. But I wanna know a few things if anyone can help me
How does dating in Italy, northern to be exact, compare to dating in the US for a man in his late 20s-early 30s? To be specific how likely am I to meet a decent woman to start a family with?
Does anyone know how well tradesmen are paid there?
What’s the COL like for a single man? What about a family of 4?
If I’m 6’2” 205 lean and not a total social moron will I mog or are there plenty of us who are my height or taller?
Fishing? Nature/hiking?
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>Been doing research on my family name and where exactly my family comes from in Italy and I narrowed it down to the exact village/region.
And how exactly did you do that unless you have the records from where they were born? You did ancestry research or just searched surnames?
>I want to travel there for a month+ do some exploring, just really see for myself the area my family came from over 100 years ago
Do you have any connection to Italian culture in your family?
>and if possible end up moving there
Do you know Italian? It will be hard for you navigate life and bureaucracy.
>How does dating in Italy, northern to be exact, compare to dating in the US for a man in his late 20s-early 30s?
Do you speak Italian? What can you offer as a man? Few young people have children here or want to stay here.
>Does anyone know how well tradesmen are paid there?
Nothing is paid well here and you need citizenship to work, no one will sponsor visa.
>What’s the COL like for a single man?What about a family of 4?
Depends on where you live but cost of living is generally quite low
>If I’m 6’2” 205 lean and not a total social moron will I mog or are there plenty of us who are my height or taller?
There are short and tall people everywhere, it's just more common to be shorter on average here especially in the South. I see plenty of tall men, and plenty of short men.
>Fishing? Nature/hiking?
Lots of old men fishing in the sea. Nature is beautiful but hiking is more of a northern activity.
I think you should have gave more information about yourself before asking all these questions and saying what you want. You know nothing about Italy but already considering moving there.
>how did you do that
I have genealogy records a family member put together years ago. It’s also not a common surname. I’m not named “Christopher Russo” and I’m some far removed Americanized New Jersey guido swine lmao.
Everything will be handled and to wean your concern about some westernized asswipe invading and shitting up your country, yes I have a connection to my culture due to having a nonna who moved here relatively recently (1960s), yes I’ve been learning Italian the last few weeks, yes I can get a citizenship even if it takes extra planning and work. None of this would happen for a few years not even my trip. I’m not about to go do it in 6 months. The trip alone will be planned for a few years before it happens. Moving there will be based on a more informed decisions after I’ve taken multiple trips. Easily looking 5-10 years down the line for me to seriously think about moving there. I won’t even do the first trip until I feel I speak Italian fluent enough. Everything will be handled correctly. I hate it here for obvious reasons and I want to eventually die where my family came from. I’m not gonna move somewhere and basically replicate all the things I seek to escape from here even if I included some shit posting on my post about mogging people.
You have to go back.
Alright that seems reasonable. I'm just being harsh because I went through this process myself, I have dual citizenship too and I gotta be honest it's so inefficient to do anything here. And living here is kind of boring. Why not come visit for some time and try different programs like a language course or a cooking course and see how it is. I am curious what region you are from, I can advise you whether it's wise to live there or not.
Trust me dude I understand being harsh about this. I act the same way when I hear about people wanting to move to my state, which is all kinds of fricked up and nearly unlivable due to so many morons moving here. I get it.
>boring
I think that can be argued, I find clubs and bars boring. I prefer hiking, spending time in nature and mountains, going on walks in cities, gardening, fishing. Maybe I’M boring but that’s what makes me happy. The region is Piemonte, Turin to be exact. From I can find Turin looks amazing, seems to be what I’m looking for. The other half is from Abruzzo. I mainly want to visit Piemonte, but will probably spend some time in Abruzzo too.
>You have to go back.
nta but no, literally YOU do. you are the one in need of returning.
Cope, seethe, & samegay harder redit cuck, after you go back of course.
I’ve been starting to determine it may be better for visiting. I have a handful of states I’m looking into moving to. Just leaving my state may solve a lot of problems for me
I’m coming and you will do nothing to stop me just as you’re doing nothing about the invasion of nigs in lampedusa right now.
