Traveling in Europe in a few months. Looking at an airbnb in Saint-Denis but I know it's where all the immigrants are and gf is a little worried. We would be staying near the stadium train station and on google maps it looks like nice offices but everywhere on this board people say Saint-Denis is a shithole. Is that just closer to the city center? If I was by myself I wouldn't care but my gf is a tiny young blonde girl. Would we be accosted walking from the station to our place at night?Just how bad is it in Saint-Denis?
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You might as well donate the contents of your wallet to them and save everyone the trouble
You'll likely be fine if you're near the station. Although there is a chance you might be accosted, especially if you plan to walk at night. North African youth is out off control. They don't know authority.
One can wonder why you would choose a north African ghetto for your Airbnb. There are plenty of nice places to stay in and around Paris. Why would you go there?
If you want a normal place look in the west.
If you're American, just don't even worry about it
Just how far away from the train station are we talking here?
>at night
homie what the hell are you doing?
Staying in dangerous areas and gaining the respect of ghetto delinquents is a tremendous confidence builder.
If you are hollered at by a group of idle youths, they are being disrespectful. Ignore them and keep walking. You do not want to give them a chance to surround you. However, if the group is chill and someone gives a friendly and respectful greeting, return it in kind. Keep walking.
Make it clear your girlfriend is yours by keeping her close.
In your interactions with ghetto characters, treat them like you would dangerous animals. Be firm and polite, speak in a low tone. Stride calmly and with confidence, avoiding any indecisive, rapid or abrupt activity that could signal fear or indecision. Do not give them an opening. Show aggression if the danger level increases - rigid posture with chest puffed out, jaw clenched, curt responses with repressed anger. Don't ever be rude, but make it clear that you won't be intimidated.
That being said, Third Worlders generally understand and respect the law of the jungle. One tenet is that any man worth his balls will be willing to throw down in defense of his girl. Basic dominant/possessive displays should be sufficient to get the point across.
is your view of life that it must be an endless series of hostile competitive encounters?
do you play a lot of video games?
I don't play games. But I have visited quite an assortment of unsafe neighborhoods and regions in past years of travel, often while carrying large quantities of cash and my passport. The enhanced level of alertness is quite stimulating, as is walking the line of self-assertion without submission and without provocation. My preference is dangerous areas ruled by organized crime, such as Mexican drug cartels.
this is something that you learn inherently living near people like that. i wouldnt have laid it out so specifically but i do the same thing. its called being respectful of other cultures.
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You just poached that from a Lonely Planet guide wtf
Dude just spend a little more and go to another comfy suburb by Saint Germain en Laye or anything else or even anywhere else close to Paris, or just get in a small hotel room inside Paris.
Saint Denis is a genuine shithole with no sight of gentrification.
There are other shitholes that are improving day by day (Saint Ouen, can no longer call it a shithole, or Aubervilliers, still a shithole but slowly improving) thanks to gentrification, but Saint Denis actually got worse.
If there’s a riot, Saint Denis will be 100% lit on fire, while some other suburbs don’t. Saint Ouen didn’t have any riot, for example.
Stay in this area and you'll be fine. This area is artificially sanitized because it's the way to the stadium, so a lot of international people are passing through. That's why everything looks clean and modern.
Any advise for getting in and out to see the basilica?
Its less safe than Singapore, more safe than a favela in Sao Paulo
Considering they warn everyone of pickpockets everywhere to the point, it's a joke. I bet it's closer to favela tier than Singapore
Yeah no I think there is still a massive difference with the favelas. It's not even comparable. The violence in Paris suburbs is often exaggerated by the media because it's in France in Western Europe so the expectations are different. A murder in Saint-Denis is still an exceptional event, while it's a daily occurrence in the favelas. For example there were only 18 murders in 2018 in the whole Seine-Saint-Denis department (which contains Saint Denis plus most of the other Parisian shitholes), for a population of 1.6 millions so it's a rate of about 1.1 per 100k inhabitants.
In the favelas you have a murder rate of 44 per 100k inhabitants, for 12 millions people, so about 15 murders per day.
I found the numbers for 2017.
Meanwhile this is in the US.
So most Americans walking in Saint-Denis are actually less likely to be murdered than by staying in the US.
Actually there are only 4 of the 100 biggest cities in the US that are safer than Saint-Denis
Gangs killing each other doesn't really say much about the likelihood of getting robbed as a tourist
Robberies are harder to compare because it's not counted the same way but I doubt it's more dangerous in Saint Denis than in your average US city. In any case comparing it to the favelas isn't realistic.
1.1 / 100K is a very low murder rate, lower than any US state. However, murder rates do not reflect on personal security as a tourist. A place with a low murder rate could still have a very high crime rate. Sometimes when criminals don't get killed, they are even more brazen in their predatory behavior toward innocent people.
It’s up there with the sketchiest places I’ve been to in Europe but like others have said it’s a cakewalk for an American let alone a Sudaca.
I had relatives living just there, you don't really want to have your gf walking alone (or even w you) when it gets dark. All the Black folk will start chatting w her, no matter how fat she might be
Also, cabs won't probably bring you to your exact location, depending on where you are. My aunt once got dropped far away from her flat because the taxi driver would not enter the ghetto, for some reason
I heard the place has been improving a bit though because all commercial real estate has become absurdly expensive in Paris center
what happened with the riots and stuff. is that over?
That was just a phase
Yeah let's vote for this moronic lepen that shifts more and more left every five year after her usual loss
>this moronic lepen that shifts more and more left every five year after her usual loss
So was always a communist anyway.
dont go there dude just book an airbnb somewhere in the central part of paris or south/east.
Anon PLEASE post the bnb. Me and my gf stayed in an airbnb in Paris in Saint Denis and it was near the station. I want to see if it's the same one lol.
To answer your question, Saint Denis is OKAY. It's literally full of blacks though. If you're white, you'll be one of the few walking around. When we arrived in Paris it was about 8pm and we got the train to Saint Denis and stepping out was unironically terrifying. Blacks everywhere, selling cigarettes and looking somewhat sus. We were clearly tourists with our travel backpacks and we're both white. I thought we'd get robbed.
We walked to the bnb and we had no internet so we asked a nice French (ethnically) man who lived in the same courtyard thing for his phone to call them and the hostess spoke neither french nor english. She was Spanish lol.
In the end we got into our airbnb which sucked. Never got robbed or harassed other than people trying to sell us cigarettes at the station but we made sure not to go out in the dead of night just in case. I think you and your gf will be fine. If you're close to the station, safety isn't that big an issue because the walk is so short.
Enjoy Paris. It's unironically a great city. I had a lot of fun.