Planning my first solo trip to Thailand for 2 weeks, I'm in search of a backpack or luggage, What do you guys recommend, backpack or luggage? I've googled around and people seem to be recommending pic related, the Osprey Farpoint 40l backpack.
I have no experience yet so probably will make the wrong decision. Pros and cons?
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morons always get the fanciest baggage to make themselves look out of place and a target wherever they go
I consider that a cheap backpack. Mine is falling apart and the mesh pockets are ripped, it just looks like shit and screams backpacker. Made in my hometown but still a gay hippie piece of shit.
I'm slimming down with an even smaller pack that looks more gucci and made out of sailcloth from a boutique company. The nicest pack I saw was on some japanese businessman and all it had a was a cordura tag subtly sticking out.
>I consider that a cheap backpack.
normal people do not wear Osprey moron, jesus you're naïve
most people use their school backpacks, usually Herschel/Jansport/North Face. Osprey is a tier above those and is usually the first brand recommended to people, like OP
Jansports would be cheaper and make you look normal. Depends on the Hershel but yeah you'd probably be good
>jansports
>normal
You ever travel young man?
>North Face
Doesn't exist. It's part of VF Corporation (ticker: VFC).
What used to be North Face is now just a marketing company.
The company exists not for passion of the craft, but to maximise profits for shareholders.
Same as Osprey (trade under Helen of Troy - HELE)
Don't be a goodgoy. Support sovl.
Most backpackers are spoiled upper middle class brats though. Clueless idiots with huge osprey, etc bags walking around.
Talking about Tortuga? The outbreaker can maybe work the tech obsessed, but their new one is the breasts. One giant compartment, with no fuss. Still has a laptop sleeve, but this time instead of double clamshell it's just one. The outbreakers back clamshell just isn't that useful unless you have a lot of different flat electronics you are bringing with you.
>Tortuga
I'm talking about an axiom.
Farpoint 40 is the equivalent of a Toyota Corolla. Nothing necessarily wrong with it but nothing that stands out from other backpacks. I had one for 2 years but sold it to try out other backpacks
Pros:
- Inner capacity can fit more than you would assume
- Durable straps/buckles/zips, overall construction
- Outer fabric holds up well to abuse
- Objectively one of the more comfortable carry because of harness and hip belt
Cons:
- Bulges out when packed more than 50% full, makes you look like a turtle
- Doesn't 'squish' down that much compared to other bags cause of internal frame
- No water bottle holder. those mesh pockets in the front don't do shit when you pack it and it bulges
- Popular and recommended so you're gonna dig through a bunch of them if you ever put it in a luggage holding place
- Mildly normie tier, one of those bag that make you stand out as a traveler
You're gonna have to list some requirements if you want suggestions on backpacks
It's not exactly the amazing perfect answer to carry-on only travelling that some people say but it's still good and you can't really go wrong.
I agree with on every single point. Especially the water bottle holders being on the back not on the side, absolutely moronic design idea.
I have spent 3 weeks away with one of these and also done 3 weeks with some random backpack from what is basically walmart. Both were fine, both worked. The osprey bag was more comfortable and noticeably more well made.
I have the Farpoint 55 which is a 40 with a 15L daybag you can zipper on and off. When you zipper off the daybag, they meet the carryon requirments for Star Alliance and OneWorld. Bought the most obvious choice when looking online, can't complain.
I'm a big awkward white guy. I feel I'll stand out no matter what. Maybe if I was 6 inches shorter and brown I could incognito in the developing world.
yeah I'm sure you would blend in with most places in Europe if you look like this
I've never been to Europe, and honestly I wouldn't give a frick about blending in there anyways. I've been to. LATAM, Morocco, and SEA, where I'd have to just rely on not walking down the wrong alley. Definitely wouldn't wear the daypack on the front like a total homosexual though anywhere.
im avg height asian and whenever i go to asia i don't blend in. normal people don't carry around 40l travel backpacks
>I'm Asian
>when I go to Asia
>not wanting to stand out to attract local qts
ngmi
literally me
Two weeks is way too short time if that's all you spend in Asia, it takes two weeks to learn the culture for extra nice and comfy traveling.
>Osprey Farpoint 40l backpack
Looks both gay and fancy, get a normal looking one. Don't be a victim of internet recommendations.
>I feel I'll stand out no matter what
That's fine, but don't dress like you are new to traveling if it can be avoided.
>Two weeks is way too short
Agreed OP. Shit's way too short especially if you're a burger because you won't get over jetlag for like four fricking days
>gay and fancy
I used to run the gamut of different cheap backpacks. Last year I bought farpoint 40 and so far I've liked it and have no plans to replace it. It might be overkill for two weeks in Thailand where you'll need a quarter of what you can put in it OP. Also, if you fill it to the brim and also bring a laptop say bye bye to the screen because it will just break it.
>two weeks is too short
Not everyone can take months off at a time from their job
Everyone can be, many choose not to.
I can't. I have a chosen a career path that I won't be miserable in, but it comes with the sacrifice of not having more than like 4 or 5 weeks of vacation time a year.
Still believing that cope, haven't all the past generations proven that wrong? Just keep the wheel turning frick having a life huh.
>Be a vagabond with a nonexistent family and friends who haven't seen you in years
Having a normal job is fine. Shut up queer
god you're a cringe ass b***h
>- No water bottle holder. those mesh pockets in the front don't do shit when you pack it and it bulges
I hate these front mesh pockets. Nothing will stay in there. I avoid bags with them
Other than that, Farpoint 40 has been my main bag for 5 years and I'm happy with it. I use a small Quetcha for a daybag (on the right) and it'll fit inside the Farpoint when empty
For carry on just get some cheap crap, that stuff gets banged around the airport or stolen if it's very fancy, for personal items and such a small bag like is good enough, learn to travel light.
