Denver by a longshot, but the male/female ratio is pretty skewed. I definitely notice going out you mostly see groups of bros with like 1 girl. Pretty jailhouse gay. Probably great if you are trans.
SLC, but its a lot of either young ex-mormons but hey all have baggage, PTSD from the cult bullshit, or actual mormons who are boring and get married and have kids at 21.
Hmm, I've visited Denver a bit and didn't see much appeal, but I found Colorado Springs pretty awesome. Boulder was cool too besides the crazy cost of living
Will check out SLC
Colorado Springs is cool and way more clean then Denver but worse for "music, art and being around a younger crowd." It's a boomery place full of glowies and the JROTC kids.
>It's a boomery place full of glowies and the JROTC kids.
yeah I used to a glowie, so that checks out.
Are there any other good cities? Currently in Pheonix, which is nice in the winter but shitty in the summer. Phoenix is close to Sedona for 10/10 hiking, good enough music scene, art scene is ok, and lot of young people from ASU
Right outside the Smokies, in fact you can see them in the distance. It is very musical; you will see someone on every corner playing music. It's very hippie but not hipster. And there is UNC so there's a college town aspect as well. It's extremely artsy and they put a lot of effort into the community. Great if you are the liberal free spirit type.
Burlington VT's on the tiny side (45k city limits, 170k county which is like a 15 min driving radius), but a blast to live in during your 20's. Great (for the east coast) hiking and skiing within an hour's drive. Lots of beaches along Lake Champlain, and general outdoor activity. Very active, young community. Excellent nightlife. People tend to be college educated and generally chill.
Unironically, Los Angeles. >hiking
Santa Monica Mountains are literally in the middle of the city. On the edge, probably 30min-1hr away is Angeles National Forest. Day trip accessible Joshua Tree. Weekend trip accessable Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Death Valley and Mojave. >Music
Every band regardless of size or genre rolls through. Tons of incredible venues (Hollywood Bowl, Greek, Wiltern, The Echo, Troubadour) >art
One of the biggest gallery scenes in the US. Also, tons of world famous museums if you are talking about more established stuff. >being around a younger crowd
Most of the people in the city itself are under 40 and tend to move to the suburbs when they get older.
I don’t care about burger cities and your fat women
Right outside the Smokies, in fact you can see them in the distance. It is very musical; you will see someone on every corner playing music. It's very hippie but not hipster. And there is UNC so there's a college town aspect as well. It's extremely artsy and they put a lot of effort into the community. Great if you are the liberal free spirit type.
any of you want to give advice on mid 20s guy going looking to do the same thing as OP (looking to become more socially outgoing)? Is the simple 'join a club' advice really all there is to it? Have any of you actually met good buds going hiking, to music festivals, etc?
Native North Carolinian seconding this. Although I'd differentiate between Asheville and the RDU. I think your 'hippy but not hipster' description is fairly accurate. Both are lefty and prog, but places like Asheville or even Boone definitely have more of a hippy flair to them contrasted with the more urban sprawled hipster RDU. It's a subtle distinction but it's there. The Appalachians attract the hippy outdoorsy types that wear Patagonia and open-toed sandals, the people that bum around ski resort towns and are into rock climbing.
I'm from central, I'd love to move back west if I could find decent work. Anything east of Raleigh is a fricking shithole, unless you're literally in a seaside towns. And even then they're mainly just populated by boomers from all over the state who moved there to retire and fish. Not a lot of opportunities for a young person wanting a thriving social life - baring maybe Wilmington, the only place on the NC coast with a somewhat younger crowd.
Burlington VT's on the tiny side (45k city limits, 170k county which is like a 15 min driving radius), but a blast to live in during your 20's. Great (for the east coast) hiking and skiing within an hour's drive. Lots of beaches along Lake Champlain, and general outdoor activity. Very active, young community. Excellent nightlife. People tend to be college educated and generally chill.
Unironically, Los Angeles. >hiking
Santa Monica Mountains are literally in the middle of the city. On the edge, probably 30min-1hr away is Angeles National Forest. Day trip accessible Joshua Tree. Weekend trip accessable Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Death Valley and Mojave. >Music
Every band regardless of size or genre rolls through. Tons of incredible venues (Hollywood Bowl, Greek, Wiltern, The Echo, Troubadour) >art
One of the biggest gallery scenes in the US. Also, tons of world famous museums if you are talking about more established stuff. >being around a younger crowd
Most of the people in the city itself are under 40 and tend to move to the suburbs when they get older.
NYC women are all spoiled rotten c**ts and the minute anyone moves here they turn into a giga b***h. Also they have plenty of options for rich chads so you will be competing with literally the best men in the world, plus there is a large pool of Blacks, fat dysgenics, old people, etc that skew the ratio up. In Europe there is a more higher concentration of attractive women who are skinny and well put together which makes the situation not as bad
Domestic migrants too. All throughout the beautiful spaces of the American West, there are surplus of transient males, who move from place to place every few months on a whim. While it may be easy to catch a pretty girl's eye while she is vacationing with her parents in some mountain town and feeling rather mischievous, dating and establishing a relationship with a local girl is quite the challenge for a transient guy. Such a challenge that I have not met any guy who has succeeded in such a quest. "You gotta import em", my (transient male) buddy says when we discuss dating here in the Colorado Rockies.
