What are the cons of living in Australia?
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What are the cons of living in Australia? American considering moving to Australia here.
It's like America but much more expensive, with lower wages, higher taxes, fewer freedoms , more Chinese and way better beaches.
*I'll add that violent crime in the three major Australian cities is lower than NY/LA/Chicongo but there are equivalent cities in the US as well (Austin, Seattle etc.).
Who commits the violent crime?
Browns
at the moment sollys abos and eshays who steal cars
no one will be honest but its immigrants 1st and 2nd gen
I heard low skill, retail, and trades make a lot more than Americans unless you're a business owner level.
Aus minimum wage is like $24 AUD/hr. Which in real money is over $15/hr, same as California but most of the US is much lower.
I get about 30 packing grocery store shelves part time here
Lower wages in the equivalent service industries. Manufacturing is about on par, and FIFO mining can easily be 180k+ in time without a degree.
>Lower wages in the equivalent service industries.
The australia minimum wage even with the low dollarydoo value is significantly higher than almost every part of the US except maybe NYC. In some cases its double. I'm guessing it only goes up from there as far as better paying jobs.
FIFO mining gives you mental illness
>fewer freedoms
Americans get arrested for wearing their jeans the wrong way, collecting rainwater, crossing the road, feeding cats and not paying their dog licence. Children get criminal records for throwing paper planes in class, handed to them by the school's private police force. It's in the process of barring the presidential frontrunner from the next election, just to keep the senile incumbent stooge in place, like you'd expect to happen in some 3rd world shithole. You delusional people really need to accept just how laughable you look to the rest of the world lol
Pretty accurate but please for the love of god do not come here for the beaches. The beaches in Aus are absolute shit. Lived here my whole life and I've been to the beach less than a dozen times, unless you know someone that knows an actually good location there's no point. They are filthy, completely overcrowded, you can only swim in about 20 metres of beach because of the lifeguards and everyone is penned in there like a public pool. Go to Greece or if you do go to Aus spend a long time finding one and an even longer time going to one. No where here is designed for tourists despite. Despite tourist towns relying on tourists for income they are complete and utter c**ts to you and will say that to your face, Australia is the embodiment of America bad. It is also ridiculously woke, I don't think I know a single non family member that's conservative here and there's no middle ground, if you come here expect everything you do hear to be prefaced by "we'd like to acknowledge the traditional owners of this land on which we meet today, we'd also like to acknowledge elders past present and emerging" here is the official statement from the Australian Institute for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies ‘Being welcomed to Country means that you are talking to your spiritual ancestors and you’re saying just let this person come through. We trust that they’re not going to do any harm on this Country and so do not harm them.’ It's fricking moronic. Kids are taught it in schools and you can't get on a plane train or website without seeing or hearing it(you get fricking popups now on websites). It's not a nice country to live in and I don't see any reason that anyone would want to be here.
Australian cities are like US cities with the bad parts cut out of them... or at least the really bad parts, to the extent that Aussies I've met in the US have a hard time telling what parts of town to avoid because they simply don't deal with places where the average person on the street would rob you. And people who run them seem to give a frick about where they live.
Australians on the whole though, are incredibly narcissistic, uptight, autistic about following rules and ridiculously politically correct which is the complete opposite of what the rest of the world thinks they're like. It's weird, while at the same time having the worst elements of US bro culture.
you need to visit more beaches, in sydney alone, there are so many different beaches that you can pretty much find any kind of beach to suit your needs.
likely your experiences were from the very popular ones, but if you venture outside of those you will find many fantastic, pristine, and remote beaches, within just sydney and surrounds alone. WA, QLD, and NSW are littered with these kinds of beaches
Any benefits to acquiring Australian citizenship as an American?
Yes, then you can renounce your US citizenship
whats the point? less taxes and more opportunity to build wealth in US. passports are the same.
Probably aged pension and healthcare.
Also if you end up a tard disability pension is fricking huge.
>Also if you end up a tard disability pension is fricking huge.
Paid qualified moron.
There's literally another thread up with this exact question.
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very hard to get a rental at the moment, especially with no local history
what about renting with room mates?
Its all the bad of america with none of the upsides.
You have no rights
You have no freedoms
rules every where
Overcrowded
Not safe
Rude foreign people everywhere
Terrible drivers
Expensive
Less consumer choice
You fricking name it its bad in every area
>rules every where
>the rules
Such as?
Wear a seatbelt?
Line up to wait for the bus?
What are these terrible rules?
The people complaining about 'the rules' are Americans mad that it's hard to own a gun in Australia and brainlets who are butthurt they weren't allowed to go outside when they refused the vax.
>modified car? I don't think so bud
Ausgay government is the most NO FUN ALLOWED, even past bongistan
You can modify cars, the quality of work just has to get checked off after by a workshop to make sure it wasn't a shit job. And that only applies to some things too, gay shit like stance can be done without any issues.
Just dickheads upset you need a license for a gun, instead of pick one up randomly at a gun show.
>Its all the bad of america with none of the upsides.
Sure about that? We don't have these on a near daily basis.
The other shit just sounds like a copypaste hyperbole for literally any first world country.
we do the media just cover its up
>the media just cover its up
our media loves bad news, they practically cum on live TV when something serious happens here.
so why are you saying theres no crime? they report a shooting every day in the south/western suburbs of Sydney. Every day there us someone shot or other serious crime. Same thing in other major cities. Thats just what they can be bothered telling us
Objectively shit eastern states dickhead take on the rest of the country
Australia is the testing ground for future psyops being planned for the US. You can live ahead of the times in Australia, by which I mean "In the pod eating bugs" 5 years before anyone else.