>will i mog
Lmao, you Americans really crack me up. You really think the entire world is just some playground for your social rejects to play sex tourist in, don’t you? Was going to give you a serious answer as well until it became apparent you’re just another sex tourist in disguise.
>If I’m 6’2” 205 lean and not a total social moron will I mog or are there plenty of us who are my height or taller?
Northern Italians get a lot of flack from the south, for being half german. No surprise, because austria controlled them for a long time, and the HRE tried and failed to do so half of their lifetime. Plenty of german blood goes around there, and lombardy is named after a german tribe who settled and controlled northern italy at their time. Your moron ass won't be anything special.
As for anything else, corruption is a big issue. Italy basically is "Greece 0.7". The government is inefficient, people cheat on their taxes, contracts and obligations. It's a med thing, really.
>To be specific how likely am I to meet a decent woman to start a family with?
What's your income, and how will it change after moving? US schooling system is lower middling at best, and Italy isn't all that much better either. Also, faith. Are you an upstanding catholic, a heathen protestant, or an unspeakable other faith? Pretty sure in rural regions the priests still won't marry protestants and catholics.
All in all, get of your high horse, you, your education, your money - they aren't all that special. You won't get an easy ride in Italy for being a fricking c**t from the other side of the world.
I know it’s not perfectly accurate but dna testing says I’m only like 7% German. The rest is Italian.
>how will income change
If COL is actually as low as I’m seeing, not a whole lot. About a $10k difference. Depending how OT works for my field there, and how much is available, it’s potentially negligible. I already generally take 10-15 hours of OT each week but if that’s not an option it could be an issue
>yes I’m catholic.
>get off your high horse you won’t get an easy ride
I just want to move there and have a modest quiet life dude. I’m not sure where you’re drawing that inference from my post. I thought my mentions of mogging would be well received here. I guess I should have considered this isn’t SighSee afterall.
Ah, well. Not raising to my bait. That's swell. We get plenty of americans here that bought into state propaganda, and think they are gods gift to the world. I was a bit much on purpose. My apoligies. Enough about that though.
>OT
Yeah buddy, that's one difference. Most EU countries dont pay out overtime - you get it back 1 to 1 as time off. Terms and conditions may apply, as most companies don't allow you to hoard more than 20 to 30 hours at a time. You don't take them? They get deleted at the end of the month. Paid out? Highly irregular, but possible depending on your industry and profession. That beind said "Highly irregular" applies in most cases.
>I just want to move there and have a modest quiet life dude.
Yeah, that "mogging" comment was out line. Not for the 90% or so on this board that want to coom, but the ones that want to find a wife? Wrong chord, mate. But, as stated previously - extra abrasive for US supremacists.
On a serious note, Italians are VERY big on family. They, and spaniards iirc, aren't prone to moving out of their parents house into their thirties - when they can afford to start their own household. With how things are going, that number is obviosly going down the drain, too.
Cut short. If you can keep a job good enough to afford a down-payment and further, you should have no problems attracting a wife. That much is middling middle-class tier or thereabouts by now. If you can´t afford such luxuries, well. Brush up on your italian, get toned, look into advanced personal hygine and fashin / style. Also, the hand talks - italians literally can't talk without involving their whole body. It's strange for most, but somewhat strange to them if you don't. Another "med"(mediterranian) thing, really.
Thank you for the reply. I guess taking several trips, and rather than my old plan of saving for a house here, I’ll look into the costs for whichever area I decide on and get a house there if I do follow through in deciding to move there.
I found the hand thing funny. I’ve been called out numerous times by friends, apparently I do this when I speak and don’t even realize it.
My pleasure. Though having said all that previously, all I mentioned is the POV of an outsider. Kind of. Bavarian / South German here. We got PLENTY of economic italian immigrants over the years.. well, the last century, I suppose. For all I know about them - and I know a lot abou tthem - they are as I told you; Family oriented, faithful to kin and friends - and possibly abusive to those they don't care about or for. Really, they are kinda like mexicans to us - if mexicans did predominantly honest work, and tried to integrate into local society, that is.
