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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I only read the book; IIRC it's about kids who grew up hearing stories about their parents' experiences fighting in Vietnam, and going to carve out corrupt little fantasy-lands in the tropics, because admitting there are no more blank spaces on the map is too painful.
    If that's what the film is about I don't think it's aged well. The crisis today's young travelers struggle to overcome has nothing to do with living in the shadow of the real explorers; today's crisis is the fact that we simultaneously live everywhere and know everything. Conventional travel is no longer possible; we travel only to play out a script that's already been played out a thousand times. This is called postmodern irony.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is possible, for certain conditioned minds, and people with time. Obviously, if you have a week or two of vacation time, no. But as for me, I got a phone a little over three months ago for the first time in about ten years for an important phone call that I might receive in the future, so I'm not addicted to one, and I've looked up some reviews of places, tourist attractions and used a translator and so on and so on for over a month, until I got tired of 90 plus percent of the things this device said was wrong. Now I just wander around and let my instincts and mesolimbic system do the work, and I'm magnitudes more satisfied. You can pick up the words and phrases that you need at a restaurant or for directions, by just talking and making mistakes and being confused.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        what country are you roaming around in anon?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You’re living in the ‘90s anon, I envy you.

        what country are you roaming around in anon?

        Southern Morocco rn, why would I go anywhere else?

        [...]

        I’m drunk atm but I plan to re-read this comment later, seems like a lot to unpack here.

        Not really unless you like the aesthetic of mainstream edge tier early 2000 movies. It's on a similar to Fight Club in it's message and aesthetic, but has even less to say. It's not really a travel movie, more of a Lord of the Flies survival horror

        I’m streaming this movie right now. I would do unspeakable things to that French girl. And someone give Robert Carlisle an Oscar.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm really curious to know what the important phone call you might get is about?

        https://i.imgur.com/bHeKUQH.jpg

        What is SighSee's opinion on The Beach (2000), a movie about travel culture?

        I really like this movie, I realize it's not good though. Some of my favorite movies are ones that were relatable at that moment. I was going through similar experiences at the time and the romance, exoticness and self hatred of Leos character had a effect on me.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This.

          Other people don't have to dig it for you to dig it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Found someone more isolated than me, at least I have pretend friends, do you even have work bro?

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So is it worth watching?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it's a pretty good movie

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not really unless you like the aesthetic of mainstream edge tier early 2000 movies. It's on a similar to Fight Club in it's message and aesthetic, but has even less to say. It's not really a travel movie, more of a Lord of the Flies survival horror

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just did. It's cool.
      Apparently the beach from the film is basically destroyed from over-tourism now.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They wrecked the beach during filming as well

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the government had to close the beach because of that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus christ mate, if you take one frickign thing from this film

        IT'S ABOUT FINDING YOUR BEACH, YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND YOUR OWN SPACE IN SEA not fricking flocking to the one in the movie, frick me your dumb c**t.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >IT'S ABOUT FINDING YOUR BEACH, YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND YOUR OWN SPACE IN SEA
          i suppose the issue here is this isnt SighSee, its SighSee and the same reasons one might have for watching The Beach are usually the same for travelling there. you imply that the film would've worked as well if set in detroit or cancun. thailand is a unique place; a place of wonder and longevity. maybe isolating oneself amongst like minds on some untrodden island is unrealistic. but if you want to live out a colonel kurtz fantasy, then applying for an educational visa focusing on security training or muy thai can get pretty close; shooting off rpg rounds should get you the rest of the way. the urge to find a little slice of heaven isnt recent. whether it be hotel california, margaritaville, or shangra-fricking-la. the difference is thailand is still at its (realtive) peak thirty years later.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      NO. IT SUCKS.
      >hissssss

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    started off well, the ending is corny. Its a comfy movie, Virginie Ledoyen is sexy, I met many versions of her on my travels. you can meet the Alex's in Bangkok today, they're still there. Still wearing the shell necklace. I miss the friends I met traveling...