Only homosexuals and school kids carry backpacks.
What are you, going camping? No you are going to a hostel or a hotel.
Get a proper suit case, it should be small, learn how to do laundry on vacation, it makes traveling 10x better because you carry half or less of the weight. Your outerwear should be good for a few days (you can alt them, not wear them 3 days in a row) you mostly want socks and underwear changes.
That and a decent man purse/day carry tote is all you need
Get a carry on like a normal person instead of the homeless/camper larping autists who bring everything they own with them on a disgustingly oversized backpack. There is no real need for a backpack at all in any major city and a shitty small one is more than enough if you plan on going on a hike in nature somewhere since a few water bottles and snacks will fit in it easy. Outside of actual hiking, you'll be able to find water at any restaurant, cafe or street vendor everywhere you'll be so you really don't need a backpack for water like many suggest.
Get a small carry on with your shit, leave it at the hotel/airbnb/hostel. Pack it right and your clothes will even remain folded instead of a crumpled wrinkled mess. If you cannot leave your shit safely at your hostel then you're staying in the wrong place. got it right, begpackers and camper larpers are cringe morons.
>im so autistic my backback has an extra attachable backpack and its so big it's technically not even a carry on
>I wouldn't give a frick about blending in
It's not about blending in, it's about not telling everyone around you that you're an autistic homosexual. Yes, we can tell even if your daypack isn't on the front.
Have you ever traveled in Asia? Backpack is the way. When staying in one city it doesn't really matter.
Being afraid to be alive because of the job is not fine. No I don't mean becoming a hobo or weirdo of any kind.
Backpacks are the obvious better choice if you're a young person with no physical limitations. Suitcases are meant for old people, women and people that just need to bring 7 outfits to a week long trip. Unless you're going to business meetings wearing an actual suit, no one gives a shit if your clothes are mildly wrinkled
>it's the obvious better choice
if you're going hiking in the jungle maybe, not anywhere remotely urban though because you don't actually carry your suitcase with you, you leave it where you sleep.
>no one cares if the clothes are mildly wrinkled
>i don't bring an outfit per day for a weeklong trip
So you walk around lugging a backpack with all your shit all day and don't even bring enough clothes to wear something new daily (meaning you'll have to reuse sweaty shirts) and you think the mild wrinkles rather than the smell of your day old sweat is the issue? Absolutely disgusting.
Yeah, I have, and I never travel with a backpack. When you go from one city to the next you usually take public transport that can hold your suitcase, especially a carry on sized suitcase, to your next destination. You act as if you have to trek your entire way from city A to city B making a carry on completely impossible to have with you.
Carrying a suitcase makes no sense in Asia and dragging it along often doesn't work, better to have your hands free.
Very few travel with suitcases and even fewer do it again.
>You act as if you have to trek your entire way from city A to city B making a carry on completely impossible to have with you.
No it's just less preferable option for good reasons.
>meaning you'll have to reuse sweaty shirts
What.
What is your problem, needing to look different than the rest because you are high class?
>dragging it along doesn't work
You don't drag along your suitcase with you though, you leave it at the hotel/airbnb/hostel. You keep ignoring this to make your point but it's just moronic. Here's the reality of traveling with a suitcase in Asia:
>land in country
>take bus/taxi/uber from airport to your stay
>check in
>leave the suitcase there
>walk around suitcase free
>day you leave for somewhere else arrives
>take suitcase from room to the street corner
>get a cab to the bus terminal/train station/airport
>terminals are no problem for the suitcase, all modes of transport will have a space for your suitcase
Wow, it's not a problem at all to bring one with you
>wearing clean clothes that don't smell like shit is high class
It's not high class to wear clean clothes, it's the bare fricking minimum for anyone past the age of 12. Begpackers are unironic manchildren.
>you think its easier to move a suitcase around vs a backpack?
You don't move it around though. Only a moron takes their suitcase with them everywhere they go.
>i leave the bagpack where i sleep
So do all the bagpackers sleep outside then? I never see people with a carry on outside unless they're just getting in or leaving the city, I do see the homeless larpers with their backpacks everywhere though.
>doing laundry
he said 7 outfits to a weeklong trip, yeah, doing laundry is a waste if you're only there for a week when you can just avoid doing laundry by bringing a carry on. Youre essentially wasting what little time you have to do laundry instead of just being able to get dressed and go.
>imagine dragging a suitcase to town behind you
Literally no one does this. They drag it from a street or two away to their hotel at most, from the taxi stop in front of the entrance to the hotel room at least. The only reason you morons think people lug carry ons behind them everywhere is because you idiots take your backpack everywhere.
Stop trolling, not all of us are boomers.
>calling a cab is for boomers
moronic
>be too poor to afford a cab
>call this a win
dont forget to pack your hammock for your nightly stay at the local park anon
>you have to move the suitcase around
you move it from a cab to the hotel room, and through smooth airport floor to the cab. It really takes no effort whatsoever.
>you make it sound like you have mobility issues
or an extra $20 of disposable income
>begpackers are young and mobile, moving every 3 days
so your pitch is that begpackers all have burger abroad syndrome, check a box of monuments off a list and gtfo, and that this is the way to go? TikTok is that way mate.
>compare it to a checked bag
I said no checked bags though, just carry ons. Checked bags are moronic unless you're going on a business trip for like a month.
>stop scaling?
You can stop scaling it at a week or 8 days if you want, because it all fits with plenty of space left in a carry on. You can bring excess because you don't carry your shit with you everywhere you go.
