Me and wife are honeymooning in Italy.
Any advice? Never been out of my country before
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Any advice? Never been out of my country before
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>Any advice?
the biggest cities are shitholes full of Black folk, arabs, trash and gypsies, not very romantic
go to rural villages or medieval small towns in the hilly central part of the country
and NOT in the summer because it's 40 °C
Listen to this anon, Rome was cool for a bit but the trashy people killed it for me. I had the best time just chilling in middle of nowhere towns. I thought Tuscany was boring as hell. Y'all should check out Elba if you're not going during winter. I went in May and the weather was marginal but still got some swimming and beach drinking. The crowds were minimal around that time.
cities are fine outside the main tourist attractions and shopping street
if you need to see the main attractions, early in the morning is best
Excellent choice. Rent a car and visit Rome, Amalfi and maybe Sicily. You can skip Naples. Better to watch the south than the north, although going to Venice is a must in anyone's life.
>visit all the tourist traps!
Yank detected
Are you really telling me that you would go to Italy and not go to Rome because other people also go? Yeah dude it's totally not worth it to go to the colosseum. Also if you're ever in London don't go to the British Museum, you might run into some people there. And if you go to the Maldives absolutely avoid going yo the beach.
Depends on what you want from a trip, anon. I'm one for getting lost and immersed and having bizarre experiences with random people. I detest going to a place and having my trip essentially planned for me by completing a list of the top 10 tourist attractions in wherever it is I'm visiting. Those places are usually completely underwhelming. However, to be fair to you, OP is on a honeymoon so perhaps doing that kind of thing isn't so bad after all.
Imagine contrariangayging yourself out of seeing famous structures you've heard about your entire life. Do you morons know it's possible to hit the tourist shit and go off the beaten track? Or are you too frickin poor to afford a decent length trip?
Agreed this board has a major hipster problem just like every board on this site. Agree completely, imagine going to Rome and not checking out the coliseum or not even stepping foot in Venice because “that’s too touristy and I’m le epic trailblazer going places no man has gone before”. Cringe to the absolute max.
He has been shitting up threads without ever contributing or suggesting alternatives.
I am the one who went to Torino, to whom you have replied. I hike a lot, I always hike at least twice in each of my trip, I do birdwatching, so I always rent a car and go to places with not so obvious access. I even go to places that barely anybody goes, such as mudflats.
But cities have things that are inherently unique to them, especially some palaces and museums, and even great restaurants.
Why don't you contribute with an alternative then?
>noooo you can't enjoy things I don't
>STOP GOING TO THOSE PLACES BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THEM
Autismo detected
>noooo it's gOOOOd to go to tourist traps to take photos at old buildings with your chinese phone
seethe, you are a brainlet
also
>we will solely go to small towns
you see how moronic you are? there aren't only population centers in the world, there are infinite more possibilities like mountains, forests, abandoned buildings, things that normies like you have no idea even exist
>imagine going to Rome
uhhhh, it's a massive shithole, why would i go there in first place?
Ok so why ask if you already have it figured out? What's the point if you want to le discover le places?
, it's a massive shithole, why would i go there in first place?
Jesus Christ, nice intellectual honesty.
>posts stock photo from above
then when you actually go there it looks like this
trash looks tidied up nicely
>Take photo of trash bins
>Contain trash
What did he mean by this?
>N-no I saw trash I am literally going INSANO!
>oh yeah let's go to all the tourist traps to take photos at old buildings with my chinese phone instead of doing something more original and clever
amerimutt moron detected
There is difference between Chinese tourist and random non-tourist blacks. Milan has tons of black people who aren’t tourists. And seeing any kind of black person is extremely off putting and rude. I’m not sure why europe does this to their visitors.
It's done to punish and humiliate the locals not the tourists
Imagine being so asspained by American existence that you have to pretend that these things are mutually exclusive.
David Bowie looking real good here.