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This movie only made a modest $144.1 million on a $50 million budget, received mixed to negative reviews, left no impact on pop culture and it's only lasting legacy is destroying the natural beauty of the location it was shot in.
    But you know what, frick it. I'm going to watch this movie some time this week because you homies have been shilling it for the past two decades.
    I'll report somd time later next week if the thread is still up.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just watched it. I didn’t like how insular it was, the plot development felt hustler and how the entirety of Thailand just took a backseat to the Normie white full moon party bs

    But it did have a comfy early 2000s feel which I liked and young DiCaprio is kino

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mfw I finished The Beach

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's a bit of a meme
      it's a dumbed down version of a really good movie with strong 2000s nostalgia as a substitute

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Your real self is who anonymous strangers acknowledge you as
    anon captures what I dislike about travelling these days

    anywhere remotely popular has had the vibe removed and replaced with some loud overweight nobody spending an hour taking and retaking a fifteen second clip to peawiener to a large number of internet nobodies

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I loved the book and hated the movie. The music video for Moby's song Porcelain is also better than the movie.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    made me want to travel. It's a comfy movie.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Makes me ravenous to go back to Thailand even though there wasn’t ONE LICK of cooming or Thai culture in that frickin movie. The Thai people were reduced to dumb monkeys guarding their weed crop.

      Smfh

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Saw The Beach last night.
    I thought I was in for some philosophy kino about the pursuit of authenticity with beautiful cinematography but instead what I got was a pretentious, puerile, tonally inconsistent mess of a movie that doesn't know if it wants to be a coming-of-age story, a drama, a romance or a horror film.
    Danny Boyle seems to think that viewers will get bored if he doesn't introduce some plot point or story beat every ten minutes, the drama feels contrived and manufactured.
    The love triangle between Richard, Étienne and Françoise? Dropped after the first 20 minutes. Bugs is set up as an antagonist and you anticipate a potentially violent confrontation between him and Richard but nothing comes of it, even after he fricks his girlfriend.
    There's a lot of goofy moments, mostly Richard's hallucinations/dream sequences where he thinks he's in a badly designed video game or talking to a dead Duffy that really undercuts the seriousness of the situation.
    Also, imagine being DiCaprio and having to pretend you're sexually attracted to Tilda Swinton. Eugh.
    The best thing about the movie was the French chick, the beach itself and Robert Carlyle as Duffy (lucky bastard spends 95% of it dead).
    It ironically turned me off going to Thailand completely, seems like it was already played out even back in 2000.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice critique chud. Still going to Thailand

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      going to Thailand hasn't been cool since the 80s

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Think Burma today is what Thailand was in the '90s?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        No lol.
        Thailand has been a on the tourist circuit since jet travel became a thing. My grandmother went there in the 80s, which sounds cool, but it was on a senior citizens package tour so it probably wasn't. But the pictures look cool.
        Back then there weren't as many tourists. People visiting Thailand were Japanese or American and mostly boomers, maybe a few euros. That's the main difference between the world then and now, no Russians, no Indians, and certainly no Chinese.
        I'd say Indonesia or Vietnam is probably about as touristed and developed as Thailand was in the 80s. Burma has always been an unstable autocratic shithole. Cambodia now I think is what Vietnam was like in the 90s and Burma is probably like what Vietnam was like in the 80s, before they really opened up to foreigners.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Has anyone been to burma? Seems like a backwater that’s still stuck in ancient times. Might be kino beach tier revamp

        [...]
        Interesting perspective. Then the older white woman at the end who couldn't leave because it's all she knew. Like a metaphor for the roasties I guess?
        Either way I thought it was a shitty movie because I watched it with the expectation of travel adventure and realistic but humorous and exciting accounts. Lesson the possible metaphorical symbolic things if that's what it was.
        I was thinking wtf did this turn into and wtf was that ending lmao

        Did anyone think the older alpha who’re woman was hot? the redhead I mean I would’ve boned her

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Island mommy? I thought she was attractive in a way. She seemed like someone who'd try and follow me around lol.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          burma is currently engaged in a bloody civil war

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like an exciting adventure.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tilda Swinton is hot af, you must be gay

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >And me? I still believe in paradise. But now at least I know it's not some place you can look for. Because it's not where you go. It's how you feel for a moment in your life when you're a part of something. And if you find that moment... It lasts forever.
    This is the sort of faux deep drivel you would see hung on some basic b***h white girl's wall (the film's target audience).
    Bravo Boyle