>dirty laundry?
plastic bag, in the room's closet apart. End of the week you've got a batch of clean clothes and the dirty laundry goes in the carry on, touching nothing else.
I really don't get this complaint.
>spend $10 on laundry no problem
>NOOOOOOO I CANT SPEND $20 ON A CAB! SUITCASECELS MUST CARRY THEIR SHIT AND WALK FROM TOWN TO TOWN LIKE I DO!
its insane
>you move it from a cab to the hotel room, and through smooth airport floor to the cab
and what happens when you have to roll that shit through anything other than a perfectly smooth and flat surface? do you have a personal assistant who wheels it around?
>or an extra $20 of disposable income
you're implying that for anything more than 5 minute walk, you have to call a cab? sounds impractical but hey at least youre supporting the local economy
>check a box of monuments off a list and gtfo, and that this is the way to go?
unironically yes? is your idea of travelling and visiting a country just staying in the within the capital city for a week? 3-4 days is enough to see the main tourist shit and leave
>You can stop scaling it at a week or 8 days
theoretically then what happens after a week if you're so autistically against doing laundry bruv.
>because you don't carry your shit with you everywhere you go.
you keep coming back to this like a broken record. what exactly do backpacks 'carry' with them all the time that's different from someone with a suitcase? on a related note, if a suitcasetard actually has 8 outfits worth of clothes in their luggage, whos carrying more 'shit' with them everywhere?
I CANT SPEND $20 ON A CAB! SUITCASECELS MUST CARRY THEIR SHIT AND WALK FROM TOWN TO TOWN LIKE I DO!
you have to cab everywhere because your choice of luggage limits your options moron. people with backpacks have the option to walk around the city -on foot- and explore all the nuances of the environment. you're seething at this fact and acting like backpackers can't take other forms of transit, they can only walk
pic was my spontaneous decision to bike around an island for 3 days. guess I could of done it with a suitcase but I would of had to hire a cab to follow me around!
this whole discussion is so bizarre to me.
let's say the backpack people are right and a suitcase is more difficult to bring around town. so what? get stronger. i have wheeled my suitcase over all types of roads and sidewalks and transit systems. yeah it sucks. even if it adds a little time to my trip (it doesn't) it is well worth fewer trips to the laundromat and dressing nicer.
and so many of the backpack people are acting like you cannot bring a daypack along with your suitcase. yeah i have biked around an island too. with a daypack.
40L+ backpacks stuffed to the brim that weight down your sweaty back are only useful if you are literally hiking between destinations... whether to save money or access something truly remote. seeing people bring 40L backpacks full of shit through airport terminals to the line of taxis is laughable as my luggage rolls behind me.
The "discussion" really hinges on Plebpackers' inability to understand that unlike their backpacks, the carry on does not ever leave the room unless you're leaving the city. They keep referring to "having to carry the suitcase everywhere" like they do when they walk around a city with their backpacks, not understanding that you don't leave your hotel room every morning with a carry on. It is the most moronic take I've ever seen.
Don't people bring a daypack regardless of their larger luggage? Backpackers don't really walk around with a 40L pack doing sightseeing, right?
Personally I don't even see the point in bringing a daypack, just take your phone, wallet, and passport if you feel like it. Put them in your front pockets, stick your hands in there when in crowded areas, and you're set. If you need a drink, why not buy something the locals like and refill the bottle with water as you need to?
>they don't really, do they?
If they didn't, the argument would be about how much you can carry instead of how easy it is to take your shit everywhere with you.
>go to popular tourist spots
>see someone with backpack
>day ruined
>go to popular tourist spots
>see someone with backpack
>steal from them
You don't even need a daypack tbh. Just leave it at the hotel.
Collapsible daypacks that go into the bag. Though I bring a dslr camera with multiple lenses so that can also be why I need one.
I need to slim down the number of clothes I wear since a 40l barely fits all my stuff. Most airlines are cutting back on carry-on size anyways so I am going to be screwed and having to check my bag.
>Backpackers don't really walk around with a 40L pack doing sightseeing, right?
I have had many a days stopping through cities briefly or specific spots to see something between cities and I've had to carry my pack around with me at all times. Would have been a nightmare doing it with suitcases. I saw some tourists in my city wheeling their suitcases through major tourist attractions with crowds because they were sightseeing whilst "in transit" and it was hilarious.
>n-n-noooooo! youre supposed to go directly to your next hotel and drop off your 50 pound suitcase!!!!
>this whole discussion is so bizarre to me.
>let's say the backpack people are right and a suitcase is more difficult to bring around town. so what? get stronger. i have wheeled my suitcase over all types of roads and sidewalks and transit systems. yeah it sucks.
I mean, I'd rather bring a suitcase or a carry-on or a duffel bag than 40+ L bigass hiking backpack, but not all backpacks are created equal, see:
Why I'd personally need a slim carry-on backpack is because I travel around a lot on buses and trains and swap airbnbs and hotels and it's just not practical to carry around a suitcase and it kind of makes you look like an idiot when you're bringing a wheeled carry-on or suitcase or whatever on a packed bus like, "Excuse me. Sorry. Coming through", just like a huge hiking backpack will.
>even if it adds a little time to my trip (it doesn't) it is well worth fewer trips to the laundromat and dressing nicer.
I buy clothes at my destinations and whatever doesn't fit in the backpack I throw in a Nanobag if I'm swapping hotels or whatever, or simply throw away if I'm going on a longer trip. It's a little bit extra but t-shirts and socks and underwear etc is so cheap in 3rd world countries that it's worth for the added comfort on not having to bring a bigass bag or suitcase.
