Lets say for some reason you couldn't hitchhike, and you had to pay for transport.
Would you find a specials youth ticket for trains or multi-city bus pass? What is the cheapest way to travel around Europe if you have to pay?
What is The Cheapest Way
bus
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Even for long distances, I think a flight to Barcelona from Riga is cheaper than bus right?
it literally depends what you're willing to put up with.
Buses will be cheapest, but you'll need to spend your time and some money on food
Flights may be a little bit more, but you'll be there quickly and have more time
Trains can sometimes have cheap ass deals but need connections mutlipletimes
A flight from Madrid to Milan is like $150. You don’t want to spend 14+ hours on a bus or train.
150 bucks without any luggage though, whereas you can take nearly unlimited luggage on buses if you give a small tip to the driver.
>cheapest way?
Flights because time is money and if you calculate how much value you lose by wasting time on buses and long train rides you'll find that anything besides flying is a complete waste. The real answer is don't travel if you're too fucking poor to afford it, you save up and then fly, not the other way around.
>lets say you cant hitchhike
Begpackers should unironically kill themselves, going abroad to live the homeless experience isn't traveling, it's borderline retardation.
>nearly unlimited luggage
How much luggage do you fucking need on a trip? Even on a 2 week stint a carry on is all you need.
>Flights because time is money and if you calculate how much value you lose by wasting time on buses and long train rides you'll find that anything besides flying is a complete waste. The real answer is don't travel if you're too fucking poor to afford it, you save up and then fly, not the other way around.
a ten hour overnight bus that costs eight bucks is a vastly better deal than a two hour flight that costs a hundred. both in terms of waking hours spent travelling and money. since you know a two hour flight actually takes more like four hours (generously) when you factor in getting to/from the airport, security, delays etc.
and don't even get me started on the grift that is airports. next time you book a flight look at how much of the airfare was taxes, fees and other bullshit. also the transportation options to/from, ive been to literally countless cities where tuktuks and mototaxis are banned from operating anywhere near the airport just to funnel you into laughably overpriced cabs.
This assumes that you can actually get some sleep on the bus and won't be completely tired the next day until you check in at your next accommodation to take a nap.
you can find buses in the likes of bolivia and mozambique now that pitch 160 degrees and cost like three dollars. its not perfect but with an eyemask and earplugs its doable for a nights sleep.
air travel is also an unending barrage of exhausting bullshit too. even if you're booking higher class cabins (obscenely expensive) you are still subjected to the same security theater and nickel & diming that everyone else is. sometimes it does make sense, but the whole "time is money" thing no longer really applies.
Funny enough you can't find these kind of buses in developed countries because as soon as alternatives as trains and planes appear, long-distance buses will be relegated to serve people who can't afford better.
Of course airports and airlines try to squeeze every penny from you, but you can avoid most of that by proper planning such as bringing your own food and drinks (to refill after the security theatre) as well as researching what transportation options will garden gnome you the least.
to be fair this is largely because in the last twenty years with the advent of LCC tactics like unbundling flight fares have come down so much that it appears cheaper than buses. at least until the airline starts charging the unawares for anything and everything from boarding passes to carry-on luggage.
its more the nickel and diming that occurs just getting to and from the shitty airports ryanair flies to.
flying is such a fucking scam its really hard to describe. people will insist they would never take a bus, but unless you are getting just skinned on a cab/uber or are in one of relatively scarce global cities that has metro/rail lines to the airport (which aren't always a good deal GATWICK EXPRESS) you are going to be spending probably about an hour each way in a bus or waiting for a bus.
I am fine if LCC tickets appear cheaper than buses if I end up spending less money and time than on a bus.
Of course there are traps such as fees for doing trivial things such as printing a boarding pass or mislabeled airports hours away from the city they're advertised as, but these are things you research in advance and avoid or add to your calculations.
No airport far away nor the most luxurious public airport transfer will make up for the price and time difference between a flight (
) and a bus (
).
You also overestimate the number of airports with insufficient public transportation access in Europe and the fact that many premium airport links can be avoided by using slightly less convenient services.
There is a time and place for flying. Long (like LA->NY) distances and/or some sort of geographic obstacle like the mountain range or sea make it necessary.
But people who just look at a two hour flight vs. a ten hour bus and think "whelp time is money, I'm flying!" are missing the plot. And next time you book a flight look at what you're actually paying, its a littany of fees, taxes and nonsense charges they just pile on because air travel has turned into this anti-customer experience of getting your pockets emptied by every entity from the airline, to the airport, to the governments of the airspace you are flying in.
The bus picks me up and drops me off right downtown. I can sleep on it no problem. It is often cheaper than flying, though not always. I would always rather take the train, but until very recently the train hasn't been cost-competitive with buses.