Also what said.
The Australian government is actively hostile to it's population, unlivable country.
>no rights
granted - australians rights are trampled on all the time sadly
>no freedoms
grants - lots of red tape for most things in australia
>rules everywhere
granted
>overcrowded
only applies to sydney and melbourne
>not safe
this one is just not true - no street thieves or scammers like europe and asia, very little thuggery and mostly contained to a few shitty areas of big cities
>rude foreign people everywhere
they aren't rude
>terrible drivers
australians are rather orderly and this extends to the roads and driving
>expensive
granted
>less consumer choice
comparable to other western nations, lots of access to foreign goods
>Overcrowded
Its deliberately being made overcrowded because of zoning rules.
Majority of the population and the projected increased population is being herded into an area less than 1% of the total landmass.
>Not Safe
Violence is an every day occurrence and is continually creeping outside of the problem areas. Unlike America where you are actually allowed to defend yourself you are up shit creek without a ladder. Reminder home invasion is the most common serious crime in this country, as there is zero deterrent to armed robbery.
Why just recently 4 armed burglars with a gun invaded a home of a couple, luckily the husband was able to get the gun off the burglar and shoot one dead. This no doubt caused psychotic criminal defence lawyers and the justice system psychic pain.
Theres a case like this every day in the news and thats just what we are being told about. Its far greater than that.
>rude foreigners
are absolutely everywhere, gone are the years of friendly Aussies warmly greeting each other and tourists.
>Drivers
are atrocious the road is full of drivers that can't drive that are mysteriously getting licences. They can't even follow basic road rules. Particular SUV drives and other large 4wd vehicles are over half the cars you see on the road now and they can't drive.
>less consumer choice
we have a tiny variety of choice as far as products go, you simply cannot buy some things here.
You have to order them online.
Thankfully the dickhead Harvey Norman made sure we have to pay gst tax on everything we order online whether its sold here or not, which compounds the it's expensive problem.
>Thankfully the dickhead Harvey Norman made sure we have to pay gst tax on everything we order online
What a c**t
The virgin Harvey Norman taxtard vs the chad patriot Dick Smith who simply offered better shit locally
Still mad his food brand went under and I can't get good peanut butter anymore
it's just not true that Australia is unsafe, crime rates are much lower here than in america and most of europe. you're full of shit
>only applies to sydney and melbourne
Took me 30 mins to simply pass through Coffs Harbour the other day mate
Things really aren't like this, the only people I see saying this shit are bogans or morons on Facebook.
>only applies to sydney and melbourne
People really overhype how full and busy cities are here. Anyone who's been to London, NYC or LA would scoff at seeing what Australians consider "overcrowded."
where do you live that things aren't like that anon?
I've lived in most major cities in the Australia and some small regional cities, so I've got to see how life is across Australia over the years lately. If you want a city that is completely quiet, Adelaide is basically Silent Hill when it comes to traffic and people in the streets. Sydney is probably the busiest, but even that isn't that busy compared to other countries in the world.
So far my favorites here are Melbourne or Adelaide, both feel pretty nice to live in.
melbourne has every single one of those problems listed, in fact its the worst city in australia for them
>Melbourne has the worst traffic
You've never been to Brisbane or Sydney, have you? Trying to get from Brisbane CBD to Sunnybank can be a fricking 3 hour journey if you go during work traffic. Worst night I ever experience was getting stuck in traffic literally overnight in Brisbane, it was so fricked that it even made the news.
>Things really aren't like this, the only people I see saying this shit are bogans or morons on Facebook.
Says the citytard aka fake aussie
>Says the citytard aka fake aussie
I live almost 3 hours from the nearest major city and have most of my life, but I also have lived in major cities before. So cope more.
>you need to live in the desert and suck on an abbos didgeridoo to be a true blue aussie c**t
the only people not saying its like that are upper middle class homosexuals that live in their rich parents home in their isolated wealthy suburbs and never leave the house. Unless its to go to the airport for a holiday.
So they never have to experience what 99% of people put up with.
Coincidentally they are the same homosexuals the most vocal about politics
How is the dating scene in Australia? I always figured any first world anglosphere country would be nightmare mode compared to a latin or asian one
Most of the women are spoiled for choice and lack femininity. They have their pick of blonde blue eyed Australian chads and dont bother trying to stay slim or even dress well. This goes for the foreign women as well as they will immediately set their expectations that high upon arrival.
If you're not that guy, you'll be grinding against the grain just to get some subpar chick to give you any attention. Its over if you move here without being chad or being able to real estate max.
feminism and its consequences have been a massive mistake for the human race
Just like the USA, then.
Not receiving a single sign that a girl likes me here until I was about 22 or 23 has basically scarred me for my entire life. I don't give a shit about anything anymore.
Me too bro, 37 now and never been fitter but I can only match with obese girls, the ugliest asians or transexuals, feels depressing
>Most of the women are spoiled for choice and lack femininity. T
pretty much
otherwise its pretty good but maybe find a wife elsewhere first
> high taxes
much higher than in the US. you still need to pay for private health insurance or you have to pay a fine as extra taxes. no rebates for having dependents. currency inflates faster than USD so bracket creep is a problem
> shitty expensive housing
build quality of houses is absolutely atrocious, even compared to the US. 0 insulation and terrible heating so you will freeze in winter. lots of hidden structural defects, flood and fire risk, termites, etc. buying is minefield, but real estate in major cities is more expensive than anywhere else in the world except maybe HK.