It all depends though. If you're going to an all-inclusive and don't plan on travelling around then by all means bring a suitcase, or a big duffel bag as a compromise.
The aesthetics screams "rob me" and it's cheaply made with materials that will only last for a few trips before they start falling apart. Plus, it'll probably make you look like a turtle.
Check
instead. Or if you really want a cheaper backpack then check Amazon for a cheap travel or carry-on backpack - the aesthetics will be nicer and materials similar in quality but you can find one for like half the price of The North Face.
40L would still be considered within normal dimensions. The huge hiking backpacks start at 65L and above and are totally unnecessary for most people unless they're actually hiking and need the space for survival/camping.
The sweet spot imo is 30L to 35L, its just slightly larger than a regular backpack but still fits enough for extended trips if you do laundry
you really believe people are thinking "wow look at this idiot getting on the bus with a suitcase" and that bothers you enough to change your loadout because of it? to avoid this imaginary social non-confrontation once a week? no wonder i see so many tourists wearing dingy sneakers and a "it isn't really that dirty" tshirt to nice restaurants.
>The aesthetics screams "rob me"
This. I have a NF backpack and I feel like a moron wearing it every time
>Nanobag
As in the one on Indiegogo? How has it held up for you and how comfortable is it? I'm thinking about buying one or two.
Erm, no but yes. I have the Sea to Summit Nano shopping bag but I think they're basically the same - ultrathin ripstop nylon etc.
The Indiegogo Nanobag looks sturdier and has nicer aesthetics and comes in more sizes though, so I'd give that one a try if it was available to me locally.
It's held up well. It's like a more durable alternative to a plastic bag that neatly fits in your pocket. Haven't had any punctures or rips yet but haven't put any sharp objects in it either - the sharpest thing is probably a milk carton and the most weight I carried is a few kilos (it's supposedly good for 20, 30 kgs plus or whatever, which is more than you'll ever realistically carry in this type of bag).
It's perfect when you're roaming around the city and need to buy some water or snacks clothes or stuff and want something more substantial than a plastic bag but don't feel like carrying around a daypack. I highly recommend it, especially if you're doing one bag carry-on travel.
Sea to Summit also make backpack rain covers and ponchos from the material.
Thanks anon! Seems like it was a funny naming coincidence but I agree that your feedback is still helpful given the similarities between the two bags.
>what if you have to roll it through anything other than perfectly smooth and flat?
You fricking roll it around or you lift it with an arm. You really need to exaggerate the length of travel one brings a carry on with to make your point. You don't bring a suitcase through miles of cobblestone, it's typically a few streets away from your destination at most
>you're implying that for a long walk you call a cab?
Where am I going that I need to bring my carry on with me for longer than 5 minutes? Am I going to an airport, a train station, a bus terminal? Yeah, I'm getting a cab to get there quick and on time. Am I going literally anywhere else in the city? It stays in the hotel room. It's only not in the room if I'm just getting in the city or leaving it, it is otherwise NEVER with me.
>yes I do check a few boxes and leave, why else would I want to stay in a foreign city?
Plebpackers are pathetic holy frick
>what about the extra week where you're out of clothes?
What about it? The question was for a 7 day trip. I answered the rest too, if you're there for a long time you need more stuff and will require an actual suitcase.
>a suitcase tard is carrying more shit
but you don't carry it with you, because it doesn't leave the room. I don't get how "leave in room, walk outside no case" is too hard for you to understand
>you have to cab everywhere
If you had a flight to leave to another city, are you going to walk to a bus terminal to get a bus to the airport, or are you going to call a cab? Backpack or not, you're calling the cab. You don't take a cab everywhere, because you don't have a suitcase with you everywhere, because its in the room
>me biking around
First post I said this is one of the only reasons for a backpack, and that it still doesn't justify getting a 40L shit over a schoolkids bag (which you can bring alongside a carry on as a personal item btw)
No one is exaggerating anything, they're just stating real anecdotal experiences and likely scenarios. Even if the suitcase experience is "get cab, walk a couple minutes through perfectly paved roads, leave suitcase at hotel" its still gonna be less of a hassle if you replaced it with a backpack. thats not even accounting for the fact that suitcases are almost strictly limited to urban travel.
Since OP is heading to Thailand for 2 weeks, lets go through some likely scenarios he'll face:
Bangkok - the public transit/taxi infrastructure is good but its very likely that if you rely on only cabs to get around, you'll eventually get overcharged or strong armed by a taxi driver. If you only had a backpack you could call a motorbike taxi to get around which is only a couple dollars. Not possible with a suitcase. Lets just ignore those points and say theres no difference in a strictly urban environment that a suitcase / backpack would matter but no one stays in Bangkok for more than a couple days unless you're a degen coomer
Island hopping - getting around is almost purely small longtail boats and ferries. a backpack will always be easier to transport. some ferries will even transfer you off to a longboat via a ladder. the boat drops you off at the beach and you have to go through the beachfront to your accommodation. guess what, theres usually no taxis on small islands. you're gonna have to go through sandy, uneven bumpy pavements littered with tourists to get to your accommodation. you get to your hotel / hostel after 15 minutes of walking and find out your room is up 3 flights of wooden stairs and there's no elevator. you spend 2/3 days at this island then go to the next island which will be the same thing all over again.
Flights - almost all airlines in SEA will weigh your luggage and charge you like $50 if its overweight. They usually just wave people with just bags through but will stop people with suitcases cause they know their shit weighs 30 pounds
>It's only not in the room if I'm just getting in the city or leaving it, it is otherwise NEVER with me.