I'm going to Genoa next month, staying outside of town in Camogli. Any non-troll tips appreciated
portofino is a popular place
gypsies and illegals are annoying at the tourist attraction sites, but as is said, see the top attractions outside peak hours, spend time in comfy local neighborhoods instead when in cities.
the top 2-3 attractions in these cities with famous ancient rome sites or famous renaissance art+wealth cathedrals are worth it - doing this for every city can be tiring but seeing at some of the cities you stop by is certainly worth looking into. at the same time i wouldnt feel guilty about missing anything you cant be bothered to see.
if you get a car - if you are into sightseeing, there are ancient ruins, royal palaces, small ruins, world war remnants.
But the countryside, lakes, mountains, seaside are also worth looking into.
Do you want the most popular ones or alternatives? because the famous destinations have some social clout or prestige to them that you might revel in more than simply just being in a comfy place.
you are looking for what options you have- when people are looking for what answers you'd give what do you want to do/imagine in your dream trip
there are agrotourismo accommodations - farms that accept tourists for meals or hotel - their quality varies a lot
I took the train to Bolzano and was greeted with a park filled with africans. Literally filled to the brim. Absolutely disgusting.
the mountains there look beautiful, what a shame.
Greetings fellow travelers. Going to sometime Rome next week on a standby ticket. Any recommendations for comfy areas where I can get dinner without getting ripped off by tourist restaurants?
those restaurants are probably closed for ferragosto
Isn’t that shit just one day? Also how might I best avoid Nubian gentlemen?
the day is, but many businesses that cater to just locals take 2-3 weeks off in august.
there will still be places with good food dont worry.
also sometimes public transport schedule is less frequent more like a sunday schedule all month.
Thanks fren. Will keep that in mind.
Testaccio, Trastevere.
Check the menu and compare with other restaurants. Everything is more expensive now than the previous years. You could eat and also buy some typical foods at Eataly but it may be expensive, free to visit though so it's worth to give a visit
Thanks fren. Will check it out.
i dont have restaurant specifics but i make a self indulgent post about types of rome food to look for
any large country will have popular specialties in one region available in another region especially poor people moving to the capital, or some nice dishes that are just generally available everywhere.
pasta dishes: cacio e pepe, carbonara, amatriciana, gricia and arrabiata are maybe more rural parts of lazio.
Often pecorino romana is the preferred topping cheese (other regions have their pecorinos, parmigiano reggiano[found closer to parma and reggio emilia shockingly] and grana padano (in the norf, poor mans parmeasan?) are other common cheese pasta toppings used in italy
you've heard of panchetta, bacon but implies the name pork belly, but a lot of roman dishes guanciale - pork cheek is more typical
they put more thought into what pasta shape should go with what type of sauce, there are general rules but i dont know them off hand. thin sauces with smooth pastas and thick/chunky sauces with textured or rigged pasta? i duno.
youve heard of gnocchi - there is more than one type. gnoicchi alla romana is like a semolina casserol dish. (norf there is gnocco fritto which is fried dough, often with sweet or savoury topping)
There are things you would expect to enjoy and there are things for someone more adventurous.
If you ever watch a foodie travel show of Rome (like bizarre foods) they like to feature Quinto quarto - fifth quarter, the organ meat from butchered animals became part of traditional dishes because it was more afordable.
pajata - the intestines of a baby animal that is still breastfeeding, cooked in tomato sauce with pasta.
testarelle whole head of a lamb or kid
trippa alla romana -tripe in tomato based sauce (trippa alla milanese is similar but white beans included)
coratella - heart lungs esophagus with artichoke (artichoke is pretty popular in rome)
Roman artichoke braised served in oile
israeli Artichoke - fried
There are different types of pizza - not even counting the toppings but styles of dough and servings.
Rome popular is a al taglio(or trancio) - by the slice, they cook long planks of pizza and serve it by weight of each slice. one thing to me pizza bianca white pizza meant cheese and no sauce plus whatever topping, but in al taglio ive seen it looks like plain dough maybe oil that can be served as a sandwich cut in half and then sandwich meat put inside.
pizza tonda - a round thin crust pizza. (different form pizza napolitana where the middle is thin but the edges are thick and doughy)
There are other styles of pizza, but in most areas in the country there will be someone who does napolitana pizza, and maybe its not identical but the generic takeaway pizza to me seems like pizza tonda.