> high cost of living
shitty currency, high inflation and everything good is imported
> limited job opportunities
mining, education and real estate are the only industries
> boring
even in major cities, everything shuts down by 10pm
Stuff can cost a bit more but if you have a good enough paying job, you won't notice. Rent will frick you though, the cost of renting or buying a home is pretty terrible.
There's fun stuff to do but it's mostly all within major cities or their surrounding areas. My personal suggestions would be living near Brisbane so you have access to the Gold Coast too, or living in Melbourne. Depends on what you enjoy really.
>build quality of houses is absolutely atrocious, even compared to the US. 0 insulation and terrible heating so you will freeze in winter. lots of hidden structural defects, flood and fire risk, termites, etc. buying is minefield, but real estate in major cities is more expensive than anywhere else in the world except maybe HK.
Not sure where you're living man but house quality here is a lot better than the US. Prices are fricked for sure but I've never had any concerns about insulating, defects or termites in any house I've lived in.
Roommates and you'll be golden. Most people that move out of home are either with a partner that works or are with roommates to cover the bills. Living alone is very very difficult.
>build quality of houses is absolutely atrocious,
heard that from my cousin who moves to aus from england. was actually laughing about how poorly built his million dollar home is. he does stuff with engineering while I post on four chan so I can only take his word for it
Government took 45% of my pay last financial year
>tfw not on $160k+ per year too
At least the government taking that much of my income in taxes is probably something I'll never have to get angry about (though I'd rather I would)
My tax is 9.4%
>NPC pol-gay cant comprehend being a selfless responsible adult
lol what a sheep, must have fell for the facebook propaganda
Western Australia is the place to be if you want to lay low for a while.
What are the advantages of Western Australia?
Pros: Lots of money if you work the mines
Cons: Shortened lifespan from mining, drug addicts and heat
nothing its the second worst state, also theres no such thing as laying low in Australia, so that anon is a fricking delusional fantasist.
If the police want to catch you here theyll literally send the army after you and comb every inch of the country trying to find you.
>Fuel cap on left side of car
Frick you he's an American
They are going from taking in 500k immigrants a year to 250k while Canada is going in the other direction. It's just a better place with better people. They make more money too.
Not only that but we also increased the requirements for verbal and written English and put new restrictions on student visas. Indians are losing their minds about it because the majority of them won't rank high enough for the requirements.
Tax here depends on what income bracket you're in. If you earn really high income, you get taxed a lot more. Lower-middle income earners (between 45-60k) get taxed around 10-14% and usually you'll get your money back at tax time if you're earning under 50k because you're considering a low income earner.
You can also claim a lot of stuff on tax.
Had to pay for laundry liquid to clean your work clothes? You can claim it.
Had to buy work clothes? You can claim it.
Stuff like that pretty much. Obviously you can't claim something like fuel to get to work though.
>he believes anything the Aus gov says
That means they are going to take 750k
see above about the new requirements. the numbers are going to decrease mostly because of the English and visa changes rather than putting a limit on the number that can come.
You can just fake the requirements, I've lived and worked with these migrants they'll tellyou everything is fake
they are just saying that, the numbers are not going to decrease
Btw its always been law you need to speak English to migrate. Hasn't stopped literally thousands of no-speaks.
>Btw its always been law you need to speak English to migrate. Hasn't stopped literally thousands of no-speaks.
yes, but the requirements were embarrassingly low before.
Spent almost two weeks over there in Sydney and was my first time traveling abroad. Got there by myself and my online mate I met there and stayed with him. Guess I'll share my experiences. First off, coming from LA, Sydney was a lot more safe to walk in and was my first time using a metro system really. Will say that the people are pretty nice c**ts overall, didn't have any bad experiences but was a little surprised some were bewildered by my accent, figured they were used to hearing American accents. Security cameras FRICKING EVERYWHERE. Even on the roads going up north where there was nothing for miles, security cameras were propped up everywhere and thats not getting into even suburban areas that were also littered with them. I can tell you that the drive from LA to Vegas you wouldnt spot one out in the desert. People were in-general were really PC which was pretty strange (I didnt use any slurs to begin with but people using the term partner more than anything was strange cause gay guys here just say husband) cause just about all of them had a problem with the Chinese staying abroad or buying houses. Whether they were white aussie or indian (didnt meet any abbos or first peoples that you c**ts refer to them as), they all had a problem with chinks. Food was really good. Can only say the "aussie" meal I had was a HSP and was fricking awesome but I dont know how you c**ts can finish those things. People were really pierced up, even the girls that I knew that were really shy had multiple piercings which you don't normally see. Strangely, I was the only one saying c**t out of all the mates I was hanging with. Very strange, really. It was a pretty pleasant experience altogether, but seeing the rent costs, the rules, lack of religious places (am a catholic beaner), and PC culture hold me back from considering this a place to live. That and warhammer stuff is too expensive so frick that. Thanks for reading my blog post, c**ts.
>Security cameras FRICKING EVERYWHERE. Even on the roads going up north where there was nothing for miles, security cameras were propped up everywhere and thats not getting into even suburban areas that were also littered with them.
For traffic control, traffic flow and safety (speed cams, mobile phone while driving, no seatbelt).
