What's the best low cost of living town or city in the USA?
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Grand Forks ND
Liberal Kansas
Lincon Nebraska
Iowa City Iowa
Toledo OH
Sioux City SD
Lawton OK
Beckley WV
Many places in the midwest/great plains
>inb4 gays come in going "b-but fly overboring shit no womenz"
If you can't integrate into a place like those outside Beckley, you're just a terrible people person or assume going to a bar is the best place to hook up. Most 'flyover' cities are easiest to meet people at the gym, city holiday event, church, or some such thing.
you've never been to any of those places, idiot
I have, did a lot of traveling pre-covid to do IT shit for a company and they had locations in these small towns.
>Would you recommend anywhere in AZ or is it just not worth living there?
I currently live in AZ, you said cheap, AZ is not cheap anymore. It was pre-covid but californians exiting as well as the tech sector booming here made it shit. That's why I am already in the process of moving.
Anon said cheap, Toledo OH is super cheap in the housing/cost of living market. You could go buy a house 2-3br for 85-100k
by your logic we should all move to Gary Indiana or Michigan City
you absolute fricking moronic moron frick
Thanks, anon. I work remote and I'm thinking just trying out different places for fun. Would you recommend anywhere in AZ or is it just not worth living there? Currently just living near my family here
>Toledo OH
Really, homie?
Picrel, if you had 56k in the bank you could easily also take advantage of the first time home buyer shit there and basically live for fricking free. Property tax would be 1000/yr, live fricking NEETbux mode if you wanted with cash to spare.
Liberal smells like cow shit and Lawton has methheads tf
1. cow shit smells good
2. there are methheads everywhere
3. have a nice day
>cow shit smells good
Good morning!
Flyover trash, I bet you've never been here. West Virginia may be comfy though
>t. Lived in Nebraska and iowa
No idea what all those are like but the only people who complain about small towns having no women are looking for older college educated wealthier ones, there's plenty of young females that still haven't saved up enough to get out yet
Rundown of Liberal Kansas?
hyper conservative Trump country, no joke
>Toledo OH
Only think OP would do in Toledo is find out how to commit sudoku so they don't have to live there anymore.
>Iowa City Iowa
Frick that commie shithole... stock up on Onions if you move there because they likely will be sold out.
>Onions
Onions (Onions-Lent) got changed to Onions.. how?
f you're renting, North Ocean City Maryland is cheap and fun if you're renting. You'd be 1000 feet from the beach pretty much anywhere on the whole peninsula. The food is great. The women are bountiful. You can find an apartment for like $800. That's really good for a beach town.
That sounds great man
I kinda wanna visit
If I were younger and looking for something cheapish for a few years, I'd probably look at Fort Walton Beach, St Petersburgh or Clearwater Florida.
St Pete prices have shot way, way up in the past few years. My stepbro lives there, his tiny shack of a house in a shithole Black person neighborhood went from being worth 40K to 190K in about a decade.
Ocean City is a shithole where poor people (almost all blacks) go to party and commit crime. Violent crime is almost 500% higher than the national average.
The crime statistics in Ocean City look bad because only about 7,000 people actually live there full time, but there are at least 300,000 people staying there every night in the spring and summer. They base the crime rate you read on the permanent population. There were zero murders in 2023 and only about a 100 violent crimes, mostly bar fights where handful of people got rounded up afterwards. A typical US city of that size would average about 24 murders and 1000 violent crimes.
Toledo is a horrible place to live. Watch one episode of Live Patrol and you'll never want to move there.
where do you recommend instead? I'm in AZ close to family. Debating just sticking it out here. Not sure I'd spend more just traveling back and forth to visit them and moving fees etc
Toledo downtown sucks but you said cheap, it is cheap still outside the main city. What's your actual budget and question AZ is by no means "cheap" compared to the great plains and midwest.
Cheap to some anons it's a monthly cost of living of <1000/mo for rent+utils+food+entertainment.
Right now I pay about $2k/month all included, which is kind of rough. I'm in Tucson and there's nothing even worth going out to most weeks, so it's kind of a waste. Debating moving a bit further south near my family and just renting a house for the same cost, maybe less. Ideally though it's somewhere with a good scene and lot of hiking spots. Tucson has the hiking but the music scene is truly horrible
Oh you're that anon who keeps making these threads. I dunno what to tell you then anon, you keep bringing up a cheaper place to live but also always bring up being closer to your family. I'd trade Tuscon for anywhere but downtown Toledo, or any of the other ones listed in
. Not sure what answer you keep looking for on this board because it seems like a personal problem no one can help you with here. Why not set some of the shit you own into your parents place for a bit and map out some cities you want to visit for a few weeks.
Tuscon is really the cheapest you'll get outside yeah renting a shitbox in AZ. I'd trade Tuscon for Toledo, or any of the other ones listed in
. It's really hard to give you an answer for anything of "cheap places to live" because you keep on not explaining things you value in terms of location of living. Music scene or close to family isn't even something I consider when I was evaluating my previous or future moves, when compared to Cost of living and job opportunities(even though I am WFH).
f you're already in AZ and you want something close in a nice small town, I'd definitely look at Bayfield Colorado . You'd be 20 minutes from Durango and epic skiing. There are apartments for 900/month. The food is really good for a small town. It's all mom and pop restaurants, maybe 1 or 2 fast food places in town at the most. Durango has a shit ton of hotels, so it would be easy to get a comfy front desk hotel job and commute 20 minutes to work. Colorado minimum wage is $14.42 an hour, so you can work anywhere and afford 900 for rent. Get a girlfriend/roomie and split the rent.