Other special types are sicilian pizza "sfincione". Pizze fritte - fried pizza, how this differs from a panzerotto im not sure.
I dont know the clear name but there is thick pan pizza. is it pizza alta e soffice or jsut pizza alta? - An example in milan of what im thinking of is at pizzeria spontini.
A style of serving that exists i dont know how common it is and i dont know how quality it is but there are all you can eat pizza places that are called something like "giropizza" not sure exact term, almost like pizzahut buffet but the waiters walk around iwth diferent pizzas - they can have normal and weird toppings
Suppli are roman, fried rice balls often with tomato sauce and cheese they are strongly associated with pizza places. The can be compared to the Arancini - sicilian fried rice balls named because they resemble an orange (arancia) in shape. These ive not been in sicily but in the norf, they can be the best thing ever or they can underwhelming. it is highly variable the quality of bakery, but if you get a good one its some of the best heartburn you'll enjoy. large ones can contain pockets of ragu or tings like ham+cheese. Some small ones may just be the rice.
in rome there is a recent (?15 years) fast food restaurant called trapizzino - its name is a combo of pizza and tramezzino (triangular crustless sandwiches) - these are sandwiches of triangles of pizza like dough, and they have supposedly traditional roman flavour choices. few shops to usa.
tramezzino my only encounter with these is like prepackaged gas station sandwiches, im sure somehwere does them well, i think piemonte is where they are from.
italy has great food, but like any industrialized country they have versions of garbage junk food and prepackaged food as any other place does just the ratio of how much it is eaten varies by country. you can get frozen - thaw to eat pasta, or canned soup, or packaged hamburgers etc.
Most sandwiches will come as the panino - breadroll often ciabatta, whatever topping, then heated on panini press. im sure every region has their style of bread roll for a particular sandwich. Pane Casareccio (di Genzano) is a rustic large loaf can be found in rome from Genzano di Roma a nearby hilltown. Used for panontella - guanciale or panchetta is cooked, and intermitantly blotted onto the breadloaf to get the fat on it, then a small bit if the bacon is eaten with the fatty bread, not sure if this is just a homemade thing.
Piadina is flatbread, often another alternative to sandwich - its nice for variety but i dont see the scenario in which it would be preferable. also heated on panini press. At bars/pubs often the cheapest food to eat aside from fries is piadina w nutella.
In rome Porchetta is a stuffed roast pork with seasonings, very popular for a sandwich. Porchetta di Ariccia is supposed to be themost authentic version (a town just outside the city)
there will by classic sandwiches found everywhere like panino with prociutto crudo +/- bufala mozzarella.
Some styles like fontina + prosciutto cotto more in the alps typically (but a firm alpine cheese and ham, it tastes different but similar idea to gruyere and ham).
drinks, sure look into whatever the regional wines are, go to an enoteca wine bar to try it out if you're interested. each region has local wines Lazio is no different, but there will be nationally popular wines aswell of course.
i was always happy house wine (was it blissful ignorance or is it good? i like it)
beer, all the macrobrews to me seem good, i like most beer im not a connoisseur there will be places that do local microbrews now or special beer pubs, but many restaurants it will simply be birra alla spina (on tap), order as "birra chiara" (light - meaning colour not strength), maybe called birra bionda, birra rossa (red), birra scura (dark). they might have more expensive bottles aswell, personal preference.
im not into coffee, but naturally if you are italy will be an interesting place to try things.
you always hear about the gay rules they have like only germans drink cappuccino after 10am or something.
there are probably 2 dozen coffee preparations in italy. by default un caffe is one shot of espresso if not specified.
some different ones include ginsing coffee, barley coffee (caffe d'orzo), caffe corretto -corrected coffee with alcohol like sambuca or grappa.