>more than 15 per cent of road deaths in Australia – are linked to vehicle occupants not wearing a seatbelt
Well one advantage is that Japan is not that far about 9 hours away and the Australian dollar goes fairly far when traveling there even on an average salary.
Most sensible comment in thread
>not that far
>about 9 hours away
Jesus Christ, imagine being Australian
The only adjacent places are Papua New Guinea and new Zealand but that is just a smaller Australia.
Flying to Japan from the west coast of the US takes 11:30hrs, so 9 hours is a strange thing to b***h about. It's also anywhere from 12-15 hours from anywhere in Europe.
9 hours isn't meaningfully shorter compared to 11. That's like one less trip to the lav. It takes 9 hours to get from California to Tahiti fwiw, which is seen as too far for a lot of people... Prices for nrt to syd or back are high, at least according to google and there's not many direct flights. Flights to BKK, however, are cheaper and more plentiful than flying from the US so you guys win that one.
>9 hours isn't meaningfully shorter compared to 11
I'd say almost 3 hours difference is pretty significant. And if you were coming from the east coast of the US, you'd be in for 15 hours at the very least since you have to fly across the US first and then stop in LA to change.
>Prices for nrt to syd or back are high, at least according to google and there's not many direct flights.
Not sure where you're looking but it's pretty cheap. Flying from Aus to Tokyo with return flights and a hotel included for 4 days is only about $1700AUD all up (so about $1200USD I think). Even going over for about 2 weeks with return flights and a nice hotel is only $4kAUD.
You can get LAX-NRT flights outside of peak times for under $800 usd. If you're smart about booking you can you can go for under $500 r/t though these deals are less prevalent than before covid. That's a direct flight, no 5 hour layover in Singapore or ICN. Not sure about hotel bundles but $1200 would be a price for Chicago to Tokyo.
>9 hours isn't meaningfully shorter compared to 11:30
when it comes to all the bullshit of air travel, it reall really is
The bullshit of air travel almost entirely has to do with the airport, not the plane ride itself.
put that together with a near 12 hour flight and that is really painful
For me, the difference between a 9 hour and a 12 hour flight is basically nada on a direct flight.
The more important consideration is time zones, which Ausfailia clearly wins on in terms of travelling to Japan.
>The more important consideration is time zones, which Ausfailia clearly wins on in terms of travelling to Japan.
Wtf, Australia is only 2 hours ahead of Japan?
You cannot suffer in Australia.
It is 1 hour difference when not DST
Depending on which time zone you live in
Currently:
-1 hour for Perth
+30 mins for Darwin
+1 hour for Adelaide
+2 hours for Melbourne/Sydney
Adelaide, Melb and Sydney do daylight saving, so they will all roll back by 1 hour in April and be almost in line with Japan. Brisbane doesn't do DST so they are always only 1 hour ahead of Japan.
Wait. Is this an actual argument about geographic distance in relation to aircraft velocity as if it can be made quicker?
>as if it can be made quicker?
No, it's just about who is geographically closer and what the travel times are, not how they could be made faster.
Timezone difference is only 2 hours between AU and JP. Zero jet lag. And the weather is opposite which is perfect for escaping the hottest parts of summer.
Think about all the hours you’d have to work in America to earn enough money to segregate yourself from every troublesome ethnic minority, weird lefties etc and remove that impetus
Net full time wages in both c**ts are about $60kUSD(not including super or 401k etc), prices are about 10% lower in aus on average at current exchange rates, if you have $500k on hand to invest in property off the bat you’ll cut down your taxes and live a comfortable life
Having been to most first world countries the only cities id genuinely prefer to have been born in or migrate to if language wasn’t an issue over Melbourne is Geneva and Zurich, NYC,Bay Area, Seattle and NC have too many problems to offset the income gains and the only other s tier c**ts are places like Singapore or Qatar and Lichtenstein
>Net full time wages in both c**ts are about $60kUSD
There's a lot of states in the US where average incomes hover around 30-40k... But prices n those places are much lower than Australia and much lower than places like Seattle. Houses are still $250k and under, gas is under $2.50/gal, food is really cheap, etc.
Australians work a lot less though. The amount of paid time off you get there would be insane for even Americans at the executive level let alone the wagie level.
>Melbourne .. Geneva .. Zurich
Even if you were born into a five eyes place like these ones you would still have to fight pretty hard to achieve a good life.
The choice of the degree and career in your 20s is probably the most significant if you want to get away of the scum. Not even taking into account the opportunity cost of a degree in Aus
Not really, experience and working upward from within can still get you really good pay. I know a few people that worked a shitty low level job for a year or two and then got higher up positions at about 80k-110k AUD per year.
You've just gotta be willing to put in high effort in a low level job and network in the company.
>you get paid more
has to be he most hysterical claim in Aus threads. The fact is things cost too much and you aren't getting paid enough.
I remember in Europe i could buy an entire banquet breakfast for 5-10 Aus dollars because the food and commercial products were kept cheap. Notice i said kept, that because in other smarter countries their governments actively try to force down prices.
Australia especially under a Liebor gov doesn't do any of that
Your point is valid for people on average wages. However it's quite easy to make great money here with relatively low barriers to entry. I have no qualifications, didn't go to uni and have been making 150k+ AUD for the last few years in a sales job. Only place I could make similar or more is the US but they work like dogs over there. Here I work 9-5 90% of the year, take 6 weeks off a year, and live in safety.
