Thoughts on Kuala Lumpur? Seems best budget travel place and very safe.
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Thoughts on Kuala Lumpur? Seems best budget travel place and very safe.
Boring but food is good. Getting drunk is expenssive
I'll be arriving in KUL in a few days. The airport is over 60 km from KL Sentral in the city center, it's nuts. KLIA Ekspres train ticket is RM 49.50. You pay RM 10/night in tourism tax for every nights' lodging in Malaysia, plus 6% VAT. Service charges (as high as 15%) are also added for most properties on Booking.com. Annoyingly, all these fees are in the fine print and not included in the advertised rate. They are only visible when you are making the reservation. Look out for "additional charges may apply", and have a calculator handy to see the real total cost.
Other Malaysian cities are less hyper-sprawled than Kuala Lumpur, so I prolly won't stay there too long.
Took vacation there before never had whatever vat is, was so cheap anyways I didn't care are you a begpacker?
My spending habits allow me to comfortably travel the world on a very modest income, with no obligation to return to work in the USA at any specific time. I will never give up my mid-term financial freedom.
$54 for a 30 day stay extension in Thailand sounded pricey, but in Malaysia I will pay RM 300 per month, or $65, in tourism fees. Knowing this in advance would surely have influenced my decision making. Compare both to cost of 90 day visa in Vietnam, or 30 day visa in Laos.
"Walkable" refers to relevant services being an easy walk from one's lodgings...not the ability to walk between neighborhoods. Nobody does that IRL, unless you need the ordeal or are too afraid of tuktuk ripoffs.
KL really kinda sucks for any kind of "walkable", I once saw a suspiciously cheap and nice looking place on Airbnb, turns out it's in an apartment complex you literally can't fricking leave without a car even though public transport isn't that far away. The only way out is a highway
Yeah he is a moron who thinks the only reason people dont like taking taxis is purely because they are *poor*. No, the mark of a great city (for me, and yes its a personal opinion) is the ability to just wander around it. Comfy AF activity. Having to deal with annoying transport - is exactly that; annoying.
bong in malaysia here
we just go everywhere by grab
>If Chinese and Malaysians or whatever are different
you appear to be an idiot
pretty much this. the official line is that malaysia is all one big happy family but the chinese, malays and indians all hate each other behind the scenes
KL is fricking obnoxious with its massive highways everywhere and twisting pedestrian overpasses spread miles away from each other, if they even exist at all.
I once had to pay for a blank subway ticket just to cross the fricking road through the station and skip walking a pointless extra two kilometers. I could not believe there was no non-gated side way of any sort and ended up asking multiple random office and subway workers if it's really the case. It was.
It's unreal how hostile the city is towards walking.
>KLIA Ekspres train ticket is RM 49.50
It's half that if you disembark at Cyberjaya or wherever, exit the turnstile, go back and board the next train 5 minutes later.
i like kl, but if you're looking for safety and budget travel there are better options (e.g. chiang mai).
Kl isn’t safe?
It’s extremely safe, but so is (for example) chiang mai, which is cheaper and more fun.
It's just really boring though, islamic everyday culture is quite oppressive and lame. The average person there is quite stupid and my opinion holds some weight as a british citizen.
Its a pluralistic society, not everyone is muslim. It is nothing like Middle Eastern countries.
Its OK, but I think its a cross between Bangkok and Singapore, but it fails at being as good as either of them. Its very boring apart from food and a bit of culture. Its transport is OK, but not as good as the other cities and it isnt walkable IMO at all. Bangkok will take you a while, but you can physically walk to most places. KL is very hilly and has freeways and roads which make it hard to get from district to district.
Yes, what stuck me about KL was all the social engineering to make sure of this - we got off a bus from Singapore and the first thing we saw was a tiled mural dedicated to all the religions/cultures and then we walked into the main hall and they had some event going on where they wanted you to write about the strength of cultural diversity and stick the paper on some board. Saw all this sort of thing the whole time we were there.
Its to stop race riots that used to occur many years ago.
Diversity is such a strength that governmemts need to constantly remind you of how great it is, and arrest you for speaking otherwise.
The diverse USA conquered the planet, and the moon. Go ahead and tell me what your ethnicly pure shithole has done, on American technology in my mother's tongue.