This area is really nice. CoL is high though. Even compared to Denver, Durango is expensive, and the influx of remote workers like in
Arizona didn't help, but its even worse because telling people you live in Colorado is cool saying you live in AZ sounds kind of ass. There's not a lot of places to shop (the nearest Walmart is an hour away in New Mexico) so groceries are expensive.
I think I actually posted about southern Colorado or Utah as an option for you in your thread. It would be an all day drive from Sierra Vista. Which idk if its that important to be that close to your parents. My parents as I mentioned live in Arizona and for now I'm content to see them every 2 months when I can get a long weekend to do it. They also visit me occasionally.
>southern Colorado or Utah
any towns you'd recommend in particular? Sounds like a pretty good idea
late 20s, WFH engineer, college grad
In Utah, there are only a few places that aren't stiflingly mormon. Some might chime in with the fact that they're not bad people, which is true, but trust me, you don't want to live somewhere they're 90% of the population.
This leaves Moab, Park City and SLC and its suburbs as your options. Maybe St. George because its grown a lot from Californians. Even some SLC suburbs like Provo are too much. Moab and St. George might be too smalltown for a young guy. Ogden has a bad reputation for some reason but I think its an alright area. And very pretty.
In Southern Colorado, there's really only Durango and Pagosa Springs as nice towns, the latter you might find too quiet and isolated.
Everywhere else, Alamosa, Cortez, are dumps. Durango is probably the best place I've been in the whole country. It's just a really nice place and even though its small there's a college there and a lot of people pass through so its not too boring.
I'm not sure if Telluride counts as "southern" Colorado but its too expensive anyway. Your WFH engineer salary is no match for the trust fund millionaire kids that gravitate there.
Ouray is nice but pretty small.
Montrose, Gunnison and Grand Junction are real redneck.
Thanks for the summary anon. Durango looks perfect. I'll need to check it out. The only downside is it seems fairly expensive compared to Arizona. For half the price I could just rent a small house in Sierra Vista. I'm a SighSeelet so it just hurts not dumping as much money into the markets as possible since I know it could be worth multiples within years. Another $10k in rent is like losing out $50k if it were invested. Idk, maybe a bad way to look at it. Once you multiply your life savings with crypto, it'll frick your mind.
Anon, holy shit please tell us what you consider expensive. No one knows what you're talking about with your constant vague posting. If you're paying 2k/mo now you can easily find something, in CO or UT will be a bit of a side grade. That is unless you're still willing to live in the southern remote areas like Peublo CO or Durango. Which really if you're complaining about the lack of things to do in Tuscon, those places are going to bore you to death. I think your best advice was stated earlier where you should do a month to month apartment or long term hotel around and figure out what you want.
Whole Foods is a overpriced uppity grocery store, anon said
that's all he eats. In Omaha, spending nearly 17/day for for that would still be fricking insane. He didn't say sandwhiches, eating out, or the like just fruits and veggies.
500/mo is still a lot for 1 person unless you simply don't know how to self control.
>5 dollar coffee
sorry you're too stupid to buy a 25 dollar coffee maker once and buy 10 dollars worth of coffee to last you a month
>anon said that's all he eats
No he did not say that, only that he does eat them, and chided you for what he assumed are cheap ass food choices. Reading comprehension, I stg.
$125 a week isn't really that insane assuming you visit a restaurant or bar at least once a week and occasionally buy things like steak to cook at home, which aren't really that outlandish as far as expenses.
BTW,
Colorado has this phenomenon where towns that are geographically very close are insanely different culturally. Pueblo and Durango couldn't be more different. Pueblo is a dumpy hispanic town like you'd find near the border, Durango is upper class and waspy with a few rednecks from the farm country around it. Crested Butte is all bougie rich hippies that lecture you but Gunnison is straight up yeehaw. It's a weird state with a lot of cringe people.
>tell us what you consider expensive
Well, I consider my current place expensive. There's not much in Tucson except hiking, which I can do in Sierra Vista and it costs me nearly $2k to live here. I'm seeing home rentals in Sierra Vista for half the price. There's more to do in Phoenix, but I rather just drive up on occasion and avoid the summers there.
>You kinda get what you pay for
yeah, this is exactly what I'm looking for. Somewhere you actually get a good value.
>Colorado Springs
I actually lived there for about a month a couple times and it was awesome. Loved pikes peak, garden of the gods was alright, hiked the top of manitou incline, etc.
How's it compare to Durango for a late 20s guy? My main hobbies are tennis, hiking and music production/DJing.
>I'm still a little baffled though at why its so important to you to live near your parents that you're in the same town but not important enough to where you'd actually move in with them.
I just dread driving, but I love seeing them at least every month. Even every week would be nice, but living with them is too much.
>Your best bet would probably be Colorado Springs since you can train up to Denver for some music events they regularly have
Probably will do this. I'll look into how different it is to Durango. I only mention going back since the homes/apartments are the cheapest I've seen and moving costs/transportation would also be cheap. I also know a good amount of people there.
>I just dread driving, but I love seeing them at least every month. Even every week would be nice,
Frick man I get parents are important but bruh... You're in your late 20's and still doing this. My guy...
thanks, guys, I'll just pull the trigger and move to one of these spots once my lease ends in April. It's perfect timing to get out of the heat anyway. I'll just visit family every other month.
> Durango is much more fun to live in than Sierra Vista
What's particularly fun about Durango? Will go ahead and visit to check out the apartments and such in the next month or two.
The one thing that's great about Tucson is the sunsets. Pic related is from a few days ago.
Not him but my coworker was from that area, it's far more slow paced life outside snow season rushes. He enjoyed it being far enough from cities to be comfy but given what you're asking for it's going to get boring very quickly; especially if you are looking for a varied music scene. It's just a small college valley town.