We have plenty of problems of course. The women here are mostly terrible & entitled. Our property market is one of the biggest rorts in the world. It's a c**t to travel anywhere beyond Asia. Our economy is a glorified banana Republic. etc etc
Like any developed country, life sucks if you don't have much money, but Australia at least has easy ways to make money compared to other similar qualify of life nations.
stuff being too expensive doesn't change for anyone in the country based on salary.
For example luxury cars are much more expensive here than in the USA.
Lol
Australia is a basket case country, the only reason its not better understood why its like that is the government having an almost impenetrable monopoly on infomation.
>The women here are mostly terrible & entitled.
It's not just Australia it's everywhere. Pussy hoeflation is a global phenomenon
this. australians have no idea how much worse it is for the rest of us.
you cannot suffer in australia.
>Iceland: 15 y.o. when they lose their virginity
Icelandic women are the ultimate prostitutes
There was some guy in another thread saying he wants to go to Iceland to find a wife and went on about how easy the women were. Now I'm starting to see what he's talking about, they just seem to be coomers there.
Unironically now I'm going to do that too. It's either an Aussie wife or an icelandic one.
thats norway. There are no virgins in norway. They all do group sex as a school graduation ritual
>India: 3 partners on average
kek, imagine living in a country of 1.5 billion and only 3 people are willing to frick you
Aussie here and i'm quite handsome pushing 9/10 so ive been told.
I've never had an Australian gf. Despite being regularly lusted over by women here.
I gad to literally travel to Europe for all my partners.
The women here are terrible for so many reasons.
How does that work for long terms though? I've travelled overseas and hooked up with women too, but creating a LDR sounds like a pain and also unrealistic (considering I usually only visit a country for 2 or 3 weeks).
i used to travel there for 2-3 months then come back and do it again each year
Don't you get cucked if you engage in a LDR with someone from Europe? Are you looking to get married for citizenship?
>The women here are terrible for so many reasons.
Define "here", where in Australia do you live? I've been around this wide brown land, and Brisbane is probably the ugliest and most miserable women imo.
Lol I and my friends are all the same. None of us ever date aussie girls only europeans. The girls come to live here after finishing their uni exchange etc
Aussie girls are repulsive
What sort of sales job are you pulling that much money?
Not him but you can get a high end sales job as long as you have sales/customer experience and present yourself well. You can make serious money working in luxury retail in the CBD, rich foreigners are constantly buying whatever they look at.
Imagine the US, but super gay, massive government that treats you like a child, no guaranteed rights, surveillance state, extreme taxes, and mandatory feminism.
>mandatory feminism
The ideal country oppresses women?
Arkansas with a beach
>The government is fully woke on every issue. They use a slightly more restrictive refugee policy to gain credibility with cuckservative boomers (it works too). Meanwhile, net immigration over the last year was over 500k into a total pop of about 24 million.
>Free speech doesn't exist - the Nazi salute (raising your arm a certain number of degrees) could get you jail time.
So wait, then the ideal country is totalitarian and bigoted?
Frick off, we're full.
bit mean
What are my option if I want to move to Ausfailia? I’m finishing up college in a semester but I don’t have anything else going for me.
Thinking about flight school, but then it’d be a little dumb to move
Depends on what your skills are and what industry you want to go into. IT is big and so is mining, so either of those always needs people.
In school for chemistry, no real skills right now.
Yep
>I’m finishing up college in a semester
are you american?
>sydney
An actual photo of Sydney.
>Sydney has a higher per capita of Chinese and also LGBT now
Found out the latter just a few months ago. Sydney has over taken Melbourne entirely in both categories.
i can't remember how long ago was the last time i travelled to Sydney.
Must have been over a decade.
I remember being there once and thinking it felt like that alley scene in Blade Runner where hes eating noodles, and not in a good way
When I was younger, I used to goto Mt Wilson each year to see the autumn leaves. You didn't have to go early as hardly anyone was there.
It was peaceful please with nature and the sound of bellbirds.
The last time I went was in 2017.
The main street had become like a shopping centre carpark near Christmas time and the sound of bellbirds was replaced by the sound of Mandarin
>7 white people
Jesu christ
>travisty shirt
damn this pic must be over 10 years old, its surely gotten worse since then.
one of the things literally no one will admit here (but im going to tell you) is that racism towards white people is totally out of control in major Australian cities and slowly creeping outside of it. Everything from violent attacks, threats, constant jibes and insults or just patronising behaviour in general is common.
>
An actual photo of Sydney.
>one of the things literally no one will admit here (but im going to tell you) is that racism towards white people is totally out of control in major Australian cities and slowly creeping outside of it. Everything from violent attacks, threats, constant jibes and insults or just patronising behaviour in general is common.
THIS.
I've only ever experienced that on the bus at night or nearby some shitty homeless abbo camp under a bridge.
"The researchers note that the stereotype of whites is that they are prejudiced, intolerant, and callous."
Is this the "racism" you are referring to? Or simply that Australian cities are ethnically diverse?
Are you saying that white people in Australia experience discrimination because they are "white"? Or do you feel that people other than whites have taken your job etc. this is a very old form of thinking.
"One in six migrants are paid less than the national minimum wage according to a new report by the Grattan Institute, which says governments have failed to stop exploitation of migrant workers with sexual harassment, bullying, and unsafe working conditions also rife."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-23/one-in-six-migrant-workers-paid-below-the-national-minimum-wage/102383332
See picrel for most in demand jobs for which immigration is essential. In the regions it is overwhelmingly mining engineers and doctors.
But I don't wish to invalidate your experience or patronize you. How have you experienced racism towards being white?
