What are the cons of living in Australia
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If they plant you drugs in the airport australia drug laws are hard and could end up decades in jail.
Going with only carry-on is my recomendation.
They planted several kilos of cocaine and heroin in my bag last time I visited. Luckily customs didn't notice so now I am wealthy, thanks australia.
Same here, but I got a boot in the arse for bringing in a toad once.
Toad?
That's a funny name. I'd have called em chuzwazzas.
upside down
Chinese and gays everywhere
they talk funny and you have to take pingers its the law
>you have to shelve pingers*
FTFY
Aussie here. I'm looking to move.
Honestly? As an immigrant there aren't many cons at all. We have great quality of life, clean and safe cities, good wages, good safety nets to make sure you don't end up homeless or jobless, big houses, good weather (depends on where you live but you aren't going to be living in the middle of bumfrick outback), beautiful nature and a growing economy.
My biggest problem with Australia is the lack of history and culture. It's very bland. Our cities are bland, our "cultural" events are mostly bland and feel forced, the oldest thing you'll find that isn't an abo cave painting is probably a sheep shearing station and there's a distinct lack of set cultural identity and nationalism. Australia doesn't know whether it's an Anglo nation, immigrant nation or if we shouldn't be called a nation because it's disrespectful to the aboriginals. It's incredibly disheartening to live in a place where flying your nations flag and saying I'm proud to be Australian is considered a controversial move (Canadians can probably understand this).
My other thing is that Australian life is very simple and boring (don't get me wrong, this is great for lots of people but not for me). If you're born here your entire life is basically planned out for you. You're going to grow up in suburbs, go to school, get into either retail or a trade for the rest of your life, get a house in the suburbs, go to the beach on warm weekends, afford all the consoomer products you want like a PS5 and Netflix, maybe you'll travel to the Gold Coast with the kids or Bali if you're not drinking your paycheck and then you'll die in the suburbs and your kids will live the exact same life. There's nothing fulfilling here unless you have that boomer "I just wanna grill and sit on the beach" mindset which I currently don't have in life.
isn't that the same as anywhere else?
Nta. As a thirdie, lol, no.
So everyone wants to move to the third world because... they're bored? Sounds backwards considering civilization is everything humanity has worked towards until now
If tons of Thirdies are flooding here and fricking our women, it's only fair that they let some of us live in their countries and frick their women too.
Yes, any first world country. With some exceptions. Lots of Europe is too cold to go to the beach, so replace beach with pub.
>My biggest problem with Australia is the lack of history and culture. It's very bland.
Well, the government did steal the land from the bogans ... maybe try giving it back to them?
USA did the same?
Kek imagine thinking it’s any different anywhere else. Only deiffentce from Australia and America is probably you make way less money in Australia and have no fricking proper guns lol
I'm moving to Europe not muttistan.
Even then muttistan has a bit more history and culture than Australia unfortunately.
>he thinks Europe isnt muttistan
lamo
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>I'm moving to Europe not muttistan.
EU is becoming a real mutt stan, an Islamistan, sadly.
>muh guns
burger spotted
Guns fricking rock and you fricking suck
Sounds like you want to join us in the UK pal
Couldntve said it better
I live in New Zealand and I feel the exact same way about living here. You hit the nail on the head with your comments about both lack of history and simple, boring lifestyle. I've travelled both within NZ and overseas to the Americas, Europe and through Asia and the history in the rest of the world is far richer and older than here. Even North America, with its 'culture' that people on this website like to make fun of is more interesting than here, let alone Europe and the variety of different cultures in Asia. Even if you compare the past ~100 years, all of the above have experienced far more interesting events than we have here.
Whenever I meet someone from overseas that decided to move and settle here, I think to myself "Why would you want to come here? There's nothing to do". A couple of years ago, a friend from Singapore asked me what living here was like with the context being his parents looking into moving out of Singapore and retiring. I told him that it's a good place to visit for a sightseeing holiday or to retire, if you're wealthy, but that's all. There's nothing here for a young person with any sort of ambition or notion to create. The closest you get to that is Weta Workshop.
I will say however though that I find Australian nationalism and racism insufferable.
>Australian nationalism and racism insufferable.
I get the impression that OZ is a hive of far-left reverse racism.
What's your experience? Thanks.
I have no idea about Australian politics, I'm going by my interactions with individual Australians both online and in real life, as well as the experiences of family friends both Australian and otherwise.
When I say nationalism, I'm referring to the pride the average Australian has in the country such as that exhibited on Australia day, when they are especially obnoxious. The only way I can really think to explain it is a celebration of or pride in what the anon I initially replied to described. Australia has a prevailing gym culture similar to what you'd see depicted in a stereotypical 80s or 90s high school set TV show, but on a national scale for late teens and 20somethings. Again, as was previously stated by the other anon, these people then end up as tradesmen or in low level retail or service jobs. There are exceptions of course but for the most part the population is just surviving, not living, if you get what I mean.
