Passport Scheming

Im a US Citizen, and Id like to see how practical it is to obtain an EU passport. I have very close family in Sweden, Belgium, and Greece. Is it feasible for me to obtain a passport from any of these countries? I'm 25 M and of Armenian descent if that info is relevant.

Im not trying to emigrate, id just like to have the passport for travel purposes.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Im not trying to emigrate, id just like to have the passport for travel purposes.
    Just get a US passport then

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have one.

      There’s no point in going through it just for travel purposes. US passport is still one of the strongest, you going to go through all that hassle for what? Saving $160 when going to Bolivia or being able to go to Iran without a guide? Not really worth it unless you want to live and work in Europe, which I honestly wouldn’t recommend at all over the USA but that’s a different topic.

      Id like to spend longer than 90 day periods in the EU

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Id like to spend longer than 90 day periods in the EU
        You know you could just apply for longer stays right? If you have legitimate family ties and other things your case can be made for waivers and such.

        If you're trying to just get another passport to flip flop back and forth and skirt the visa free limits I got bad news for you lol

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          what bad news

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Most of those loop holes have been closed, you'd essentially have to go full dual citizen. It's far more cost effective and better use of time to just apply for an extended visa stay. If you have close family in those countries it shouldn't be hard assuming clean record, no prior visa violations, etc.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are about a million ways for Americans to stay longer than the visa free period. Almost all of them are easier than getting foreign citizenship.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There’s no point in going through it just for travel purposes. US passport is still one of the strongest, you going to go through all that hassle for what? Saving $160 when going to Bolivia or being able to go to Iran without a guide? Not really worth it unless you want to live and work in Europe, which I honestly wouldn’t recommend at all over the USA but that’s a different topic.

      There's a lot of reasons to want an EU passport such as

      I have one.
      [...]
      Id like to spend longer than 90 day periods in the EU

      and travel to some countries that make it difficult or expensive for American citizens to enter.

      But I'd also look at getting an Armenia passport for easy travel to any of the former commie countries. You might be able to get that by descent, that's usually the way to get an EU passport as an American. Armenia will probably become an EU state eventually so that will be available for you eventually.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There’s literally just one reason to want an EU passport on top of a US passport, and that is to live and work in the EU indefinitely. Whatever other advantages an EU passport has elsewhere around the world are subtle at best, and in some cases a US passport is actually better (though the vast majority of the time they are the same).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        An American passport will basically get you into anywhere europe and asia, hell most the world. If you can get a US passport there is practically 0 use for getting a secondary passport for anything.

        The return on investment to get another passport and shit, just to "have it slightly easier to get into 1 or 2 countries" is silly

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Iran, Cuba and DPRK. Iran and Cuba you can pretty easily go to as an American if you are committed, also.

          Everything else is totally minor. Brazil was a big difference but Americans went visa free there a few years ago. You’re literally talking about places like Bolivia, and the savings aren’t extreme.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's really not that expensive to get a passport by descent, just time consuming.

          I guess the real upside is all the antivax fggts can go between europe and the US without having to show a vax card either way.

          Or if you think you'll ever go on the lam.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Time is money for most people
            >I guess the real upside is all the antivax fggts can go between europe and the US without having to show a vax card either way.
            That is such a petty fucking thing though, all that trouble to be like "kek never vax!"

            OP if you want to stay over that of a normal 90 day visa free time span, you just need to spend a little time applying for an extended visa. If you actually do have family in the EU it will actually speed up this and work in your favor quite a bit. That's simply the easiest, cheapest, and quickest way to get it done.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

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        Not OP, but I find it incredibly annoying when someone asks a very clear question and people don't answer it.

        getting a second passport opens many doors that may seem subtle now, but in our lifetimes may become valuable. look at covid, being EU citizen would have gotten you into the EU easier, you couldn’t apply for an extended stay then, and perhaps europe will close for political reasons again, perhaps for 20 years.

        It’s not just a passport for traveling, it is citizenship. Being a legal person in a country, able to reap the benifits. We all grew up in the first world, but historically being a citizen was a huge thing. In ancient times there were the Citizens who had full rights and privileges, then there were the Plebians who had no citizenship and could barely live decent lives. Being a dual citizen allows me to jump ship.

        Also, doing the paper work now (Irish takes 2 1/2 years to process), lets me have the option open immediately in the future. Wanna work in London tomorrow? no, but in 20 year who knows?

        It is very likely to never matter, but the second it does matter it will be extremely valuable to have. Look at brexit. Look at expats with families in china who have not seen them in 2 years, because they arent citizens. Look at people from Venezuela.

        OP here, these guys get it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There’s no point in going through it just for travel purposes. US passport is still one of the strongest, you going to go through all that hassle for what? Saving $160 when going to Bolivia or being able to go to Iran without a guide? Not really worth it unless you want to live and work in Europe, which I honestly wouldn’t recommend at all over the USA but that’s a different topic.

      >Id like to spend longer than 90 day periods in the EU
      You know you could just apply for longer stays right? If you have legitimate family ties and other things your case can be made for waivers and such.

      If you're trying to just get another passport to flip flop back and forth and skirt the visa free limits I got bad news for you lol

      Not OP, but I find it incredibly annoying when someone asks a very clear question and people don't answer it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What?

        OP has a US passport that's as good as an EU passport. The reason OP was getting different answers is because it's pretty obvious that OP has some other motive other than trying to go to Iran or 2-3 countries in africa. It's obvious to anyone who's worked with visa's that OP is looking to flip between passports to extend the stay, it's simply better all around to apply for a extended visa vs. go through the process of getting a secondary passport/dual citizen depending on his situation.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There’s no point in going through it just for travel purposes. US passport is still one of the strongest, you going to go through all that hassle for what? Saving $160 when going to Bolivia or being able to go to Iran without a guide? Not really worth it unless you want to live and work in Europe, which I honestly wouldn’t recommend at all over the USA but that’s a different topic.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Armenian
    god damn the genocide didnt do enough.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the process of claiming my Greek citizenship now. You need to prove blood lineage through a parent or grand parent that was born in Greece. This includes baptismal, marriage and birth certificates. It requires translations and lawyers to work with your documents with the embassy

    Close family doesn’t lead to citizenship but blood relations could

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    getting a second passport opens many doors that may seem subtle now, but in our lifetimes may become valuable. look at covid, being EU citizen would have gotten you into the EU easier, you couldn’t apply for an extended stay then, and perhaps europe will close for political reasons again, perhaps for 20 years.

    It’s not just a passport for traveling, it is citizenship. Being a legal person in a country, able to reap the benifits. We all grew up in the first world, but historically being a citizen was a huge thing. In ancient times there were the Citizens who had full rights and privileges, then there were the Plebians who had no citizenship and could barely live decent lives. Being a dual citizen allows me to jump ship.

    Also, doing the paper work now (Irish takes 2 1/2 years to process), lets me have the option open immediately in the future. Wanna work in London tomorrow? no, but in 20 year who knows?

    It is very likely to never matter, but the second it does matter it will be extremely valuable to have. Look at brexit. Look at expats with families in china who have not seen them in 2 years, because they arent citizens. Look at people from Venezuela.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dual citizen is a much bigger undertaking than "want another passport", besides in OP's own words he does not want to emigrate and becomes an entirely different conversation all together at that point.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk about EU passport but if you decide to get Armenia passport, better hurry up since they're in process of changing the laws to require living here for 2 months before you can get a citizenship.

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