>How have you experienced racism towards being white?
I suspect "white dog c**t" being shouted at you gives the impression that it's all about being white.
>anon says whites experience patronising behaviour
>vindicate his post by automatically gaslighting, being racist and patronising
God tier trolling if that was his intention though.
Sad thing is they aren't trolling. Its almost comedy.
>"One in six migrants are paid less than the national minimum wage according to a new report by the Grattan Institute, which says governments have failed to stop exploitation of migrant workers with sexual harassment, bullying, and unsafe working conditions also rife."
As they should be. Migrant workers should only be for jobs that no citizen would do under any circumstance and in such cases, as they have no use to the country besides slave labor, they should be treated like the Belgians treated rubber plantation workers.
>if you don't make your toilet cleaning quota you lose your hands
>"One in six migrants are paid less than the national minimum wage
If the government wasn't flooding the country with migrant workers (i.e. "students" on student visas) maybe employers would have to offer acceptable wages for the position.
Very common in north Queensland and the NT where you have the abos who hold massive grudges against whitey
it's true
Australia was a British colony (it could have easily have been French) where white settlers eventually "tamed" the land (at the cost of many Indigenous lives, and with the help of Indigenous stockmen).
The British imported sheep and Merino wool became a huge industry.
The first wave of migrants were British (the "ten pound Poms" -- ten pounds for the boat trip).
In order to build the country's infrastructure (hydroelectric power) migrants were invited from Italy and Greece who also established Melbourne's world famous coffee culture.
There were already: Afghan cameleers, Chinese merchants during the gold rush, Europeans from prisoner of war camps.
Vietnamese refugees were accepted the 1970s on humanitarian basis, also enriching the food culture.
An official "multicultural" policy has made Australia a mix of Anglo and ethnically diverse population.
>completely forgetting to mention the gold rush of the 1850s that made the population more than quadruple with migrants from Europe
nice government propaganda
reality: migrants before the turn of the century were nearly all British, the amount of non-british migrants was minuscule, less than 0.9% of the pop.
Chinese didnt come here legally, just like America they entered without permission or were imported by immoral people to undercut local labour.
We accepted camels but not "cameleers" you pulled that shit out of your ass. just like we accepted american water buffalo and brahmin but not americans.
>melbourne coffee culture
frick sake you people are cringe incarnate.
new to the yabba?
From the Australian Bureau of Statistics:
Key findings
In 2020, there were over 7.6 million migrants living in Australia. This was 29.8% of the population that were born overseas. One year earlier, in 2019, there were 7.5 million people born overseas.
Nearly every single country from around the world was represented in Australia's population in 2020.
England (980,400) continued to be the largest group of overseas-born living in Australia. However, this decreased from just over a million, recorded throughout the period 2012 to 2016.
Those born in India (721,000) were in second place, with an increase of 56,300 people.
Chinese-born (650,600) fell to third place, with 17,300 fewer people.
Those born in Australia (18.0 million) increased 211,400 during the year.
Australia's population by country of birth:
Historically, more people immigrate to, than emigrate from, Australia thereby adding to the growth of the national population. The various waves of migrants from numerous countries over time, have had an important effect on the diversity of Australia's population.
High levels of immigration in the years before 1891 resulted in 32% of the population enumerated as overseas-born in the first country-wide census in 1891. In 2020 the proportion of Australia's population born overseas was 30%.
don't come here, already too many americans, the most unbearable people
Wtf it looks like Scooby-Doo!
Cons:
-terrible internet
-shit weather
-far away from everything
-nanny state
-spiders and such
-boring
>spiders and such
Legit normal in every house. But harmless
Huntsmen are total bros I keep them around they eat pests. Women are blind to anything that maintains balance and screech for their genocide because mah feefeez.
>What are the cons of living in Australia?
it's full
On balance as a western economy society Australia is pretty fair, as long as you have money. The different cities have their own personality. Melbourne and Sydney are increasingly hectic, busy, many many tourists.
Adelaide is quiet, a bit posh but with some poor suburbs. Canberra has highest average income and is a "designed" garden city.
Hoon drivers are common all over and there is an increasing trend for drivers of stolen vehicles to run away after a crash.
Australians love giant utes they are the biggest selling cars.
Overall people are pretty easy going.
Zoomers love dressing up and going out.
I think Aussies kind of take it for granted how good they have it (even with rental crisis expensive real estate).
They expect big car big house holidays etc.
Because of my introverted nature none of this appeals to me. So it has always seemed a bit weird. Having said that, no-one cares what you wear how you look you can be as "individual" as you want.
>On balance as a western economy society Australia is pretty fair, as long as you have money. The different cities have their own personality. Melbourne and Sydney are increasingly hectic, busy, many many tourists.
Adelaide is quiet, a bit posh but with some poor suburbs. Canberra has highest average income and is a "designed" garden city.
Pretty good rundown of the cities. Canberra is also pretty nice, I don't know why people shit on it so much.
>Australians love giant utes they are the biggest selling cars.
The amount of Chevy Silverados and Dodge Rams I've been seeing in recent years is insane. But they are seeing genuine use though since farmers move a lot of shit around and I do see a lot of tradies hauling shit from Bunnings in them.
>I think Aussies kind of take it for granted how good they have it (even with rental crisis expensive real estate).
True enough. I sometimes think about how things are here, but then realize just how terrible places like the UK or France or the US are.
