Anyone ever travel here? Can an english speaking middle-american get by? I'm not a total goon but I can't hide what I am. No interest in hookups, just nature, architecture, maybe drinks with locals. If a girl took a shine to me that'd be cool but not seeking it.
I hear the nature is good, is there a hiking culture/marked trails?
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it's really nice and cheap if you love nature
and if you are from south korea or america, they will be kind to you
because aouth korea and the us are well-liked countries by the central asians
south korea and the us*
one thing to keep in mind is that you should never mention their religion in front of them
they are a society nominally secular but still dominated by strong islamic law
>should never mention their religion
How so? I don't have a problem with islam generally speaking, esp so if I am a guest in their country. Only issue is if there are customs for guests I don't know. I'm a bit of a bumbling buffoon, though people usually seem to gather that I'm harmless & I mean well.
some central asians tend to be defensive about their religious practices, and the other thing you have to remember is that the kazakhs and the uzbeks don't think very well of each other
i'm living in south korea
in my neighbourhood, there are quite a lot of immigrants from kazakhstan, uzbekistan and mongolia
in fact, if you are a white guy, if you flirt with a local woman in kazakhstan or uzbekistan, you can be assaulted by local men, unfortunately
but if you're from south korea, they really don't care much about it
i've heard that most kazakh parents are positive about their daughter's relationship with a korean man because we look alike and for historical reasons the reputation of koreans in central asia is really good
Probably related to the Koryo Saram who are peacefully living in the former USSR for decades, in Kazakhstan they don't even stand out that much.
>if you are a white guy, if you flirt with a local woman in kazakhstan or uzbekistan, you can be assaulted by local men,
wrong
maybe in some village or smaller town but in the cities no one cares about stuff like this
hell, I married a kazakh woman
>i've heard that most kazakh parents are positive about their daughter's relationship with a korean man
That's not true. I am from Singapore and currently dating a kazakh girl. Their parents approved of our relationship because the fact I told them I am a Muslim. Islam still plays a major role even if you don't practice the religion. As long you have a Muslim name, you're good.
>still dominated by strong islamic law
not at all true
not at all
Nta but it doesnt seem that cheap. Maybe 900 a month for an airbnb. I heard that the oil money drives up prices.
Maybe i need to be using a russian app for apartments and hotels instead?
Not a coomer, but I have heard they unironically still assault people in the street that are dating their women. Might be related to islam or might be related to mongolian culture. Not entirely sure
+1 to liking americans. Kazakhs are amazingly kind people. I was invited to a guy's wedding as a guest of honor simply because i sat next to him on an air astana flight.
The country is also extremely interesting. It's a fleetingly rare example of a post-soviet country that hasn't fully embraced the west, but is still friendly to western people. Lots of very interesting things to checkout if you enjoy soviet and kazakh history.
>very interesting things to checkout if you enjoy soviet and kazakh history.
share some examples please. I don't know the first thing about their history but i'm interested now.
In my opinion, people in Central Asia believe that getting close to capitalist First World countries like S.Korea and USA will help their countries develop. Russia wants to continue its influence in the region, but educated people and young people know how poor and terrible Russia is.
>educated people
What a fancy way of saying "shitlibs"
I don't think Kazakhstan has shitlibs.
If they are pro-west they are. The West is globohomo. If any Kazakh actually wants Kazakhstan to go that route, then they are by definition a libshit
Went biking from Almaty through Turgen gorge, past Skazka canyon and the Kaindy and Kolsay lakes before crossing back into Kyrgyzstan through the Karkara border. Thoroughly enjoyed it, amazingly diverse scenery and very friendly people. Glad I speak very basic Russian as this made interactions with locals way more fun.
Dude no one gives shit about a literal about some basedslop american. You'll get no pussy in that country just like you don't get any pussy in the US
Greetings
From
Kazakhstan
God I hate women
You can get by with yandex translate, there's actually quiet a lot to see. Through relatively untravelled by westerners the Russians know the territory well
Interested in nature. Any good hikes, I know the mountains are great.
in cities English will work for you but like most places using the local language is really good
Kazakhs are friendly, safe place
city life is modern enough and comfortable
smaller towns and rural are more of your adventure tourism
architecture there sucks: limited old and interesting stuff, plenty of soviet stack a prole crap, and lots of more money than taste in the new parts
food is good: lamb and horse with rice or noodles
white foreigners will get attention from local girls but they won't throw themselves at you
I just came back from there like a week ago. You're better off going to Krygyzstan for its nature. Kazakhstan is flat, just like their women.
>just like their women.
I thought they were hot
They are. Just don't expect them to be voluptuous in the butt and breasts department.
Same for pretty much any other Asian women.
I noticed the trad chicks have fat asses but they are also conservative and not into casual sex
What are you talking about? Kazakhstan is the most secular among all the stan countries. You can find WGs in clubs after 12
>Kazakhstan is the most secular among all the stan countries
The people there are still overwhelmingly conservative though. It's not the US where conservative = religious fundamentalist.
I know that
Much love from Kazakhstan
When I worked in Baikonur, I noticed that the Kazakh cared about the quality of their work; Russians? Not so much.
I am from Germany and I found my wife there. She looks like a Japanese woman but taller and less autistic. Her parents are secular muslims and they value family a lot. The country has a lot of nature. I would recommend Almaty to everyone but it is starting to get infested by American degeneracy and Kpop shit.
The rest is hard to navigate without knowing Russian.
The food is also kinda dry and not for everyone.