And people who just bring backpacks do that same thing moron. Do you really think they wake up, pack up their bag then go around wearing the bag all day? Like I said the main reason you see them is because they're more likely to be in transit.
>why else would I want to stay in a foreign city
Search "X country 2 week itinerary" and I'll bet my left nut that it will say to stay in a place for 3/4 days max then go to the next place. There are very few cities in the world that have enough shit to see that merit staying there for like a week as a tourist. Cities aren't all inclusive resorts where you're incentivized to stay in one place.
>if you're there for a long time you need more stuff and will require an actual suitcase.
This is called overpacking
>a suitcase tard is carrying more shit
In this context its 'how much shit are you packing for your trip'. Just because you can fit more shit in your luggage doesn't mean you should. People with backpacks have to be more mindful of how much they pack because they have to actually carry what they bring.
The only scenarios where a suitcase makes more sense than a backpack are
1. You're at a resort and ur not going anywhere
2. You're actually living out of it and doing an extended stay (+1 month) in just a city environment
3. You have mobility issues
Saying that a suitcase is the perfect solution for luggage is pure delusion.
LMAO'd at that pic, im convinced I should get a backpack and not a suitcase. What bag should I go for if i want to travel for 2 weeks? im thinking 30 or 35lish?
>thinking 30 or 35lish?
35L is size wise the sweet spot for carry-on compliant bags. If there's a review of it on Packhacker they list the carry-on compliance.
But not all bags are created equal. Useless extra compartments and internal padding can eat up lots of space. If the bag is really simple with just the one compartment and maybe a thin laptop sleeve and some thin meshing for organization coupled with a thick, sturdy outer shell, then you can usually stuff more shit into that type of bag than a bigger, more cluttered bag.
If the zipper to the main compartment opens one nice huge compartment with lots of sidewall, it'll also be easier to pack and stuff than one where the zipper placement doesn't give you a nice big tub to stuff your shit in.
Some bags like the Peak Design Travel Backpack 30L are expandable so has a range of 27L-33L. And if you're carrying mostly clothes you can stuff it full at 33L and then compress it down to 27L with the bag closed. So it packs like 33L but carries like 27L. Also it doesn't have a bunch of extra pockets and only has one big main compartment with tall sidewalls, so those 33L are in practice like a few liters extra compared to some other bags. So it has all these efficiencies stacked on top of each other that makes for a very slim, light bag.
So for carry-on compliance 35L is the quick answer but it depends on the bag.
>calls a cab because too weak to drag suitcase
>Portugese taxi driver gestures he can't go any further to your hotel because cars aren't allowed or it's a one way street
>get out
>all up hill
>obese suitcase virgin takes multiple breaks going up two block hill
>passed by seven or eight backpack chads climbing up with ease
many such cases
Kek. I fully agree with this.
I never understood why people walk around with frickhuge backpacks when they aren't trekking through mountain ranges or jungles.
Bet my carry-on fits more even and just smoothly wheels beside me.
And yeah I go from my cobblestone hometown in Europe to crowded streets in Asia np. Most Asians drag suitcases bigger than themselves around no problem.
>drag suitcase
>its a puddle of shit
>hmm...
>get to sidewalk, have to lift
>stuck with it behind you, cant run
>poor distribution of weight etc etc
Theres a lot of plusses to the backpack as a solo individual.
It has handles, you can lift it.
I'm not running for anything, ever.
I go around dirty puddles or lift it over. The other 99% of the time it's comfortably behind me or beside me, requiring a lot less effort than a backpack.
so like what happens when you have to go up some stairs or a steep hill
backpackers use backpacks for reasons
I see them end up in the same hotel, same train station, same airport.
I lift it up or drag it behind me up the hill.
Good wheels are important on a carry on
Travelling like a true 60+ year old woman.
You literally have to 'move' a suitcase around moron. Its the same concept as 'moving' around with a backpack but get this: you can easily grab it, put it behind your shoulders and just go somewhere. The way you made traveling with a suitcase made it sound like you have mobility issues or an unwillingness to exert physical effort to do things. You know what subset of people those attributes fall under? Aging people and women.
>I never see people with a carry on outside unless they're just getting in or leaving the city, I do see the homeless larpers with their backpacks everywhere though.
It boils down to this: most people who travel with backpacks are young and mobile. they have the mindset to keep moving to a different destination every 3 days because its just easier with a just a backpack. Compare it to someone with 2 suitcases - 1 checked size and 1 carry on sized along with the hassle you just described of moving them around.
> 7 outfits to a weeklong trip
So at how many days does this stop scaling up? 14 outfits for a 2 week trip? what about 30 outfits for a month long trip? How about just bringing enough clothes for 3/4 days and doing 10 minutes of laundry so youre not carrying around multiple pounds of dead weight? Also if youre not doing laundry, where are you putting your dirty clothes dude. Do you have a seperate suitcase for that or are you putting it next to your clean clothes?
The only use case where a suitcase is better than a backpack is if you're going to live out of it, like at a destination resort. You're literally moronic if you think its easier to 'move' a suitcase around vs a backpack. Have you ever tried wheeling it along cobblestone roads in Europe? Through busy, narrow passageways in Asia? What about up anything with more than a slight incline?
>lugging a backpack with all your shit all day
I leave it where I sleep.
>don't even bring enough clothes to wear something new daily
theres a new concept called "doing laundry". Like you can wash your clothes at the end of the day and it'll be dry in the morning or just pay someone $5 to do it so you dont have a bring enough clothes for a new outfit each day. If you unironically do that then you're probably to far gone for help.