Australia feels safer than the US does, I love how the US was and all the stuff it has, but you also never knew just how unhinged someone could be and if they're carrying. I don't really get that feel here and even the really shitty people in really bad suburbs can be defused by just being chill and not antagonizing.
what real racism? what are you calling out? how is white people experiencing racism, racism?
Do you think you'd get away talking like this if it were not for being behind a computer screen you racist coward?
Australian culture is a smile masking a sneer
this is not true, i smile at plenty of people in passing, and get 1 of 3 responses, a genuine smile back, an angry/ wtf face (my favourite), or the person will attempt to make conversation in which case i will run away.
aussie here, just tried to pickup a japanese girl doing some para para and got shot down. woe is me
What was the dialogue?
i walked up to her and said konichiwa, she took off her headphones n said huh? i said konichiwa again and she went haiiiiiiiiii and then i ran away.
as a non australian or american. Sydney and Melbourne seem better than 95% of american cities, as for freedoms, yeah australia is prety fricked in that regard but every country has less gun freedom than america, the only thing that really bothers me is the asinine ebike and escooter laws.
Whatever bullshit Psyops the CIA comes up with, they test it here first
if you have strong feelings about le guberment and freedom, it's even worse here
the sun
it's a severe police / nanny state
incredibly expensive
rude people (for example they will push onto the bus or train before those on board have had a chance to get off)
weather is shit half the time (south is cold and grey half the year, north is raining sideways half the year)
awful public transport
pubs are shit
dead atmosphere at sports
drugs are up to 5x the price and a third the quality
groceries are shit quality and 50% higher price
prominent youngish person's style is to dress and groom like a basedboy
have to pay extra to pay by card
"large" eggs are medium by uk standard
the height of australian humour, that will have most aussies rolling around in tears, is sixth form banter
post system doesn't work, basically a 50/50 chance as to whether your post will arrive or not (third world tier)
chinese and indians dominate city centres
aboriginals live in the parks so you can't take girlfriend or kids there (they'll attack you verbally or physically)
lots of public services require paper correspondence to sign up etc, and will never get back to you no matter how many times you enquire
most of the women are obese
australians get drunk off 3 small beers but will act like their drinking culture is the heaviest on earth, and get offended when you suggest it isn't
the older I get the more I learn every country believes it has the heaviest drinking culture.
also it is completely full. do not come here, it is terrible anyway.
redpill me on perth
I also need to know about Perth, is it cool there?
I've lived in Perth for most of my life. It's not worth visiting - the CBD is boring and full of homeless people, and the rest is just exceedingly ugly suburbia. The only things I'd recommend are the beaches and Fremantle, which has a nice colonial port vibe to it and some fantastic architecture.
If you must visit then use it as a stopoff point for visiting the South West and Great Southern regions, which are genuinely beautiful places.
Thankfully inner Melbourne exists as a holding pen for morons of this nature.
I've never been to Australia, but my impression (American) is that it's a huge desert island that's far away from everything, but the cities are pretty safe and clean with Anglo sensibilities (similar to Canada but hot?)
Because of that, it would be cool to see the wildlife and be on the opposite end of the world, but I can't bring myself to purchase a $10k plane ticket to visit there because culturally I don't think it brings anything unique to the table.
With that said, I'm sure it's very safe there and I'd have a great time if I were to travel for business; however, as a tourist, I'm just not convinced it's worth the trip. Sorry!
>the cities are pretty safe and clean
it's hit and miss in this respect
>cities safe and clean
i disagree
>safety
theyre all full of drug addicts, drunks, instagram gym junkies with roid rage looking to start a fight because you looked at them for a split second
>clean
piss and vomit in every side street, rubbish in every main street
its no good to live in a place where people dont care about each other or respect society
>but the cities are pretty safe and clean with Anglo sensibilities (similar to Canada but hot?)
Yeah, 60 years ago maybe
Now it's like
says
the last time Australian cities were actually Australian was the early to mid 90s after that it went downhill fast.
They have become a lot worse in the last 20 years and are getting even more worse every year.
>my impression (American) is that it's a huge desert island that's far away from everything, but the cities are pretty safe and clean with Anglo sensibilities (similar to Canada but hot?)
Having been to USA, Canada, UK, and being an Aussie, I can say that these countries are all very Americanised and despite some minor cultural differences are rather samey.
I think Australia is the best of these countries to live in. Not perfect and previous anons have made accurate statements about its drawbacks.
I think the Yanks are pretty good sorts so wouldn't mind more of them in Australia, but that's just me.
this country is quickly becoming only nice to live in if you are rich.
Theres the rub. It used to be fine to live in for everyone. It is never going back because the gov is committed to national suicide
It seems like every western government is bringing back feudalism. Australia is a society where everyone who earns under 200k is a serf who has to mingle with each other, and people who earn more than that get to live in their own bubble and never have to interact with poors.
And the poors will never be able to rise up, because they're as racially diverse as possible, with some of the worst races, e.g. former child soldiers from Sudan who are violent towards Australians, Afghans who don't care about doing their work properly so houses are built poorly, the list goes on.
This country used to be a land of equality with a distinct lack of classism, it didn't matter if someone was rich or poor.
Now theres a growing divide between people who have lots of money and some money or no money but the legacy of an equal society remains. There is little actual social benefit to being wealthy here but that is causing the wealthy to naturally become annoyed.
the friction in this country is going to come from imported people believing they are Nuevo rich and entitled to greater levels of respect than they actually deserve.