It's a nice place but a not must visit. If you into Turkish culture then give it a go but I would recommend Uzebikstan much more when it comes to traditional culture. If you wanna have fun and enjoy yourself like a westerngay than Almaty is perfect for you.
>recommends Almaty
>posts Astana
Both cities are worth visiting, but only Almaty is worth staying for longer.
Yes, the picture is in Astana but I would not recommend it since it is very commercial except for people who are into architecture.
I met my wife through work since I am an urban engineer and she was a translator. I don't know how to get women in Kazakhstan but the siblings of my wife married quiet young at around 23 /26. I think you just need to put yourself out there and ask some people out. Of course you won't find a trad girl in malls, bars or clubs. I dont know your age either so I dont know if I can help.
How did you meet your wife in Almaty? Through work?
I am kazakh and I want a wife from my own country
yes they are thin and pretty. go to a russian massage parlor half the women are kazhak
Kazakhstan isn’t worth it.
I’ve been to Almaty (shared taxi from Bishkek) then proceeded to take a 2 to 3 day train up to novosibirsk. After visiting Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan was disappointing.
>1) it’s extremely expensive, basic dorm cot in 2007 was $40 US and the building was shit
>2) everyone there is far richer than the traveler, it’s like Switzerland or Luxembourg tier. The official stats don’t do justice to just how rich of a country it is. It’s like Azerbaijan.
Uzbekistan is way better. It’s insanely cheap and there are a multitude of sights and attractions. Kyrgyzstan looks like Switzerland geographically, but is far poorer and doesn’t have much going for it in terms of creature comfort and amenities. Hiking is way, WAY better in Kyrgyzstan. 45 minutes south of Bishkek on a minibus and you are in Ala Archa national park, all alone in groves of perfectly triangular pines (or spruce or cedar or some shit) and just boundless meadows of wildflowers bordering cool, brisk-flowing brooks of meltwater you can literally dip your face in and slurp. 45 MINUTES OUT OF THE CITY ON A DIRECT MINIBUS. Double entry visa for Kazakhstan is ridiculous so if you want to know what I’m talking about and you start your journey in Kazakhstan you’re fricked. Best start in Tashkent, get the overnight train to Nukus, then work your way back to Osh, Kyrgyzstan via the Fergana valley. From Osh you can take a shared taxi to Bishkek, then from Bishkek visit Ala Archa and work your way around the big lake via Cholpon Ata for a dip in the lake, and then go up the Altyn Arashan valley for some hiking. Make your way back to Bishkek, then it’s a couple hours drive in a shared taxi to Almaty.
>basic dorm cot in 2007 was $40 US and the building was shit
I paid €9 for a dorm cot this summer, nice building with normal facilities.
>Double entry visa for Kazakhstan is ridiculous
No longer required for EU and US citizens for visits up to 30 days, for a total of 57 nationalities apparently. I got stamped in without issues at the border.
Sure, as far as history goes Uzbekistan can't be beaten in Central Asia, and as far as nature goes Kyrgyzstan objectively has more to offer. That said I feel you paint an overly negative picture. Southern Kazakhstan in itself is a destination worth visiting. Within 24 hours of biking, I rode through mountain forests, alpine meadows with snow-capped peaks and nomads in their summers yurts, through something close to badlands, into a wide open steppe to end up in a canyon, all within reach of Almaty. As far as variety within a single day of biking goes, that's borderline impossible to beat. Not to mention that doesn't even include some of the highlights in the area, and to top it off the hospitality is at the for Central Asia normal off the charts level. Would recommend honestly, especially if you manage to combine it with Uzbekistan and/or Kyrgyzstan.
>2) everyone there is far richer than the traveler, it’s like Switzerland or Luxembourg tier. The official stats don’t do justice to just how rich of a country it is. It’s like Azerbaijan.
incorrect
>he needs a visa for Kazakhstan or any *stan that isn't Uzbekistan
Thirdie or burger detected.
>that isn't Turkmenistan
derp'd
>you mean femine, family oriented, and that direction, then you're talking about almost all of them
I just want to find one that would be able to adapt to the west. The women I met so far, just feel like their life would be worse in the west because they have such close relationships with their friends, family and relatives, living across the world would be hard for them. Need someone that can assimilate well
Most Kazakh would not fit into the west if not born there. Also its much cheaper in Kazakhstan and quality of life is pretty solid there and if you are of their origin wouldn't you want to be around your own people? Try and look for remote job or start a business in Kazakhstan instead of wanting to bring someone over to the west.
don't listen to this guy
finding a wife is not mail order thing
no country is good for that
son, finding a wife is a one on one thing
the different cultures part can be great or a problem, it depends on you two
going at it with a "I gotta get a jap" or a kazkah is just a way wrong approach
>going at it with a "I gotta get a jap" or a kazkah is just a way wrong approach
You're right, finding the right wife depends on finding the person that fits you.
but am I crazy if I want to keep my bloodline within my ethnicity?
also to keep this travel related, what is the cheapest route to get to NA to Central Asia ?
via Turkey (Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya), especially if you're fine with changing airports and not picky where in Central Asia you'll land
>am I crazy if I want to keep my bloodline within my ethnicity?
no, not crazy, but wow..
>also to keep this travel related, what is the cheapest route to get to NA to Central Asia ?
turkish via istanbul
This
but also quickly check Air Astana to see if they have any deals.
old, old view
in a village, if you look, you'll find her
more in Taj or Uzb
but as a foreigner absolutely not
she and her family will have very much heightened expectations, that you're going to change all their lives
lol all you want but your post is unconnected to reality