>The diverse USA conquered the planet, and the moon.
difficult to tell if this is b8 or not but at the time of the first moon landing the usa was about 88% white
They weren't all the same ethnicity, chud. If Chinese and Malaysians or whatever are different, than German and Scottish are.
>there are actual fricking morons who believe people have been to the moon
You did shit, you was conquered by monoerhnic Anglos and now you are losing to monoethnic china. I am from Europe and can't wait to see inevitable mutt collapse. Glory to xi
Yeah, because people aren't getting tired of Chinese being a weasel. Lying and manipulating will only get you so far. China is done.
>It's just really boring though, islamic everyday culture is quite oppressive and lame.
Islamic countries really do that in SEA like Indonesia, Thailand, and Philippines.
Any Islamic culture will wear you down to pure boredom - I had to spend 2 years in Saudi Arabia on a contract and it ate my soul.
Dubai is the most sterile place I've ever been
What do you recommend do and see in KL?
Its nice but nothing special. If you haven't been to SEA before there are better places but if you've been around and want to try something new, its a relatively relaxed place to hang out.
I feel after you hit the same tourist spots mentioned in every YouTube video it becomes rather mundane, but the night markets seem really great. What other places you recommend are better in SEA? Please define how you quantify “better” so I know your criteria
I mean, it depends on what you're into. I just meant that KL is really "just a city", it has some interesting cultural stuff here and there and is decent for shopping if you're into that, but it hasn't got a lot going for it that other cities like Bangkok or HCMC don't have. If anything its main draw is that its just a cheaper, less clinical version of Singapore.
Man, frick Kuala Lumpur. I got scammed there.
>be me
>doing le EuroTrip™
>board a plane heading to Paris, France
>plane lands
>I've arrived in fricking Kuala Lumpur
I once spent a lot of time in KL for work. It’s totally OK. Food is quite good. But it’s not, as others have noted, particularly interesting, and it’s got no real history. Melaka has a more attractive old center, and Penang is (along with being the epicenter of Malay/Straits Chinese/all that is best in Singaporean cooking) arguably more fun.
It’s definitely not a bad place, though.
What is the dating scene like? Is it easy to pull women out there?
>What is the dating scene like? Is it easy to pull women out there?
Not generally easy, or honestly really possible, with the great majority of ethnic Malay women, unless you’re local and both really rich. I don’t think Indo-Malaysians date much outside of their communities, either. But some Malaysian Chinese girls are happy to date foreigners.
They all quietly frick (and marry) one another—I know literal dozens of Malaysians of mixed Malay, Indian (Muslim), and Chinese heritage. Some Malay-Arabic hybrids as well—a lot of upper-middle-class or richer ethnic Malays have mysterious aunties and uncles and cousins from Oman and Saudi Arabia. But it’s not an open scene, and nobody is very “easy” by international standards.
There as elsewhere in SEA, the easiest free pulls are probably lonely (and/or unhappily married) expat career women.
Why does money matter so much to them?
>Why does money matter so much to them?
To whom? Malaysians? I don’t think it should surprise anyone that anybody in Asia is motivated by or attracted to wealth. But when I mentioned being ‘really rich’ above, I just meant that extremely wealthy Malay families (apart from literal aristocrats/nobility) are generally less conservative. Malays with anything less than a lot of money are all about arranged (Islamic) marriages to virgin cousins, where millionaires are more likely to be internationally recognizable party people. Officially, ethnic Malays aren’t even allowed in bars and nightclubs. But over a certain level of wealth people are less likely to give a shit. They’ll just rent out the whole place and owners will ask no questions.
There can’t be many unhappy expat wives in Malaysia and therefore not the easiest lays. You’re looking for a needle in a haystack.
Much more interesting on paper than in reality. As others have said, even though the muslims don't have a monopoly on culture, they still kill the vibe. Streets are laid out in a labyrinth pattern and transit is confusing and inconvenient. Food is good. I've been twice for 2 weeks and it's a place that just doesn't work for me.
In 2011 I went to the Beach Club with a friend in KL (now sadly closed), we took home two African babes who we drilled and then passed out. By the grace of God our passports, money and belongings were all still in place when we woke up the next morning with them gone. I don’t think we even paid them! We did miss our flight to Hong Kong though, where I’d drill an extremely mediocre local student in the smallest, rattiest room in the Chungking mansions. Hey, at least she had a monster muff, so that was something. Not as big as the babe in Fukuoka I’ve mentioned before, but still big, dense and definitely a competitor.