If you want to go to a cafe but are not into coffee, teas are available yet if your group is all at the bar it is slow, fresh orange juice succo di arancia is very common (sometimes see juice as spremuta rather than succo, i dont know if one implies fresh)- usually are automatic machines that blast through 5 oranges for your cup -seen vending machines of this too. they do hot chocolate usually. Soft drinks big 3 you know, but there are many ive only seen in italy. You've probably seen san pellegrino juice sodas but not exclusively that brand - orange, lemon, blood orange. There is also bitter orange - aranciata amara. chinotto is a citrus fruit drink thats kind of bitter, grows on u. then particularly italian are these little bitter sodas i guess for an alcohol free Aperitivo
>on a standby ticket.
is this cheaper?
what if no opening happens?
could you get bumped by someone who also got bumped from a flight?
could my priority be higher if I claimed to be trans?
It’s a perk of working for an airline. I pay basically nothing (only taxes). If there’s room I can get on the plane. My position allows me to see the all the bookings on a flight so I know if there’s room for me before going to the airport.
>Rome in August
there are about 1000 places in italy worth checking out so if you knew what areas you were definetly visiting, you can get more regional suggestions.
the classic destinations known world wide:
rome florence venice
cinque terre, amalfi coast
there are may more that were very popular internationally, but most normies will know these 5.
like all places there is the most popular area that kind of is annoying due to crowds and parasites, but then there are side areas that are very comfy.
there are many medium/small cities that are great probably even preferred, but other popular cities are milan, verona, torino, napoli, palermo, bologna.
other very popular areas include
northern italian lakes - lake como is most famous, of which varenna is probably most famous town. maggiore and garda are great. there are smaller northern lakes that would be amazing with less internatinonal crowd to consider also.
there is italian riviera - coastline centred around genoa, this includes cinque terre but is much more than that. anons have mentioned camogli and portofino.
alps - this is such a major portion of the north all nortern regions have som alpine section - dolomites is perhaps the best and most famous, but val daosta is pretty great. yet there are ligurian alps also, lombardy, veneto alps. Friuli alps are less famous overall and probably less crowded.
Pretty much all regions will have beautiful countryside sections with farms and orchards over the hills - friuli is a less crowded option. -Tuscan is the most famous for this val d'orcia being the most praised, but people often go to nearby Umbria for similar landsape less price.
There is appenine mountains running through the length of central italy also.
Costa Smeralda of sardinia - large rugged island that on the north side has emerald coast that a lot of rich italians go to. The interior of sardinia is quite rugged used to be renowned for bandits, there are ancient iron age megaliths scattered.
Sicily is basically its own country wit its own history and language. Lots of historical sites from differen hisotrical eras ancient greece, rome, arabs, normans, lombards, french, spanish. Organized crime only really bothers local businesses - maybe petty crime if you leave shit in your car. Great beaches, farmland, dusty dying towns, volcanoes.
There are many coastline regions that can either be quite beautiful and rugged or can be huge flat broad beaches but super busy full of umbrellas.
Naturally it is your honeymoon and you may want to splurge so the wife can gain instagram clout by showing off amalfi or cinque terre, but there are many places listed as alternatives.
Cilento Coast is still in the campagnia region near amalfi, inland there cilento region national park, and also Paestum - the biggest ancient greek site on mainland italy (sicily has more)
Costa Viola - calabria the toe of the boot, i dont know too much about this region. in the norf whenever food is listed as "calabrese" it is spicy. Scilla is the prominent seaside hilltown of this coast. Tropea is the other famous calabrian seaside town. Lamezia Terme has an international airport.
Riviera Romagnola - centered around Rimini - to me this italian seaside is for very popular summer holidays of crowded beaches, whats the appeal beyond the crowd and large flat beach i dont know, but people go.. - there are other regions that have beaches like this, parts of tuscany or near venice are like that also for example.
Its really amazing how /misc/ newbies have taken over this site
Look at the chart of the 100 most beautiful borghi of Italy. Then here's a list where I ll for sure forget some cities worth of visiting.