Hmm might be true. I'll go for a weekend trip to see if it's too small. If I can meet locals around my age to join me on hobbies, I'd probably be fine with just going up CO Springs/Denver every month for things to do.
Sounds pretty great.
Very true. Family is worth its weight in gold, but even if it sucks, I feel it's worth trying to make things better. Or at least make your own, prioritize them, and discover the world, its culture, and its beauties alongside them.
One thing to consider is if you're closer to DIA you can get flights on Frontier very cheaply sometimes, i.e. $40 round trip to Phoenix outside of peak seasons. The only thing that sucks is then getting to Sierra Vista but you can rent a car pretty cheaply at PHX.
Honestly, that's a great idea too, thank you. CO Springs sounds like it makes the most sense. One hour to Denver and cheap flights to Phoenix sure beats the 10 drive to Sierra Vista and 5.5 hour drive from Durango to CO Springs
>What's particularly fun about Durango?
Compared to Sierra Vista:
Much younger population. Much more active population. Arizona is mostly people your parents age outside of Phoenix. Tourist town. College town (albeit a liberal arts college). Ski areas not super well known ones but there are some nearby. It's Colorado. Denver is a few hours away. Area is walkable, you can hike or go fishing right from your house. Big enough to have a few stores. Has a big restaurant and bar scene for a little town. General area around it has amazing scenery, a few 14ers are a short drive away, Moab is only a couple hours away...
Colorado Springs probably has more stuff you're interested in than Durango, which is a lot smaller and everyone sorta knows each other. And yeah it seems cheaper than Denver yet also way less pozzed.
Google says CS is about 2 hours further away than Durango but that's driving through a couple reservations as I mentioned and you can easily get tied up with slow vehicles, construction, livestock operations etc. whereas I-25 to I-10 is all freeway.
Compare apples to apples though. If you were bored in Tucson you are probably going to be bored in Sierra Vista or any of the mountain towns in AZ but Durango is much more fun to live in than Sierra Vista. CS is a better city than Tucson, hands down.
Yes, Colorado tends to be more expensive (and politically more left) than Arizona. You kinda get what you pay for. The desert attracts miscreants of all types and small towns in Arizona tend to be "rough around the edges."
Another option is Colorado Springs, though its further, more of your drive would be on the interstate. Driving through reservations on rural roads in that part of the world is a real pain in the ass and takes forever.
Could also look at NM. It has a bad reputation, which imo, is fitting, but there's some nice areas and you might like it, idk.
Also, if you had bought property in Arizona you would have easily multiplied your money as well. Maybe not as much as a moonshot crypto return but if you purchased pretty much any house in AZ in 2015, one that would have went for $150k at the time goes for 400-500k now so there's that. Same with Colorado, I don't think property in the mountains will ever lose value barring a major disaster there, rich people like living in the mountains.
I'm still a little baffled though at why its so important to you to live near your parents that you're in the same town but not important enough to where you'd actually move in with them.
If you're so good at SighSee why would you even want to rent and essentially throw your money away? Why not buy land and property?
Right now renting is better than buying pretty much across the board from my understanding. Also, highly likely to outperform a real estate investment with even just BTC. I'm sure even diversifying across a few well ran companies would outperform real estate, which would be illiquid gains at that.
Okay now just take that bullshit chart and rip out coastal hellhole cities. Buying is actually pretty good right now assuming you're willing to purchase out of dumbfrick moronic places
Yeah, if you can unlock a fixed low-rate mortgage at negative real rates, then sure, but I don't think it's an option in the market right now.
Anyway, I rather just hop between properties and if I like a location, maybe I'd just buy it in full, without a mortgage, but only after I secure enough money to not work anymore.
>doing a 30 year
>buying a 400k house
opinion disregarded, I bet you lease a car rather than just buy a decent used in full too?
also
>not using a first time home buyer program
got damn some how is that finance degree from SighSee working
>have 80k in savings
>drop 40k on house+closing costs unless state offers buyers assistance
>throw 10-12k to do some quality of life improvements
>have at least 20k saved over for emergencies
>only about 1000 in taxes per year
>25-30 minute drive to downtown Dayton if had to work there
Cheap living is easy in the US
That chart doesn't account for equity. In real life, renting tends to be better when you want to stay unrooted and able to move on short notice with no strings attached, or at worst having to sublet the remainder of your lease. It's possible to move from house to house when buying and selling but closing costs and the burden of having to sell your old house makes it more costly than renting. But if you're settling down for 10+ years it's usually more cost effective to buy, even if you need a mortgage.
No one should buy a house in the USA. It's fricked
Buying a house is much more affordable than most countries
You sorry lot can't live without tipping lol
Irrelevant. Housing is cheaper than the Youkay relative to incomes. The US sucks for other reasons, and houses got dramatically more expensive in the last 4 years. But not as dramatically as they did in Europe.
Believe what you want. Now might not be the best time depending on where you are but the posted chart shouldn't drive your decision.
You have to be filthy rich to live anywhere where the women aren’t all repulsively fat in the US lmao
Moving and finding a cheapish place is very difficult, have to take into account demographics and gender ratio and then when you move they might all turn out to be white trash that alienate you. Maybe cheap college towns but those girls are pretty snooty I imagine with lots of creeping dieversity and low social cohesion.
san francisco
Chicago is the best value in the country when you consider high salaries and big city amenities. "Low cost" cities are usually that way for a reason.
What parts of Chicago?
Philadelphia
Philadelphia has some things going for it, but it’s and old and busted rusty city that is absolutely overflowing with black and black and black on white crime as well as drugs.