>The only use case where a suitcase is better than a backpack is if you're going to live out of it, like at a destination resort. You're literally moronic if you think its easier to 'move' a suitcase around vs a backpack. Have you ever tried wheeling it along cobblestone roads in Europe? Through busy, narrow passageways in Asia? What about up anything with more than a slight incline?
I took my backpack for a year through Europe and it was a breeze. My gf came to Italy for a month with me with a suitcase which I had to lug around of course and it was a fricking nightmare for getting around the old towns and to train stations. Only get a suitcase if you're getting a taxi from the airport direct to a hotel. For proper backpacking/travelling suitcases are the bane of existence.
Suitcasecels will seethe at backpack chads as their wheels break or get stuck on cobble stones
Not even Black person mentality with this one. Chimpanzee mentality.
Even chimpanzees have the mental capacity to figure out that backpacks mog suitcases in most situations
>only homosexuals carry backpacks
>get yourself a man purse
Come on dude
>man purse/day carry tote
and you are calling people with backpacks homosexuals?
post 1RM deadlift
I used a duffle bag. I got one of the new Nike bags that have a second compartment underneath and threw an empty backpack in there for small day trips. The strap was horrible, but I switched it out for my M240 strap I stole from the army and it worked like a dream. I don't trust airlines and so I was able to carry it on every flight.
Get a suitcase with wheels. What are you, poor?
A baggage thread reminds me of the time I went camping with a mate and his colleague (60~ yr old) for A SINGLE WEEKEND a few hours away and they showed up at my house with an entire large car absolutely packed to the point where I couldn't fit in without having a load of crap on my lap. They had brought an entire fricking kitchen, fridge, plastic tables, chairs and all that. Almost pissed myself laughing cause all I had was a backpack and was expecting they'd just have that, and they seriously thought it might be better to go in 2 cars than to leave some of the crap behind.
Anyway I am too old (30s) to be backpacking around everywhere and airlines are such tight c**ts with cabin bags these days I'd just check in a 70L suitcase and have plenty of room to bring loads of cool crap back. Only gotta get it from airports to hotels anyway (or on transport, whatever)
I overpaid by quite a bit for the Tortuga Outbreaker but it's quality has me pretty happy. Naturally waterproof bag, because of the sailcloth exterior fabric and the zipper design as well as being able to attach locks to the zippers. Comes with plenty of built in compartments though if you're a techie. Not really as useful for me. but I can appreciate the options there. However they have an option now without as many compartments for electronics that I would have bought in a heartbeat when I got the bag pre-covid.
Though even though its a carryon size, I might still end up checking the bag and just bringing my dslr camera bag as my carryon. I tried fitting my camera bag into it before but it really was just too cramped and not enough clothes. Fricking giant ass lenses I carry.
What does your ticket allow you?
>Personal Item: Backpack
>Carry-on: Small hard shell roller luggage (check airline website for dimensions)
>Checked luggage: hard shell luggage
Backpacks are for paupers and gays. There's a reason season travelers call them gaypacks.
Imagine the smell of someone sweating their back up because they have 0 ventilation.
Imagine how pathetic you look packing your life into something a schoolkid carries.
Imagine how much of a goodgoy you are having to buy a """big brand""".
The suitcase is the patrician's choice. It's sleek, stylish, easy to move, and doesn't frick your shit up.
Have some pride in yourself, ffs.
Except it's not. Imagine dragging a suitcase town to town behind you. Also, dragging suitcases isn't ergonomic unless you're a woman or a manlet
>Imagine how pathetic you look packing your life into something a schoolkid carries.
To me wheely suitcases always looked like they were exclusively for women or other persons who can't physically bear their load and business travelers. Acceptable IF you are already wearing a backpack.
>wear backpack
>gypsy comes up behind you
>steals your shit
>walking around with open backpack all day
>everything falls out
>going down escalator
>huge amount of weight on back
>somebody knocks into you
>end up in hospital
>walk for 2 minutes
>backs all sweaty
>clothes all creased
>t shirt climbing up your back
>look and smell like shit.
So many cases. You guys need to grow up.
>lost, have to check phone for directions but can't on the go cause 1 suitcase handle in each hand
>pull over to check
> gypsy steals your carry on suitcase
>check suitcase
>airline loses it
>have to deal with no shit, multiple days to have your stuff reimbursed
>going up a street with a slight incline
>can't handle more than 1 minute of muscle strain, lose grip
>suitcase starts rolling down street
>walking down a cobblestone road
>wheel gets sheared off
>have to buy another $200 suitcase
>Can't carry a suitcase for 1 minute up a 'steep incline'
>Running
>Weight's more dispersed than wheels on the actual planet.
God Pearson is such a shithole of an airport
>wear backpack
>its zippers can be locked
>has convient easy access pouch
>its fitted and has hip straps
>weights dispersed
>can still run with it
Yeah the only downside is the sweat on back. But if I am carrying my entire load of stuff my focus is on getting from accommodation to accomodation so I aint worried about looking cute
Kek you must be trolling. if not, those problems sound like it means you're a really fat frick. I just imagine you being so obese that your fat starts imparing your field of view to not notice a gypsy behind you
I just don't get what's the point of them. Why would you need to carry your stuff with you all the time?
Exactly this. Only the most pathetic of morons would carry all their shit around all the time, lol. The backpack industrial complex has sunk its teeth in really deep into SighSee.
It's just a medium of transporting your stuff. No one wakes up and decides to carry their backpack with them the whole day unless they're moving from point A to point B. By your definition, people who drag their suitcase are also carrying their stuff with them 'all the time'. You just see more backpackers on the go because they actually travel to other destinations more than the average suitcase user who just plops their shit down and settles for a week
I backpacked three weeks in Mexico and three months in Colombia with a $20 basic Puma backpack and a $20 duffel bag. It's nice to have a big duffel for clothes, and a smaller backpack you can carry with you on the bus or on day trips. Local buses can be very crowded, you do not want to be on one with a huge backpack!