From what I can understand, drug use is a problem with a wide age range even among wealthy families. My mother is lifelong friends with a woman about 60 who's son's life was ruined by substance abuse; he started using at age 13 and is now 26. He stole and pawned family heirlooms, had violent outbursts towards his own family and so on. And of course, he was introduced to drugs by friends who lived locally in their wealthy neighbourhood. There's other stuff like violence that I know less about; you can read some journal articles about it here
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24326204/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36878145/
In terms of racism, it just seems to be xenophobia for anything or anyone that isn't clearly white or European. Every Asian is a "chink" or "asiatic" regardless of their actual origin or the language being spoken or whatever. If you try and challenge them about being racist, they accuse you of being racist towards Australians; I am. In general, they're just dumb people who think in black and white. No offense anon.
If Australia is racist they're doing a shit job at it seeing as how globohomosexual "multicultural" they've become in the span of 20 years and how they let literal moon worshipping, dirt dwelling stone age neanderthals boss them around.
They aren't like that though. The majority of Australians seem like huge Karens who will call the police if they smell weed on you. They're cliquey and materialistic and very uptight, totally different from their "Crockodile Dundee" perception they have internationally which is only a small percent of Australians who are like that and from rural parts of the country. Australia is sometimes referred to as California, but upside down and I think that's kinda accurate.
Again, I'm talking about the experience of myself and people I know with individuals, not with organizations or the government.
Then frick off tbh, I've never once voted for immigration and some shitty pot bellied brown man has wandered in against my wishes and thinks I'll be nice to him ahaha, get out of the Dravid before I chase you with the brake pump
Just because we won't take your criminals and we send them back. NZers are bitter as everything costs the same but they paid half as much.
Culture was born of federation 30 or so sick men off a boat created one of the world's top 15 most dominant countries. YOU have no culture.
Thanks!
Sounds truly glorious
I live in NZ and still don't understand this "nothing here for a young person with ambition" mindset. Where is it going to be better, you dumb sack of shit?
What are you going to "create"? You'll have just as much chance here as anywhere else.
Utterly fricking delusional of you think NZ has anywhere near the same opportunities for a startup as the US or Europe
Auz/NZ pour every cent they have into overpriced shitty housing and don't value innovation or entrepreneurs.
The oz residential housing market is three times bigger than the entire asx.
Ass blasted kiwis in this thread cracking me the frick up.
you weren't going to make a successful startup anyways.
Your rusticity and simplicity are you best qualities. The true australian character is that of a rugged, optimistic frontiersman who just wants to get by and have a couple bevvies with his mates. Abbos are fricking moronic and never did anything with their god-given land until the white men came and showed em how it was done. Be proud of what your ancestors achieved: turning a harsh and barren wilderness into a paradise on earth.
>t. northern-irish prod and white people enjoyer
>t. Literally me
Found it funny you specified prod though, anything more fricking annoying than the GAA wearing scum all over Sydney chanting up the ra and acting like big republicans despite leaving their own nation to fall to shit?
Also Aus pros are the nature and camping, much more laid back in some places than others. Tassie being a particular example.
taigs are basically subhuman and I have no affinity with republicans. Also frick people who wear GAA shirts abroad, its the most cliché irish shit and it makes me embarassed to be associated with them. Prods are a whole nother kettle of fish mate
The Australians are cons
Isolated
Cultural wasteland
Conformist
Rules obsessed
Risk averse
Anti intellectualism, be it STEM or humanities
Worship electricians, plumbers and real estate agents
No critical thinking
Extreme cost of living
>Extreme cost of living
homie move over the ditch and you will quickly realise how comical this is. I have just got back from a holiday in Australia from New Zealand and everything, and I mean everything, is cheaper there. And you earn more than we do.
Try paying more for stuff while earning less money.
>Anti intellectualism, be it STEM or humanities
>Worship electricians, plumbers and real estate agents
God I wish
t. Massive IQ and probably Australia's most important intellectual, of all time
You all need to learn to pipe down.
I'm Australian
It's true
Sparky make $180k in mines. I'm in mining making only 110k spent the last week begging a realtor to giv me a roof
Fricking shit
God help you if you think funding sci and tech is worth more than paying sit down money
>pic
Noongars
getting attacked by the local fauna (human or non human)
still prefer roos to nigs
Filled with right wing dickheads
are australian cities walkable? i know there's the outback, but i don't think i'd ever need to go there. i just want to bike to grocery stores and parks etc.
is it similar to the US with suburban human farms?