For cities, Chicago is the only tier 1 city that qualifies. Pittsburgh is highly underrated imo and State College is a great college town in the middle of Pennsylvania. For cities smaller than Pittsburgh or bigger than Pittsburgh but smaller than Chicago, I don’t really know.
depends on how old you are, your job experience and whether or not you want to go to University.
If you're content on working minimum wage, $16/hour would go far in rural Washington State or somewhere in New York State. Maybe look at Maryland or New Jersey.
If you want to go to University and you're over 25 and poor, you can could establish residency in Maryland by getting a license there and go for free. All you have to do is get the license and then apply for financial aid. Any Maryland community college degree will automatically transfer to a 4 year school. You get priority and you can't be denied entry with a 2 year Community College degree from a Maryland school .
This list has decent cities besides for the usual Midwest or Deep South
>condo
Enjoy paying an HOA of 400-700/mo with a 5-12% increase until you finally run out of money. Condo's are a fricking scam
Almost half of all houses being built are in HOA’s today (and I’m going to guess 80% or more here in FL).
I actually live in Delray Beach as the picture mentions. Most neighborhoods there with SFH’s have HOA’s that cost 300-1200/month. Condos are actually quite similar (mine is $350 month—used to be 250/month when I bought it back in 2015).
Very few houses in DRB have no HOA. But it’s Florida, after all. This state loves HOA’s for some fricking reason.
Didn't a bunch of condos collapse in Miami because the ~~*residents*~~ refused to increase the HOA for 20+ years so the building was dramatically behind on maintenance?
>Almost half of all houses being built are in HOA’s today (and I’m going to guess 80% or more here in FL).
Not even, unless you're downtown most cities will not have HOA's especially in the Great Plains/Midwest states
>Very few houses in DRB have no HOA. But it’s Florida, after all. This state loves HOA’s for some fricking reason.
Because HOA fee's are a great way to deter certain kinds of people. Places do it as a no questions asked barring of minorities.
Many people simply live on the outskirts of cities to avoid said issues. Area above St. Louis is actually nice with a ~20 minute commute if you worked downtown. Sure IL has some shittier real estate tax, but 1k/yr is payable even on NEET bucks. Rockford might be a better option if you want closer to Chicago, but that's a different question.
>But it’s Florida, after all. This state loves HOA’s for some fricking reason.
>Because HOA fee's are a great way to deter certain kinds of people
Yep. In fact in Florida they often go straight-up gated community to keep out the itinerants. Florida starts out with higher-than-usual gated communities because you have ultra-wealthy homes next to mass market beach tourism. That mentality trickles down to the upper-middle and middle-classes who want separation from riff raff, too.
Pool amenities are also fairly common and popular in Florida.
>Portland
Are you moronic?
>moving to Dayton OH
>live a bit outside the main city as to not be bogged down by city BS
>housing easily under 150k, taxes a bit high but house prices are low
>decent paying jobs if remote one becomes a bust
>can flip it down the road
>decent airports+train stations
>all 4 seasons
>40.7% black...
>living downtown
seriously your own fault at that point, fairborn or bust
Live in shithole city Nebraska (Omaha)
>Studio apartment: 300
>food: 500
>car, phone: 100
I save around 75% of my paycheck after taxes. In a few months I will leave to Thailand for 5 years and reset the wagie cycle when I'm older, balder, and even more suicidal.
>>food: 500
How fat are you
I eat fruits and vegetables.
I know that is difficult for American goblinos to comprehend.
How is that 500/mo?
Even the fruits and veggies unless you simply are spending over 10/day for that shit won't be over 300. Are you only shopping at Whole Foods or some moronic place like that?
Fat + moronic.
>You wanna know how we know you're lying
I don't give a shit because I'm not.
What does irritate me is SighSee's obsession with min-maxing food pricing. You aren't special for buying low quality goods in bulk and cutting your food bills down. Wise people buy quality.
I calculated it even at WF prices fruits/veg for one person and it still wasn't $500 give up you've been caught
I'm reading it as $500 for his whole food budget not just fruits and veg.
That's $16.67/day not taking into account alcohol, restaurant meals or $10 sandwiches or $5 coffees which probably isn't the case for anyone anywhere. It isn't a lot but he could probably squeeze it down some planning meals around what kind of meat is on sale at the time or eating healthy cereal for breakfast without going into crazy
food minmaxing and eating garbage pasta and dried noodles every day.
It's so obvious he orders food delivery and eats out a lot, how easily he was caught is embarrassing
You wanna know how we know you're lying and obese? That food dessert "black people don't eat healthy because racist whites made fruits and vegetables too expensive" is a myth you can eat fruits/veg quite cheaply, esp in a place like Omaha. The only reason your food bill would be that high is if you were eating doordash constantly.
>look up weekly ad for Family Fare down in Omaha
>dole salads 2 for 5 12 oz bags
>carrots 1.29lb
>pears 1.79lb
>banana's 89c
>out of season pineapples 5 dollars for the pre-cut versions
>fresh mixed vegetables 9oz 2 for 7
Do non US citizens really try this shitty to larp? I could see 500/mo in CAD because of how worthless the money is there now. You would literally be needing to take in +5 pounds of veggies and fruits per day to gain weight or hit daily calories to do so.
OP echo'ing that no one here really can help you, as you seem to be tied down with your parents being super close for whatever reason. You seem to make a bunch of threads and posts bumping others for whatever random ass city name is thrown your way.
If you're looking to LOWER your cost of living in a cheap, there are tons of options out there. CO/UT won't be that much cheaper but it will go down a bit. Your best bet would probably be Colorado Springs since you can train up to Denver for some music events they regularly have.
However if you're going to come back.. "but muh parents" it's not worth anyone's time to keep responding to you, because where you are is the best you'll get until you decide to grow up. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I wish I loved and was loved by my family enough to be excited to see them often. Must be nice.