Still, take if with a big grain of salt. If any italian anon could weigh in and point out the finer points? Not like one US bachlour looking for a fine Italian wife would do any harm.
>Not like one US bachlour looking for a fine Italian wife would do any harm.
I dislike that you boil it down to that like it’s my sole purpose for wanting to move there. It’s not even half. If I met a decent American girl before it happened, I would hope she would move there with me. If I’m still single by the time I live there, I still want to start a family and that pretty much means I’d have to find a local woman. I mainly just want to leave this country and I msure you can imagine all the reasons why, to live and die somewhere I actually like, bonus if my family comes from there.
Lol
>I mainly just want to leave this country and I msure you can imagine all the reasons why
Yes, indeed. The USA is slowly rotting away. But, so is all of the western world. In the US, it manifest in obviousy ways - your roads and logistics are crumbling, as are your social security systems. But, so is all of the western world. Be advised; The decline of the US is obvious, but EU countries try to keep their crumbling obvert - and deeper their fall will be, once it comes. The rot, is in all of our lands.
I don't care to bring forth the facts that would support my statements, so disregard it at your leisure. Just know that you are exchanging one evil for another. Though, granted - the rot is strongest in the US, and the rest of the west has maybe a generation before it cathes up to there. If the fallout of the failing US doesn't reach them first - and I fear that it will, before long.
Nearly everywhere in Italy was invaded by a germanic tribe some time, even Sicily, that doesn't make italy germanic. All the genetic studies say the north is mainly Celtic and native Italic (Rhaetic so Etruscan), the center is mainly Italic and the south is a mix of Italic and Greek. Germanic DNA is a trace everywhere except Sudtirol and partly Trentino
>How does dating in Italy, northern to be exact, compare to dating in the US for a man in his late 20s-early 30s? To be specific how likely am I to meet a decent woman to start a family with?
many beautiful women, many average or troll women too. randomly meeting a woman that is quality is less likely imo, there is the language factor but italians grow up with their friend groups at school and are pretty tight knit, so the beautiful woman that isn't a turbo roastie will have a relationship from her social circle. obviously everywhere social circle is the best way to meet i suppose, but italians it is hard to break into.
being foreign can be a plus for a subsection of women, typically those that want to speak english and expand their horizons beyond italy. if you are outside a major city, and past uni age the single women there might be intrigued of someone different, there may be others that only see a future with an italian guy.
overall if you got an average girl, probably better than average american girl, if you went for turbo roastie gold digger, italians are some of the most skilled
My goal is to assimilate as much as I can. If I do have kids, I want them to grow up “Italian” with the countries influences instead of the influences in America.
i never looked into but saw there was an income tax relief incentive for new immigrants (or returning italians) if you stayed 2+ years, for 5 years + 5 additional years depending if you had kids or started a business etc stuff to benefit the future of society
the north half of the country was 70% relief, the poorer southern part 90%
there are other taxes too, so its not all taxes
Depending on what happens with the 6000 immigrants that just arrived, illegally, from Africa this idea could be bust. If there’s just gonna be shipment after shipment like that idk what to do. Seems I can never win.
Just don't bother. I've seriously looked into moving and it isn't worth it with the bureaucracy and shit salaries and lack of jobs, even moreso if you're used to the US. There is a reason why there is mass youth unemployment and mass youth emigration from Italy. Even if you're looking to settle in the North, it isn't worth it. Italy is for visiting, not living.
If at least one of your grandparents is/was a documented Italian citizen, you have a shot at naturalizing; I have three American-born friends who now carry Italian passports. But if you’re not eligible to become a citizen, it’s very, very unlikely that you will be able to move there as a tradesman. Italy has a surplus of tradesmen, half of whom work in Switzerland or Germany to avoid starvation on Italian wages (if they can even find work at home).
And you will need to speak Italian to survive there, obviously, if you don’t already. Italians speak some of the worst English in Europe, possibly behind even the Spanish.
You talk like a mentally ill moron. Stay home.
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