My experience is a lot of people fly because they have some sort of stigma attached to the bus. Like its something only poor people do.
you are poor you poor brown subhuman poor
>seething because he takes the bus like the subhuman scum he is
hahaha you're poor
>example of a bus is a turbo-thirdie shithole
lmao
of all the fucking arrogance i've ever seen on this shithole a FUCKING BUS
this also only poors and subhumans take busses meaning it might just not show up or havehuge delays or the junkie alcoholic driver might start having the DTS because it's been 6 hours and you crash and die
Have you actually ever traveled in Europe? Budget flying is illegally cheap, you can cross the continent twice on less than $100. Yes, luggage beyond a backpack is not included, but with a $20 ticket price, you can splurge on an upgrade to include some.
>ryainair
Yeah I have and I know RyanAir is notroiously nickle and dime you on things, shit ontime record, etc. Flights in the USA are stupid cheap as well, but budget airlines come at a price too.
For all we know OP has a carry on sized bag, that 20 euro flight now is 50.l
Still $100 less and 22 hours faster.
>nickle and dime
Just don't buy snacks on a 2hr flight, okay? fmd.
woah, 50 whole euros!!!
>Budget flying is illegally cheap
WAS
with covid retards traveling and the war it will NEVER agasin be cheap
>traveling in August
I just checked the price for september-october, the prices have dropped again. Got my flight to Copenhagen with non-budget airline for barely 100 euros. Stop booking and complaining about prices in not only peak season but also the first time when 90% of normies no longer fear to travel again; right now it’s the first time in 2 years they travel with confidence.
post airline and itinerary
you wont because it's a trash one
i guarantee it
Paris to Copenhagen, 130 euros, air france, from late september to early october, with non-shitty hours (early evening).
Pic related Madrid. All Air France.
You can get way cheaper if you go budget. I don’t because prices are reasonable enough for me and loyalty program stuff (no line, extra baggage for free etc)
There’s a reason why I never travel in August. Not only weather is shit, but it’s expensive as shit and everywhere is overcrowded.
anon...those are awful prices. i thought you meant north america to copenhagen, not a flight originating from the EU. air france is literally no different than esayjet at those distances, you got memed
>just take the bus for 16 hours with subhumans bro
have a nice day
lmao oh yeah the ultra classy experience that is air travel in the [current year]
its a flight worthy itinerary because you have to take the ferry at fehmarn to get there and that's a pain in the ass that adds hours to the trip, but a hundred bucks is ugly
You conveniently ignored the 16 hours part, so even if the clientele of buses and budget airlines were the same (they aren't), you'd still be stuck with them in a bus for 14 hours more than in an airplane.
this busses wouldn't be so bad except for the people who take busses
I'm referring to the train that runs between those destinations
Like I said, I don’t mind such prices because I go from an airport close to my home, I skip lines, I have access to lounge, and most importantly, I have up to 2 free extra luggage. Sure, I don’t use these perks all the time but when I go to the US or elsewhere to see family for a long time, these extras can be useful.
I’ve been traveling since the early 90s, and after trying them all, budget airlines are not that cheap when you need your extra luggage and other conveniences.
My point is, even budget airlines are expensive as fuck right now, Paris-Madrid is about 300 euros (on budget airline), and Paris-Copenhagen is about 600 with Air France.
The cheapest ever was in 2020 and 2021 though, and trust me, I traveled the shit out these two years despite restrictions. 2020 and 2021 (and to some extent early 2022) were possibly the best years to travel in recent times.
>$300-600 orly-cph
at that point its worth bringing a book or some work project and taking the fourteen hour train for like fifty bucks.
At this point I do not travel in August, at least by air, period. Like I said, weather is shit, everything is overcrowded and prices are extremely retarded. I am simply waiting for september.
And no it’s not orly because Orly doesn’t have flights to Copenhagen, if I am not mistaken.
also im not traveling in july or august
i traveled in apr-start of june and my trips are start of sept through end of october
you will never again have cheap good flights regardless of whn
Inside Germany, 9 euros.
Who the fuck hitchhikes hahahaga
Are you bald and bankrupt or something hahahahaha
Only if a gypsy hag picked me up and offered to suck me off would I feel safe
hagaga hagaga.
Do all your fantasies involve sucking or getting sucked by another guy?
I can bond with any 3rd world woman in milliseconds even the gypsies fear me
Actually I haven't met any yet but it's the next test
>long distance
Ryanair/Wizzair no contest, book in advance, forget holiday destinations in high season
>medium distance
train or bus
Hshshsgsh
>oy vey not the bus
>why dont you want to get sexually assaulted at security and spend four times to money to get there even slower than on the bus anon
shut up and get in your goytube
>bus crash : everyone dead
>literally nobody cares
>flight mishap : no injuries
>international news
just goes to show only human trash takes the bus
also the flight is 4pm so perfect traveling time not early morning fucked-security-wake-up-at-3am bs
dont post while in a rush kids
Taking the plane is moving
Taking the train/bus is to travel
Trains bus forever
Can anyone attest to the experience of buying a vehicle + paying registration and then selling it when you're done in car-centric countries? Is there any issues with this or is renting a vehicle/alternative travel still better
National Express in Britain killed all their international routes, and good chunk of domestic during covid, and flixbus while still a thing is heavily reduced. Did the same happen with European coach companies?