If you've got that don't let it go.
>Colorado Springs is low cost of living
I will never understand this board.
Low cost of living is getting a house for around or under 125k, groceries coming in under 350, utilities around 200, beater car market, and cheap outdoors or free local entertainment. The frick you all doing to call Colorado Springs cheap cost of living, it's like speaking to fricking Californians here
Those places are all miserable to live in with fat cows for women, boring obese locals with no hobbies, nothing to do besides watch sportsball and drink, and usually a shitty climate on top of that with months of extreme heat or cold.
Yeah I could live in Green Bay Wisconsin or something for less than $1200 a month but I could also just rope and have the same experience only quicker.
>boring obese locals with no hobbies
I can see with your attitude that's really all you would be attracting. Wichita metro has everything I listed + decent night life and events throughout the season. Also where are you hanging out that attracts so many fatties? Gyms are all over and easily sort out the filth.
>Wichita
Are you serious dude? I don't even like going to Kansas. I can't fathom living there. I have lived in the western US my whole life and I get depressed when I can't see mountains or hills or water in the background. Just seeing flat land stretch out in every direction like you do from buildings in
Chicago, which at least has a lakefront, is melancholic.
And no, there's nothing to do. You can't tell me going to the gym is something to do. I like to exercise outside. Not in a concrete box listening to other dudes grunt.
I like living somewhere there's a variety of people and cuisines and not just whites who eat borgar and fried shit every night and where people put effort into themselves.
The coping and minmaxing people do here with money, living extremely cheaply so they can coom in Thailand once a year is insane. It's depressing to even think about.
Colorado Springs really isn't really a college town. Yeah the Air Force Academy is there but that probably has a male/female ratio of 5:1 so its not gonna be a happening party spot. There's also a small state college but that doesn't really count.
Real estate lets you build wealth with other people's money. The bank is effectively paying me to live in my house, interest at less than what savings accounts pay. That's an anomaly for sure and I don't think you shouldn't invest in crypto but RE is really a no brainer and is why boomers have all the money now. Yeah its not a good time to buy though.
Actually, Colorado Springs has more women than men. 3 of the 10 largest Universities in Colorado are all in Colorado Springs. A lot of 20 and 30 somethings live there. It would be a great town for a 20 year old to go to college.
But you're right about Wichita Kansas. It's a 9 hour drive minimum to anything worth doing. I wouldn't live there if you gave me a house. No mountains, no beach for 600+ miles , no national parks. There's not even a pro sports team for 3 hours in any direction. The closest major city is Oklahoma City, which is one of the worst cities in the US for violent crime. And Wichita is a terrible airport to do any traveling out of. You'd pay almost double for an international flight and you've have to stop twice with long fricking layovers.
What are you on about? I work in a Colorado mountain town, and seeing 14000' peaks all day while working has no effect on mood. It's true that western Kansas is a bleak wasteland, but parts of eastern Kansas have lakes, forests, rolling hills, and quite pretty scenery. The area around Lawrence, for instance. Lawrence even has a river trail. Don't shit on a state if you don't know shit about it.
This as someone who lives at the base of some mountain ranges
>WOW SO PRETTY
>3 months later
>eh wish the sun would go behind that fricking peak already
Sure they can give some good views from time to time but after a year you don't even really think about it aside from the one or two times a year the weather is jjjjjjust right and you get a very good view. Most people think they want the rockies till they forget it doesn't affect part of their daily lives outside tourists coming to clog up your city to see them
You wouldn't be happy no matter where you lived though. You'd say the say thing if you lived on the beach in Maui.
Sounds like someone really pulled this guy's card. He had you pegged! lol
>And no, there's nothing to do. You can't tell me going to the gym is something to do. I like to exercise outside. Not in a concrete box listening to other dudes grunt.
Ask me how I know you don't work out, but you think you're fit because "I do more than most".
>I like living somewhere there's a variety of people and cuisines and not just whites who eat borgar and fried shit every night and where people put effort into themselves.
And you're looking at Colorado? No one fricking tell him. I won't say Wichita is the most diverse place out there but you would be absolutely amazed at how many different kinds of things end up there. Colorado Springs/Denver/etc are usually the reason some interesting people actively move out, because they can tell when shit is slipping. The people like yourself who move to these places and use the excuses you have in this thread are often the most shallow creatures of habit out there.
I can tell you how it's going to go no matter where you live
>move there
>wow this is fricking great
>2 months later
>welp back to the 4chins, wish my mom would be wowed at the stories I feed her
>The coping and minmaxing people do here with money, living extremely cheaply so they can coom in Thailand once a year is insane. It's depressing to even think about.
>he bank is effectively paying me to live in my house, interest at less than what savings accounts pay
This makes me laugh because most people are moving to places like that so they can snatch up a good house for cheap, touch it up and have an investment when the bubble pops. There is basically nothing wrong with getting something cheap, potentially leasing it out for passive income if you wanted and fly around the planet. if and when shit hits the fan you have either income to fall back on or a place to move back into on savings for a bit or an investment you might be able to flip for a profit.
"Low cost of living" is subjective. If you're making minimum wage, it depends on the state. Do you want to rent or own a place? Are you splitting costs with a roommate or spouse?
I'm not the same guy who posted Colorado Springs, but I looked it up just now and I see nice apartments for $850/month. If you're splitting that with a girlfriend, that's easily affordable even on minimum wage. Colorado has very cheap gas, cheaper than average groceries, and a pretty low 4 percent state tax rate. If you plan on renting and not buying, it's cheap. Buying a home there is where you run into the high prices.