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This is the sort of faux deep drivel you would see hung on some basic b***h white girl's wall
      A basic b***h would tell you that you should keep travelling

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Interesting perspective. Then the older white woman at the end who couldn't leave because it's all she knew. Like a metaphor for the roasties I guess?
    Either way I thought it was a shitty movie because I watched it with the expectation of travel adventure and realistic but humorous and exciting accounts. Lesson the possible metaphorical symbolic things if that's what it was.
    I was thinking wtf did this turn into and wtf was that ending lmao

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I grew up in BKK in the 90's.
    Frick this film.
    My sister kept calling, and made me call, the english-language music radio station so that they'd keep playing this fricking song:

    IIRC, khaosan and all those backpacker places became much, much shittier after this film, although as stated in the film/book the "golden era" was already long gone at that point.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Part of it has to be the declining value of the dollar relative to local prices. Shit since covid accomodations are up 60% in price while my wages are only up 20%

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    what about The Platform by Houllebecq
    Another novel concerning thailand and sex touristing? Thinking about reading it next i have read his first novel and i thought he really captured the zeitgeist, its great literary image of modern alienated incel man, even though it was written 20 years ago

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek I'd love to see a film of this book.
      Still waiting for his sex tape to be released.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can anyone recomend me some kino travel movies? I've watched Darjeeling limited which was really fun but that's about it. I can recomend tv series in the mean time, the snake on netflix, true story of a serial killer during the hippie backpacker era, and Gap year, kino uk comedy from channel 4 about two mates going on a lad holiday in china

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you mean like a road movie? Y tu mama tambien, Crystal fairy, Paper moon

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Has anyone seen this?
      Its been sitting on my watchlist for the longest time

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not really a "movie" but Long Way Down.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mammoth

      Wolf Creek

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mammoth sounds kino

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          oh i forgot my favorite travel fim:
          Transsiberian (full length free on yt)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ben Kingsley, Emily Mortimer, Woody Harrelson
            Thanks anon, I'll give it a watch.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        wolf creek is hilarious, the bad guy is like a cartoon character

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Mammoth
        >During the making of this film, Michelle Williams was told that her husband, Heath Ledger, had just passed in his sleep
        fuuuucckkk....

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Mammoth
        I just watched it. It was alright. Made me miss skinny Thai girls with cute mouths. Is the meaning of life periodic episodes of infatuation and passion while you think you're experiencing love, bros? Are we gonna make it? Frick I'm probably going to Thailand soon. I'm fomo'ing.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Is the meaning of life periodic episodes of infatuation and passion while you think you're experiencing love, bros?
          no, but life without it isnt much worth living. you'll still need a focus whether it be a business or hobbies to keep youself engaged. in the west its setup such that acquiring a family, a home, and status necessitate your being a slave to the system; all things considered, not a bad trade. the importance of a place like thailand is you can stop the thieving of your precious time. what you do with that time is up to you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Sheltering Sky (1990)

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tourists dont really form groups like that

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the point, they thought they were better than the degenerate coomer trash but weren't.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's the exact point I couldn't get over. The movie kept bringing me back to memories of insufferable pot smoking slobs I'd encounter along the way and how obnoxious they were. Seeing them and in the movie they're looking down on the partiers like they'd ruin the place as if they're not doing the same. They revolved everything around pleasure and we're fine if people die for it but then if there's other people chasing pleasure they have to keep their super secret and exclusive hippie dope den clean. Ridiculous.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The DiCaprio character is self-aware enough to say "I'm not special, I'm just like everyone else".
          It's also not clear if he's supposed to be sympathetic or not, he steals a guy's gf and we're supposed to be okay with that but then he becomes the bad guy when he pretends to be Colonel Kurtz.
          It's just a mess of a movie, I bet most of the cast and crew just signed on for a paid vacation to Thailand most of all

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he steals a guy's gf

            are you 10? he didn't "steal a guys gf" people meet new people all the time. All's fair in love and war.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Great soundtrack