Inner city usually yes. Most inner suburbs will have main streets with all the basics you need, but if you go further than 5-10km from the centre then you need a car. You don't want to be getting around by bus. The suburbs in Melbourne stretch about 30km in the west and 50km in the east. It's where all the Indians have been dumped, there's nothing there but shit housing estates and the infrastructure is still the same as when the areas were just cow paddocks.
its not canada
Isolation is the main one, it's a bit boring (though Syd/Mel/Bri aren't) and the lack of culture. There's a reason it's somewhat typical for Australians to work overseas for a couple of years in their 20's/30's.
There's also a lack of ambition in politics to encourage investment in things that aren't mining and housing.
Fair disclosure I'm Australian but in s nutshell there's very little mobility from one area to another, you're in this vast continent with little reason or oppotrunity to actually travel in it.
Employers are very conservative, you just won't get the flexible working arrangement common in Europe and in fact workplaces are all awful in general.
The cost of living is maybe 16% higher than before covid, and the high aussie dollar makes it very hard for people on low salaries to do anything anymore. People who try to save money here have to give up service rather than purchases, if that makes sense.
Many areas are cultural deserts, housing projects dumped onto the fringe of an endless Mcsuburban sprawl without so much as a corner store, bus stop or supermarket.
The weather in summer is incredibly harsh especially the UV, it really stops you doing things. Houses aren't built for winter either and while it never really gets cold many houses have draughts and single glazed windows.
Australia has bizarrely poor IT infrastructure, many properties get 20mbps over a copper wire, mobile coverage is patchy in rural areas, outages are common and this wouldn't be so bad if internet/ mobile services weren't so excruciatingly expensive. We're taking 50$US/mo for data over a 30mbps line, plus the same again for mobile. Many people just use smart phones for everything now.
Australia is very isolated and that is punishing for anyone who wants to come and go, maybe it's your friends wedding in London, maybe you want a holiday somewhere else. Well if you do that in a year once you've saved nothing for the entire year. Airlines are shockingly uncompetitive and actually getting worse due to corruption.
The country is in recession, which means the price of used vehicles is the same as new vehicles. Within a year you've spent more on the car than you paid for the car
>very little mobility
You don't have cars?
>give up services rather than purchases
month-to-month bills are always the priority to shed if you want to save money
>isolated, safe neighborhoods
sounds good for the (car-owning) homeowners
>UV stops you from doing things
LOL, tell that to anyone in Colorado
>Australia is very isolated
Southeast Asia is a short hop away, while for the rest of the Western world, it requires traversing half the globe. $488 for a direct roundtrip flight from Sydney to Bangkok - I'm jealous.
you're underestimating the UV in Australia (and NZ) even compared to Colorado, and he means low mobility in that the nearest major city is a 13hrs drive away, with next to nothing in between, though I would argue its easy to travel.
UV index of 12 is typical at 8000 feet elevation on sun-blasted summer days in Colorado. I work full-time outdoors, 6 AM to 2 PM, and never use sunscreen. Wouldn't want to get skin cancer from that shit.
The distances between major cities is enormous, rail infrastrucrure is bare bones and airfares are some of the highest in the world (outside the US anyway).
But mobility is more than that, it's about how you can take time off work, how you manage you affairs.
>services
I'm not just talking month to month bills, I mean things like haircuts, mechanics, basically minimum wages are high and that makes life very hard for anyone who's not working.
You can get cheap flights to major destinations but it's about time. It takes me four hours to get to melbourne airport, so six hours to even leave the ground. Then it's a very long flight to leave the continent.
In the UK for example you can fly to Europe for a weekend, the tube connects to heathrow and luton.
Another factor here is the cost of moving/ posting things, specifically cars.
It's not bad all things considered but if you're not living in a van you might not be able to get around as much as you like
>You can get cheap flights to major destinations but it's about time. It takes me four hours to get to melbourne airport, so six hours to even leave the ground. Then it's a very long flight to leave the continent.
>I live in shithole Victoria therefore Australia has bad transport.
holy shit you're moronic. I live 15min from Perth airport. in 6h I can be on the train to KL sentral.
First world problems: the post.
You dont suffer.
Almost every Australian I've met while travelling abroad have been the biggest c**ts I've ever met.
I've only actually talked to a couple of them and they were both cool.
Most of them came across as pretty chill to me, but maybe it's just that I'm used to Canadians and honestly everyone is better than Canadians.
Aw thanks
Wait, loosest or sickest?
A drunk version of Canada. Uppity, uptight, entitled Anglos. Nanny state.
>implying Canada isn't drunk
The moment you get out of the cities its a fairly lawless wild west though.
Plenty of regional areas where you call the cops and they will turn up a day later and tell the abos to stop drinking on your front lawn
t. kiwi
you need to be a con to be australian
Australia is like a mirror image of Canada in that it's 90% unlivable wasteland with lots of flies pozzed with a populace of unlikeable c**ts and orwellian govs
Zero suffering country
The people who run Australia hate Aussies.