Torino, Monferrato, Genova, Albenga, 5 Terre, Milano, Monza, Como, Cascata del Serio, Varenna, Bellagio, Pavia, Bergamo, Verona, Mantova, Brescia, Clusone, Lovere, Monte Isola, Sirmione, Trento, Treviso, Venezia, Trieste, Ferrara, Pietra di Bismantova, Rocchetta Mattei, Bologna, Ravenna, Cesenatico, San Marino, Firenze, Pistoia, Lucca, Chianti, Livorno, Siena, San Giminiano, Terme di Saturnia, Isola d'Elba, Sardegna Nord, Orvieto, Todi, Perugia, Assisi, Foligno, Spello, Urbino, Lago Trasimeno, Roma, Parco dei Castelli Romani, Gaeta, Napoli, Salerno, Sorrento, Amalfi, Pompei, Sirolo, Loreto, Matera, Tropea, Palermo, Siracusa, Noto, Mazara del Vallo, Trapani, Marsala, Modica, Gela, Ragusa, Diamante.
As you can notice I don't know enough about the south, just named places I visited and found pretty
>Napoli
LMFzaO
Napales is a wonderful city. I spent 2 days there and it had great pizza. Many scammers tho.
I am currently in Italy. Spent the day in Stresa by the Maggiore Lake. Yesterday I went to Orta lake, I thought it was very nice and it wasn’t overcrowded. Going to Torino tomorrow.
>Torino
There are many Savoy palaces in Turin, but just outside of town is La Venaria Reale probably the most impressive of them.
Monastery outside of town Sacra di San Michele looks very cool.
When trying to look that up, accidentally came across The Fenestrelle Fortress, looks pretty cool,
If someone had a car from turin and was looking for more castles/forts or other large structures ect. the highway north in direction of Aosta (has some modest roman ruins and a ski lift from town upto Pila mountains) - you could come across Fort Bard, and Castle Fenis
Is Bologna worth a shit? I have 2 extra days in my itinerary and I'm not sure if I should do Bologna or Florence.
I'll be driving around Abruzzo (ancestral home) for 4 days so I'll be doing rural shit then
ive been just for a day in winter, it was busy enough to have crowded central area, and by the main sights still get approached by african salesmen (no different from any other major italian city).
in theory, its supposed to have some of the best food - but so do many of the cities (im sure some rural farm run by nonna is better), but florence is no slouch there.
it is a hidden canal city
it is the political stronghold for italian communism.
it is not far from the ferrari town maranello
i would say do whatever has the best logistics if you can't decide between two towns. near the end of the trip you might get tired of sightseeing.
florence has the more world famous attractions - but will have more world famous crowds.
like everywhere, going up into the hills outside town is always comfy.
You're going to love venice
take a disintegrating barge from tunisia and skuttle it once you are close enough to get the doctors without borders ferry to lampedusa
whys that? they seem friendly and nice enough. You just seem racist. I gave one a snack the other day and 10 more showed up the next day asking for the same.
A lot of moronic contrarians are shitting on major stops but the truth is it's your first time outside of your country (assuming USA) so they're actually your best bet. Length of stay matters a lot but since it's a honeymoon:
Fly into Venice for a couple of days > Rome for 4 days minimum > Apuglia for some smaller towns that have a ton of soul
Venice > Cinque Terre > Rome
Rome > Naples > Capri > Sardinia
The Classic is Rome > Florence > Venice
Pick two major cities, Rome and Venice are the best for a honeymoon since Venice is a truly unique city great for lounging about and Rome is the history capital of Europe with a ton to see and do. Research stops in between or further down the road and pick ones that you like. There's really so much to do and see in Italy that there's no real wrong answer, it mostly depends on what general vibe you want from your stops.
>Fly into Venice for a couple of days > Rome for 4 days minimum > Apuglia for some smaller towns that have a ton of soul
>Venice > Cinque Terre > Rome
>Rome > Naples > Capri > Sardinia
>The Classic is Rome > Florence > Venice
>noooo you can't go to the most famous city in western civilization its tooo tooooristy!!!!
>most famous western city
>famous western shity
>western shity
>shity
now that's extremely unappealing
>my fiance, frick you we are not going to rome
>we will not see any of the greatest monuments of history
>we will not go into venice and witness a city that on a billion wooden pillars
>we will not go anywhere you want, we will solely go to small towns you've never heard of and have no interest in
>w-w-wait why are you divorcing me?