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >consistent in the way that islam is consistent. The fanaticism papers over the inconsistencies
    Lol
    Could say the same about Mormons.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Garbage.
    Old gay here. Was living in Thailand and Cambodia when this was released.
    It was basic b***h then, and still is.
    Utter middle class shit.
    I’m so glad the internet maimed and killed this genre of film.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is the ultimate End of History 1990s film. It is basically alien to anyone born towards the end of the last century and ended up destroying the filming location in the ultimate act of creative destruction (and irony). It also it has one of Underworld's most underrated songs in it. Generally a bad movie though.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Panned by critics, hated by general audiences, torn apart for incredibly corny acting and nearly killed Danny Boyle's career... but eventually found its way as a cult film, with a small, dedicated fanbase. Ironically, the base seems to be more centered on the time-capsule aspect of the film and how entertainingly bad it is, rather than anything else.
    >The film reveals the time of its creation right off the bat, and not just with its Y2K-era soundtrack and style. It opens with Richard describing Southeast Asia as a place where "dollars and Deutsche Marks get turned into counterfeit watches and genuine scars". Two years later, Germany would retire the Deutsche Mark as its currency upon the introduction of the euro. A later scene also has Richard imagining that he is in a video game — specifically, a PlayStation 1 game, complete with a filter designed to make the film resemble the blocky, primitive 3D graphics of the time. The closing scene takes place in an internet cafe with a long row of G3 iMacs, a computer whose bubble-like design was then on the cutting edge of The Aesthetics of Technology but which is now seen as a time capsule of early '00s computing (Apple itself moving on to its more famous aesthetic not long after). Finally, Sal's effort to keep her island paradise a secret could only have worked in the time before smartphones capable of remotely uploading pictures directly to social media became the norm; notably, Françoise is seen using a disposable camera in one scene, while Richard makes a call on a pay phone. The last point arguably makes Sal even more of a Tragic Villain, as a modern-day viewer knows, with the benefit of hindsight, that her island will eventually be discovered and exploited by the outside world despite all her best efforts.
    Kek, even fans of the film only like it for being so good its bad and being a time capsule of the 2000s

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >still harping about the video game sequence in 2024
      it was fine and not "so bad it's good"

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Watching "The Beach" is like experiencing a script conference where only sequences are discussed--never the whole film. What is it about, anyway? There are the elements here for a romantic triangle, for a man-against-the-jungle drama, for a microcosm-of-civilization parable or for a cautionary lesson about trying to be innocent in a cruel world. The little society ruled over by Sal is a benevolent dictatorship--you can be happy as long as you follow the rules--and that's material for satire or insight, I guess, although the movie offers none. [...] In a smarter film, Richard would have been revealed as a narcissistic kid out of his depth, and maybe he would have ended up out in the woods where his screams couldn't be heard.
    Based Ebert, Richard IS a selfish prick in the movie.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >so good its bad and being a time capsule of the 2000s
    the world in 2000 was unrecognizable to someone in 1990 and changed yet again by 2010. why shouldn't the plot be disjointed, wasnt that the point? how people change when they become untethered from expectations of home? love story? bro, he was on vacaction in thailand...he hit it and quit it. nobody takes vacation relationships seriously. he was mostly interested due her french aloofness and found out she was basic after the veil fell. it was film in which the protagonist and viewer were expected to lose themselves. feral dicaprio was a highlight for me.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not about travel culture or something.
    It's about the failure of the youth culture of the '90s. Dudes wearing Che Guevara t-shirts and thinking about improbable "alternative lifestyles" like living in a boat in Amsterdam selling magic mushrooms or becoming a perpetual freetechno raver that wanders from party to party in a van for the entire life.
    Anything that wasn't a conventional life was hyped and sought after, there was some guenuinity in it maybe but it was all very thoughtless, shallow and ultimately stupid. Too individualistic to conceive something really sustainable and with real political impact: it was basically "you" or a small tribe of acquaintances that would eventually find a solution by being "smart", "adventurous" and "thinking outside the box".
    The group of The Beach embodies this ethos: finding an improbable and precarious niche that lives in a gray area between criminals (the weed farmers) and conventional tourism, feeling blessed and smarter than everybody else and thinking you have beaten the system.
    But inevitably things go sideways, bad shit happens, this new found reality becomes a bad trip, and those who come out unscathed go back toeing the line in the middle class society where they came from.
    Then you put it all in a box with the label "youth" and bring it with you gooning on nostalgia for the rest of your mediocre life, never realising it was all bullshit and you were just mimicking the impressions you received from MTV.
    In that sense, it's not a bad movie at all. A rather good one in fact.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rotten tomatoes tier *claps*
      >and those who come out unscathed go back toeing the line in the middle class society where they came from.
      Then you put it all in a box with the label "youth" and bring it with you gooning on nostalgia for the rest of your mediocre life