Nouveau*
I remember in grade 3 (2001) we were taught about 'multiculturalism' and how great it is. My school was pretty diverse at the time, but the kids in my class were children of immigrants from Europe who came here by boat on their own accord, not because some shady government agency brought them all here. That really took off in the 2000s. Lots of Afghans, Africans, etc. People who just don't assimilate into Australisn society at all. It's an intentional recipe for disaster and this country is only going to get worse.
lol i remember that shit, being indocrtinated with multi culti propaganda from an early age, teachers messing up the classroom and turning the lights off so we would know what it "feels like to be a refugee", this would have been around 2005-2008ish
Highest incidence of skin cancer in the world
Positives:
>Beautiful natural environment
>Great coastal lifestyle
>Excellent fishing opportunities
>People are generally quite laid back
>Very few catastrophic earthquakes or tsunamis.
Negatives:
>Housing is significantly more expensive, especially in major cities.
>No constitutional protection for individual liberties.
>Lots of nanny state nonsense (fireworks are illegal in most of the country, very high excise taxes on alcohol, etc.)
>Higher utilities costs
>Food is more expensive than in most Western countries
>Fuel is more expensive
>Slower economic growth
>Fewer job opportunities
>Significantly higher income tax
>Airfares are more expensive due to the government protecting Qantas.
>AUD is only worth around 0.66-0.68 USD.
If you want to get Australian citizenship for the healthcare benefits, I say go for it. Otherwise, I wouldn't move here.
Sincerely,
Ausanon
Americans are moving here.
>What are the cons of living in Australia?
It's a hot, expensive nanny state and the average internet connection is literally slower than in Guyana
t. ausgay
I have 600mbps. Do you really need it to be faster than that? Either you live in the middle of nowhere or you need to switch providers
The biggest problem in Australia is housing is a complete fricking rort. It's one of the most expensive housing markets in the world and what you get in return for your $1 million dollars is the equivalent of a cardboard box. Leaks everytime it rains and is the same temperature as it is outside.
protip: gays that say our internet is slow are young liebor c**ts that still think its the Krudd era.
*anyone that lives more than an hour from the city, a.k.a. real australians
it is shit, you're a filthy city c**t
frick off moron i live outside the city in a semi rural and bush zone, the entire area has nbn
> got mine don't care
People like you fricked the country. I lived in inner Sydney and only got a fibre connection in 2022.
You all hat,no cattle homosexuals whined so much that we took a decade to roll out NBN to a few hundred thousand people when you could have serviced tens of millions in that time. Now you're all abandoning NBN anyway because starlink is better.
You fricked our internet and should pay far more compared to cities like every sane country on Earth does.
We need to napalm basically all regional areas and start again. Total Bogan Death.
i live 30 mins from melbourne, have nbn, and only get 40 mbps
downloading a game from steam is like 6 mbps
>got mine poster
i was 100% right you are a dirty liebor schizo from /misc/. I live in one of the largest rural regions in nsw. Nbn is every where.
You can see on their website
>rest of your post
Lets get this straight you lied and claimed you are from outside the city, now it turns out you are just a poser from the inner city
you are just a schizo, stay the frick in your city you stupid labor leech.
>I GOT MIIIIINE U-UR A LABOR SHILLL
shut up citytard
you realise you are a moron right? yelling "i got mine" and lying and claiming you don't isn't an argument you liebor pos
Btw you just admitted you are from the city and i stated i am not from the city. So you are just an intellectually disabled troll.
moronic socialist c**t. The entire continent is covered in NBN now. Its not 2009 anymore.
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>inner city schizo goes around calling rural people city-slickers while complaining about the rural
>city slickers larp as rural and pretend to have nbn to avoid facing the reality that they didnt deliver the nbn
the entire continent has NBN. What planet are you on you stupid low iq c**t?
Its pea brained mentally disabled socialist c**ts like you dragging this country down.
c**ts i fricking hate it here what country should I move to?
American here I got a working holiday visa but there is a ass load of competition for basic jobs most places and alot of homosexual regulations whitecard rsa ECT. Personally I've been here 2 months Sydney, Brisbane, gold coast, Cairns and I fricking hate it it's like a bizzaro USA not something unique and exciting like Europe and Asia were. I'm only staying because I paid for this stupid fricking visa and bupa health check if I woulda known it was like this I would a just stayed home worked 6 months and went to SEA or south America
yep, honestly starting to pity foreigners that are lured here by our lying government.
Propaganda here still makes out its like the 80s. In reality its nothing like that. Its an over regulated banana republic,
>American couldn't get whitecard
Tyrone confirmed
I'm not paying for a certification and the PPE for something I already have experience in. Same reason I'm not getting my forklift ticket here when I can use it back home ridiculous
all the "tickets" as they call it here like forklift is basically an extortion scam by unions.
The idea is you go on unemployment and get them to pay for it.
I remember once meeting some butthole Canadian that was somehow taking Aus unemployment benefit.
I met a brit taking Iceland unemployment
As an American who did WHV in Aus, you're an absolute mong if you think getting something like an rsa is a pain. You take a 2 hour course, complete some bullshit quiz, and they hand you a cert on the spot. You most likely assumed people would throw themselves at you asking you to work for them. Might as well head home to your parents so you can take over the family business
There's a lot of falsehoods in this thread, it's a safer, more boring, well-run and regulated USA, that's slightly less rich but the wealth is better distributed.
Some people will like it, some people won't
Yeah, that's why it's less fun.
There's a lot more car theft in Australia I've found
Australia is such a joke of a country it's amazing it manages to keep run