>
What are the cons of living in Australia (OP)
>The people who run Australia hate Aussies.
This.
Though many countries are similarly afflicted.
It's comparable to the southwestern US, one of the most popular parts of the country to visit in the summer.
Americans are restless and like to get out. Do y'all not have sunscreen and hats?
The Australian levels for comparison.
There's a massive hole in the ozone above Australia that gives the sun more of a bite.
Police state
>Cons:
It's not the United States of America.
>Pros:
Well, it's more like Puerto Rico, except if the Puerto Ricans had no independence movement while also having no protection.
Cost and libtards. I am very seriously considering moving to jungle Africa or the Amazon to avoid libtards.
give me one reason why would you want to be a 18-45 year old man in australia in the current year?
>> nanny state
>>fat manly women
>>rip off property
why live here when the best u can be is a wagie driving in rush hour in the mornings to pay your mortgage and feed your fat wife and bastard kids til you die at 60
just go to asia and enjoy your fuking youth
its a different world
don't waste your youth in aussie c**ts..
come on up and enjoy
>> $1000 a month 2 bedroom CBD apartments
>> $10 all you can eat feasts
>> 7 days a week night life, dining and entertainment
>> easy pleasant and feminine women
the fat boomers with SEAmonkey wives learnt the truth the hard way after 50+ years, a lifetime of waging and a divorce rape
lads skip the shit sandwich australia in 2023 makes you eat and learn from their mistakes while you are still young
I'm going to do it, thanks for the inspiration
I'll see you there in 3-5 years
How is the ranjeet pajeet problem in Australia?
it’s insanely expensive and there’s no culture
I'm heading to Sydney from the US for two weeks in about a month but can anyone explain how the c**ts at Fiji Airways work with their checked baggage? I called and the lady gave me a price which was far more than what the price on the website listed. She said I have to do it over the counter but she didn't say if I have to be there 4 hours before departure to get the price on the website. Has anyone dealt with checked bags with Fiji cause this is my first time going to another country?
>As an aside, do you have a layover in Fiji? I've been curious about booking this ticket with a Fiji layover. It's cheaper and idk Fiji sounds cool.
Roochads will steal your gf
Cons: big frick off spiders
Ludicrously low speed limits
High cost of alcohol and cigarettes
Pros:
Weather
Boku bucks for literally any job
>pros
Warm climate, hot grills
>cons
SPOIDERS
LGBT+ propoganda.
NPC lefties.
It's been getting worse every single year since at least 2005 and in 30 years it'll be a third world nation still trying to sell rocks to Asians
Source, Aussie
>It's been getting worse every single year since at least 2005 and in 30 years it'll be a third world nation still trying to sell rocks to Asians
Yeah, but canada is that third world country right now and your weather is better
I have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why canada would ever be better than australia to live in
I've been to Canada and my opinion is things are very similar but Australia is ahead on wages, slightly ahead on housing even though it's bad here and also slightly less pozzed than Canada. we do discuss how much we hate Indians at work and I doubt Canadians would have similiar conversations.
Sydney also slightly more prettier than Toronoto, but you can skip over to the land of the free...any single time you want...Nashville. LA. Vegas....It costs me $1500 to get to America at least. Pros and cons, I keep a lose interest in the UK situation and the Canada situation as I know they are slightly worse than us but makes me sick thinking we're going that way.
There is 500,000 on the way. Into two cities. With barely any new housing due for completion. 400,000 more than a sensible immigration policy of the 2000's.
IT IS FRICKING OVER FOR AUSTRALIA too, that's why if you move sure....but everything is ending.
Hobart use to be a backwater and cheap. Now it's not.
Brisbane use to be cheap, but then pandemic and now it's not.
SA is next.
It's ending here too so you might be slightly better of but...yeah
shallow '''culture'''
half the whites i wave hi to blank or ignore me
try to talk about anything deeper than sports or real estate and you're fighting an uphill battle
it's hollow down under
Huh, weird. I visited the UK as a kiwi and was surprised how unfriendly people were on the street. I'd smile or say "hi" occasionally as I do in NZ and they all looked so miserable all the time.
Sure at night and at pubs they were much friendlier then and could joke around a bit, but man, the whole country seemed like it was clinically depressed.
Though with the weather and lack of any outdoor activity, I'm not that surprised.
The entire culture revolving solely around the pub seems like it'd be depressing quickly
I get this impression as an American. The UK is dour, I think that's the word you're looking for. The US is described as a hostile and tough place to live but Americans have fun. I don't think the English actually have fun.
>the english don't have fun
thats why you go to ireland mate. We actually understand how to deal with shit weather and still be in a good mood. English hated it so much they had to go and conquer the world
Australia is full.