You do you, for me living in an area 250-500k pop with housing being $125-150k and saving my 95k/yr salary is more appealing. Just gives me more money to take trips abroad, I mean this is a travel board after all not a "help me as a grown adult finally stop being a mama's boy". Different strokes for different folks but straight up owning a home I can fall back into if shit hits the fan and lease a room out to a friend is more ideal.
It depends on your age and where you're at in life. If you wanted to go to college, Colorado Springs has university housing with a 2 bedroom for 600/month. You could get a 2 year degree and live in an awesome area for next to nothing.
Or you could live in the middle of Kansas and work 8 hours a day doing some terrible job like construction just to horde money so you could take a 5 day vacation once a year.
>he doesn't know about the tech sector in Wichita
This is why I love this board it goes to show how many morons who live off mom and dad trust fund are posting.
>If you wanted to go to college, Colorado Springs has university housing with a 2 bedroom for 600/month
Yeah man nothing like working a Customer Service job for 17-20/hr in a high cost of living college town being mid 20's and totally "not being that creepy guy" hitting on the ladies.
College towns are good for college folks and those who grew up near the area. To everyone else you look like picrel
Colorado gas prices go all over the place. It's usually among the nation's cheapest in the winter, and among the most expensive in the summer.
Groceries are taxed around 5% in much of the state, but not in Colorado Springs city limits.
How about five months' vacation? Nothing terrible about hard work, you little pussy.
None. The best small towns are expensive college towns or ski resorts or similar. Otherwise it's meth, wiggers, and no jobs paying more than $50k.
If you are thinking big city Chicago is surprisingly affordable as it stretches out for a long way in many directions. It’s not cheap but it’s livable unlike LA or the East Coast.
Rockford is actually pretty decent if you have the cash to just buy a house right now in. The real estate tax is a bit annoying though the low housing cost out there will offset it.
Is Chicago actually cheap in places with low crime rate or is the average price simply being dragged down by high crime rate neighborhoods?
I'm not from Chicago but its my impression that is is. It's in the midwest which is low status despite not being very different from living in like NJ or Long Island. Restaurant meals and alcohol are significantly cheaper than in NY or California. And housing is cheap because its supposed to have the worst weather of any major city in the US.
Flyover tears
there is no 'best low cost of living city' in the US, its either/or. if you want a decent to better city then you're looking at high costs of living. if you want low cost of living go to Indiana or usual midwest cities as others have mentioned.
Are you only able to just decide to a low COL area if you have a remote job or something universal like a doctor? My job is so uncommon there are only 50 or so cities I can find it in at any one time.
Quartzsite, Arizona. There are many campgrounds, and you can live in your RV with full hookups for cheaper than almost anywhere else in America.
Quartzite is fricking expensive dude what are you on?
>Decent jobs/girls
>low COL
>no nigs
Pick 2
>work remote
>can have all 3
Everyone I know that works remote is extremely isolated. Redditors go on about not wanting to be forced to socialize with coworkers, so instead they sit inside their cuck shed alone. I honestly have a lot of acquaintances from work that I do things with outside of work. But I never would have met them if I stared at a screen in silence all day everyday like a loser sperg.
Yeah, remote work has been pretty terrible for me. It has pros and cons, but extreme isolation and declining mental and physical health is definitely one of the cons.
Sorry not sorry for coming on so strong with it. I hope you find something else or find a way to switch it up. It might seem uncomfortable to pack it up and start again, but it's better than spending forever going downhill.
I don't know these feels
being isolated from my coworkers sounds pretty okay and the desire to improve my training (no commute stress, no commute time, fewer meals out, basically how I already live on weekends but extended to the work week) is a big part of the appeal
Like I said, there are pros and cons. I didn’t particularly like my coworkers so it’s been nice to not have to be around them all the time, but that is something of a natural aspect of life whereas being totally socially isolated 24/7 is not natural and it wreaks havoc on your mental health.
The key is to get a routine where you still get active and get out of the house and have some social interaction via a club or whatever, but when you live in an exurb thay is 50% Mexican like I do, that is pretty much impossible. I spend all day everyday at home and basically never leave. I could go weeks without talking to another person. If sounds nice until that’s been your life for years.
>I could go weeks without talking to another person. If sounds nice until that’s been your life for years.
kek I guess I just haven't gotten that far yet
>a routine where you still get active and get out of the house and have some social interaction
well, I got two out of three on lock
Idk how you haven’t gotten that far. When you work remotely, you’re stuck by the computer even when you’re not working. So I’m home, by myself, until 5 pm at the earliest. And then what? I mean, if you have a girl or friends nearby you can go socialize with them, but I don’t so it’s just me alone in my apartment 24/7.
well, I haven't been doing it for long enough that the isolation has become a problem, or at least more of a problem than it was when I was working in person. and wanted nothing to do with my coworkers off the job. meanwhile I have way more time and energy to run, ride, and lift, and the logistics of cooking my own meals are a lot easier to handle. Working from home made me go from hating white collar to kinda liking it. Takes all types I guess.
I get what you mean actually. I did go through that phase. I would’ve sounded exactly like you 2 years ago. I guess I’m just past it where all the bad aspects are as obvious as the good. I don’t know what to do actually because I don’t want to go to the office but I can’t keep living this way.
Oh well, that’s neither here nor there…
Remote worker here. I feel like I’m in a mental cage
I'm full time remote but have a wife and two kids, neighborhood friends and nearby relatives, so don't feel isolated at all. But I worked on campus until I was 37.
I'll take decent jobs / girls and deals with the nigs. What cities?