It's pretty trash for what you're paying (materials, features, etc) and it's a flag for thieves and scammers because it's so common that everyone will read you like an open book. It also looks too backpackey you will feel and look like an idiot when you're carrying it in urban environments.
The Peak Design Travel Backpack 30L can expand from 27L to 33L and is slim and comes in a blue and a sage color so it looks like an actual urban backpack and can be carried as a daypack. The straps fold away without detaching anything and there's lash points for compression. This is the one, imho (there's also a 45L but that's too big to carry around on buses and so on. Both are excellent however).
https://www.peakdesign.com/products/travel-backpack-30l/?variant=39599894757453
The Able Carry Max is another great option but lacks some of the features.
https://ablecarry.com/products/max?variant=44223362105656
The Aer Travel Pack 3 is decent. Has excellent materials and is really rugged and probably carries the best out of all the bags mentioned here, but looks really boxy.
https://www.aersf.com/travel-pack-3-black
Heimplanet Transit Line Travel Pack 34L is basically an option to Aer.
https://en.heimplanet.com/products/taschen-transit_line-travel-pack-34-castlerock#details
Goruck Gr1 26L lacks most features but is bulletproof and slim and because it's just basically a Cordura shell it makes better use of the space than some other bags. Some might also like the military aesthetics.
https://www.goruck.com/products/gr1?variant=32978334744676
Minaal is the original slim carry-on and has a lot of great features but is pricey and fidgety to pack.
https://www.minaal.com/en-se/products/carry-on-bag-3?variant=35008559284381
Pakt Travel Backpack 35L is also worth a mention.
https://paktbags.com/products/the-pakt-travel-backpack
OP here, thanks for the effort of this post, I'm going to see if I can order the aer travel pack 3 and send it to europe, looks really plain and boxy I love it. The peak design backpack seems to be a backpack for camera stuff but I assume it's usable as a normal backpack too?
Make sure you check reviews on the other bags on Youtube and that you like how it carries, before you order.
>The peak design backpack seems to be a backpack for camera stuff but I assume it's usable as a normal backpack too?
They specialize in camera equipment and camera bags but the only camera thing in the bag are attachment tabs for their camera and lens cubes, that you can use to tie down other things with as well.
Aer Travel Pack 3 is the best backpack I've tried so far. Good for non-travel use too
I never spent more than $50 on a backpack and never had any issues.
Can you convince me to buy something over $200?
Not him but we use the same backpack
I would say that beyond the materials and craftsmanship just being nice and inherently pricey - a backpack that can do one thing well can be cheap, but a backpack that can do many things well is going to end up being expensive.
Hiking backpacks to me suck ass for traveling because they aren't designed to carry stacks of clothes, documents, technology, etc.
And travel backpacks suck for carrying a decent amount of weight long distance.
I've carried the Aer up a 13000ft volcano with the hip straps, and bummed around european cities, and not felt out of place in either, and not worried for a second that it is going to fail on me. It's kept my shit dry in rainstorms with the weather sealed zippers, I can put a laptop in it and yeet it onto a boat, etc. So for me, it's worth it just because it reduces the amount of friction in anything I do.
I'm him and I'll add on to this. Think of it in the same logic for anything that costs more of a 'premium'. If you're fine using the basic stuff then do what works for you. Spending more on a backpack in this case will give you:
- Better ergonomics / aesthetics
- Higher quality materials and general construction (padding, stitching, zippers)
- Weather resistance
- Better overall weight distribution
>Can you convince me to buy something over $200?
I don't know about $50 but you can definitely get a good polyester bag with good hardware (YKK zippers, Duraflex buckles, etc) for $70-$120.
Nylon has a higher strength to weight ratio and is softer so can be made thicker. So you can have a really thick, sturdy nylon fabric. And this thicker fabric obviously makes for a stronger pack with stronger seams (which is usually what comes apart) and be more abrasion and rip resistance. You're never afraid it'll fall apart on you or that it'll get damaged if you throw it on the ground or whatever. You can stuff it like crazy and it'll eat it up.
There's a diminishing point though where a thicker fabric only adds weight. 400D and up is plenty of strong for seams and 900D+ is really only needed on abrasion surfaces, like the bottom.
When they save weight with a thinner nylon they can also do poly coatings to add water resistance. Thick nylon has some water resistance but unlike polyester it's not hydrophobic and will actually absorb water. What's usually true with bags made from all 1000D+ nylon is they're only DWR impregnated to save some weight and this will wear off with time, making it less water resistant. The downside to poly coatings is that they can get scuffed and marked so will show some wear, whereas a thick nylon will look brand new, like, forever.
X-pac is the best of all worlds. It's a laminate with a rather thin 200D:ish ripstop nylon and a layer of kevlar and waterproof film. So it doesn't rip and is 100% waterproof. The downside is that some don't like the aesthetics of the diamond patterned ripstop.
There's also features. A bag with more features obviously cost more to make. Compression, organization etc all add complexity and cost. Small details like a little elastic loop to hold the extra strap and keeping it from dangling is a small thing but matters. Being able to hide your shoulder straps is huge. Etc.
Hijacking the thread for my question about backpacks, is the north face recon a good backpack for a weekend trip?
>north face recon
I feel like you're overpaying some, but its got hip straps so that can help some along with a chest strap. I fricking love chest straps even when not loaded so it doesn't fall off my shoulders etc.
Again, we're not all boomers. If you want to get a cab and get ripped off in 70% of the world be my guess.