I've heard vegas has the best "four season climate" according to rock climbers so they all go there, whatever that means. I'm pretty sure it fulfill your other requirements as well.
Denver by a longshot, but the male/female ratio is pretty skewed. I definitely notice going out you mostly see groups of bros with like 1 girl. Pretty jailhouse gay. Probably great if you are trans.
SLC, but its a lot of either young ex-mormons but hey all have baggage, PTSD from the cult bullshit, or actual mormons who are boring and get married and have kids at 21.
Hmm, I've visited Denver a bit and didn't see much appeal, but I found Colorado Springs pretty awesome. Boulder was cool too besides the crazy cost of living
Will check out SLC
Colorado Springs is cool and way more clean then Denver but worse for "music, art and being around a younger crowd." It's a boomery place full of glowies and the JROTC kids.
>It's a boomery place full of glowies and the JROTC kids.
yeah I used to a glowie, so that checks out.
Are there any other good cities? Currently in Pheonix, which is nice in the winter but shitty in the summer. Phoenix is close to Sedona for 10/10 hiking, good enough music scene, art scene is ok, and lot of young people from ASU
I'm good anywhere as I enjoy traveling and visiting nice places, as long as I have my Tap debit card for a convenient experience.
How long do you travel for? Do you have a primary residence anywhere?
I don’t care about burger cities and your fat women
Asheville, North Carolina.
Right outside the Smokies, in fact you can see them in the distance. It is very musical; you will see someone on every corner playing music. It's very hippie but not hipster. And there is UNC so there's a college town aspect as well. It's extremely artsy and they put a lot of effort into the community. Great if you are the liberal free spirit type.
any of you want to give advice on mid 20s guy going looking to do the same thing as OP (looking to become more socially outgoing)? Is the simple 'join a club' advice really all there is to it? Have any of you actually met good buds going hiking, to music festivals, etc?
Native North Carolinian seconding this. Although I'd differentiate between Asheville and the RDU. I think your 'hippy but not hipster' description is fairly accurate. Both are lefty and prog, but places like Asheville or even Boone definitely have more of a hippy flair to them contrasted with the more urban sprawled hipster RDU. It's a subtle distinction but it's there. The Appalachians attract the hippy outdoorsy types that wear Patagonia and open-toed sandals, the people that bum around ski resort towns and are into rock climbing.
I'm from central, I'd love to move back west if I could find decent work. Anything east of Raleigh is a fricking shithole, unless you're literally in a seaside towns. And even then they're mainly just populated by boomers from all over the state who moved there to retire and fish. Not a lot of opportunities for a young person wanting a thriving social life - baring maybe Wilmington, the only place on the NC coast with a somewhat younger crowd.
Burlington VT's on the tiny side (45k city limits, 170k county which is like a 15 min driving radius), but a blast to live in during your 20's. Great (for the east coast) hiking and skiing within an hour's drive. Lots of beaches along Lake Champlain, and general outdoor activity. Very active, young community. Excellent nightlife. People tend to be college educated and generally chill.
Unironically, Los Angeles.
>hiking
Santa Monica Mountains are literally in the middle of the city. On the edge, probably 30min-1hr away is Angeles National Forest. Day trip accessible Joshua Tree. Weekend trip accessable Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Death Valley and Mojave.
>Music
Every band regardless of size or genre rolls through. Tons of incredible venues (Hollywood Bowl, Greek, Wiltern, The Echo, Troubadour)
>art
One of the biggest gallery scenes in the US. Also, tons of world famous museums if you are talking about more established stuff.
>being around a younger crowd
Most of the people in the city itself are under 40 and tend to move to the suburbs when they get older.
Forgot to mention, it's one of the few cities in the US with a positive female to male ratio.
>Forgot to mention, it's one of the few cities in the US with a positive female to male ratio
Not remotely true. Any city in the American West has more men. It’s noticeably different. Especially on dating apps.
I meant the reverse. According to the 2020 census LA city is over 50% women
So NYC is pussy paradise?
more like pussy gamorrah
NYC women are all spoiled rotten c**ts and the minute anyone moves here they turn into a giga b***h. Also they have plenty of options for rich chads so you will be competing with literally the best men in the world, plus there is a large pool of Blacks, fat dysgenics, old people, etc that skew the ratio up. In Europe there is a more higher concentration of attractive women who are skinny and well put together which makes the situation not as bad
Philly is so easy to get girls because of this
unironically all my buddies i've met from pa have at least an 8/10 gf or main chick
>Any city in the American West has more men.
migrants
Domestic migrants too. All throughout the beautiful spaces of the American West, there are surplus of transient males, who move from place to place every few months on a whim. While it may be easy to catch a pretty girl's eye while she is vacationing with her parents in some mountain town and feeling rather mischievous, dating and establishing a relationship with a local girl is quite the challenge for a transient guy. Such a challenge that I have not met any guy who has succeeded in such a quest. "You gotta import em", my (transient male) buddy says when we discuss dating here in the Colorado Rockies.
>best city for hiking, music, art and being around a younger crowd
Los Angeles
I've heard vegas has the best "four season climate" according to rock climbers so they all go there, whatever that means. I'm pretty sure it fulfill your other requirements as well.
I want to frick her in the pucci in exactly that position and in exactly that location
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