      This is one of the hardest realities to adjust to as an adult. You’re just gonna be some average loser like most other people

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's not so hard once you realise your and most ppl's youth was essentially chasing some bullshit that the particular zeitgeist you were in told you to chase.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          …….damn……

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This is one of the hardest realities to adjust to as an adult. You’re just gonna be some average loser like most other people
        but this has less to do with living a worthwhile or satisfying life rather than being an outcome of economic warfare. existential crises would be far less common or enduring if americans had 30+days of vacation every year, "free" healthcare, low consumer debt, and wages that kept pace with inflation. being average has become prohibitatively expensive. know what i mean?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          I am not advocating or condemning any particular lifestyle.
          The movie, I believe, it's a critique of what youth culture was in the '90s. It doesn't have actually much to do with travelling or else.
          Was I around in the '90s? Yes.
          The culture was pretty much a '60s revival (at least in Europe, and to some degree in the US) but with much less momentum. Even if Marxism revamped, the youth was pretty disillusioned with the concept of a revolution, or a big political movement, that would fix the world. Not yet devolved into the full atomization of these days, and still feeling the necessity for the other, so the solution was thought to be a little tribe of akin spirits that would find a groove between legality and illegality. Basically a spot where you would sustain yourself with activities that were illegal but not felt evil or immortal, and not consider yourself a criminal (a criminal still would considered a despicable individual). To find a niche of sort and live with your friends a life outside the rat race.
          As appealing as it could sound, it goes without saying that all this was pursued very naively and stupidly. And for most was just engaging in a continuation of a greenwashed version of '80s hedonism: the "noble hedonism" that was backed by political and "spiritual" (new age was at its peak) motivations.
          A lot were middle class posters who larped as Rastafarians or other stupid shit they didn't even understand just to smoke weed and (maybe) have easy sex.
          As the movie shows, goes without saying that it was only a matter of time before these social experiments would frick up big time and self destroy. In some cases a few years, in others a few months or even less.
          The generation that came of age in the '90s hoped for an easy, swift, smart and in some sense elitarian change without much struggle or care for the rest of the world that wouldn't leave its path. It failed, and that's it.

          well put. i guess i was railing against some hypernormalized zoomer notion that everything is version of something else and that nothing real or meaningful exists beyond their screens. i felt your critique was bit unfair or cynical to have been the result of firsthand experience.

          >Was I around in the '90s? Yes.
          >The generation that came of age in the '90s hoped for an easy, swift, smart and in some sense elitarian change without much struggle or care for the rest of the world that wouldn't leave its path. It failed, and that's it.
          so, in short, despite all your rage, you're still just a rat in a cage?

          I was born in 91 so obviously barely sentient throughout the 90s but this is very interesting cultural critique that I can now more vividly see in the movie.

          I’m curious what was the gensis of this:
          >the youth was pretty disillusioned with the concept of a revolution, or a big political movement, that would fix the world. Not yet devolved into the full atomization of these days, and still feeling the necessity for the other, so the solution was thought to be a little tribe of akin spirits that would find a groove between legality and illegality. Basically a spot where you would sustain yourself with activities that were illegal but not felt evil or immortal, and not consider yourself a criminal.

          What socio-political events preceded the 90s that gave rise to this? For example, the great financial crisis of 2008 and the misery it produced caused the explosion of escapism via drugs and race culture for the next 5 years.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Drugs and **rave culture

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your birth year is a hint.
            Just like comrade Stalin feared most, the worst has come to pass.
            With the fall of the USSR, humanity's last chance to be free was gone forever.
            The capitalists seized their chance and plunged the world in darkness and here we are know, persisting in the doomed world they created.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              USSR was a shithole