Tampa Florida
Which American city is the best for a 25 year old white man who is exclusively into white women?
depends on your budget. Do they have to be skinny?
i make $88/year
>Do they have to be skinny
yes
Boston or Nashville
Maybe Pittsburgh as well. It’s not that white, but it’s pretty white and it’s VERY segregated.
>Maybe Pittsburgh as well. It’s not that white, but it’s pretty white and it’s VERY segregated.
This can be said for most all American cities that aren't coastal hell holes where they have to section 8 parts of it for "fairness".
>mention going to somewhere on SighSee
>anon does a demographic breakdown
>over 10% black
>UHHHH ANON?!??!
>anons can literally not compute that most of the % of all blacks in a city often reside in one or two clearly black spots in the area that you KNOW they are just by a google maps search where no grocery store is for miles
>post city almost completely white
You're basically not going to get answers here because it's filled with 3 kinds of people being:
1) People who still live with mom and day where their eyes of the US are through pol meme's
2) Euro's who've maybe visited at best a mega city or two, most likely only heard about what the US is like from a person like #1 in discord
3) People who point something out SighSee chimps out and goes apeshit over the fact "no womenz, all fatties lmao, flyover hick town, enjoy nothing".
The last one would be the few anons who've seen between the coasts of the US and know 99% of cities with a pop of +250k will have pretty much everything anons would want back home. American cities are surprisingly full of all kinds of things from food, to nightlife, to hobbies, and jobs. Most anon's here if that unless they moved to Mobile AL or Brownsville TX wouldn't notice much of a difference outside the weather is different and cost of living. SighSee is heavily full of introverts and outside of going to the grocery store and some chain food place; probably wouldn't care other than now they have bills that mom and dad don't pay.
You're not wrong but I can say I live in a 200k+ city and it's very very spread out, and the average age is quite old. Maybe I just have high standard but I don't like this city as much as a smaller college town. For obvious reasons.
post city-data
>Lives in a retirement state
>Complains about age
Bruh
I am not complaining. I'm here making a plan to move. i don't live here by choice (taking care of family) but I will move away by my choice.
Imagine being born here, it's fricking miserable, 18-24s are 4% of my county
But we weren’t talking about flyovers with a single industry economy.
Single industry is Americans obsessing about women being BBC football and shit beer.
>The last one would be the few anons who've seen between the coasts of the US and know 99% of cities with a pop of +250k will have pretty much everything anons would want back home. American cities are surprisingly full of all kinds of things from food, to nightlife, to hobbies, and jobs. M
When I was in my 20s (back in the 2000s) the overwhelming problem was "number of single people with an IQ within one standard deviation of my own." Having "nightlife" doesn't mean shit when you can't connect to anyone. What does "hobbies" even mean in this context? Sure if all you're looking for are amenities and "things to do" one city is as good as any other but if you're young single and trying to build a life it's highly advantageous to go where like-minded young singles are. In my case, I moved to Boston and it was like night and day. Suddenly my friend network expanded dramatically and I had to throttle back dating because I just didn't have enough time to fit it all in. Vs flyover city where it took months just to get one date only to have the girl tell me that she's already pregnant btw.
Yeah. I wish I knew this when I was 20. I stayed in my college town through my entire 20s. I still feel a bit like I just took myself out of the running for some sort of life or something by not heading to the city.
> Having "nightlife" doesn't mean shit when you can't connect to anyone
Skill issue
>What does "hobbies" even mean in this context?
autist issue
>flyover city where it took months just to get one date only to have the girl tell me that she's already pregnant btw.
How fat are you?
Why bother making such a pointless, vapid post? Nothing I wrote should have made you this angry.
America is fricked why would you buy a house in it? Only gay dumb normies do that and boomers. Anything below like 1 million dollars is a African hut or something. Can't find the SighSee screen caps of then
>Yeah don't live in the US bro.
>Don't buy a house.
>Just be a digital nomad bro.
>You could live in Patttaya for $500 USD.
>Just live in an Airbnb in Thailand bro.
>Why would you own property or start a family.
>Just frick bargirls bro.
>Do a visa run to Cambodia every 3 weeks.
>Just trust me bro it's not sketchy at all.
>Own nothing.
I live in London but from South Africa you all love BBC and can not stop sucking. Your women would love me but I do not frick thing that is not halal. White boi board found out
All that matters is more money saved and more free time as you age, and add in a discography of cool shit you've made for good measure
I fly to America recently and it full of fat women and black men. Los Angeles was ruined and so was my holiday due to unsafe than south Suffolk I just moved to it 5 year ago and still white people can not stop worship of foreigners or being fat. Whites are ugly pig not even safe in meat.
This is the US we’re talking about. If it has even remotely frickable women, you can’t afford it.
This women in the US are all fat cows who won't give you the time of day even if they are fat fricks. You always get mogged by chad's and kens or BUBBA BROWN going after their shit. The US is a waste of time, before I head to Philippines, Japan, and Vietnam for 1 year I went to a bar just to remind myself what I was missing. I went out to small pub that also has board games on a friday night, NOTHING BUT FRICKING OLD BOOMERS AND KARENS IN THEIR 30'S SITTING AROUND YAPPING.
Fricking made me sick I couldn't hear myself and constantly got shoved over by morons to make room. I am so fricking sick of this country I am glad I went though, not for the reason you think. But because it gives me confirmation on me making the right decision. I just have a gut feeling I will find a wife, even if she is asian she's the better kind who has traditional values in mind. I'd be willing to take an honorary white (asian) wife who respects someone who made capital in their life over someone who blew their money on a sports car and shoes. GET FRICKED.
weeb
I prefer white women
I’ve noticed also that public life is dominated by boomers throughout the entire country save for a handful of youngish cities like Austin and New York. Everywhere you go, everyone is over 40 and on their second or third divorce living it up like they’re 20. Life was really a non-stop party for boomers and a lot of Gen x too.