>Again, we're not all boomers. If you want to get a cab and get ripped off in 70% of the world be my guess.
not that guy but can you PLEASE explain a situation where if you had a backpack you would have saved $5 but because you had a suitcase you spent $5? as if $5 matters at all. I just still cannot even get on the level of imagination you are on. the train station is either a mile or so away (roll the fricking luggage) or you are wasting a portion of your day hiking to it (worth $5 for me to avoid, because i paid a lot for my ticket/travel)
Not him, but say you have a mile from the train station to your hotel do you really want to drag a fricking suitcase and hunch over the whole time because the handle is only long enough to be ergonomic for a woman under 5'8"? I've traveled both suitcase and backpack and I'm a 6'4" manlet, no handle is long enough for me to comfortably drag a suitcase more than a block without looking like a hunched over ghoul. Maybe if you're short I can see how a suitcase might be better suited in some situations, but I like walking places and not dealing with IMMIGRANT taxi drivers trying to rip me off for a distance I can easily walk with a backpack.
>yet more complaining about minor, fleeting annoyances as a justification for dressing like shit all the time
Like I said, Plebpacker delusion knows no bounds. Its ridiculous how much they will overblow a minor inconvenience lasting literal minutes into a shitshow to justify the backpack.
>carry on suitcase? lol have to carry it for a minute
>but also you cant carry it for that minute lol boomers
>carrying a backpack for hours a day everywhere I go is totally not more inconvenient than a minute or two uphill though!
>cab to the airport? lol get scammed by an immigrant taxi driver
>walk to the airport with my backpack? no im getting a cab driven by an immigrant taxi driver and its not a scam anymore because backpack
They're delusional. You don't need a backpack unless you're going out of the city for hikes and shit, and you don't even need a 40L monster for it because you're probably not doing serious multiple day long trails to insanely high mountain peaks.
Begpackers are truly like the schoolchildren they imitate, never grew up and have the same overactive imagination to boot.
I have a 30L normal sized backpack with 4 shirts, 2 shorts and a pair of pants. I also have my toiletries, a water bottle and a laptop with charger. Tell me why the frick I would ever bring a suitcase to an adventure based trip. I go to Mexico to Cabo every year. I’m always bringing my suitcase. I’m in SEA for 8 months and am moving from city to city weekly by moped and you’re telling me to bring a fricking suitcase? Frick off. I like to see the world rather than fly over it. I like the freedom of carrying my life in 7 pounds on my back. If you’re relaxing at the beach in your resort the suitcase makes 100% sense. I’m a 22 year old who moves every week, how in any world is a suitcase more effective than a backpack considering I don’t need the extra space, weighs more, is harder to move around (I can literally go anywhere at anytime meaning I hop off my moped to check out a statue on a huge hill and don’t give a frick), and is also just bulky in general. So the TLDR is: as a young male traveling a continent/region by moped with less than 10 pounds of shit, why on earth would I or how COULD I use a suitcase? Especially staying in shitty hostels where my suitcase can’t even fit in a locker.
>4 shirts, 2 shorts and a pair of pants.
Typical sweaty backpacker. Are people not put off by your body odor?
>I like to see the world rather than fly over it.
Except you're not flying over shit. You drop off your suitcase then explore on foot. You don't need to carry your big ass hiking backpack everywhere.
>Staying in shitty hostels
Get a hotel poorgay
>Going around on a moped
Why would you do this? Just stay in cities. Why do plebpackers think exploring undeveloped parts of a country is 'real travelling'
>Are people not put off by your body odor?
Not him but I'm sure he showers and clothes from Merino wool are odor-resistant.
>You drop off your suitcase then explore on foot. You don't need to carry your big ass hiking backpack everywhere.
By "exploring" he probably meant going to different cities and towns rather than "exploring" the short walk from his all-inclusive hotel to the beach.
>Get a hotel poorgay
Hotels are fine for short trips but if you're staying more than a few weeks you're gonna have to use hostels and airbnb unless you're actually rich. Especially if you're exploring and travelling around because hotels and travel is the vast majority of expenses.
>Why would you do this? Just stay in cities.
What it even is this autism? First you sperg out because, "You don't need a backpack! Why would you need a backpack?" And then when people tell you why they need a backpack you're like, "You don't need to do that! Why would you need to do that?"
Like, why would you need to do anything? Just keep your fat ass on the couch in your mommy's basement. Why would you even travel? If you've seen one tourist resort you've seen them all. There's the bar touts and the scammers and the fat Americans and Germans and the fricking beach and the cheap beer and the hookers and that's it.
Personally, I often enjoy travelling more than I do the destination. I like sitting on a night train in a private sleeping cabin watching the landscape fly by. I like checking into hotels and yes hostels and airbnbs and exploring the vicinity and getting comfortable. I like arriving in a town by bus and getting out and it's raining and I have to seek shelter and I have some snacks I can nibble on and it's fricking miserable but so good at the same time.
The journey is what it's all about, anon. That's why people go on cruises, because they can have your suitcase, all-inclusive experience while at the same time being on a journey.
Autism
>Going around on a moped - why would you do this?
It's only the most fun thing you can do in SE Asia...
>Farpoint 40L BP
why always this thread. Get a TomTom 40L, save money
I never understood why people pack so much stuff, you can buy shirts or other stuff at local markets
backpack is king if you haven't been to a country before, not sure where you'll be staying or where you'll going within the country, also simple backpacks without all the extra pockets tend to hold more, are lighter, shit like vacuum bags just add weight and bulk
Torn between North Face Recon and Osprey Nebula (30L and 34L respectively). Don't need a Farpoint 40.