Quit being an autistic moron, it's the dudes first international trip and its a honeymoon. You can try to flex how much of a RealTraveler(C)(R)TM you are, but you clearly are too autistic to consider the fact that its not a solo trip, OP is not an experienced traveler and his wife (who likely also hasn't been out of the country) is coming with. Yeah, Venice and Rome are practically obligatory for a first timer to both Italy and international travel for a honeymooning couple.
>its extremely unappealing
Then you're a fricking moron. Id love to go to Rome or Venice, even if I've been multiple times and would prefer to explore more of Italy.
Not OP (He's trans btw), but I will be in France/Italy for a month straddling September into October. Pic related are my current interests though I am in the early planning stages. Thoughts? I like nature but want to experience culture and women as well.
great choices it looks like venice ofc, malcesine, riva del garda (or arco?),
hikes of sciliar-catinaccio, puez odle, and tre cime di lavaredo
all look very solid.
one thing that is neat to me but ive not explored it too much is all the austro-hungarian fortifications in the dolomites from 1800s to ww1
assuming it is malcesine, lovely town to explore for a short time - also easy access cable car into monte baldo. very popular paragliding spot, available hikes or mt bikes, or just a comfy place to relax ontop of the mountain there is a restaurant.
garda in general is great, obviously too much to see, but if you are on one of the popular towns, you can take a water taxi for a day trip - limone sul garda is a good one
if you were driving, there is one road that looks interesting strada della forra and nearby town like tremosine sul garda.
sirmione at the southern point looks cool.
From venice, there is the brenta canal - naviglio di brenta, which is noteable for having many venetian villas often by the famous architect palladio - the palladian villas of veneto and the brenta riviera. Stra is a famous one pic related.
But this is a diversion from the Brenta river - a very beautiful town is Bassano Del Grappa (they claim the alcoholic drink grappa tho thats not really confirmed - its very strong) - this town has a reconstruction of a very famous covered bridge, also the buildings on the river are very cool, and taking a walk just outside of town, are some comfy spots to chill by the river
there can be only one
Is this place unironically good? I'm a big Kung Fu Panda fan so am leaning towards visiting when I go to Italy next month
i had a fun time 10 years ago when i went with friends..
its got a few of the classics
a fighter jet themed roller coaster
a frontier themed river rapids ride
another possibly fighter jet/dinosaur themed roller coaster
a drop tower
a coaster thats theme is a rickety old mountain top train
their newest ride wasn't built when i went
they have some dumb looking dragon named parsley as their mascot i dont think is from anything prior but there is a kids cartoon
https://coasterpedia.net/wiki/Gardaland
I was in Rome last week (yes Rome in August but it was our only availability and we come from the south of France where it was already 40 degrees Celsius) and it was great.
I recommend visiting Rome if you like architecture, churches, fountains and wandering through the streets.
For the restaurants you have to avoid the tourist traps near the tourist places, it's expensive and not very good, the reviews published on google map are rather accurate but above all there are 2 rules to respect:
- if a tout comes to see you to have dinner in their restaurant, you can already be wary, (it's a general rule when you travel) look at the menu posted outside and if they serve Fettuccine Alfredo, you can get out of there quickly,
Standby ticket anon here. I am now back from Rome. Hot indeed but I had a great time. Walkable city for sure but if you do use public transportation it’s Africa tier compared to many other European cities. Lots and lots of tourists at all the great monuments but it doesn’t matter because of how extraordinary some of them are. Maybe breasts really are temporary. Highly recommend using a tour guide for the Vatican to avoid lines and get some extra information. For restaurants I checked out the Trastevere area that an anon in this thread recommended. Very comfy. Saw an owner scream loudly at his waitress in italian, knew I came to the right place. Next time I won’t go in august.
>Saw an owner scream loudly at his waitress in italian
its always sunny in rome
Indeed. Fewer Black folk than I expected as well (still too many though).
Why do you feel the need to turn over every rock, inspect every crack, and take a photo in every alley of that country? Leave them alone. It's just organic matter.
Redpill me on Torino and Milano
for milan, check out Mr. Dick sexy pasticceria
key that looks fun