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wasn't that guy one of those that put people to work or killed them? Or killed then by working then to death?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well there wasn't a single big bad thing that happened that set the tone. It was an admixture of factors.
            Banally, the '80s with their vapid hedonic individualism came to natural exhaustion. The new generation wasn't appealed by consumerism, seeing it as stupid, and a culture of anti materialism began to spread. They also escaped mainstream entertainment, such as music, because by the end of the '80s it was laughably stupid (think about hair metal). So they began seeking among local and smaller realities, the so called "underground", and they could actually find better music and a more organic way of socialising.
            Psychedelic drugs had a comeback and were thought to be taken "to make the world a better place".

            https://i.imgur.com/8QhyIdt.jpg

            Your birth year is a hint.
            Just like comrade Stalin feared most, the worst has come to pass.
            With the fall of the USSR, humanity's last chance to be free was gone forever.
            The capitalists seized their chance and plunged the world in darkness and here we are know, persisting in the doomed world they created.

            The fall of USSR played a role actually. But not what you think: since the USSR was told to be the source of all evil for at least 4 decades, people thought that once fallen the world would become a peaceful and prosperous place, but it didn't happen. So a lot of people became critic the West, its cardboard freedom and its lies.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > never realising it was all bullshit and you were just mimicking the impressions you received from MTV
      yeah the chances of my laying on my death bed and concluding that my time spent in thailand "didnt count" is about nil. its all grist for the mill. also your rant comes off as bitter, cynical, and not a little bit ignorant. its a nice (B+) critique but thats all it is:
      “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

      —Theodore Roosevelt

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >rant
        the heck you talking about anon and why do you take this shit personally. "You" doesn't mean "you as in specifically you anon", it's generic.
        Everyone on earth misses his own youth, for what it actually was or what it could have been, but nobody should idolise it and think that it wasn't to some degree stupid and puerile.
        If you manage to do that, you live much better as an adult. If you don't you will just keep poisoning yourself with envy and resentment towards young people, and you're not really out for good shit with that attitude.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          i guess my point is that there exists a very real large world outside of the apparent omnipresent hustle culture which only exists to maximize profits for shareholders. and its worth remembering, if you're able, that in 2000 opportunties werent anywhere near as strained as they are today - and i'll add thailand was 10X cheaper as well. there would've virtually been no opportunity cost to deciding to "bum" around the world for five years.also im not really sure what lifestyle exactly for which you're advocating. plenty of people have followed the path laid out for them by society and have found out it was just as fleeting (divorce, termination, lawsuits,ill health) or equally meaningless as some youthful fancy. probably, they were the better for it but there arent any guarantees. the most meaningful result would be wealth generation. and if you were around during that time, you'd know there were no shortage of ways to make easy money.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This is one of the hardest realities to adjust to as an adult. You’re just gonna be some average loser like most other people
            but this has less to do with living a worthwhile or satisfying life rather than being an outcome of economic warfare. existential crises would be far less common or enduring if americans had 30+days of vacation every year, "free" healthcare, low consumer debt, and wages that kept pace with inflation. being average has become prohibitatively expensive. know what i mean?

            I am not advocating or condemning any particular lifestyle.
            The movie, I believe, it's a critique of what youth culture was in the '90s. It doesn't have actually much to do with travelling or else.
            Was I around in the '90s? Yes.
            The culture was pretty much a '60s revival (at least in Europe, and to some degree in the US) but with much less momentum. Even if Marxism revamped, the youth was pretty disillusioned with the concept of a revolution, or a big political movement, that would fix the world. Not yet devolved into the full atomization of these days, and still feeling the necessity for the other, so the solution was thought to be a little tribe of akin spirits that would find a groove between legality and illegality. Basically a spot where you would sustain yourself with activities that were illegal but not felt evil or immortal, and not consider yourself a criminal (a criminal still would considered a despicable individual). To find a niche of sort and live with your friends a life outside the rat race.
            As appealing as it could sound, it goes without saying that all this was pursued very naively and stupidly. And for most was just engaging in a continuation of a greenwashed version of '80s hedonism: the "noble hedonism" that was backed by political and "spiritual" (new age was at its peak) motivations.
            A lot were middle class posters who larped as Rastafarians or other stupid shit they didn't even understand just to smoke weed and (maybe) have easy sex.
            As the movie shows, goes without saying that it was only a matter of time before these social experiments would frick up big time and self destroy. In some cases a few years, in others a few months or even less.
            The generation that came of age in the '90s hoped for an easy, swift, smart and in some sense elitarian change without much struggle or care for the rest of the world that wouldn't leave its path. It failed, and that's it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              well put. i guess i was railing against some hypernormalized zoomer notion that everything is version of something else and that nothing real or meaningful exists beyond their screens. i felt your critique was bit unfair or cynical to have been the result of firsthand experience.