>Life was really a non-stop party for a lot of Gen x too.
feels pretty good man
Well yea bars are boomer central what did you expect?
I'd prefer to spend my time with them than you
This is what happens to your mind when you fall for every meme on SighSee.
>women in the US are all fat cows
Where the hell in the US do you even live?
One thing to keep in mind about SighSee is most have never been in much of the US. You might find some here who "drove through the USA" on a cannon ball run style adventure, but all these people did was pull over to TGI Fridays and see fat b***hes there for some alabama blacksnake. I doubt most anons here would know how to socialize IRL if it's not at a bar where they can guzzle down liquid pride to attempt a convo. Like don't ya'll homies have hobbies? Most anon's here probably have never left their state outside if forced to for family matters or when they were young. Hell the amount of West Coast and New England morons I met in SEA who couldn't count the last time they left their state was mind boggling. It was almost as bad as realizing how few actual have driven a car in the past 3-5 years let alone owned one.
People on SighSee don't realize that when they go to other countries the reason they draw eyes to them, specifically in asia, is because whiteu piggu = piggu bank. So anything in the US is instant shit because they went to some boomer bar sitting alone and got mad no one started up a convo with them.
I liked Greenville South Carolina. Are there any towns between Greenville and Charleston that are white, low crime, cheap rent, but still close to shit to do? Anyone ever been to Summerville South Carolina? Looks pretty rad. I see rooms for rent for like $600 and apartments for 850. I'd much rather live near the coast than some middle of nowhere truck-stop of a city like Wichita Kansas or Toledo Ohio.
If you want to do the REAL USA right and on the cheap, get a job as a bartender in some flyover state (you'll need bartending skills). Rent a trailer in the best trailer park in wherever the frick - try to get the best one you can and walking distance to the bar. It's going to be fricked up but it's going to be REAL. Buy a 80s muscle car and bring girls back from the bar to your trailer. Bang the frick out of all the girls in the park. Get down into the mud and wallow in it. Don't do drugs but have them on the DL in your trailer, so if you're not a Chad you bring the girls back by telling them you have coke or meth weed whatever. Do that for as long as you can stand it. Then go home to your comfy life wherever you're from.
Reno seems alright to me
Reno prices have skyrocketed the last few years. They go up like 6 percent a year. The median price is over $600,000 now.
Strangely, you can still buy cheap land in California near Yosemite for less than 8k per acre if you want to build a place. I'd love to put a prefab cabin on some land up there.
>Strangely
I suspect a lot of it is either standing black sticks or radioactive to insurers due to a high likelihood of becoming standing black sticks. Quite easy to find cheap acreage on the Feather River, for those reasons.
It's because the land has 0 utility hookups around the area the fee's are getting the license to build on the land and approval for developing the land. Buying some of those acres out there can only be used as maybe parking your RV on.
As someone who’s lived across most of the US, I’d you want cheap cities with some life in them I’d look at Chicago or Austin. I’d recommend stop being cheap/poor so you can pick other cities as well. Avoid the Midwest and south completely.
>I’d look at Chicago or Austin
Chicago is ridden with poverty, looting, and gang violence. Austin will look like another Californian city in about 5 to 10 years.
>What's the best low cost of living town or city in the USA?
I’ve moved around a lot within the US, and have lived both in relatively affordable and extremely expensive places.
Of the places I’ve spent extensive time, I would say that I got the best lifestyle returns on comparatively modest investments in Durham, North Carolina and Chicago (which remains IMO the cheapest full-service undeniably-major city in the US; rents aren’t much more than half what they would be in San Francisco or New York). I also really liked Madison, Wisconsin, which is fairly cheap compared to real cities but is comparatively expensive for its region.
But these aren’t the lowest-cost places in the country, just the lowest-cost places that had enough of the stuff I personally appreciate in a place to live.
The problem with most *really* cheap places is that you either need to bring a paycheck from somewhere richer with you, or settle for what you can earn in a smaller, poorer local economy. You also need to be OK with whatever lifestyle amenities are available on a local market that is almost without question going to be smaller and poorer than those in more expensive areas. If you get paid a lot remotely, and don’t mind doing most of your shopping online/don’t care about not having many good local restaurant/grocery/entertainment options, I think all sorts of middle-of-nowhere cheap areas could be totally comfortable.
But there’s only so much I am personally willing to settle for, so I am OK spending a bit more, and the places I mention above are sort of the minimum for me.
I know these places aren’t inexpensive, but this board has a WMAF and yellow fever fetish, so I thought why not create a list of US counties where Asians are the majority:
>All of Hawaii
>Santa Clara, CA
>Alameda, CA
>Queens, NY will be majority Asian by the end of the decade.
They’re going to take over San Francisco and Orange County soon enough…
And San Mateo
LA County too. They’ve already taken over the San Gabriel Valley.
Bergen County NJ has a frickton of Koreans
why would any asian want to move to the crumbling state of california, or america for that matter?
A lot of Chinese wanted to escape the CCP after the revolution. Taiwan and South Korea were under a dictatorship until the late 1980’s. A frickton of Vietnamese refugees after the war. Philippines are just poor. Most Japanese-American families came here before WW2.
California/Hawaii was the closet places. They have the oldest Asian communities in America so they just gravitated towards there.
I understand 20+ years ago but why now
Most of what he said still applies. Yeah I know Asia is more exciting in many ways but there are still crowds of poor people there.
California has a shit ton to offer lol, I hate the state personally but I understand it isn't all /misc/ all the time.
It also wasn't significantly more leftist than the rest of the US 25 or 30 years ago like it is now.