              >Was I around in the '90s? Yes.
              >The generation that came of age in the '90s hoped for an easy, swift, smart and in some sense elitarian change without much struggle or care for the rest of the world that wouldn't leave its path. It failed, and that's it.
              so, in short, despite all your rage, you're still just a rat in a cage?

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does The Triangle Of Sadness do everything this film sets out to do, but better? That's the impression I'm getting from this thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No?
      I've seen the trailers, this is a movie about rich people getting stranded on an island after getting shipwrecked.
      Pls no spoilers, I intend to see it next week.
      Much like the director's previous work (The Square) I suspect Triangle of Sadness is heavy on the social commentary, unlike The Beach, which completely botched whatever message it was trying to get across.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's good, you'll enjoy it. There is a ton of vomit played off as dark comedy though so just a warning if you can't stand that

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    in this year 2024 what is the closest country to the thailand of the early 2000s/90s?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Regional areas outside of big cities in SEA countries

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Influenced me treadmendously that opening scene when you get to a crazy place you've never been, with everyone acting different and this and that encapsulates what travel is. You've gone from your home and you've planted yourself in the middle of something where everything is different. The sights, smells, languages, fashion, demeanor, climate EVERYTHING is different and it captures that well at the start.

    The soundtrack is also amazing and I 100% hit it up every single time I am on the plane flying to a new destination.

    I am about 100 pages into the book but never quite finished.

    There's a new world waiting for you travel and I personally find it liberating, all that awaits at home is pressure, obligations, fat women, work, crappy family - I'd rather be TRV.

    I do admit the more is descends into a Hollywood kind of survival the more I kinda tune out.

    I'll mention another old travel movie called A Map to Saturday as well.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The soundtrack is also amazing and I 100% hit it up every single time I am on the plane flying to a new destination.

      Yes, I am 100% doing this next time I travel.

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      This song fills me with that excitement and anticipation of traveling to another place whenever I listen to it.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Will also mention this film, this is essentially me and I suspect a lot of people here, outkast at home, anyone they want to be abroad.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah teddy bear is cool. thailand has something for everyone...

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's loses track I admit, but the fact I love the fact that internet helps sustain memories in the end, they way it does now, you add your best friend to Instagram from travel, you like posts and promise to meet again and then within 5 years they're married, you never meet again and one day they unfollow you or vice versa.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to add a cute Euro girl who I had sex with in Thailand in 2003 to Myspace (none of this ever happened)

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This topic died like the little community that was part of the beach.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >97 replies
      >muh death

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just watched. Is Thailand still like this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sweet summer child…

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leo was 26 in that movie and I first went to Thailand when I was 26 *starts crying*

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This shit was based especially with that mobie song, this and Anthony bordain got me into travel

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this and Anthony bordain got me into travel
      What sad life

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry about the late reply but my life has been a bit of a mess right now, but I did watch Triangle of Sadness two weeks ago.
    It's about what you'd expect from the director of The Square, we follow Carl and Yaya, two models who are in a relationship together solely for the Instagram clout who wind up in an island after the yatch they were invited to was attacked by pirates and shipwrecked.
    By far the best part is the Captain's Dinner scene where all the oblivious rich people start throwing up after eating oysters.
    The island segment is the weakest because the satire is at its most obvious (satire is at its best when it's subtle and understated).
    I liked that it shits on simp culture by portraying Carl as an emasculated chump and showing how stupid you have to be to keep up with female abuse.
    But I honestly found the movie ind of boring. For as heavily marketed as Harrelson was he's barely in the movie at all, he only appears in a couple of scenes. I definitely felt cheated after that.
    My final assessment: it's okay, bold for making a statement about wealth inequality but too aimless to really leave any sort of lasting impact.
    I won't bump the thread because its basically dead, I'll just leave this here for anyone interested.

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